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[Shigurui] Why did Yagyu set up Master Kogen?

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… Yanagimata Emomune no Norimune, Iwamoto Tora gan

1: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:26

Why did Yagyu set up Master Togan?Because I’m a gay sadist.

12: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:37

>>1There is no sadistic element at all.
I feel like I don’t want to be involved with this kind of person anymore.

79: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:59Yeahx2

>>1What’s interesting about this?

2: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:26Yeahx64

Having someone like this in the palace would be a problem.

23: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:47Yeahx3

>>2The Imperial Palace…?

87: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:17

>>2Even if they become an officer, it is likely that they will cause some sort of problem.
It’s not hard to imagine.

92: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:25Yeahx1

>>87Of course, if something goes wrong, it will lead to the question of who introduced such a person, and that will become a matter of responsibility.

3: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:28

Huh? I just sent proper advice since I lost completely, you know?

4: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:28Yeahx19

Do you think the Tora-Mitsu style can survive in the Tokugawa family?

5: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:29

Only being strong isn’t enough to handle this.

6: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:30

“You really plotted well, didn’t you! You didn’t do any sneak attacks afterward, did you, Master Tōgan?”
As expected, Yagyu’s guard was strong, I guess.

81: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:01

>>6If you retaliate, won’t the Tonganryu be taken down?
Tiger Eye isn’t that stupid.

7: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:31

If it were the Owari Tokugawa, maybe they could have done it with a tiger’s eye.
It’s crazy.

8: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:32

Honestly, does Kakegawa even have a dojo for someone like that in its castle town?
I think it’s quite risky.

9: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:32Yeahx10

If you attack the shogunate’s advisor, there will be no avoiding the destruction of the house.
It cannot be done in a samurai society that wishes for the prosperity of the household above all else.

10: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:35Yeahx10

I like how you tightly hide the grip with the hem, it’s cunning.

11: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:37

Hikita Bungoro is strong, but he was considered ill-suited, so it seems impossible.

13: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:37

If they had said it was a draw with a solemn expression, it is believed that they would have normally introduced it.

14: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:40Yeahx3

Why is that?

16: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:42Yeahx6

>>14Why did Fujiki say he was a natural-born warrior?

22: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:44

>>16I thought it might be fine if it’s the heir of a wealthy merchant…

15: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:41

How was Toga able to pass the “test”?

21: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:43Yeahx2

>>15In the first place, Yagyu and that person who is judging are close friends, so there’s no way to find a way out from the beginning.

17: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:42

But even Teacher Tegan can do it to some extent.

20: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:43Yeahx10

>>17Can you invite someone who only has a card like “heh heh” to an upper-class place during entertaining?

18: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:43

The sword may surpass Yagyu, but with the turmoil settled, having such a beast around…

68: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:37

>>18If that dark ruler were to master the Toganryu, it would truly be nothing but “a madman with a weapon”…

19: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:43Yeahx1

Hehe, the smile of social skills is creepy, or rather, it’s too deliberate and can be annoying to some people…

24: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:47Yeahx1

>>19Whether it’s contrived or not, what matters is showing that I am a mere underling who bows to your power…

25: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:48

I miss the Warring States period where only the strong could rise… or so they say.
Wouldn’t it have been better to rise in status during the Sengoku period?

26: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:48Yeahx9

>>25Please don’t be angry.
Since you haven’t risen in the Warring States period, isn’t it just 300 koku at most?

32: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:51Yeahx5

>>26A guy with no backing having 300 koku is just not normal!
In a small domain, you might end up at the end of the councilor’s rank!

33: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:51Yeahx5

>>26A mere swordsman serving as the swordsmanship instructor for the clan with a stipend of 300 koku is quite a prestigious position!
Ono Tadaaki of the Ono-ha Ittō-ryū had 600 koku!

27: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:48

It seems that when things aren’t ambiguous, the Kakegawa samurai were able to guide properly, so I think “hehe” is the minimum even during ambiguity.

28: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:49

Even in the Sengoku period, there are limits to how far one can rise based solely on exceptional martial skills.

34: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:52

>>28“It’s if you’re strong on the battlefield.”
If an individual could turn the tide of battle, that would be one thing, but…

29: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:50

It’s unclear whether Teacher Tiger Eye can engage in politics, so I can’t say anything definitive.

30: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:50

Looking at it again, Young Master Munekata is cool.

57: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:17Yeahx1

>>30It’s not as much of a beard as I thought!

31: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:51

No one knows what elements are necessary for a guide.
It’s a position for Yagyu and a dyeing shop in Kyoto.

35: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:53

We don’t need a swordsmanship-only style that seems even less suited than Tadaaki Ono.

44: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:56Yeahx1

>>35The name Kamiko Uenotenzan is so cool it almost seems fake.

46: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:01

>>44“The typical meal is an official title.”
However, since I have not received any official court rank or samurai title, it’s more of a self-proclaimed title or nickname.

36: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:53

During the Edo period, the domains that were not economically successful were really in the red, and it’s no laughing matter.

37: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:53Yeahx1

“Will I be taught the Tora Ganyuu style by the lord…?”

42: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:56

>>37To be honest, there’s a place that’s exclusively for teachers.

45: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:57

>>37The concept of obligation aside, there’s no need for swordsmanship guidance since it doesn’t train a lord to become first-class anyway.

59: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:21

>>45Kobon must have really trained Hikotomoto a lot.

38: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:54

In the manga, it briefly touches on the fact that the Kakegawa Domain is a small domain established for assistance.
That crazy dojo probably has the maximum budget allowed by the discretion of the pregnant elder Ishi.

41: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:55Yeahx6

>>38There’s no way that kind of arrangement would lead to that ending.

39: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:55

The Kakegawa Domain has an income of about 25,000 to 35,000 koku, so a family receiving just under 1% of the domain’s revenue as stipends would be considered quite successful…

40: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:55

It won’t work outside of Kakegawa.

43: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)00:56

Rather, I think it might have actually helped that they made a mistake here…
Even if I manage to do well there and get employed, I’ll probably end up doing something wrong and have to commit seppuku eventually…

47: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:04

I can’t recommend this to the general… I’ll crush it…

48: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:05

It’s amazing to turn swordsmanship into kendo and make it a stylish hobby.

49: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:07

Shigurui has too little human rights for the lower-ranked samurai.
On the contrary, how did Munemori get promoted?
That’s how it is…

55: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:13

>>49Although it is of course important to be liked, it is not just about swordsmanship; the ability to excel in education and governance, not to be pushy, and to demonstrate a complete absence of selfish desires, such as returning a territory to the shogun at the time of death, is a thorough survival skill.

50: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:10

It may be because it’s a minor dojo in Kakegawa that we’ve been able to do this.

54: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:13

>>50There are enough students filling the street in a line, so it’s not minor in the story!

51: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:11

Considering that, it’s pretty incomprehensible how Iori Miyamoto made such a big success coming from being a swordsman.

119: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:52

>>51That guy is seriously the same kind as Munemoto.
Becoming a chief retainer at a young age and serving as a chief retainer for generations.

52: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:11

Even if it was the Sengoku period, it was too late to gain fame through personal martial prowess.

53: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:12

It seems that Irako had more political power and would have been suitable as a successor.

71: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:42

>>53Isn’t the troublemaker more than Tōgan?

73: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:49Yeahx1

>>71Ilariko seems like he’s going to do unnecessary things, doesn’t he…?

56: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:14

If you leave it to Takedai-sama in the tiger’s eye and get sent flying by a finger, then even Muneharu can’t take responsibility.

58: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:18

The way of navigating society… it feels shallow to act proud in front of someone who can’t see anyway since they’re blind.

64: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:33

>>58I thought that was just a normal expression of being really angry.

60: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:26

There’s no way I could teach a crazy sword technique that relies on being able to grab the ceiling with my fingers to the lord!

61: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:27

Mr. Tora Ga has really worked hard in the race for promotion, hasn’t he?

62: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:28

It’s a different work, so it’s a different person, but when I see the abdominal art of Eiichi no Munemitsu, it makes me think that without that level of skill, one can’t survive in Edo Castle…

63: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:28Yeahx1

So I’ve mentioned the matter of obligation and forgiveness within the story, haven’t I?

65: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:33Yeahx1

It’s sad that the naive belief of a country bumpkin is to genuinely take hiding their fingers as if they are pretending to create a loan.

66: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:36

In the peaceful era, one cannot rise to power merely by swordsmanship alone.
It was just not simple…

67: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:37Yeahx1

That is not something to take seriously; there is no correct answer.
It is rude to show, and it is rude to hide; either way, you are turned away at the gate.

69: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:37

Perhaps if I wasn’t under the guidance of the Tokugawa family, I would have thought my current position was a satisfactory achievement…

70: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:42

In the first place, I was just lingering in Kakegawa, and suddenly getting guidance from the general is too much of a jump, Master Tōgan.

72: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:43

It’s a story of a swordsmanship school overshadowed by history.
For some reason, Kanoka Unryusai, who ran away with the victory and even opened a dojo, what is that all about?

88: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:22

>>72As a character from a later work, this resulted in only him winning big for the sake of consistency.

74: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:50

That Dr. Tora-gan making a silly laugh is just too shocking.

75: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:52

300 koku is still pretty amazing.
The fact that Munehara became a daimyo with ten thousand koku is just too incredible.
No other school of swordsmanship’s masters can even come close to half of that level, so it’s just that Munenori is extraordinary.

76: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:54

Monk Sōmoku is obsessed with political power, which is why the strength of the sword master in creation is often diminished.
Even as a swordsman, they’re amazing…

77: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:57

>>76It couldn’t be helped because the political power was too strong there.

78: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:57

>>76If we don’t nerf it, it’ll just turn into a wild protagonist.

80: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)01:59

If I were to show strength, I would want to show Ishibusai’s.

82: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:04

The Edo Yagyu, which started from 10,000 koku and later received further increases, is just too amusing.
Though it was once split and fell from power, it will return again.

83: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:06

If we’re talking about strength, then it must have been pretty intense in places like Kamiyama or in the world of Shigurui.

84: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:08

I think the reason why the lineage was passed on to Hyogo-suke instead of Munekata is what later leads to its negative portrayal.

85: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:12

Hehe.

86: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:13

I wonder how this came to be.
They won’t accept a dojo challenge.

93: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:25

>>86Because it’s a special school, we can’t participate in matches with other schools.
Miyamoto Musashi could only be faced by his disciples.
But well, it’s a work of fiction…

99: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:28

>>86I think when the teacher was young, their mind was sharp, so they put in a lot of effort and tried various tricks before facing the challenge.

89: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:23

However, after that, the premature deaths of the successors continued, leading to a decline…

90: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:23

Although it has a name, the crazy master lineage has died.
With that name recognition, Kaneko was able to become independent and has been very successful.

91: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:24

It resembles Teacher Fujiki from my younger days.

94: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:25

I think Toraigan-ryu is not good at navigating the world.

95: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:26

>>94There are zero candidates who seem teachable.

101: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:28

>>94Disciples have also become desperate farmers, townspeople, and yakuza.
A farmer’s child on the verge of being thinned out.
The Tiger Eye style is made up mostly of outcasts.

102: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:28

>>94I think I would have been active during the Bakumatsu period.

96: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:27

The phrase “Muzan muzam to dou ni utawareru no wa yoku mo waruku mo…” translates to “Being sung as ‘Muzan muzam’ by children is both good and bad…”

97: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:27

After defeating his high-ranking disciple, Musashi became friendly and continued to correspond with him, and when he opened his dojo…
Munerin is sending a letter asking to be nice to the lord of the land.

98: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:27Yeahx1

There’s no way I would adopt a bizarre swordsmanship style like this.

112: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:42

>>98If you say it’s just a one-shot trick, then that’s all it is.

100: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:28

The Tora Ganryu will properly forgive you if you pay the money…

103: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:30

I am a born warrior.

109: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:38

>>103I want to repay the favor of being picked up by my teacher when I had nowhere to go and could only die, with my whole existence.

118: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:52

>>109Come, shell guy.

104: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:31

Yagyu is ultimately just parlor swordsmanship.

105: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:32

Well, it seems that he wanted to go higher, but if someone with that personality made it to the top, they would definitely mess up. Given that even now there are important people who are big fans and really favor him, I think being treated the way he is in the story is the best outcome.

106: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:36

Having only one biological daughter or assassinating a fiancé to take a beautiful woman as a mistress.
I am pretending to collect money by visiting various dojos.
Even if the tiger’s eyes are not demented, it is inevitable that it will be resented or decline.

115: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:47

>>106Wasn’t it Genza’s unilateral decision?
It’s just a woman’s intuition, but if a revelation comes in such a tense situation, it probably fits the meta.

107: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:38

I wonder if Master Kogan can send disciples all over Japan to use them as monitors.

108: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:38

In the end, even with the Tiger Eye, I couldn’t control the cursed sword.

110: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:39

Despite being stronger than Munematsu… I am stronger…! You’ve really done it now!
I can’t possibly endure with 300 koku.
If it were true, it would be natural for me to be 10,000 koku, but I guess it’s unavoidable for Munemori to feel that way.

111: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:41

The members are too noticeable, like Irako, but no matter how hard they try from top to bottom, they can’t achieve greatness in Kakeru Kenpo.

113: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:46

I cannot see a vision of Yagyu’s top disciples defeating the residents of the Tiger-Eye dojo.
Both the master and the disciple are quite something, aren’t they?

122: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:56

>>113But what about Yagyu Jubei and Torako?

114: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:46

If it officially becomes a swordsmanship style of a shogun family or some daimyo’s house, it might actually lose its strength.
Oh, that’s a famous shooting star! It’s probably unavoidable to feel that way.

117: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:51

It is also training to strengthen one’s mental strength.
Turning the lord into a tiger is…

120: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:55

The Tiger Eye style might spread its name by returning with grace, but…
It’s a way that attracts too much hatred.
I think it should have shifted its strategy once it gained a certain level of recognition.

121: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:55

It’s similar to the Book of Five Rings, too.
If you succeed in becoming an influencer, you can advance in your career…

123: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/06(Fri)02:58

Looking at it this way, it’s Teacher Tōgan in his youth.
Your face looks like a cat.

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