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[The Elusive Samurai] The theory that the Ashikaga Shogunate is akin to New Japan Pro-Wrestling is so interesting that the thread participants are confused, lol.

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Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:44Yeahx16

I wondered why no one stopped him when Yoshimitsu, despite having lost, was taking charge of awarding merits and honors.
When Antonio Inoki was ousted in a coup at New Japan Pro-Wrestling
“Listen up, you guys! Don’t play sneaky tricks! Come at me all at once. I’ll take you all on! Try cutting off my head! Fujinami, Sakaguchi, you too!”
It seems that when he screamed, the coup faction got scared, and as a result, Inoki ended up returning as president.
Well, I was convinced that it was something like this.

1: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:45Yeahx2

Hey!

2: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:46Yeahx67

A sight I’ve only seen in New Japan Pro-Wrestling and the Ashikaga Shogunate.

3: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:46Yeahx29

So why are Yoshitsune and Inoki strangely linked!?

93: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:46

>>3Because it is a situation that involves people.

136: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:07

>>3Ashikaga Takauji
Antonio Inoki
Almost a match!!!

5: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:47Yeahx17

The Ashikaga regime = I really like the new theory.

6: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:49Yeahx1

>>5The image of Yoshitsune that can be read from the books doesn’t really convey the rawness like Inoki, but it’s really interesting how what he does oddly overlaps.

9: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:53Yeahx40

Was professional wrestling an imaginary existence…?

39: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:15Yeahx7

>>9Pro wrestling has a book.
The Ashikaga Shogunate has the Taiheiki.

10: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:53

Professional wrestlers are entertainers, but they are not fictional characters.

11: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:54

Nanboku-chō Deathmatch

12: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:54Yeahx23

Sponsor: “Do you really think you can get by without Inoki?”
New Japan wrestlers: “Indeed…”
Inoki remains, Shinma Toshiyuki is held responsible and fired.

“The royal family of North Korea: ‘Do you really think you can manage without Yoshitomo?'”
The warriors of the North: “Indeed…”
Takanori Takashina was held responsible and fired for remaining loyal to Yoshitsune.

47: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:24Yeahx7

>>12Neck (Physics)

13: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:54Yeahx12

Reality ≠ Pro Wrestling
Unreality = Professional Wrestling = Taiheiki

14: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:54Yeahx7

When you are cornered
Try to sever my neck!
It seems like something Takauji would say.

15: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:55

Wrestlers are beings of fantasy.

16: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:55Yeahx13

A Basara daimyo is basically just a fighter who wants to stand out, so they are almost like a pro wrestler.

17: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:57

Collection of Famous Quotes by Ashikaga Takauji
Try cutting my neck!
Is there anyone who thinks about losing before they even fight?
If you have energy, you can do anything.

20: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:01Yeahx1

>>17There was a reason for Yoshitsugu’s developed jaw.

18: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)17:59Yeahx7

A man whose scale is so grand that it looks good from a distance, but getting involved brings nothing but trouble.
That is Antonio Inoki.

19: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:00

My younger brother won, but since the older brother and younger brother are like one body, it makes sense to say that Yoshitoki actually won.

21: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:01

Is there really someone like Takashi Suneo in New Japan?

22: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:02

Magazine direct shot?

103: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:51

>>22He is probably taking pictures of manga panels from a jump magazine with his smartphone.

24: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:05Yeahx7

I can’t see my bright future!!

25: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:05Yeahx4

My younger brother and Takashi are both blindly trusting Yoshinori, and it doesn’t seem particularly strange in this manga; it’s all about Yoshinori’s achievements and rewards.

28: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:08Yeahx11

>>25It’s unusual for the warriors who fought and won, not just the top leaders, to accept punishment.

44: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:21

>>28They gathered solely to defeat師直.
In short, it’s unexpected that Yoshimitsu will participate in the battle.

65: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:36

>>28In this situation where Tomoyoshi won’t support me, can I really go against Yoshimitsu…?

26: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:07Yeahx1

If Inoki appears in next week’s commentary, I’m definitely going to laugh.

27: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:08Yeahx2

In the end, Inoki was too strong as a wrestler, and the guys around him got scared and shrank back.
If you think that Yoshitsugu’s strong presence as a samurai ultimately intimidated those around him and made them retreat, then it makes some sense.

29: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:09Yeahx3

I will! Do professional wrestling in this shogunate!!

33: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:10Yeahx4

>>29“Well, everyone has their own feelings, so let’s put that aside for now.”

30: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:09Yeahx1

It’s frustrating because Inoki’s method feels more realistic than a brainwashing beam.
Well, in later generations, it might be said that Inoki was firing brainwashing beams as well.

31: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:09

You have to think about strength, not logic or ethics.

32: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:10Yeahx1

The squid seems tough.

35: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:13

>>32Look closely at the image.

34: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:13Yeahx2

Well, the shogunate is just a gathering of samurai after all.
At that time, the samurai were just attention-seeking, narcissistic fighters, like professional wrestlers.
It has a high affinity with professional wrestling organizations, which are gatherings of professional wrestlers.

36: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:13

Stop the rumors about Yoshitsune pouring money into strange ventures!
Well, it seems like they would do it…

38: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:15Yeahx3

>>36Strange business (Establishment of Tenryu-ji Temple)

78: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:40Yeahx5

>>38Tenryuu is like that…

83: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:43

>>78Is it really Inoki…?

37: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:14Yeahx1

The theory of Takauji = Inoki is interesting because it also fits the theory of Toshiaki = Shinma.

41: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:17Yeahx6

>>37新間寿はアイデアマンで能力も高くてただプロレスラーじゃないのに猪木の権力を傘に着て滅茶苦茶やって周りから反発されて最後は猪木に切り捨てられたから
He is similar to Takashirakawa, who was an idea man with high abilities but lacked legitimacy, faced resistance from those around him, and ultimately was discarded by Yoshimitsu.
The whole thing, including the ending, is just the same.

40: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:15Yeahx5

Wrestling has a script, but…
Running a pro wrestling organization doesn’t have a script, you know.

42: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:18

You know that pro wrestling was born during the Northern and Southern Dynasties, right?

43: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:18Yeahx7

Shinma Kotobuki “I believed in Anton too much…”
Takarashi Nao “I trusted Lord Ashikaga too much…”

45: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:23Yeahx2

In the pro wrestling hell edition, I laughed at the scene where Kimura, who lost the hair-cutting match against Inoki and ran away without getting his hair cut, had to have Shinma’s head shaved instead.
In the pro wrestling hell edition, I laughed at the scene where Kimura, who lost the hair-cutting ma...

49: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:25Yeahx2

>>45Is he going to renounce the world due to responsibility…?

46: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:23Yeahx2

Niima Kazu “I still like Inoki-san.”
Takashi Naru: “As I thought, I like Lord Yoshimitsu.”

48: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:25

>>46Nishima Katsushi has continued to cooperate with Inoki’s Sports Peace Party after that, so he must really be losing it.
The Sports Peace Party collapsed due to Inoki’s tax payment issues.

50: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:27Yeahx3

Are you saying that in later generations, Inoki will be treated as someone who exuded a strange brainwashing aura?

51: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:28Yeahx11

>>50It seems like I was treated that way even while I was alive.

52: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:28Yeahx1

>>50Yes

53: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:29

The Inoki Q&A is just too much; he’s such an overwhelming charisma.

54: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:30Yeahx1

It may be that Inoki acted on his own to venture north because the soul of Yoshitsune residing within him whispered to go north.

55: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:31

Is the Hojo family Rikidozan?

56: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:32

Rikidozan is not Minamoto no Yoritomo, is he?

68: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:37

>>56I think it’s GODAIGO.

57: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:34Yeahx1

It seems like there was an intense angle in this scene.

58: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:34Yeahx1

It was said that Yoshitsune’s actions were incomprehensible, but thinking of him as Inoki really makes it click.

59: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:35Yeahx3

Don’t underestimate Tough’s provocation.
“No joke, I could write ‘What is the true identity of this man…!?’.”

60: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:35

In the future, Inoki may be remembered as an enigmatic figure like Yoshimitsu.

61: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:35

Is Mr. Baba not in the Taiheiki? What about Riki?

63: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:36

>>61There are no decent people like Baba-san in the Nanboku-chō period.
There are many people like Rikidozan.

62: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:36

Does Sonshi want to retire or not?

66: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:36Yeahx2

>>62I’m retired, but it’s like the late Inoki, who couldn’t be content unless he was always at the center.

64: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:36

When I compared Antonio Inoki and Ashikaga Takauji
Choshu Riki’s life overlaps with Sasaki Doyō.

72: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:38

>>64I think Choshu Riki is the Takeda clan of Kai.
Because it erupted with magma in the middle of hell and met its demise.

75: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:39

>>72The times are too different.

67: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:37

Did Inoki reincarnate as Yoshimitsu?

71: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:37

>>67Hmm!?

69: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:37

Toyotaka might also be found in the Taiheiki.

70: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:37

It’s an eye-opener…

73: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:38

Was the Taiheiki a book…?

80: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:41

>>73In part, yes.

88: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:45Yeahx1

>>73How are you?
It’s a military chronicle.

74: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:39

Why is there such an incomprehensible collage?

76: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:40

So, that means Sonshi was a professional wrestler!?

79: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:41Yeahx2

>>76If the times were different, the battle between Ashikaga Takauji and Muhammad Ali might have taken place.

81: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:42

>>76We conducted an interview with Professor Kajiwara in search of the truth.

77: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:40

A new truth about professional wrestling has been revealed again.
For now… let’s just prepare.

82: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:42Yeahx2

With an imperial decree, anything is possible!

84: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:43

Is it a imperial decree?!

85: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:43Yeahx2

Pro Wrestling Superstar Legends = Taiheiki

97: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:48

>>85The Taiheiki depicts an era of conflict, yet it bears the title “Taihei,” meaning peace.
Superstar Chronicles is…

86: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:43

One possibility, considering it without divine power, might be that the younger brother didn’t want to let go.
Even without mentioning divine power, we are brothers.

94: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:46

>>86Well, it’s true that Nakatsuguna doesn’t have enough popularity to exclude Yoshitomo.
Naofuyu, who resembles a charismatic mass of energy, appears there like Yoshitsune.

87: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:44

Simply put, at this time, Kiyonori is on the Southern Court side and as the shogun, he has the largest military force, so no one can oppose him.

89: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:45

To be serious, it seems my younger brother never really thought about taking over and managing the world in place of my older brother.

90: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:45

Since this is not a proper pro wrestling thread, I’ll ask: Are the processes of coups and conflicts in pro wrestling, from start to finish, all scripted?
The feeling that decent adults shouldn’t engage in corporate takeovers or brawls clashes with the feeling that such things might happen in professional wrestling.

98: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:48Yeahx2

>>90No, it’s just that Inoki poured company money into suspicious businesses and became unable to pay the salaries of the athletes and staff, so he was almost expelled. If that was a book, it would be impressive in a different way.

100: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:48

>>90There are groups that are based on a script.
WWE and so on
There may be cases without a script.
New Japan, etc.

91: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:45

I’m getting a bit tired of this, to be honest.
It’s fine for this person to be unreasonable, but the development is so incomprehensible that it has nothing to do with this person.

92: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:46

>>91It’s incomprehensible! Amazing! That’s already been said quite a bit, so I want to see Matsui’s interpretation, but it’s all wrapped up in divine power.

99: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:48

>>92I want you to do it with a sense of balance similar to that of Sadamune Ogasawara.
In other words, by giving the young master a lot of action despite being an irrelevant character, it makes the other amazing people feel somewhat underwhelming.

96: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:47

>>91When I think about it, it’s conceivable that pro wrestling, which often sees revolutions happen and get crushed, or ace wrestlers leaving, is filled with ups and downs.

95: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:47

Somuji… has incomprehensible behavior and fails in organizational management, but is charismatic and strong in battle.
Inoki… although there are incomprehensible actions and failures in organizational management, charisma and professional wrestling are strong.

101: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:50Yeahx1

I’ve been through a lot with Antonio Inoki, and even though I was tossed around by him, there are people who ultimately participated in his caregiving in his later years, so he must be someone with an indescribable charisma.

108: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:51

>>101Well, it’s not just talk; the person is putting their life on the line…
If that happens, I can’t complain.

102: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:50

It is famous that at this time, Ashikaga Takauji said that the man who had failed to seize the world had risen well.

104: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:51

>>102Isn’t that Riki Choshu!

105: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:51Yeahx2

It’s like New Japan was managing at a Muromachi period level.

111: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:52Yeahx3

>>105History enthusiast: “Is New Japan Pro-Wrestling managed like the Ashikaga shogunate…?”
“P-ota: Is the Ashikaga shogunate managed like New Japan Pro-Wrestling…?”

112: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:53

>>105What level is Japanese pro wrestling, which is said to be worse than that, in reference to Rikidozan’s dead language?

114: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:54

>>112Kenmu government

113: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:53

>>105Is a man who finds out about the shogunate’s financial situation in the Tokyo Sports newspaper really the ruler of the world?

106: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:51

What you’re saying is incoherent, but since the one in trouble is the disliked Naoyoshi, I guess it’s fine!
Let’s ride the big wave of Yoshimitsu!

107: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:51

The matter of Antonio Inoki being reborn as Yoshimitsu.
It seems like there might be something like that.

109: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:51

The character of Naoyoshi in the drama Taiheiki is so perfectly suited as a man who missed his chance to take the world that it’s interesting to watch, although it’s tragic.

110: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:52

Shinma Toshio has passed away… I learned about it through this kind of thread.

115: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:54Yeahx2

It’s amusing that Inoki and New Japan can offer a certain solution to the interpretation of Ashikaga Takauji that has troubled historians.

116: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:55

First Chief Steward of New Japan Pro-Wrestling, Hajime Shinma
Second-generation butler, Katsuji Nagashima

117: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:55

I understood the Muromachi period in New Japan!

118: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)18:58Yeahx1

Power struggles and factional disputes have existed throughout history and across the globe.
One of the few organizations that can follow the chaos of the Kanno Disturbance is New Japan Pro-Wrestling.

119: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:00

After all, it’s no wonder that Nobunaga, who operates logically even as a super genius, becomes popular.

120: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:00

Sonshi Bombaiye

121: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:01

When looked at calmly, it is indeed true that both Ashikaga Takauji and Antonio Inoki are just nothing but trash.

126: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:03

>>121No, they are not just trash.
It’s just too out of standard.
The business that Inoki started was not for personal gain, but rather a genuine consideration for the world and for people, resulting in innovations such as being a pioneer in biotechnology.
However, the surroundings are troubled by debts and other issues.

128: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:04

>>126Well, that just means Ashikaga Takauji is no better than Inoki and the others.

133: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:05

>>128No, Yoshitsugu was also sincerely thinking about the world and for the sake of others.
That’s why the people around me became unhappy.

122: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:01

As Inoki’s influence waned and indie promotions and shoot wrestling flourished, New Japan began to show signs of decline, marking an era of professional wrestling’s warring states.

123: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:01

After the genius Nobunaga and the prodigy Hideyoshi transformed and took control of Japan.
The beauty of the story in which the studious genius Ieyasu establishes a stable government.

125: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:02

Killing Rikidozan and killing Hojo are the same thing.

129: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:04

The collapse of the organization due to my death is a bad ending, as it clearly leads to the complete downfall of the Toyotomi family’s successor organization as well.

138: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:09

I wonder if Takauji was thinking about it…
For the sake of the world and for the sake of people…

139: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:09

There were times when the conflicts of the samurai were likened to the yakuza as a group of martial men, but professional wrestling organizations also have a surprisingly high affinity and their episodes are famous, so it’s convenient.

140: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:09Yeahx1

The management of New Japan Pro-Wrestling was a complete mess due to extremely rough estimates.
The Ashikaga shogunate became chaotic when Takauji granted the same territory to multiple people.

141: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:12Yeahx1

>>140Do your own job properly!

142: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:14

Why didn’t Akiko Yosano kill Takauji Ashikaga?

143: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:15

It seems like the two people below are fighting, and I was supporting one of them, but my younger brother won.
Well, I’ll decide on the reward.

It seems like there could be some strong-willed founders, right?

144: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:15

I felt that while I valued the affairs of the world, I didn’t understand the human heart.

145: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:16Yeahx2

If you look closely at the bottom left part, it’s an acrylic stand, isn’t it?
Why is there such an acrylic stand?

146: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/09(Mon)19:16

What is this guy?

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