
It’s the opposite. Good things are not always recognized.
Can’t we do something about this…?
Why is it painful?
>>1It’s sad when good things are not properly recognized…
They say it’s tough out there, don’t they?
It’s not really that hard, is it?
>>4It’s tough.
A community where good things are not valued will decline.
However, because there are alternative spheres and countries, waves are repeated many times with the times.
Which is considered more highly regarded: a game that sold millions of copies but has mixed reviews on Steam, or a game that sold only tens of thousands of copies but is very well received?
>>6Both
Please consider the possibility that something you deem bad could actually be good.
>>7Is it Kaiju No. 8?
>>7In other words, the head of the thread without a name is crazy, and anything associated with that nameless thread or the matters being evaluated will inevitably end up losing.
The other day, I was recommended by someone anonymous to play 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim, and afterward, I felt this lingering confusion like, “Hmm… what is this all about?”
What is the definition of a good thing?
>>10What sells is good.
Even if good things aren’t appreciated, it’s fine because good things continue to be created one after another.
If you don’t clarify the definition of good and bad, it will just go in circles.
Almost all products in the world are considered “good things” for someone…
Isn’t it true that in today’s society, what sells is considered good because of capitalism?
Well then, why are there so many voices saying it’s so bad!
It’s just that because it’s selling and everyone is watching, the number of voices increases…
It seems like hamburgers and cola are selling because they are cheap, not because they are good.
Is it really a good thing?
It’s almost like it sold well because it was a good thing, like “Seed of Death.”
>>20This sold well because it appealed to the target audience and had persuasive power, so it was a good product, wasn’t it?
>>69If the story is that it sold because of the appeal, isn’t that unrelated to the content?
Hamburgers and cola are loved by the wealthy as well, so they can’t be bad things.
Scramble Commander 2… it was so interesting…
>>22If only we could train pilots and modify the machines before the sortie.
Rather than a work that sells 10,000 copies and has about 10 people expressing dissatisfaction,
A work that sells a million copies and has about 100 people complaining is more likely to be labeled a bad piece.
>>23Well… if it’s sold a million copies, then it’s definitely a masterpiece…
>>23Make your complaints count a hundred times more.
>>46The more we sell, the more it reaches beyond the expected core and fan base.
In principle, the ratio of people who complain as long as they can sell should also increase.
The “good things” referred to here are thought to be referencing the realm of ideas or something similar.
(Good things if you close your eyes to dissatisfaction)
It’s easy and enjoyable to judge whether things are good or bad based on sales.
You can also enjoy boosting sales.
>>26This guy is a bad one.
In the first place, I can’t be told whether it’s good or bad.
What happens to something that no one pays attention to?
A world where fair evaluations are always made is suffocating for the worthless.
There is nowhere to belong.
>>29When it comes to evaluating humans, it’s completely different from evaluating products or works, so you shouldn’t mix them up.
>>31I’m just making a little bit of money on the side with something that seems like trash, so it’s not really a big deal…
If you want to get to the bottom of what’s good and what’s bad,
Naturally, the speaker can also be seen as good or bad, right?
From the words of an expert in a certain field who is diligently researching.
Hiroyuki is more highly regarded for talking about that path without any knowledge.
>>33Even just consuming something that feels similar can release brain chemicals and provide a certain level of satisfaction.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be an absolute good thing, I suppose.
>>33It symbolizes Japan’s decline in the intellectual field.
What is good for the body isn’t always delicious.
Just because something sells well doesn’t mean it’s good.
That is absolutely not the case.
I believe that no matter how good spicy things are, they won’t be appreciated.
Even if they say it’s spicy but has flavor, it’s still too spicy for me to eat…
Good and bad.
Like and dislike are different, you know.
If it’s really good, it will be appreciated by those who understand.
It’s just that it doesn’t lead to money or fame.
Isn’t it stupid for people to spend money on something that even professionals would get angry about? Even if it’s selling, it’s a bad product.
>>41That pro is a bad pro, right?
If you only look at the sales, FF8 becomes a masterpiece, right?
Share reviews of things I think are good.
That’s just fine.
Who decides what is good?
There are too many reviews for the products, so I need to be selective.
Seed Death has become a masterpiece!
>>48That previous work had fans turning into anti-fans, so seriously, who bought the DVD?
>>52It’s the purchasing power of female fans.
>>52Because of that background, even the fans aren’t really convinced that sales are justice! They looked at it with a cold perspective.
In terms of games, while Romancing SaGa 1 sold well, it is undoubtedly a terrible work.
Arc the Lad 1, which achieved a million sales due to the demand for RPGs in the early days of consoles, is also quite tough.
Speaking of the early PS RPG boom, the original Persona sold more than 2 and 3, but its quality is lower, and there was also Beyond the Beyond…
It depends on the situation, but put effort into public relations… If people don’t know, nobody will understand.
>>53I’ve heard that while otaku dislike sales jobs and are escaping from life, when it comes to promoting, they have no know-how and can only rely on accidental memes.
It’s strange to say that 〇〇 is interesting, and it’s also strange to say that 〇〇 is not interesting; both are just examples of the conformity pressure unique to online communities.
So, what are some good things that didn’t sell?
Paintings by Van Gogh from that time…
As people who are well-versed in that field gather, they refine the evaluation.
Eventually, it will become a value system that people outside that circle cannot relate to at all.
There are some things that can’t be easily classified as simply good or bad.
When the evaluation of outsiders is undervalued compared to that of experts, it becomes stifling in its own way.
I don’t think that contemporary art, which is being treated as a speculative commodity, will still be in museums 100 years from now.
This is treated as if it’s a valid argument, but the ramen bald guy is just complicating his own trauma, isn’t he?
>>63The fact that I am certain that what I create is undoubtedly excellent and that the problem lies with the customers who cannot understand it is based on an extremely arrogant and conceited assumption.
>>65Regarding the bald man’s statement, it is actually true.
It’s complicated to say that it is a misconception that good things don’t always sell well.
Japanese food used to pack in a lot of sugar, but recently there’s also been a trend to reduce sweetness.
What is good for someone may not necessarily be good for me.
I might come off as harsh saying this, but…
The world today is overflowing with good things…
>>67It feels like there are so many good products that just being good isn’t enough to sell anymore.
There is a direction even in good things.
In novels, the type of good work that moves emotions is completely different from the template “Narou” that can be read with a snack-like feeling.
The former can sell explosively if mastered, but it is tiring to read, so the number of page views is likely to not increase.
The latter is easy to understand from the title and can be easily picked up, so as long as it’s somewhat organized, it tends to sell reasonably well.
Horror games are often interesting and highly rated, but they frequently do not achieve strong sales.
What does “good things” even mean, to begin with?
If something was made to be sold for profit, then what sells well is a good product.
What I cannot recognize may be something valuable to someone else.
Whether it was a good thing or not, it did meet the demand.
In terms of the manga in the thread, I think “good ramen” refers to ramen that many people think is delicious.
The lightly flavored ramen, which is unpopular except among a few people with sharp taste buds, is treated as “good things that don’t sell,” so it’s quite confusing, isn’t it?
That’s just a rare delicacy for enthusiasts.
Mass entertainment is selling, but it’s a bad thing.
It is good if it is something noble that only those who understand can appreciate.
That’s quite a lot of arrogance, isn’t it?
It’s the job theory and the drill bit hole theory.
The reason it’s good isn’t because it’s delicious.
If you start saying that it took a lot of time and effort or that the ingredients are rare, that’s not good, right?
Those who bought the “Seed Destiny” DVD must have realized that what they’re buying now is garbage.
I understand if you’re talking about things that everyone would find interesting if they only got some visibility, but they aren’t selling because of poor marketing.
Saying that something isn’t selling because it’s going against the trend is simply a sign of resentment.
That said, there are countless works that, even with an appeal, don’t sell at all…
It’s really hard to tolerate when something you dislike is selling well, isn’t it?
It’s fine, you can just think that the target audience is different instead of engaging in anti-activities in a place like this.
>>83Too obvious about wanting to be a complete.
The creator said the opposite: that even a completely different anime would sell if it had Gundam in it.
What pleases the masses and
It is quite different when a few people have a good reputation.
Many things that are exposed to the public end up with a bad reputation.
It’s irritating that good things don’t sell and garbage does.
In the case of baldness, it’s not just a matter of how things are sold, but rather that even after eating it normally, it was criticized harshly. Even if the store thrived with somewhat fraudulent advertising methods, the ideal light flavor ultimately was not favored by the majority of customers, so that’s just a bad product, isn’t it?
>>88Baldness said that regular soy sauce is inferior to light soy sauce without conditions, but honestly, even someone who can taste would choose regular soy sauce depending on their preference…
>>92Whether it actually has the flavor of sweetfish is something that doesn’t matter to the customers coming to eat ramen…
Does not meet the criteria of a “good thing.”
>>94This makes me think that this is what consumes information.
>>96In the first place, I’m saying that that information is actually irrelevant to the customer.
>>102Well, even so, ramen shops often send out unnecessary information, so it might have an effect, right?
Aren’t there things that are unnecessarily explained and placed in the store?
>>102The customers don’t care about the quality of the ramen; they are just grateful for the information about the flavor of sweetfish, and that’s something that has been discussed extensively in the main story…
>>112That’s just the perception from a balding perspective.
Customers who come to eat say, “I can’t really tell the flavor, but it’s somehow delicious!”
It is unreasonable to think that there are no customers at all.
Baldness means that although he is a skilled businessman at this time, he is still plagued by trauma.
Once that part is resolved, later on, you become able to accept the realization that “the usual taste here isn’t good at all, but I keep eating it anyway…”
>>102The stance of trying to lower the evaluation of the bald Akutsu based on the value of that information is already a state of being swayed by the information… that’s the point.
>>114In the first place, Hage couldn’t get any customer reviews at all before starting a business that relies on information.
Even after the restaurant flourished with the information provided, in the end, only a select few customers ordered the light soy sauce.
Since the treatment hasn’t changed before and after, the value of the information doesn’t matter.
>>117Only those with a really sharp sense of taste can tell, and even they might realize that the flavor of the sweetfish is faint, while customers who are saying “the flavor of the sweetfish is rich and delicious!” are just consuming the information that there’s sweetfish in it.
Your story is off the mark from the foundation.
>>120That’s a story for a thick sauce.
I’m only talking about Awaguchi.
You need to read the text properly before dealing with the information.
>>123First of all, the discussion has been mainly about the thread image, so your talk about “light mouth” is off the mark…
>>120That’s not right.
>>145What’s different? Haven’t you read it?
>>147I’m telling you it’s different.
>>149Can you explain how it’s different?
>>147“The story about a customer who says ‘The flavor of the sweetfish is rich and delicious!’ and the response that ‘You’re just eating the information that there is sweetfish in it’ is about the development in the manga.”
What is being discussed now is the idea that not all customers are “those who pretend to understand flavors while actually not.”
Distinguish between the development of the original work and the story being told now.
>>117Well, I don’t really care about the content of your claims anyway.
I just said that’s a typical example of someone who consumes information like that.
>>117At this point, as Fujimoto pointed out, Hage was content with feeding customers information about rich-flavored ramen that completely masked the taste of ayu, thinking, “It’s fine to lie and trick foolish customers.”
From the beginning, they weren’t trying to feed the customers bland information.
>>96First of all, isn’t this statement quite nonsensical?
The survey results on the convenience of Windows 11 OS by AFP are
From an engineer’s perspective, it’s the worst in the world, but…
Everyone is using it, so it ranks first in sharing.
The masses are mostly fools, so things that are popular with the masses are good things that resemble foolishness.
>>90Eat this lard, damn it!
Sold
>>90Is something that only a very small number of people understand, while the general public completely doesn’t, really a good thing? That’s a way of thinking, isn’t it?
>>90Efforts to convey charm to idiots are important, but of course there are constraints and limitations in the direction taken.
From the perspective of the creators, it’s not an easy thing.
The evaluation and popularity here are diverging regarding disclosures and class 8.
It was quite interesting to see people insisting it was a cancellation when it clearly seemed to end amicably.
By the time it gets to that point, it’s already misinformation.
Just because something is good (for me) doesn’t mean it will be appreciated, so the main point is to think hard about the production methods. It’s really foolish that all idiots can come up with are remarks like the ones in the text.
It’s somewhat simplistic to say that something not understood by the public is wrong or bad.
First of all, the criteria for public evaluation is something that can change endlessly later and is therefore only relative.
Otherwise, what about the art that is appreciated after the author has died?
>>99Such art only changes in value with additional information like “the author met a tragic death” or “this painting was created by Hitler while he was alive,” but the quality of the painting itself hasn’t changed.
The paintings before the artist died were bad, and only became good merchandise after they died.
>>108“Please define ‘the goodness of the artwork itself.'”
The preferences of the masses, both good and bad, are not absolute; they are always floating and changing with time…
Is Kaiba getting along… ? Did the author just lose motivation and throw it aside…?
>>103Wow! The exact same one really came out!
>>103Wanting to become a spokesperson for the author like this is certainly a sign of being quite ill.
Although the bald guy harshly criticized the rather unimpressive tsukemen at that time, it eventually became a staple menu item at ramen shops over the years.
This applies to most fields, not just ramen.
If the product isn’t recognized and distributed, it won’t be mass-produced, and the price won’t drop, leading to a situation where it never becomes common, stays expensive, and doesn’t sell.
Researchers aren’t just supposed to focus on their studies; they are usually told to properly engage in sales and marketing as well, which is a common expectation at most universities.
“It’s like saying, ‘I’m not swayed by information and can judge purely by taste,’ while making the customer mistakenly feel good about themselves. That’s what it means to be a ‘customer who consumes information.'”
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Just because something is good doesn’t mean it will sell, but anything that sells is good.
However, the content of what is “good” differs (in terms of quality, quantity, cost performance, etc.).
Even now, in an era where hobbies and preferences are so subdivided, there are still plenty of people who buy things just because they are “trending,” so the time when true value can be recognized will never come.
>>119Well, if they’re repeating it, that just means it’s something good for them, so isn’t that fine?
If there’s someone who can tell if something is good or bad without any information before buying, that person is a psychic.
>>119If we can quantify the value of things, there is something that is “truly good.”
In the first place, consumers have no obligation to choose that…
“I can understand if it’s a good thing but not well-known.”
“If it’s a good thing but not appreciated because the customers are foolish, then it’s just a bad thing.”
>>122There are quite a few people in this thread who express the exact opposite, but in an equally extreme way, saying “It’s a bad thing or something not significant, yet it gets evaluated because the customers are foolish.”
>>130I wonder if there really is that much of this issue.
If a first-time customer comes just to look at the information, that’s one thing, but if they try it once and it’s nothing special, there won’t be a second time, right?
>>132If someone says, “Bald, for example, this rich-flavored ramen is bad!” the ramen shop owner would probably respond by saying, “I’m sorry… I’ll make it tasty…”
The bald man is sneering at the customer because the customer is mistaken in raising the flavor of sweetfish, not because it’s bad but because he is eating it anyway.
>>132I can only think of Seed Destiny.
It’s either one or zero.
The power of information isn’t omnipotent, but it’s also true that if you don’t promote anything at all, the things you want to sell won’t sell.
>>124Yes.
So you really can’t understand the true goodness unless you try it yourself.
It is fundamentally wrong to criticize something without having tried it.
>>128In fact, when I actually eat it, there are times when I can’t truly understand its goodness, which makes things complicated.
The “true goodness” referred to here is fundamentally what the provider envisions as true goodness.
There is a fundamental principle that things that are unknown cannot be bought.
So we place advertisements and ask for sales representatives to put them in stores to catch people’s attention…
If you don’t recognize that, relying on the power of advertising just because something is good is considered an unorthodox approach.
It’s a reversal of logic where we focus on “how to sell” instead of the result of “what sells well.”
I really think anyone who still buys the Kaiketsu Zorori comics is seriously stupid.
Mixing up “being evaluated” and “selling well” is off-base.
If all you do is sell, you can sell any garbage with deceptive advertising.
If it’s truly valued after being bought, then that is already a good thing.
The reason the evaluation of the light flavor ramen hasn’t changed is that, in a sense, the bold flavor ramen was created as a result of Hage completely giving up on the evaluation of the light flavor.
That is precisely why it leads to the discussion of the later improved dark soy sauce.
When it comes to the story of Ramen Discovery and baldness, the bald man once said this.
Isn’t it ironic that someone like you, a nameless person, often shows up and seems to consume information?
Baldness is a character, not a god.
>>139So, are you more commercially successful than a bald person?
>>141The character I created, Fluffy Udon Taro, is set up to be 1000 times more successful than a bald person, so can you believe what Taro says?
>>143The word associated with udon is generally smooth, right…?
What the heck is fluffy? It’s gross…
>>152Maybe it’s a contrarian move by Ramen Bald.
>>152Fluffy Taro is more successful than the bald guy, so being fluffy is the right thing, right?
>>141Look, it’s devouring information.
>>141You know.
It seems that even just by reading Discovery Stories, one could have come to terms with being bald.
You can understand that there were parts obscured by the trauma of not being able to trust customers.
On the other hand, they are also a character who is a skilled and unpretentious manager.
Even a person with sharp insights and deep knowledge about a certain matter does not always have correct words or actions.
Even if there are parts clouded by bias, it does not mean that all the insights gained are incorrect.
It’s not a god, it’s a character, that’s what it means.
Sometimes, things that Mashirito sold are considered good, and there are times when it turns into a response battle.
From the seller’s perspective, that’s true.
What the customer considers good is from a different perspective.
>>142It is definitely a good product in reality.
In the first place, it’s just that in the end, Hage himself admits that he didn’t want to acknowledge various things out of pride.
There’s some truth to it, but it’s just a theory with only one valid point.
>>144It’s not that everything is wrong or that everything is right; that’s all there is to it…
First, the premise is that the dark soy sauce is delicious, and then one sees the description and recognizes the information that “this is the flavor of sweetfish.” That’s the order of things, and it’s not that the information is the reason for its sales.
In that case, it would be strange if even the light flavor doesn’t sell.
If you want to argue, it has to be someone who is more successful than a bald person; otherwise, it lacks credibility.
>>156Don’t try to shift the conversation to arguments about baldness.
To be honest, I don’t really understand why a character from a manga is being treated like such a profound truth.
After the president stepped down, there were more personal statements, so I guess I’m just going to say whatever.
Well, it would be problematic if you expect consistency even in conversations like those at a bar.
>>158I feel like the overly strict scenes about walking while using a smartphone or electric kickboards are the original creator’s way of joking around in a not-so-funny way…
>>163It feels like the early vibes of Discovery Tale have arrived…
If anything, if I were really reading manga, I would understand that now the bald character has become the author’s ideological speaker and is saying all sorts of off-base things.
These kinds of people blindly believe only in the meme of the ramen baldy that was posted on the internet.
The reason why this phrase is so highly praised is that…
I think it’s a very convenient reasoning for people who feel that they are correct and excellent but are unfairly evaluated and misunderstood.
>>161But if just being good is enough to sell, it wouldn’t be so hard, right?
Of course, there are things that sell just based on that.
What we’re discussing here is a conversation like this, right?
“Isn’t it foolish to say, ‘But the original work said this?'”
Well then, tell me about that supposedly good thing that isn’t being evaluated here right now.
>>166It may seem contradictory, but in order to give credibility to the statement “it’s a good thing but not recognized,” it first needs to be properly evaluated.
That’s when people will first think, “This is such a good thing, yet it hasn’t been valued until now.”
In addition to the attribute that advertising and promotion are “essentially for making one’s existence known,”
Whether it can convey the charm of the product without losing its appeal.
Whether they can perceive that charm as charm or not.
Or, it could exaggerate the charm or greatly misrepresent the value of the product.
Because it is something that can embody various intentions, both good and bad.
The idea that advertising equals evil is somewhat childish.
Well, it’s a hassle because not all advertisements are entirely free of deceit…
I’ve only ever seen this kind of talk where people rephrase “I like it, but it’s not popular” to “It’s a good thing that isn’t appreciated because the audience is stupid.”
That’s exactly true for light soy sauce ramen as well.
I’ve never actually seen something that is truly wonderful but not appreciated.
>>169Most people in the world are not interested in discerning the true merits and flaws of things that are not recognized.
It’s not that I haven’t seen it, but that I haven’t tried to see it.
I think it’s time to stop the mentality that promoting things is a bad thing.
Most things in the world are good, so in order to be evaluated, they just need something extra.
>>173There was a time when the difference between good and bad was so clear that even people who are unaware could easily understand it.
Right now, to be honest, most of it is filled with “good” and “really good.”
It’s quite an unreasonable demand to expect someone to perceive that difference…
Even if I personally think it’s terribly boring, there are plenty of things that are selling well, but I believe that’s because the audience receiving it is different from me and it satisfies a certain demand that audience is looking for.
Let’s imagine a society where good things are properly evaluated.
There is no way to escape from my feelings of inferiority.
Everyone can really tell when something is not good at all.
This store is obviously bad… or something like that.
Even at that point, it has already cleared a certain level.
The question is, what even is a proper evaluation?
In the end, it’s best to ride the wave of popular genres.
>>181Do you want to open a new shop? If you offer Jiro-style or Ie-kei, it will sell well.
They say there are success stories without reasons, but there are no failures without reasons.
If you are not being evaluated, the reality is that there may be something wrong.
“It is often said as if it’s a truth that ‘sometimes good things don’t sell,’ yet there are hardly any concrete examples, and it feels like just an illusion.”
>>182In other words, Van Gogh is trash!
>>187The value of contemporary Van Gogh’s paintings is based on the background of the person Van Gogh himself.
Van Gogh was a loser in his lifetime.
>>192There are often people who misunderstand and think that Van Gogh’s paintings weren’t valued at all during his lifetime and that their worth came from a later-added story.
In fact, some painters were starting to evaluate him by saying that he’s going to draw amazing pictures and will definitely come to prominence.
I just committed suicide before coming.
>>195“They were saying that some artists are coming,” but that’s just too vague.
>>182Even the aspects that were not evaluated negatively, such as failures in marketing or not aligning with current trends, have various factors involved.
You can’t simply place all the responsibility for the quality of the work on the work itself.
>>191So give me a specific example that fits that.
“I’m saying it’s an illusion because there are no actual works that fit the argument of ‘There are cases where good things don’t sell due to such factors.'”
Sometimes there are people who say that works aimed at the general public are something only fools watch.
I wonder what they think of works aimed at the general public.
Sometimes, the fact that a game is so bad that it feels like a terrible game can actually become a topic of conversation, and it might sell better than something that is poorly made but good.
It’s more important that everyone knows things like that rather than the content itself.
Even if a highly complete product is presented, with so much technology used and a high barrier to entry that few people can achieve it,
Genres that are unpopular or not understood in terms of their value tend not to thrive.
Feel it vividly through three-dimensional modeling and illustration.