Why are there so many disappointing enemies this time… ?

A character packed with only the bad traits of Akira Toriyama in his later years.

Since you can’t win like that, it’s a small thing to decide to make it a child…

>>4

The perspective isn’t bad… although whether we can win is another story.

The third eye itself is too strong.

>>7

To be honest, I prefer the design of Daabla’s sister in this case.

Pansy is super cute…

I wonder if this is the atmosphere that would have been created if Samurai 8 were forcefully adapted into an anime.

So expensive…

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I’m not happy at all that this guy came to Spy Zero.

Goten! You don’t need a Magic Staff just for messing around, right?

>>19

In terms of gameplay, it might be quite strong.

>>19

I hardly use it, so I don’t need it, but I’ve used it a few times just in case.

The fact that Abra removed the third eye except when necessary means that he’s just borrowing an enormous amount of magical power and life force, and I feel like if he overuses it, he could run out and die the moment he removes it.

“Just the third eye is too strong.”

It’s really just not interesting at all…

The battle has no sense of urgency at all, and the occasional jokes are just lame.

>>23

I imagined your reactions to Vegeta not entering the bath with Bulma and stopping the fight, and I laughed while holding my stomach.

Jiren also had a truly terrible design, but thanks to the animation, there were aspects that looked cool.

Will this guy not turn out that way as well?

Even though Jiren is pretty lame, the final battle was so amazing that it balances out a bit.

What was being required of this guy was more about becoming macho or wearing tights like Jiren, rather than that.

Maybe something like the outfit of Orgodemir (human form) from DQ7, with a well-defined nose shape.

It’s about time for bloomers, isn’t it?

>>31

In the setting of Chō, I regularly rejuvenate with the Dragon Balls…

It’s no good for the juren and the clothes to overlap…

>>33

It was just a full-body suit, but wasn’t it supposed to be a team uniform?

If Akira Toriyama were alive, the relationship between Jiren and Gomar would have been revealed.

In other words, Jiren lost to Goku and the others at the very end, and finally became a complete character, so there’s really nothing that can be done unless a continuation of Super comes.

Hey, Shenron…

I started making a super 2…

I thought I was going to be possessed by the third eye, but it turns out it’s just a regular final boss…

I thought it would continue more, but it ended quite abruptly.

Could it be that Dragon Ball was actually really boring…?

It’s terrible that the original characters from “Majin Kai Shoujiki DB Heroes” have better designs, yet it seems certain they’ll be sent to the monkey space in the future.

I know that there are three movies written by Mr. Toriyama, and I can confirm that the other two were indeed interesting, so I have no doubts about his abilities.

I feel it’s disappointing to think that if I had continued, I would have gotten better.

If they had cut out the plane crash and unnecessary scenes, they could have made it a two-hour theatrical version…

I wonder if there might be some internal settings in Toriyama’s mind that resemble Jiren, but it’s probably something that will never be revealed…

Compared to the manga, I think Jiren is a character that has been interpreted more elaborately in the anime.

The Pride Troopers were also created in collaboration with the anime, so if it fits well, it means that Jiren came to be.

If he’s involved with the DB, it should be well-known that Toriyama-sensei is someone who makes better things when he offers his opinions to some extent.

The naivety of the stakeholders who allowed such unprecedented freedom now is truly difficult to comprehend.

It’s someone who tried to make the creepy Cell’s second form more active, so it’s better not to let them do whatever they want all the time.

Isn’t this a continuation of the super? Well, it’s fine… That was it.

I guess it’s about searching for Jiren’s revenge in the continuation of Super, or something selfish.

I feel like it might have been better to let Full Power Jiren rampage.

>>50

First, both are telling stories of the past.

I never said that the enemy is still alive.

It was just that Jiren, who was ultimately insufficient in power, couldn’t be defeated.

Even now, if it’s something beyond Jiren, it would be a case for a destroyer god.

I think the author wanted to provide some interpretation, especially since parallel worlds have already been increasing.

DAIMA is just a doorway of a work and has a promising outlook for further derivations…

>>52

It seems like there is an intention to change the worldview itself.

Well, if this is the first attempt and it just ended up being a failure, I can understand that.

Why are you picking up the same mistakes of deflation, shrinking, and adventure tales (?) that failed in GT…?

>>53

Although it didn’t go well, there is a sense of traces left from challenging a new frontier.

If it were a result like that, I could understand it even if I couldn’t accept it…

If you’re stronger than Jiren, even the God of Destruction can’t do anything!

>>54

There are various sealing techniques, so it’s not that they’re necessarily stronger than Jiren, making it impossible for even a god of destruction.

Jiren’s power itself is not much different from Goku and Vegeta; he just has an extremely skilled way of using that power, which is vanilla.

>>58

Is that really true!? Isn’t the original output just too different!?

>>61

In the manga version, after Vegeta learned about energy control again on Yardrat, the output extraction efficiency improved significantly.

It became clear that the two of them haven’t figured out how to use their power.

As expected, it’s probably true that they’re leaning towards GT.

>>62

It’s not that there are vehicle troubles in the scenario.

It feels like the transportation troubles were just presented as a standalone issue.

Creating compelling enemies at the pace of a weekly serialization without any preparation from grandpa and the consideration staff is impossible.

>>63

Since it’s a complete package, it’s rather that there was more than enough time, and yet this is what we have.

The design of this form itself isn’t bad at all.

If we’re going to make a proper fighting boss, wouldn’t it have turned out like Buu or Janemba?

>>64

It won’t do.

It’s not surprising for a strong person to have a strong appearance.

>>67

Anyone can create a design that has unexpected elements, disregarding the demanded coolness or fear factor!

Putting the story aside, it seems that there weren’t many people who criticized the character design, as it looks like only characters made with the creator’s usual style were present.

In the first place, relying on cheat items makes you weaker than the base Dabra, and there’s no potential for growth like with Frieza.

This is about as good as it gets.

It’s clear that they are putting all their power into the animation, but there simply isn’t enough time to develop the story.

>>72

Akira Toriyama’s story writing was so slow that the parallel production of the anime was a disaster.

The final episode of Super was incredibly exciting, and even though GT had its share of criticisms, its final episode isn’t spoken of as harshly. However, I have no sense that Daima can fit in among them, and all I feel is anxiety.

Outside of the scenario, Goku’s voice sounds kind of raspy and doesn’t get me excited.

>>75

Ryou Horikawa’s voice was quite strict, but it just barely fits within the range of Vegeta.

Even if you say it’s a dilemma, it has a tolerable appearance without any sense of humor…

I can’t help but think that each of these lines must have been written exactly as is by Mr. Toriyama…

I like Jiren’s typical gray design because it makes a lot of sense when considering him as the final boss set in space.

If the scenario comes up late and the script side has to make corrections and so on each time,

It probably couldn’t be helped and had to be passed as it was, because the production time was running late.

I really like the design.

I mentioned it before, but I didn’t realize the teacher liked GT that much… in a bad way.

Is this really the final boss?

What are we fighting for weeks against this guy?

One calls that giving up.

However… considering the time and the broadcasting period, I can’t rush Akira Toriyama, who started working on it without thinking about those factors…

Well, it seems that Toriyama-sensei was sick… in the head…

It’s like Ackman.

It’s not often that I watch anime worrying whether the characters can properly deliver their lines.

Like a little while ago, Daisuke Jigen…

The surprising thing is that the final boss is a gimmick boss with decent strength but infinite stamina, making it an invincible punching bag.

How am I supposed to get hyped up?

The change in voice actors might have normally been a controversial issue, but at this point, I don’t really care anymore…

>>90

This is what I saw in Digimon Adventure tri.

The plane is falling too much!

Well, I guess it’s fine for game makers to create variations with a hastily attached third eye character for a gag.

>>93

I can’t help but feel this is flickering.

The voice actors are getting older, to the point where they really should have been replaced a while ago…

It might already be decided behind the scenes, but honestly, it would be better to find a successor for Deverbants early.

>>99

I wanted them to stop because Gorirō’s name being mispronounced feels a bit too real.

Akira Toriyama is fundamentally a lighthearted gag manga artist and designer, so if you want something serious, you need to request it from the designer Akira Toriyama in that way.

I think it’s just that Daima itself is bad, and that’s why it’s being dragged down; in terms of design and character development, Jiren and the characters from the thread are equally lacking.

To be frank, I think releasing it as a complete package is a consideration for Nozawa-san…

I only know Dragon Ball from the game Kakarot and Dima, so I’ve always thought Goku’s voice sounds weird…

For long-time fans, it must be a cool voice.

>>101

It’s the same with Luffy, but I think if they just picked a straightforward idol voice actor for the second generation, the gap would be too drastic and that would likely lead to negative feedback.

I thought it was reasonable to change the voice actor because it’s a mini version, but changing the voice actor for a character like Yamcha, who only appears for a moment, didn’t really have much meaning.

>>103

Rather, the biggest benefit of doing a major promotion is that it allows for a smooth voice actor change from then on.

As a nearly 90-year-old grandma, her vocal volume is indeed impressive.

Well, there’s nothing to be done; she’s already an old lady…

If you want to enjoy the voices of veteran actors, you should watch the Tarles movie.

From a sexy voice to mysterious songs, I’m doing it all.

Although Zamasu was also immortal, he utilized his immortality as a strategy, combined it with Black’s techniques, and even performed Potara fusion—he was doing various things, wasn’t he?

Since it’s a mini, there are probably quite a few people who recognize that the voice has been changed…

I think it would have been better if Super 4 hadn’t been released last week after all.

>>111

I know it’s going to be just a prelude to Vegito or Gogeta, so it probably won’t appear at any other timing.

Gomar’s 2-head height before transforming isn’t that bad in design or positioning.

Basically just a rehash of pilaf.

Will she become a woman voice actor who can change her voice like a boy, or will she be different individuals like Goku, Gohan, and Goten?

>>115

Is there really a need to call in a different voice actor for Goten?

>>118

Goku and Gohan have grown up, but Goten still has a childlike phase, so it’s hard to understand.

Since I’m challenging with the same flavor as GT and making the same mistakes as GT.

I am confident that Toei will never pursue childification or deflation, even if they continue to develop new DB works in the future.

>>116

I think it’s a safe bet to release a Dragon Ball with a templated storyline since Akira Toriyama is not involved.

On the contrary, there are concerns that they might do something overly complicated due to political pressure from sponsors.

Even if the position is good, the operation is way off.

It feels like that overall with DAIMA.

Goten is a clone character of Goku…

It’s strange for a parent and child to have the same voice actor.

In the world, most parent-child pairs have different voices.

>>120

To be honest, it’s easier to reuse the same voice actor for recording than to worry about whether it’s strange or not.

Just because it looks like a child doesn’t mean it’s not strong; I just really wanted to make it resemble GT in appearance.

>>124

No, I realized that he’s become extremely weak in the latest episode.

I have a feeling that Goten will only have a minimal role going forward, even if it’s just a supporting one.

>>125

It’s nice that Trunks can regularly be brought out as a quota for Future Trunks…

Just let Zen-chan erase everything in the final episode.

I feel like Goten will forever be treated as “Gotenks’ part.”

>>127

Even if the original young Goten were to appear and was somewhat strong,

Since Trunks is about the same age, Adult Gotenks will definitely be a match.

I dislike Gomar threads because they usually come with complaints about Jiren being uncool or lacking charm, along with Jiren bashing.

I want a role greater than Gotenks’ B part.

>>130

As long as Trunks is here, it’s impossible.

Indeed, Jiren is not a character that can be treated on the same level as the thread image.

Thanks to Goma, I was able to re-recognize the ugliness of the Pride Troopers’ suits.

Even with such an expanded worldview, the fact that Goku isn’t the main character will significantly affect sales, as SH has proven.

The sadness of the boy Trunks, who has his popularity stolen by another version of himself from a different world, is immense.

>>138

Because you’re a cocky brat unlike the future you.

In other words, Jiren really stands out as a character in the flow of Super, doesn’t he?

A hitman with the special ability to manipulate time.

Zamasu, who has an immortal body and the worst personality.

The hero Jiren has no special abilities but possesses strength that surpasses even the gods.

The characteristics are clearly separated.

>>139

If you’re going to consider a character distinguished solely by their combat style, then the Gomar that grows larger with the Third Eye is also a distinguished character.

>>141

It’s a story about being able to differentiate well within the super.

If the characters are at the same level as the gormars that the people in this thread are talking about, they would only be treated like trash in various media by now.

>>141

Isn’t there a problem in terms of being a petty villain character?

It can’t be said to be attractive at all, but…

The GT trunks that are worn up to the age have become vanilla.

A work where the voice actors are pitiful overall.

I thought they would quietly switch to a different voice actor for the child character, but that didn’t happen.

Is it a touchstone to change after death?

>>146

Maybe I’m not thinking about anything.

Kame-Sen’nin and Mr. Satan both have voices that aren’t suitable for old men.

The previous chapter, which was considered a bad work because each new chapter fell short of it,

I feel that the phenomenon of Baki being praised for still being better is also happening in DB.

Well, whether good or bad, if it’s a character that wants to do pro wrestling, it’s understandable that there’s not much substance to it.

Future Trunks

Trunks GT

Super’s Trunks

Time Patroller Trunks

Aren’t they all the same!

Dilemmas really get complicated for the veterans who get heavily criticized.

In reality, it has reached a level where it can be said to be a popular character among bosses.

>>151

I guess Toriyama really liked that design, as the thread image is similar.

Putting hits aside, Black is just a variation of Goku, and Jiren is simply uncool.

I guess they won’t be able to create a final boss as amazing as Lavos anymore, like Buu.

You seem to like fully-formed Cells.

It seems like there are no side effects from the third eye, so why was Abrua removing it?

Jiren still looks like a muscular strongman, so that’s nice.

Transform after being sent flying by Vegeta, you!

In the game, they’ll end up fabricating the darbra (third eye)!

>>160

It’s much better than being shown a goma.

The power balance of DAIMA is so chaotic that it’s impossible to have a discussion about strength.

>>162

It’s a common trope in terrible scripts that the power balance is broken.

>>164

That’s right.

Hey, are you listening? Akira Toriyama started saying that Master Roshi is actually strong.

I thought Cell was really cool.

I would have been fine if it was just this program, but I dislike that Iyoku, who didn’t intervene in this, holds the rights to DB…