As research on Viking history progresses, it has become clear that there were warrior bands and female Viking heroes who commonly went on raids with their wives.

I thought that Mr. Yukimura seemed to be having a tough time.

Is it about to end or has it already ended?

I want you to draw the if route chapter as if the Vinland chapter didn’t exist.

The reasoning behind the thread image suggests that it will end if a plunderer comes from outside the community, but I wonder if they are thinking about that…

>>8

I said that I wouldn’t fight as long as there’s a place to run to, but I wonder how it is now.

>>12

The way of the Askeladd’s band of warriors, where Thorfinn was, involved tactics like nighttime ambushes that did not even permit retreat.

It’s impossible to just run away; when we think of our former selves.

It’s so thrilling to see a girl who gets excited by the ruthless actions of someone who doesn’t fear even God, despite having their family murdered!

Is that so… It might be…

That’s why it perished.

So that’s the end of this story.

The one saying this is the woman who almost got killed by Shigu…

I was observing extreme people on Twitter, Hatsugen Komachi, and Chiebukuro for a while, and it was quite interesting.

I can’t really tell if it’s a woman or not, but…

If anything, Leif’s half-sister Freydis is the most wicked.

In the second panel, it seems that the main purpose of the aggressive and contemptuous rebuttal is less about changing the opponent’s opinion and more about mocking them, which makes it look like someone who enjoys conflict and has a rather high artistic value.

If peace were to continue steadily, we might see things like this, but it’s still not that time yet.

Women don’t fight.

Vinland Saga is often said to be based on the Saga of Erik the Red.

The Skalholtsbok manuscript, which is the source for that, reportedly does not mention Christianity much and lacks entertainment elements.

There are probably very few Japanese researchers who understand Old Norse, so even if they wanted to faithfully adapt it into a manga, they wouldn’t be able to understand it.

When it comes to women and Vikings, I researched the graves of Viking warriors.

I think there was something about a woman in armor being buried among them.

>>24

Teacher Yukimura is the kind of guy who depicts women as “this is how they are!” with a misogynistic attitude! You…

>>24

Even in wildlife, there are many individuals that are meant to fight against threats, but they often don’t have much work to do in their everyday lives.

Or perhaps an old fool who can no longer be of use to the pack is taking on the role of a shield…

>>33

To put it extreme, ants are divided into workers and fighters.

>>24

Are you saying that women have no imagination and can only see the current state of their surroundings?

I think so!!

I hate to say it, but I’m gathering a bunch of dreamers and heading off on an exodus, so yeah.

It’s an honor to fight and win! If you grow up in a culture like that, it’s certainly more appreciated when women go along with that spirit.

Well, I think that under a traditional society, there wouldn’t be such a difference in thinking between men and women.

There were probably many mothers in Japan who thought it was honorable for their own children to go to war.

Those who say things like “you don’t have to do it” only seem like they’re escaping reality.

I heard that in Russia, a little east of the center, women were tough, so they worked hard to establish patriarchy.

Don’t connect the depiction of original characters to the real-life misogyny of women!

…because it is a difficult story in terms of the nature of the anonymous and its subject matter…

If the guy gets attacked and doesn’t fight back, it’s the worst, you know?

It’s fine not to fight.

So, what are you going to do if a bear rolls into the village and starts devouring the children?

>>38

It’s assuming that Hild will somehow manage, but it’s too sweet…

>>38

In the past, it was almost unheard of for bears’ habitats to be threatened by humans, so bears rarely took the risk of wandering into human villages.

That being said, it’s quite common to be attacked from elsewhere, so it’s necessary to have preparations for situations like that.

If everyone were as strong as Thorfinn, it would be a different story, but that’s not the case…

>>44

I think it depends on how far back in the past you are referring to.

The maintenance of the mountains for mowing and thinning was regularly conducted up to a certain distance from the village.

Are you taking things like that into consideration?

>>38

C-Cops! Or call a man!!

>>42

It’s no wonder that my strong boyfriend, who protects only me, is loved.

>>38

We’re talking about wanting a spear or something for beast defense, just in case.

But since a sword is a weapon for fighting people, we don’t need it, let’s just throw it away.

>>38

Pest control is not a battle.

By designating the opposing party as pests, it can be made to seem like it is not a war.

Even if I run away, it’s not like I have anywhere to go.

That being said, it’s a world where you can’t survive if you don’t fight, and fundamentally, it’s already checkmate.

Humanity likes wars that they can win.

If all immigrants had been legendary super-Danes awakened by intense sorrow while possessing a peaceful anti-war spirit, they could have gone.

When we went to explore the New World without weapons, we were completely wiped out.

It only has developments that are too much like “Yeah.”

I wish it could have had a better resolution as a work, at least a little more.

Thorfinn’s ideal of escaping to avoid fighting is based on the premise that he can only carry a certain amount of important things, and the thought that war doesn’t matter emerges only if one is unconditionally protected.

I don’t want to deny the way of Azunail Village, but overall, ideals are leading and it’s not grounded in reality.

Only Hild, Gyro, and Stork have a solid sense of balance in that area.

Too few for the number of people.

It’s tough to depict historical subjects for a long time.

It seems that in ancient societies, the distinction between men and women in daily life was less pronounced.

In hunting life, women regularly went hunting together with men.

It was popular for a time in the big historical dramas.

I don’t like fighting; it’s like being a woman.

There probably isn’t time to think about things like gender differences.

Those who can will throw everything in.

If there is no conflict among the companions, we can’t create a story…

In a world where you must fight to survive, it’s absurd to think that only men are waging war! There’s no way someone with that kind of mindset can survive.

Do you not understand that in the long history of human existence, it has only been the last ten years that people have been attacked by bears?

>>61

It seems like there has only been about 10 years of history.

>>58

It is said that bears have been actively coming to attack fields since ancient times…

I see, it’s about time for the bears to wake up from hibernation…

If it’s a short story, then it’s fine to just say, “The idiots did something stupid and died.”

The ending of the manga I have been chasing for 20 years is just too bleak.

I want something… at least I want it to feel a little better.

Bears also access the bulletin board, huh?

Speaking of which, during its serialization, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla had a lot of female Vikings, and in fact, the protagonist’s gender was also female in the main route.

>>67

Isn’t it the kind of thing that complicates the conversation if you take it as a reference?

Well, it’s true that since figures like Alvida actually existed, female Vikings aren’t that rare of a presence.

>>79

So it was Vikings, not pirates.

Bears symbolize “external enemies” or something like that.

I think the “bear” mentioned here can be an Indian, leopard, or jackal too.

Everyone is so absorbed in the bear story, and it’s like, “What happened to everyone…?!”

A rare individual like a historical revisionism bear.

>>70

I think the bear is probably smarter than all the nameless ones.

Because foolish men are at the top, conflicts will never cease.

If women take the lead, a world without war will surely come.

As expected, the Kumamoto method of thoroughly annihilating the wicked enemy without a trace until the very last one is the safest…

Isn’t Thorfinn really stupid?

>>73

You were dumb from the start, weren’t you?

Temperament and personality depend on the individual.

Indeed, blood relations, culture, and gender matter.

I’m stupid, but I couldn’t help but dream and seek after it, so it can’t be helped.

It’s nice that all the members of the Thorfinn family, the culprits, are guaranteed to survive.

What kind of chivalry is this, you’re joking around!

Thorfinn has been an idiot since he was a child, hasn’t he?

I’m forgiving you because you’re properly depicting failure with this.

Why do you say that…?

It’s like, yeah, it’s kind of understandable that men like war…

When it’s said that women dislike war… it makes me go “huh?”

I wonder what this sense of discomfort is.

>>83

Women are basically kind, and it’s the result of men imposing their values on women that drives such behavior.

That’s the argument of modern feminists.

But right now, you’re feeling good by starting a verbal battle with the guys, aren’t you?

If there are economic ties, wars won’t happen, but just recently a neighboring country broke that notion.

Thorfinn is an idiot, so he ran headlong from one extreme to another, and since he doesn’t realize that others aren’t as strong as he is, there’s nothing that can be done.

>>86

It feels more like jumping to the opposite side, saying that being violent is unacceptable, rather than reflecting on the past.

Therefore, I cannot recall the necessity of arms that should arise from my past experiences as someone who was active on the side of the attackers.

>>119

What Thorfinn is saying is essentially just a denial of his past self.

I’m revering the true warrior philosophy that my father speaks of, but isn’t it because of that that he died?

Vinland is said to be in Canada, but it definitely doesn’t have a very macho impression.

Because even now and in the past, I berate weak men endlessly.

Well, Thorfinn has a crazy past, so I can understand him as a madman, even if he goes insane, he can only say “Yeah.”

I’ve actually been feeling for a while that this guy is pretty bad, so the story makes sense.

The problem is that the route connected to that channel led people, incited by a mad religious leader, to take suicidal actions, and as expected, they died.

It seems to lead to a subtle ending that feels like a story like that…

But women are not conscripted unless they volunteer…

Many women probably enjoy messing things up with their rivals who are in conflict and opposing each other.

I just want someone to carry my costs and risks.

>>93

I’m doing it right now on this page.

But, you know… if we actually abandoned weapons and the military, wouldn’t we have peace?

>>94

Alright, let’s throw it away together on the count of three!

>>95

It’s not that kind of story! The enemy attacks because there are weapons and soldiers, but where there is none, they don’t attack, so wars don’t occur!

>>94

It will just become a world where people fight with clubs and similar things.

>>94

If I kill you now, I can take everything since you’re empty-handed.

>>94

I think it would be easier to invade, so that country would disappear and peace would be achieved.

>>94

The problem is that even if we abandon ourselves, it won’t change anything.

>>94

Even if you do that, just like what the arms dealer brother from Jörmungandr said

I think it’s just about fighting with a stick.

>>103

It’s the era of bare hands…!

>>94

The fourth time, it’s predicted by clever people that we’ll fight with stones and sticks…

Ready, set, go!

>>96

Bang! Thud…

It is the fault of Thor who suddenly awakened to a modern sense of ethics when looking back.

A thread where public safety suddenly starts to deteriorate.

It’s based on historical facts, so there’s no need to get so upset about it.

If we think of it as a group mainly composed of those who, like Thorfinn, have lost their place in Iceland.

One might think that those who want to avoid conflict naturally gathered together…

Since the part with the gorilla woman came out, the pressure to impose values has been intense, and I haven’t read it since… What’s it like now?

>>108

It feels like a bad ending when it reaches its peak and can’t be helped anymore.

The fact that the war-loving Torkel’s rule prevents disputes is even worse.

No, we’ll both hide things and watch each other’s expressions while looking for an opening.

Receive the benefits gained from war firmly.

You’ve probably done it many times before, gradually reducing the weapons all at once.

A work that comes to mind where women were also promoting war is “Barefoot Gen.”

The imposition of values is fairly strong, but…

There’s a part of me that can accept it because it’s a story about them failing.

Both men and women want to kill their enemies.

>>121

And now the thread image has come to a place where there are no enemies, so it is targeting the man as the enemy.

Does that mean the woman is generally Freizaard?

>>122

Unlike Freiza, you don’t put your own money on the line when gambling.

>>128

It means that Fraizard is better.

I made a huge mistake after drawing this, so it’s fine here.

Thorfinn can escape if it comes to that, but normally it’s not that easy.

Thorfinn should reflect on how many times he has defeated his opponents with his bare hands after becoming a pacifist… it shouldn’t just be once or twice.

Well, it’s just fiction after all.

It’s a speaker to express the author’s thoughts.

>>131

They say it’s a failure, but it feels like it’s partly because of those stupid men who love war, which makes it hard to fully believe that.

>>133

What you think is up to you, so I won’t stop you.

It’s not that simple.

>>137

Well, it’s not simple, so I’m simplifying it with spirituality.

In the end, it’s a story that only physical monsters can survive…

It’s pitiful that Einar mistakenly thinks he can do it just by looking at Thorfinn.

Disputes are based on the premise that conflicts will arise easily, even without any particular reason, such as internal squabbles.

We can only strive to be rational at all times…

Although it has been said many times, Thorfinn hasn’t lost anything at all yet.

I won’t realize how naive I was until my wife and children die.

In the end, it’s an ideal that cannot be realized even in modern times, so the question of how to bring it to fruition has always existed.

After all, it’s the men’s fault, isn’t it…?

Women are wise.

It is leading us to a dangerous confrontation axis.

>>140

Woman vs. Freiza… ?

But they say it was because of failure… yet until the end, Thorfin made the women say that he wasn’t at fault.

The three brothers who seem a hassle to convince are all killed off, and at the same time, they’re trying to drive away the troublesome Indian side as well.

I’m not really sure if this will be portrayed as a proper failure in the unfolding events.

>>141

No matter how you look at it, it’s a failure brought about by Thorfinn’s naivety, so I want him to properly face the consequences, but we’ll see how it goes…

Honestly, I think it would have been better if it had ended at the farm arc.

Thorfinn can just go back to his hometown if things get too bad.

It’s impressive to have drawn this and then depict the natives killing a pregnant woman.

Liberal thought is something that should be practiced in the safe haven under the protection of the stable prosperity of developed countries, not in a tumultuous world like this.

Even though it’s been consistently pointed out in the work itself, the fact that they deny even the use of force, which is a compromise within a realistic range, makes it absolutely impossible.

In the countryside, cultivating my own fields and protecting my family was what it meant to be a true warrior…!

Regardless of the conflict between men and women, I want Thorfinn to properly experience despair.

It wouldn’t be much of a loss if Einarl died.

But isn’t it true that men are harmful and the cause of war?

If there are no aggressive men on either side, then war won’t happen.

I can’t see the landing point, or rather…

The visible landing point is whether you think it’s interesting to do that as it is, so I can’t see how you’re planning to avoid it.

Women also participate in war.

At the moment one participates in war, which is an extremely masculine act, the existence of women is not taken into consideration.

The story that was simply told was that war was depicted without a woman’s face.

That true warrior has been raided by Vikings repeatedly since the beginning, and here we are now…

>>154

You’re idealizing true warriors too much…

It is ironic that the one who does not wish for that to happen, Torukeru, is closest to true peace.

Yukimura is looking down on women.

The readers are mocking Yukimura.

That’s good enough, isn’t it?

>>155

I wonder where this kind of incomprehensible ideology comes from.

>>161

That’s ignorance, isn’t it?

Gyoro has some kind of gimmick in Thorfinn…

I thought that, but it seems like we’re going to withdraw just like this…

Women who go to war are honorary men.

It really bothers me that these guys were able to live and escape thanks to the fortress built by men.

In the first place, it’s natural that Thorfinn holds a minority viewpoint differing from the majority in the main story, as he is an heretic outside the universal Nordic thought, and Guszlis is also his sympathizer.

>>159

I think the problem is that it depicts it as a conflict between men and women.

>>159

It’s being criticized because it’s portrayed not as a minority viewpoint but as if it’s a universal value for women; I wonder if they haven’t read it.

In an actual war, since I don’t go to the battlefield, the template is to cheer for war and then play the victim after the war ends, blaming men for the suffering.

>>160

Don’t start talking about the total war system of nations after the 20th century because it will get complicated…

>>168

I want the women with the mindset of total war resilience in the story to say that.

It was mentioned in the previous thread, but Thorfinn relying on Gyorō for the translation is not good.

If you don’t remember, it won’t work, so it became “Yeah x1.”

People who can’t properly read manga just want to bash the creator and the woman.

Both Albildar and Helvoll are going as Vikings in male disguises, not as women.

If everyone were Thorfinn, we could start over as many times as we wanted.

>>167

The premise was so bizarre that I couldn’t help but laugh.

>>170

Well, that’s really the kind of story it is…

If it’s Thorfinn, he could probably subdue any opponent without hurting them and with his bare hands.

>>170

As long as we can’t stop the enemy from wielding weapons, we can’t manage to achieve a no-weapon challenge without having that kind of premise.

>>167

No, it would be more peaceful for all of humanity to become Cordelia.

Naturally, in the Viking world, it’s obvious that men who were strong and could bring back a lot of plunder were popular.

Men with high social status are the most desirable in any world.

When you talk about how Torkel is right, it leads to the notion that true peace is achieved through overwhelming violence and dictatorship.

Is that alright?

>>171

The conclusion that mutual nuclear deterrence is the best option in modern times is, to put it mildly, not very interesting.

>>171

Isn’t that okay for the answer of a true warrior?

No matter how far you go, a warrior is still a warrior.

Whether it is right or wrong, what brings peace is the king of the older brother and the introvert.

Rich in flavor

To deny violence, you must have the power to surpass it.

Even if you call my values unconventional, considering the era and the surrounding circumstances, it’s a bit too unnatural for me to have such a way of thinking.

In the end, stopping the revenge on Thorfinn also relies on supernatural phenomena.

To maintain Thorfinn’s ideals, it was first necessary for him to possess the military power to avoid being killed by enemy forces.

It’s quite an unreasonable premise.

Listen, Yurian.

>>186

Brandy is not allowed.

To be honest, the Pioneer Edition isn’t that interesting!

I have an unpleasant sense of trust that they will bring up the spiritual aspect and conclude it again this time.