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It definitely won’t connect, but it feels like there’s just enough room left for it to potentially connect.
One of the various “if”s.
It’s the same as the old movie versions, right?
It was mentioned even in the super that there are multiple parallel worlds.
If we start nitpicking, none of GT, Super, or DAIMA are connected at all.
There are different routes, and even Daima has a different route from Chou.
I won’t say who, but I’m a fan of a specific character, so I guess it doesn’t have to be canon.
>>7Piccolo, huh?
>>7It’s the 17th, huh?
>>7Boo, huh?
>>7It’s Uub, huh.
I’m sorry, Toriyama-sensei.
>>9Teacher Toriyama named it with the meaning of “grand touring.”
The staff interpreted it as “Great Touring” and “Galaxy Touring” because they were not told the meaning.
>>17You’re quite perceptive, aren’t you…?
>>9It’s hard to believe that something like this was actually taken seriously.
Please fuse with me, someone!!
Daimachou 4 is perfectly uncool, and GT Chou 4 seems to have some time to shine, which is a relief.
>>14In other words, since I have no idea how the supply of new scenarios will be in the future, I’ll probably use any usable material to its fullest.
In the first place, it was depicted that the world has many parallel worlds even at the time of the Android saga.
>>16Now that I think about it, it’s like Sharon’s rose, isn’t it?
The scene where another time machine (the one Cell was on) is discovered.
>>16In a recollection about the editor of Dragon Ball, Mr. Toriyama reflected on how everyone struggled to make sense of the Android saga, and it made me think that they were genuinely considering those aspects.
But when we were riding in the airship, we talked about whether the future androids of Trunks would disappear if we defeated the androids here. Now that I think about it, it seems like we explained those kinds of stories quite a bit.
“But you can only see Super Woob’s achievements in GT, Goku.”
>>18When did Super Wub perform?
>>26Buying time for Goku to reach Ultra Instinct Full Power by entering the belly of the giant monkey baby…
Somehow, I’m lucky that they keep bringing out GT characters in Sparking.
Recently, Super Baby 2 has been strangely favored, so there must be someone at the top who likes Super Baby 2.
>>20Have the eggs been implanted…
>>20Among the bosses in GT, Baby is the one that has the best character, so it’s become noticeable…
From halfway through, only Goku truly has any rights, so I think fans of specific characters must find it really tough.
>>24If anything, Goku doesn’t seem that strong in Super Saiyan 4 after all!
>>24There are seven evil dragons, so it would have been nice to see them be more active in various ways.
>>24If you start talking about that, isn’t it that even though DAIMA had a lot of characters, like GT, besides Goku and Vegeta, there are just characters who are there?
>>40I think it’s fair to say that the Demon Brothers made quite an impact.
>>40That’s why DAIMA is being criticized as well.
Well, it’s better than GT just because Vegeta is solidly first-class.
>>40Stop with the rebuttals like “DAIMA was popular!”
Babies are nice, right?
Even if Baby appears in the game, she can be treated as a classic character.
If Goma were to appear in the future, I definitely think there would be tsking.
Uhhuhhuh!
A popular character called Super Woob who also appears in Gekishin Squad.
Goten’s hairstyle is…
Even if we set aside Ultra 17, Shenron is just too weak of a character.
>>34Last year when I watched it on Abema, even the tone was unstable and it was no good.
I still cannot understand the descent of Hell’s 17th.
The baby has a personality that doesn’t really overlap with other bosses.
The GT party is
Goku: Protagonist role
Bread: Inexperienced role, hindrance role
Trunks: Scientist, uses his head.
It’s clearly divided into roles.
Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta, who is Goku’s enhancement part.
>>42When I saw the scene where they were lifting the ruins and couldn’t move, I thought, “How is it possible to be so powerless after coming this far?!”
>>42In the original setting, you can’t fuse unless your body builds are the same, so I kind of like that height increases.
It’s tough because it would be troublesome if they were forcefully made to look strong like Master Roshi.
I have the impression that the Super bread will ultimately become stronger than the GT bread.
I don’t particularly dislike GT; rather, I actually like it to some extent because of various elements.
I’m sad that Goku is going to die, so I don’t want that…
4 is amazing! 4 Gogeta is amazing!
This impression is mostly thanks to the Z3.
>>49When it comes to Super Saiyan 4, I think it’s thanks to the games from around the PS2 era.
The main story hasn’t introduced them yet, but just showing their faces in the opening made me think, “What is this cool character?!” I think that also earned some points.
What I remember from the main story’s Ultra 4 is finally pulling out the tail to become 4.
>>49Super 3 is amazing! It’s mostly thanks to the game.
>>62Super 3 also has a match against Janemba…
A common point of an unusually strong Number 17.
Go! Hellfighter No. 17!
>>51There is no meaning in trying to resemble No. 17 at all.
When you summarize GT, even though it’s Dragon Ball, I like that the battles are subdued and certain key moments are kind of emotional. Piccolo shares a fate with Earth, and only Gohan hears it through telepathy and breaks down crying in the crowd; you definitely can’t see something like that in the current Dragon Ball.
The elements that barely connect to GT are all content from the original series’ final episode.
Overall, even if it’s boring, if the outcomes of various characters are somewhat happy, then it’s okay, I guess.
There are a lot of deaths that feel like they’ll last forever in GT.
It’s painful there.
So, the fact that Trunks went through that in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is just unbelievable, there’s really no way it should have happened.
Gohan-chan is always wasted in any spin-off or sequel.
A surplus material that surpasses even more.
The coolness in combat is influenced by later games, but I still love the scene of the first transformation of Super Saiyan 4.
Since Uub only appears in the final episode, the design is manageable.
When trying to move the characters, the glamour just isn’t there…
The ending of the thread image has a nice sense of melancholy, doesn’t it?
I love that the final boss is Dragon Ball, as it is fitting for the end.
I will only use the spell that the official is saying on its own in the Future Trunks arc.
I think the blue uniform is quite nice.
It’s a mysterious work that I like, but I can mostly say “Yeah” to the complaints about it.
4 is seriously cool, like really cool. Just this alone is worth the price.
It’s so cool that it feels like a long time since the fourth one came out, and it makes me think that they might be mismanaging the pacing in the baby arc.
The ED, including the production, is wonderful in GT.
DAIMA’s 4 honestly didn’t look cool at all, but this design is fantastic.
The more I look at it, the more I think… it’s kind of weak…
I really like the atmosphere where the members of the baby edition are being taken over one after another, and it’s incredibly despairing, but when I hear it’s long, I’m like, “Yeah.”
I heard that the quality of the battle scenes is very good, but it wasn’t that great… Was the quality at a level of great praise back then?
>>73It’s a lie! Everything about GT’s boring battles being great is a lie!
>>73I didn’t see it that way back then, but is that how society evaluates it?
I love the beautiful plot where the rivalry between Dr. Mew and Baby has continued since the very early days of the Parappa Brothers.
It was good that the group claiming the Super series was the true canon fell silent after the original creator was involved in DAIMA.
>>76The original creator is also involved in GT…
The original author was in charge of the adventure route and character design supervision.
I checked SS4 just in case.
>>91SS4 was the idea of Mr. Toriyama, and then the staff turned it into illustrations and checked it, which should be in the booklet of the DVD box set.
>>76Is there something to be silent about…?
>>76There was no ladder, so instead, I was rampaging around.
I don’t feel the 10 times Kamehameha at all…
>>77I like making small balls in both hands and squeezing them in the pose of the Kamehameha wave.
I remember wondering if one hand is five times that.
It’s great that Masako Nozawa’s voice is still young.
The bold feeling of 4 is good.
In the end of the original work, it definitely doesn’t connect, and since there’s also the deceased work that Tori was involved in, isn’t it that the super position is more lost?
>>79Chou has announced that the manga will resume once the material is organized, so the latest work will return to that side.
I think it’s worth appreciating the effort to end Dragon Ball during that era.
As entertainment, looking at it now is just really tough.
>>80Did you not just make it less popular and deliver the final blow instead of trying to end it?
>>87It’s okay.
Even if I die, I’ll be revived with the Dragon Balls.
>>80It’s often pointed out, but they just ignored the original work, created their own version, and ended it however they wanted, right?
>>107(Not ignoring)
>>107Because it was a cash cow, Dragon Ball… even the original work treated it like it was unthinkable to end it!
>>107Even though I went out of my way to bring Goku and Vegeta back to life for a happy ending.
Those who say the ending of GT is good because Goku becomes distant from everyone after dying or becoming a god are definitely those who haven’t watched the final episode, I can assert that with confidence.
>>144Even if someone criticizes the thoughts of those who saw it.
>>158There are quite a few people who firmly believe that anyone who doesn’t share the same impression as me must not have watched it.
>>144I really hate that kind of bittersweet feeling! I really hate it, I really hate it! So I understand how you feel.
It’s nice that the ending is good… I want you to be calm and realize that it’s like saying that regarding parts like that song or the scene with Goku and Krillin.
>>163If you put a good song over a digest of the series’ iconic scenes, it definitely becomes emotional, that’s for sure.
>>171It’s terrible to completely deny everything that has been done so far and then rely solely on the popularity of the work at the end.
>>179I’m curious about where you felt completely denied.
>>144“It’s fine to say ‘I don’t like it,’ but…”
That’s why nobody listens to what you say, because you replace it with “Those who say that definitely haven’t seen it.”
>>144I think it’s good that there’s a story about Goku Jr. beyond that.
>>170I didn’t want to see a wrinkled old woman, Bread, and the Capsule Corporation become distant from the Son family…
>>178Isn’t it better if the story ends with Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr., who have become distant, meeting and fighting at the World Martial Arts Tournament, leaving a sense that a new story is about to begin?
>>189I don’t think it’s something that should be brought up at the cost of destroying the relationship built from the story that started with Goku and Bulma’s meeting.
I don’t deny that I like it, but is it strange to want you to do that without breaking the original work?
>>224I don’t quite understand what “the destruction of relational values” means.
I can understand what you’re saying if Goku and Bulma themselves have become distant and their relationship has broken, but this is about their distant descendants, right?
Putting aside the overall story of GT, I don’t think the story of Goku Jr. ruins the original work.
>>267Since the bread is alive, it’s connected through the bread between the main story and its future.
I think it would have been fine if there were really no characters I knew at all, even if the bread was dead.
>>294I see.
Opinions may differ, but the feelings were conveyed.
Super Broly was so interesting that it should be considered canon.
It generates wonderful ideas that carry subtle quirks and continue to influence even in later years.
Perhaps it was created by people who, while feeling frustrated and having their brains fried by the great directing of past games, thought, “Fine, let me do this!!! I’ll prepare a cool direction that befits this!!!”
It feels like a convenient slot in the game.
Super Saiyan 4 looks great, and since it wasn’t criticized even with all the embellishments from the main series, it’s highly sought after, making it feel like there’s not a hint of a dark past.
It was so bad that there’s absolutely no way GT was better.
The live broadcast was indeed amazing.
When he turns 4, Goku’s IQ suddenly drops.
Since it’s not working, stop firing the 10x Kamehameha at Super 17 over and over.
I really can’t understand why merging with Shenron is a good ending.
I don’t really understand the reasoning or the reasons behind it.
Even if we generously assume that the future world has collapsed and the characters are just isolated in a different world, I can still understand that.
It makes no sense at all for everyone except for Trunks and the mysteriously forceful Mai, including Bulma, to be wiped out…
GT, Ultra, and DAIMA are just routes that branched off, so they are easy to understand and that’s good, don’t you think?
Isn’t it strange that the old movie version is such a mess?!
When I watched it all at once, I could feel an immense amount of negative energy accumulating in the thread starting from the Evil Dragon arc.
>>94The final boss battle with Ryuu Ichihoshi has poorly animated characters, inconsistent story elements, and a slow plot development; it’s terrible.
>>94It feels just like the original anime arc of Rurouni Kenshin.
The 10x Kamehameha has a red version and a blue version, right?
I like the red version better because it looks like a Kaio-ken lineage.
The red beam is really cool, but…
Is it okay that there’s someone without a name seeing illusions of evaluations and opinions from that time?
The baby arc was more interesting than I remembered, and it turned out that the evil dragon arc was worse than I had recalled during the marathon broadcast.
Someone, please fuse with me!
I can confidently say that there are episodes in the second half with amazing battle scenes…
>>101I have a lot to say about the super, but I think most of it will be addressed in the latter half of the battle.
I like pushing the escaping baby with a Kamehameha and squashing it with the sun.
The Z Fighters suddenly start cherry blossom viewing somewhere in the Android Saga!
Mr. Toriyama becomes amazing when he becomes a controlled professional.
When an artist works freely, it tends to become delicate.
But it was Jump that made me realize I really wanted to do it that way by overworking me.
In other words, it’s Mashirito’s fault.
The 17th volume and the Evil Dragon volume are surprisingly short.
Speaking of external appearances in GT, it’s clear that the enemy is Baby.
Baby is a sworn enemy of the Saiyans and his strong personality of taking over Vegeta is notable…
Rather, I feel like I was able to join in a big way as one of the routes branching out infinitely from the original’s final episode, in the flow from Super → DAIMA.
>>114I used to write about hyper-canonical history.
Just pick up the song and Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Gogeta, Pan, and Baby from the external content, and that’s all you need to do.
The consistently slow tempo of combat is…
It was funny to see Baby genuinely panic because Bluma was behaving unexpectedly.
My memories of Super Saiyan 4 were made real when I rewatched GT and realized they were created from the arcade carddass and Z3.
I understand that this work is from a time when there was a sentiment or atmosphere of wanting to close down the declining Dragon Ball.
Even so, the character killing is too much, and it’s wrong to use Dragon Ball as the enemy, as evil; it shouldn’t be done, it should be sealed away.
I somehow feel like something I’ve enjoyed watching until now has been sullied, and it’s just not sitting well with me, even though there are parts I like.
But the scene with Gogeta from Gobofai vs. Blue Gogeta is the best, isn’t it?
The Gogeta 4 I see in games is super cool, but when I watch the actual series, I think, “This is kind of boring…”
The troublesome and interesting Baby Arc with Bulma as the enemy.
There’s quite a strong influence from the atmosphere of the 90s, isn’t there?
The power of the Big Bang Kamehameha in my mind is derived from Z3.
>>128I watched it all at once, but it made me laugh in a weird way.
I like the song.
GT and Super will likely have plenty of opportunities to appear in various developments in games and more in the future.
I’m honestly just anxious about what will happen with DAIMA.
>>130At this point, even with the DLC for Xenoverse 2, if they release this, there won’t be anything left that stands out, so it’s probably not needed anymore.
I really like songs like ED…
There are quite a few voices evaluating the concept of the evil dragon, but it’s not true that I’m using Dragon Ball for selfish reasons, so their claims feel unreasonable, and it seems like it’s all based on preconceived development. Honestly, I don’t really like that part either…
>>133I understand that opinion, but that part is probably a result of interpreting the depiction of the Old Kaioshin, who was hesitant to use it for the correct purpose in the original work.
>>143Dende: “What’s wrong with using it for the right things?!”
It is the panel right after that.
>>133I think it’s not okay to use elements that can be considered the core of a work related to the title in that way.
Well, some otaku might like the twist where what they’ve believed in turns out to be the enemy of the world… but this is Dragon Ball.
I interpreted that Gogeta was goofing around to eliminate the negative energy of Earth, but upon reviewing it, it turned out he was just messing around for no particular reason.
>>136I wonder why everyone had been so convinced that they erased the memory of Gogeta’s underestimation from their minds…
>>136I wonder what the hell is up with the person who insisted on this…
Speaking of which, why was Krillin able to come back to life at the end when he had already been brought back to life once with the Dragon Balls on Earth?
The setting of making Dragon Ball villains is something that people have mixed feelings about.
Because Bulma is an extremely evil person in the GT setting.
I understand what DAIMA wants to do and I like it, but…
After all, a skinny design that looks like a cabbage in Dragon Ball isn’t cool!
>>139I didn’t need someone like that, even at all.
Hearing the evaluation of the main story makes me think it’s amazing that external works have long maintained the position of surpassing Super Saiyan 3 as the ultimate final boss.
It was unexpected that DAIMA couldn’t connect to Chō.
I wonder if they decided to make the developments after the original work, including the super ones, parallel settings for each anime.
Gogeta effortlessly takes care of things; he truly is a figure of authority…
While I feel inclined to resist the voices saying the final episode was good, I think it’s fine for those who liked it to enjoy it.
The atmosphere is definitely good.
Gogeta Blue basically has an attitude of “I’m the strongest!” but he doesn’t hold back.
>>150Both Vegeto Blue and Gogeta Blue are too strong for the opponent, so there’s no room to take it lightly.
Even the gal’s panties are an emergency escape in response to the desires of the Pilaf gang.
The idea that negative energy accumulates when humans use things for their own convenience is
I like how it feels like a reversal of the setting that is allowed for honest Namekians.
Is Dima really like that…?
>>153Let’s see.
>>153Woohoo!
>>153You will definitely get hooked!
>>153It’s not that great, but unlike GT, the animation is consistently good, so it might be better to watch it all at once?
>>153If I were to summarize it briefly, it would have been fine, but it’s been dragged out to 20 episodes, making it extremely lengthy.
Well, for fans who are looking for the traditional vibe, there are parts where Toriyama’s original favorite style doesn’t match, so there are aspects that are disliked more than the reality.
How active is GT’s Tien Shinhan?
>>157Did I have my turn…?
Thank you, Dragon Ball! There’s no other way to use Dragon Ball than the original!
In the original work, the fusion warrior’s enemy defeat rate is 0, but Gogeta, who burned fans’ brains with his brief appearance in the original movie, is just incredible.
There are many elements that make me go “hmm,” but the openings and endings are good songs, so it can’t be helped.
It seems to have transformed into a good memory in my mind.
Considering the strength and regeneration ability of the Super One-Star Dragon, it was not a time to be taking things lightly.
DANDAN, it’s a wonderful song that pulls at my heartstrings, dammit!
I love the continuous transformations at the end of the opening.
When I rewatched the final episode recently, I thought it would have been nice if there had been more goodbyes with various people.
Goku Junior’s vibe was honestly a bit too much for me to handle, but well, opinions vary from person to person…
The final episode of GT is highly rated just for its end roll.
>>177Doing that as a concluding act is already at a forbidden technique level of performance…
Isn’t Gogeta’s negative energy thing referring to the scene where he kicked the Power Ball and cleared the sky?
After that, it became cloudy again.
Calling him the father of a new era might be an exaggeration, but if you look at the content from a broader perspective, I genuinely believe that the achievements of creating things like Super Saiyan 4 and Baby Evil Shenron are more than enough to warrant that title.
I was surprised that Ultra Instinct 4 isn’t that strong… There’s no depiction of it being stronger than Blue…
I think there are surprisingly many delusional people who make up things even when watching Zeke Axes.
Vegetto clearly has an intention and is achieving his goals while playing around.
Gogeta defeats without a doubt in an instant.
Blue Vegeta and Blue Gogeta were equally strong against their opponents.
Super 4 Gogeta…
I mean, don’t you think it’s just an absurd development to have no reason for such a careless play and then end up in a big pinch because of running out of time?
>>187Aren’t you at the same level as Gotenks?
>>194I think it’s understandable because Gotenks is a child.
>>187It’s Earth purification.
Gogeta has the ability to purify.
(I’m sure everyone wants to obtain eternity…)
Broly showed no signs of even thinking about falling despite being beaten up by Gogeta Blue.
Gotenks being a cocky brat is just part of his characterization because he’s a child.
I’m gradually being drawn in~
Killing Piccolo for no reason, killing 17 for no reason, and the pointless merging and disappearance of Buu.
>>193Is it a hate for the original work?
Broly getting beaten up by Gogeta is awesome! Broly clinging to Gogeta is also amazing! I think it’s a miraculous sense of balance.
>>195Everything I had been looking for in Dragon Ball was packed into that movie.
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