On May 10, it was only the Choshu Domain that engaged in the expulsion of foreigners! A cannonball hit an enemy ship – or rather, even within the Choshu Domain, most were hesitant saying, “Attacking foreign ships is a bit…” So before the higher-ups gave the go-ahead, Kusaka and his friends took the lead, sent out warships, and went ahead with a bang. Huh? Are we really doing this? Are you serious?
Why are civilian ships causing such a commotion…?
I don’t really understand the significance of attacking the Satsuma ship.
Because it is expulsion of foreigners.
It looks like it was done on a whim in the end.
>>3That’s right!
>>3The seaweed I saw in the rice field.
>>29That’s the source material!
>>163Ah
Boon
Ah
Boom
Somewhere…
It’s Yongming Learning.
It’s too much like a developing country in the midst of civil war…
At that time, Japan was a developing country.
>>6It was an era where there were few advanced countries and they were not in sync.
Mr. Shōin is also rejoicing in hell.
Friends!?
Shimonoseki War?
If it doesn’t have this kind of kitschy feeling,
There were so many people that it can only be explained by the presence of a madman who had made up their mind…
Incidentally, the first victim of the bombardment by Choshu, which was the trigger for the Shimonoseki War, was an unarmed American ship.
As for the second ship, it is the vessel of the only Dutch ally of the shogunate for 300 years.
You’re too indiscriminate, Choshu…
It’s a gruesome murder case, but compared to the recent spread of the fact that the victim was a foreigner in the Namamugi incident…
The Choshu, which unilaterally attacks defenseless ships, is quite a bit too reckless.
I was told by overseas forces to pay compensation, but the Choshu domain completely ignored it.
I read an article that claimed this responsibility lies with the Tokugawa shogunate, which forced the Tokugawa side to pay compensation.
>>14By the way, Satsuma also had both the total reparations for Japan before the Anglo-Satsuma War and the reparations as the Satsuma Domain after the war covered by the shogunate.
In the Meiji era, it was dismissed with “Shogunate? They are gone, so there’s no one to repay, right?”
>>14It’s an extreme opinion, but the shogunate that hastily decided on the exclusion of foreigners for the sake of temporary relief does have its faults.
I suggested that I would like to set up a discussion before the Satsuma-British War, so I want you to come ashore.
When the British representative arrived, we intended to slaughter them, but it seems we have less killing intent than the Satsuma.
>>15A warship with combat capability has entered Kagoshima Bay, so this is not before the war; we are definitely in the midst of a war.
After losing terribly, Choshu said, “It’s only because the Kokura clan on the opposite bank didn’t support us that we lost!”
After making excuses, they unlawfully occupied the territory of the Kokura Domain.
Satsuma and Choshu…
It’s laughable that you might end up being leased indefinitely after starting a fight yourself.
Katsura hasn’t been appearing lately, but what is she doing during this time?
>>21I heard an amazing story about overseas from Katsu Kaishu!
When I told the elder Shuufu Masanobu, “I want to study abroad too!”
“I was rejected with ‘It’s out of the question for someone like you, who has become an essential part of Choshu, to leave Japan!'”
By the way, the ones who studied abroad instead were Inoue Kaoru and Ito Hirobumi.
The worst part is Mito; it was so extreme that everyone died and there were no people to put forward after the Restoration.
Since this kind of person was in power, pre-war Japan must have been in a terrible state.
But the person who shot it…
I think it’s already hopeless if we can’t sink merchant ships with two warships…
Satsuma lost badly, but there are also accounts that the British side had a favorable reaction towards Satsuma.
Chinese officials quickly fled, but it seems that the Japanese nobility fought on the front lines, demonstrating their “noble duty,” which was impressive.
>>26Originally, there was some sympathy for the idea that Richardson, who crossed the procession, was at fault in the Namamugi incident…
It seems they fell in love with Satsuma’s authenticity during the post-war negotiations.
That said, there was probably also a aim to oppose France, which had aligned itself with the shogunate.
Isn’t Kusaka Genzu a crazy guy?
Isn’t it amazing how people back then managed to reach the Meiji era after doing things like this?
>>28It’s just that the crazy people are standing out; there are definitely smart people in each faction!
>>35It was them who instigated it!
>>36Those fools who attack without thinking need to die thoroughly in battle, or they will leave behind troubles.
When I read something like “Fūunji-tachi,”
(These guys have quite a live feeling, don’t they?)
Events like that keep coming up more and more.
There are many episodes that reflect the chaos of the Bakumatsu period.
The geniuses who were said to have led the end of the Edo period quickly died out.
Although they were in the second team at Matsushita Village School, Ito and others who witnessed the reality overseas built the foundation of Japan, which seems to be quite an optimal solution in history.
>>32If you practice the teachings of Professor Shōin, that’s how it turns out… The more exceptional you are, the more dangerous it becomes, and you die young.
Why are there such explosive people like this?
It’s hard to believe that such an intellectual governance was possible after the Restoration.
>>34The crazy people from Choshu died before the Meiji Restoration, and Satsuma also lost a lot later on.
Is Nagai Gagaku about to die soon?
>>38
Kusaka Genzui’s assertion that we should shift to “immediate expulsion of foreigners” means that treaties made without regard for the Emperor should be annulled, and after driving out foreign nations, we must renegotiate treaties on our own terms! The faction of Choshu argues that we should strengthen Japan through trade, based on Nagai Masakoto’s “Maritime Distant Policy,” so that we can engage on equal footing with other countries. The intellectual gentleman Nagai Masakoto is pursued to the point of seppuku by Kusaka, who sees him as a political rival. As a result of this change in factional stance, about 20 individuals during this period lost their lives or were imprisoned. In the Choshu domain at that time, it was not unusual for politicians who lost in political struggles to die.
I casually died from narration.
It’s great that we all know that the people we’re currently getting along with will end up fighting each other tragically later on.
Doesn’t Japan have a lot of crazy people these days?
>>41If everyone were a peace-loving person who avoids conflict, Japan would probably not exist by now, so that’s fine.
>>48“To abandon everything for the future in this current era.”
There’s no one like that.
What would have happened if each country had prioritized their pride and attacked with their fleets at that time?
>>42Countries engage in brawls outside the arena and return without any consequences.
>>42The furious nations returned two months later with a combined fleet and completely leveled Choshu as if its cannons had never existed.
That is the Shimonoseki War.
>>42Because priority is given to maintaining face, nothing happens.
After the UK faced backlash from China for its unreasonable actions, negotiations with Japan will turn into a power struggle among the countries.
And the Netherlands, which is unconditionally kind to Japan.
>>52Why…?
I often see phrases like “Is it a Satsuma?” online, but the actual Satsuma was frighteningly skilled in intrigue and strategy.
Can you choose between violence and something else?
>>44The entire Kyushu was a land of savages, and it was because I was wise that I was able to win.
>>44The first lord of the Satsuma domain, Shimazu Tadayoshi, is also famous for his cunning among the DQN Four Heavenly Kings…
>>44It’s pretty bad that despite being on the Mouri side at Sekigahara, they haven’t had their territory confiscated.
>>53If we only confiscate and don’t provide a place for exile, then it will end up with a chest like Sekigahara…
The most suitable place for exile was the southern tip of Kyushu.
It is fundamentally a world before the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, so that’s how it is.
Even in China and Korea, it’s really something explosive!
I like the interpretation of Yoshida Shoin in the thread image.
The vibe of student movements
I’ve seen various stories from the Bakumatsu period, but Kusaka is clearly acting in a way that makes you wonder why…
Can someone knowledgeable explain why?
>>55Shoin: “Lose your mind.”
>>55It means that being a high disciple of Yoshida Shoin signifies that one has inherited that essence.
Takasugi probably would have done something similar if he hadn’t died from illness.
>>55Isn’t it because they monopolize trade?
>>70Recently, the Netherlands’ overseas trade has been declining.
Important bases are being plundered by places like the UK and the US.
>>70Unlike other countries where trade and missionary work were linked, Dutch merchants only thought about making money, which is why the shogunate allowed them to trade.
The results were incredibly profitable, and since I can convey European information to Japan through myself, it’s easy to manipulate impressions.
Well, since they are a valued customer, I didn’t want to let them go.
A valuable intellectual uncle
Hey, let’s read “Ooi Ryoma” at the same time too!
>>62Even if it takes the form of Ashikaga Takauji…
Since I’m not well-versed in history, reading this makes me think that Kusaka Genzu is an unbelievable crazy guy.
>>63It’s so extreme that even Takasugi would back off.
In the scene of the Forbidden Gate Incident in “Oii Ryoma,” it would be nice if my heart were like Masashige Kusunoki… There are also strange moments where I’m hitting the brakes.
>>63Go mad.
Isn’t it lame that both Mōri and Shimazu are having Tokugawa wipe their backsides?
>>65It is natural for the shogunate, which issued the anti-foreign policy to each domain, to take responsibility for its actions, isn’t it?
>>65Well, the shogunate has also been wiped by Satsuma before.
It’s hard to get excited unless a crazy guy like the one in the thread leads, especially in Japan.
In the case of the thread image, the fact that it died early on and didn’t leave any lingering regrets afterward is also a strong point.
I envy the prefectures where the Sengoku period and the Bakumatsu are interesting.
>>71At our place, it wasn’t Japan yet around that time…
The Yellow Turban Rebellion was significant for the movement of history.
The man, Kusaka Genzui, who was asked if he would marry Shouin-sensei’s sister but refused by saying, “I don’t want to because she’s ugly,” and got angry.
The people who got hot-headed over the overthrow of the shogunate also uniformly died.
Next is our era! The guys whose heads got heated will die a lot in the southwest after this.
After that, many people died in the Russo-Japanese War.
Nagai Masayuki is really pitiful.
>>77“Because I was treated like a traitorous minister who sold Master Shōin to Edo, there’s nothing I can do about it.”
>>81It seems that Shōin’s thoughts were somewhat similar to maritime long-range strategies.
>>88Let’s board the black ships to understand our enemies! The origin is the same after all.
Mr. Nagai is different in thinking that trade and strengthening the nation by military power should be led by the shogunate.
For the anti-shogunate and anti-foreign forces like Kusaka and others, it was all about “Out, out, out!”…!
Satsuma-English War
Britain began to highly value Satsuma through peace negotiations and deepened their relationship (two years later, Minister Harry Parks visited Satsuma, and interpreter Ernest Satow built personal relationships with many Satsuma samurai). The Satsuma side also came to understand the superiority of Western civilization and military power, strengthening their friendship with Britain. At this time, Satsuma presented oranges to the British side, which is why the name for the Japanese mandarin in the UK became “Sathuma.”The ending was somehow not good.
>>78Is it something like sweet potato…?
Yoshida Toramaru probably only gives the impression of being the mastermind behind PEACE MAKER or the main antagonist from the perspective of the Shinsengumi.
Takasugi worked hard to include the marginalized classes who were unable to join when the Kiheitai was formed, striving to create a truly non-discriminatory unit. He is a good person.
The glasses-wearing samurai doing dogeza with his head bowed everywhere eventually returns to his long head Choshu and starts rampaging…
Since Satsuma received pigs, they have become a specialty product, right?
The perpetrator of the arson attack on the British Embassy has
Alright, I’m going to study abroad in the UK and learn about the world! Was what happened really historical fact?
>>84Yes…
>>84If you know your enemy, you’ll be safe.
>>84Because they see the other party as a threat, when they actually get the chance to see the inner workings, they will definitely be delighted.
>>84It’s a fact, but…
Hirobumi Ito killed a scholar named Tadayasu Hama who was investigating the ceremonies of the deposed emperor just a few days after the arson, so he was extremely irritable.
>>84Hirobumi Ito was involved in assassinations and the burning of embassies, and since he was homeless, a prime minister’s residence was built for him to live in.
>>98When you put it all together, it’s surprising that someone like this is recorded in history as the first Prime Minister…
>>84It’s all surprising, isn’t it… I was also shocked when I looked at the textbook.
Well, there are many who haven’t had a good death, so it’s safe.
My hometown responded to the Kamikaze Connection and started a rebellion of samurai, but it was quickly suppressed.
So, the police have already had their first fallen officer.
I hope Kawazu~ touches on the police being created in the story…
I think it’s likely that there was a background where the pattern of doing things recklessly without confirming with those above has been frequent until losing to the United States.
>>89Is it just Choshu?
>>120Miura Goro… oh, he’s from Choshu…
It’s terrible that later on, the Restoration group would all say, “Looking back, what Nagai said was right and it wasn’t something we should have died over.”
>>90Ah, the cruelty.
Samurai are barbaric, so it can’t be helped.
So, well, Kusaka ultimately ends up dying.
I was joking, but I really think “the story progresses without any of the characters understanding what’s going on” is true.
>>97Japan really had no leaders around the time of the Meiji Restoration.
It seems that the entire nation became enthusiastic and voluntarily modernized.
Trivia
Interpreter Ernest Satow
It was originally not the case that they were naturalized in Japan under this name.
There are probably fewer times when we move forward while understanding everything completely.
Is Yoshida Shoin famous?
>>101Is it Master Shōin?
>>102In the end, it was the death penalty…
After this, Choshu, which was extremely busy, was defeated badly in the Shimonoseki War and suffered a non-combat defeat in the Choshu Expedition, leading to Takasugi Shinsaku, who was irritated by the conservative government, staging a coup.
Ito Hirobumi, who was assassinated in Korea.
It’s interesting that he is one of the top participants in the Choshu patriots’ assassination groups (though it doesn’t say he actually cut and killed anyone).
I think it’s easy to understand that in every era, everyone is fighting for their own interests.
In this age, everyone is fighting to improve Japan.
>>108It is not about improving Japan.
I am working to suppress differing opinions.
>>115After persuading the main characters’ principles to respect the emperor and expel the foreigner in the game “The Storm of the Restoration” long ago.
This time, I was really engrossed in the game of leaning towards opening the country and restoring the shogunate.
From the foreign perspective, it must have been quite difficult to deal with local lords who start conflicts on their own despite having already communicated with the central government.
>>110So the person above, Mr. Ernest Sato, is…
“The shogun is ultimately just the top of the military, so it’s better to negotiate with the emperor and the various regional alliances.”
I love the gag where Shimazu Hisamitsu, being told with a smile that “we cut off foreigners during the Namamugi Incident,” panics like crazy.
Ishii Hiromu once caused trouble by wanting to eat fugu (which was banned at the time).
Well, you see.
The late Edo period had rather light lives.
Mainly because of Satsuma and Mito.
>>114It is also due to the purges of the shogunate.
The reaction when Itō Hirobumi was assassinated was roughly like, “Hahaha! That guy got assassinated, huh!” showing the brutality of the political world.
These guys are mocking the shogunate’s diplomacy.
>>121This glue did not change until the end of the pre-war period.
Groups that boldly left mocked the government’s diplomacy and overturned it through a coup.
>>121The people of the shogunate were really working hard when viewed in hindsight…
There are also old men from Mito, though.
>>127The one who understands the situation in foreign countries and the current state of Japan the best is the shogunate…
But the various clans and ronin, who don’t quite understand, are causing a mess.
>>127I’m doing my best, though.
It’s undeniable that I was quite behind and lacking in ability, so in the end, it was indeed a limit.
>>121Because the shogunate was below worthless and could do nothing, but the Meiji government laid the groundwork for equal negotiations.
I think there are aspects of the struggles in the Middle Ages where the individuals involved were trying to improve the world in their own way.
Isn’t Satsuma quite a bit more rational?
>>125I think Satsuma was unable to act because their internal leadership was in disarray.
Source of trolling, harassment, and confusion.
Saigo Takamori
>>128Who is Yoshida Shoin?
>>131Madman
>>131I wonder if this is the source of Japan’s long-standing populism.
>>136If they were the type to pander to the masses, wouldn’t it be different?
>>144No, the source of the theory of shifting responsibility.
>>128I’m just chasing the shadow of Prince Ai.
It’s impossible for my country bumpkin little brother.
>>128A little too much.
Bakumatsu is really interesting…
I wanted to read more of “Fuu un ji-tachi.”
>>130There seems to be various parts that are incorrect.
Basically, I’ve learned from that, so my sense of the Bakumatsu period is based on “Fuunji-tachi.”
Mito is crap.
Mr. Shōin was caught again, but will he return like always?
Suddenly started talking about an assassination plan that I didn’t even ask about…
As for whether the shogunate is doing well, hmm…
The origin of it all was that they were acting arrogantly, and then when the black ships came, they changed their attitude.
>>138I think it was a wise decision to limit the opening of the country by accepting the unequal treaties.
>>149That’s not it; they should just decide it within the shogunate, but they’re asking the emperor for approval.
Because I was told to expel the barbarians, I had no choice but to do it, and that’s connected to the image in the thread.
>>138That’s not it… It was because the Opium War happened first.
There’s no way I can win against something like this!!!!!!!!!!
I think the most confusing thing about Satsuma is the Satsuma-British Alliance.
>>140Fighting on the riverbank with the sunset behind us, that kind of vibe.
>>146Don’t let the national and local governments form alliances like that!
>>158Local government?
Is this really a country?
>>162The Edo Shogunate was not a centralized state but a federation.
>>162That’s why it’s the Empire of Japan.
>>158I think it’s really gutsy to say “I’m from Satsuma Ryukyu” and just barge into the Paris Expo.
And Japan is like a confederation of states similar to the North German Confederation, and it was also easy to understand that there was a case like that over there.
>>140After a serious confrontation, we didn’t yield during post-war negotiations!!! Then we both thought, these guys are interesting… it’s a rare case.
>>140When I bravely charged at the class leader, it felt like my courage was acknowledged.
>>150In order to keep France and Russia, who were similarly targeting Japan, in check, it is necessary to have expendable pawns that can be sacrificed.
Yoshida Shoin’s disciples are good, but…
Yoshida Shoin himself is just too crazy.
>>145The domain that effectively let Matsushin run wild is equally guilty.
If the shogunate had truly worked hard, overthrowing it would have been impossible.
>>152Well, the late shogunate is just a piece of crap that gets heavier on oppression and plunder while being truly useless.
There’s no way a system with so many feudal lords can undergo transformation, so the downfall of the shogunate is inevitable.
The shogunate has too few incompetent bureaucrats.
The centralized government that increased the number of bureaucrats by two digits is absolutely necessary, so the shogunate is an obstacle.
>>156Yet, the overall system has an extraordinarily high number of hereditary public servants.
>>156It was like the person who became the model for the samurai household accounts; with the Meiji era, anyone who could perform arithmetic, regardless of their domain, was appointed one after another.
>>172If you’re going to create a centralized state, you have to consider the bureaucrats, after all.
In reality, it’s really significant that this was done properly.
Choshu is a region that has historically been disliked for certain reasons.
It’s something like what we now call Israel.
Do the people of Satsuma view Takamori Saigo as a hero like Yoshida Shoin did?
Whether it’s true or false, it seems that there are still some people who have a bad relationship between the people of Fukushima and those from Yamaguchi.
I think they are indeed elderly.
It’s not that some faction is bad and shallow-minded, but rather that everyone was clever and trying to handle things smartly.
>>168There are many aspects where it’s inevitable due to the significant difference in the accuracy and speed of information.
After the Sengoku period ended, they continued to bully the provinces to weaken their power, and it seems that the central authority has significantly declined, which is not good for the shogunate.
>>169In the 1800s, some clans began to ignore the sankin-kotai system, clearly showing a decline in the shogunate’s authority over the daimyo.
>>175Satsuma has money and status, so they go about things diligently, but there are some places that make excuses saying they don’t have that kind of leisure and stop doing it.
Taka, who had been the big boss for a long time, died, but with the police establishment as the final episode, what is the current progress percentage?
I was saved by being in an island nation.
>>171China was being attacked from the sea.
Isn’t this period irrelevant now?
>>171It’s not just a matter of being an island nation; after the Anglo-Satsuma War, the shogunate was paying reparations.
I’m just glad it ended up that way.
No matter how strong Britain is, they cannot conquer Japan alone, so a puppet is necessary.
Since the Age of Exploration, using local discontented elements as collaborators has been fundamental.
>>174It sounds like a story about siding with local tribes in Africa and selling enemy tribes as slaves.
>>181It is something that has been done in Africa for a long time.
Before the Westerners came, slaves captured by Arabs were being sold.
It’s just that I’m glad that Lin Zexu didn’t meet the same fate in the Opium Wars.
At the point when Satsuma was allowed that much power behind the scenes, the shogunate was already finished.
>>183When it comes to the story of when it was checkmated, it was already that Ieyasu himself foresaw it…
>>183Satsuma was rather quite on the side of the shogunate…
It just flipped over easily.
Because they make us do river control work in distant lands…
A system that controls through exploitation and forced labor will eventually reach its limits.
>>187The Edo Shogunate also devised ways to enrich the domains without allowing them to become overly wealthy or selfish.
After about 300 years, it would definitely be too much to handle.
Even so, unlike Kamakura and Muromachi, it maintained its facade for about 250 years.
The Edo Shogunate lasted a long time, right?
>>192The numbers are no different from the Muromachi period.
>>192There wasn’t much pressure on each domain, and they didn’t interfere with internal matters, so there were no particular problems.
>>202That’s an exaggeration.
Especially in the early stages, I was probably quite involved.
Himiko also had slaves in China, so that’s how it goes.
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