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[Dragon Ball] At that time, was there a debate about the fact that an overwhelming number of characters stronger than Goku appeared?

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1: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:50

Speaking of which, I haven’t seen Beerus around at all lately.

2: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:54

It’s not that old of a story, is it?

3: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:55Yeahx25

Well, there have been quite a few stronger than Goku since a long time ago.

4: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:56Yeahx7

That’s just a setup for Goku to get stronger.

13: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:02

>>4But
That’s just a setup for Beerus to become even stronger.To continue becoming…

5: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:58

It has been about fifteen years since the gods appeared.
It’s about time we have a clear discussion about surpassing Lord Beerus!
I don’t know if anything will be made after DAIMA.

7: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:59Yeahx3

>>5Naso

6: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:58

I just thought it was the usual Dragon Ball; it’s been a while since it’s been strong in the god-like category.

8: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:59

Goku isn’t necessarily the strongest character at all times, right?

39: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:12

>>8Rather, it suggests that Goku is more suited to being a challenger who confronts stronger opponents than gods.
I thought they showed it off to those watching.

9: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/13(Fri)23:59Yeahx10

Goku suits being a challenger for life more than being the strongest champion.

10: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:00

First, it seems that Goku thinks that if he fights seriously, Gohan will become stronger.

11: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:01

When it came out, there were mixed opinions.
It felt like every time a new character appeared afterwards, the previous one was still being accepted as they had become familiar.

12: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:01

All the gods who become masters can be surpassed in an instant, but Lord Beerus is doing his best.

14: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:03

It must be happy to always have Vegeta chasing after you, wondering if he will lose.

15: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:03

Since Zen-chan is here, anything like Beerus should be fine, right?

16: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:05Yeahx3

It seems that Goku has won against bosses mostly in one-on-one battles fewer times than you’d expect.

17: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:07

At first, I didn’t think much of it, but staying up there without defeating or surpassing it, let alone fighting, felt a bit… off.

18: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:16

I never thought I would never be able to get close to eternity.

19: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:17

I wonder if becoming stronger than Lord Beerus would mean a change in the god of destruction.

20: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:18

It seems like I could put up a good fight against Lord Beerus, but I don’t feel like I can catch up to the angels or the Grand Priest.

21: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:21

In the Cell arc, he’s somewhat inferior to the pre-resurrection Cell, and in the Buu arc, he’s lower than even Evil Buu, let alone Vegeta’s new form.

22: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:26Yeahx6

It wasn’t fun because of the god-awful omniscience I unleashed.

23: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:30

I couldn’t win against Raditz alone, and without Krillin, Gohan, and Yajirobe, I can’t defeat Vegeta either… Frieza is definitely formidable, though.

24: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:34

It’s okay that I haven’t been able to win against strong opponents solo until now.
It’s not good that even with a group, we can’t win, and in the first place, we don’t even fight properly.

25: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:34Yeahx4

It would have been nice if stronger new enemies were coming out right after I overtook them.

26: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:43

The only one that inflated super badly is Jiren, right?
Since Jiren, things have been on a level playing field.

27: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:45Yeahx10

Because they are “allies” far stronger than Goku.
It’s like having a parent present during a children’s fight, so there’s no sense of tension at all.

36: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:10

>>27When a superior presence that feels completely out of reach is presented, it’s tough, isn’t it?
Even if strong enemies appear, it’s fine as long as they show up at worst, right?
I’m not going to do it for various reasons, but emotionally, I feel uneasy.

64: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:32

>>27I thought this was a really ridiculous farce in Resurrection ‘F’.

28: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:50

Lord Beerus, even against Gogeta Blue, would only change his expression slightly, so if he were serious, he would definitely have the upper hand…

29: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:50

It’s good that someone stronger than Goku is coming out, but…
In other words, the reason Dragon Ball is interesting is that such things keep appearing one after another.
I think it wasn’t a good idea to set a clear upper limit on strength with the title of High Priest.

30: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:50Yeahx1

Beerus’s strength is too unclear.
Even though I was supposed to be about 60% as strong as Beerus in God form, for some reason, even after being able to use Ultra Instinct, Beerus is still stronger.

37: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:11

>>30I don’t know about manga, but I don’t think anyone has said that about anime?

31: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)00:56Yeahx1

Thanks to the gods, DB has returned to being the strongest content, and I love it.

32: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:00

It’s like, “Huh?” when someone says Whis is stronger than Beerus.

33: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:06

It’s one thing to become strong, but becoming strong through some strange ritual is…

35: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:07Yeahx2

>>33That has already been done with the Elder Kai and the Old Kai, through potential unleashing and fusion…

38: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:11

The idea of becoming a god by gathering the energy of Saiyans with righteous hearts is nonsensical.

43: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:14Yeahx3

>>38That’s a huge hassle.
If you start saying that, then the transformation into Super Saiyan itself is meaningless, right?

40: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:13Yeahx1

I haven’t cared about being stronger than Goku since the Cell saga.

41: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:13

The power tournament and the farce are just too much of a farce.
There was a universe that was erased before that, but it’s Trunks’ universe.

45: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:14

>>41Where is it…

42: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:13

Being a challenger is good.
I want you to challenge yourself and I want you to win.
On top of that, I want you to bring out even stronger ones.

44: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:14Yeahx1

The problem is not that someone is stronger than Goku.
The development being completely uninteresting is really bad.
It has become clear that the process is important, even if the result is the same.

46: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:15Yeahx1

>>44It was interesting, but…

48: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:15Yeahx1

>>44I found it interesting and enjoyable, so I guess I win.

47: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:15Yeahx6

I can see some obvious responses that say, “I really want to hit!” so try to hide it a little more.

54: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:20

>>47Isn’t it normal for there to be opinions saying it wasn’t interesting since it was a topic that had both supporters and opponents?

49: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:16

It’s good to take on challenges, but it ended without even a hint of being able to catch up, let alone surpass.

55: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:20

>>49It’s amazing how this guy bites back even to the point of saying they can’t continue because the original author has died.
You’re just someone who will take anything if it’s offered.

50: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:17Yeahx1

It’s fine that strong guys keep appearing.
It’s too late to act after thinking about it! It’s like, “Whoa, did you forget Mr. Popo’s training?”
You just explode your power at the moment of attack from a natural state! And then it’s like, “Did you forget what you were doing on Namek?”
Did you make it without rereading the old works? That point really bothered me a lot.

51: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:17

In the original work, the last major boss that could be properly defeated in a one-on-one fight is Frieza.

52: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:19

The battle with Beerus aside, from then on it’s been intense with surprise beams, the disappearance of Trunks’ world, Hit’s growth, and everything else except for the end of the Tournament of Power, but if you were able to enjoy it, then that’s all good.

53: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:20

I feel like I could honestly win against Beerus now, even though I haven’t fought him.
I can’t see a vision where Wis can win.

57: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:22Yeahx2

It’s the fault of the gods in this world for being too weak until now.

60: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:25

>>57The hierarchy within the god category is amazing.

58: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:23Yeahx1

The Omni-King didn’t need anyone.

59: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:24

The Zamasu arc is not only about the final developments but also about a continuous series of “We can’t win! Let’s go home!”
It’s the Demon Sealing Wave! Let’s learn the Demon Sealing Wave! I’ve learned it! Ah! I can’t use the Demon Sealing Wave! And so on.
Did you create it while thinking about the development? That’s amazing.

61: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:28

>>59First of all, Goku is so stupid that he’s at a mentally challenged level…

62: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:31

If Gohan takes it a little seriously, Goku is no match.

63: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:31

No matter how much the story expands, I can’t help but feel that it ultimately leads to a dead end, which seems kind of pointless.

65: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:33Yeahx1

It feels like Beerus is still holding back in the Toyotarou version.
In the anime version, I was sweating coldly seeing the combination of Super Saiyan Blue and Kaioken.
It seems that the gap with Goku has significantly narrowed.

67: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:35

What kind of Kaioshin develops techniques that even a god of destruction would break into a cold sweat?

69: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:38

>>67The concept of the technique could be devised, but its realization was impossible.
Someone who has realized something has appeared… scary…

68: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:35

If there’s such a huge gap that it can’t even be a contest, it’s boring, you know?

70: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:39

Speaking of which, the Kaioken had already become less prominent by the Namek Saga, and it felt like the Super Saiyan form had a much greater boost, so why hadn’t it been used until now? It comes out with such momentum…

71: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/14(Sat)01:40

Even though the character is specifically mentioning it, that’s quite a stretch, isn’t it?
It’s been said for a long time that no matter how stable the Super Saiyan state gets, the energy will still fluctuate, so it makes quite a bit of sense.

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