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[Shigurui] The gap in political power is too large.

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… Yanagi Mataemon Munenori, Iwamoto Kogan.

Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:16Yeahx1

What is it?

1: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:18

Feudalism is scary, isn’t it?

2: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:20Yeahx15

>>1It seems like you’ve mostly risen up from karate, huh?

3: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:20Yeahx4

Yagyu is not an individual.

4: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:21

If one step goes wrong, Munekata could be blown away as well.

5: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:22

Rude person.

7: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:23

>>5It was the first moment I saw such a heavy statement of rudeness.

6: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:22Yeahx22

Yagyu is also juggling other responsibilities besides guidance, so everyone around probably thought (What is this guy doing? Can’t he read the room…)
Even without a mistake with my fingers, I would have been demoted for some other trivial matter.

8: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:28

My Discovery of the Best!

9: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:33Yeahx12

Although Yagyu was born in Yagyu, Muneharu himself is skilled in martial arts and politics, and he is also quite exceptional as a cultural figure.

10: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:35Yeahx11

Considering the background, it makes one wonder where Munemori honed that political skill.

11: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:35

Having both political power and sword skills is so perfect that it tends to make one a likely villain.

12: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:40Yeahx3

>>11In the first place, it was so exceptional at that time that it was used to add prestige to various schools and swordsmen, making it ideal for portraying villains or enemies.

13: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:42Yeahx2

Since there are few protagonists like Ieyasu, making him the main character wouldn’t be interesting…

14: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:44

If I say, “I was told this by Yagyu,” won’t Yagyu get punished together with me?

16: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:45Yeahx10

>>14I don’t know!

17: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:45Yeahx34

>>14It might just look like an ugly excuse.

15: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:44

There is an aspect of Yagyu Shinkage-ryu that includes political maneuvering as well…

18: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:46Yeahx4

I think the Yagyu family is a lord and that their origin is different.
I don’t know where Tiger Eye-sensei was born.

20: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:50

>>18This is it.
The rest is to get along with the generals who fought together on the battlefield.

19: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:49

Munerin rose to prominence in the Tokugawa shogunate and exploited us.
The Yagyu family’s main line of daimyo has been stripped of their title.
They’re like a protagonist from a light novel.

21: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:53Yeahx4

“Have the skill to win without hesitation in the match, Tiger Uncle.”

23: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:57

>>21Living like that is something a different person can do.

22: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:54

Even Miyamoto Musashi didn’t have a decent job throughout his life…

44: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:34Yeahx6

>>22However, the adopted child became a senior retainer of the Hosokawa family at a young age, and through generations as a senior retainer, left the name Miyamoto Musashi, so they are a huge winner.

24: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:57Yeahx1

This interview is being conducted by Masamune Honda, right?
Well then, it’s possible that creating intentional points loss with Munemoto and the synergy of Aun, and pointing out the points lost, led to the possibility of the predetermined race being discarded.

25: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)03:57

Date Masamune’s political power is so high that, to be honest, there’s no room for someone like Tora or Irako to intervene.

27: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:06Yeahx4

>>25In the first place, Chuden was being abandoned, and the Kakegawa itself was a sinking ship.
It’s said that it can’t be seen from the middle to the lower layers of the pyramid…

31: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:14

>>27Ilariko didn’t understand that much, did he?
Furthermore, they were trying to make a name for themselves by cutting down Fujiki in front of the daimyō who came to watch the match.

26: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:02

(I should have knocked his jaw off.)

28: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:06

Regardless of political power, is there really that much difference in swordsmanship?

29: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:11

When he was young, Sensei Torao must have navigated through the Warring States period.
I wonder why I wasn’t promoted.

32: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:16

>>29Well, since the sword is ultimately a personal skill… you can only gain noticeable achievements by being in a position to devise strategies and take command, and then succeeding.
Sure, individuals can earn promotions by capturing enemy generals, but it heavily depends on luck.

36: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:22

>>29Stand in front of the great person holding a weapon, and what is most necessary for a swordsmanship instructor is trust, right?
Although Ishibun-sai caused its decline, there is a world of difference between the powerful clans from the Nanbokucho period and some unknown person.
It seems that Towa-sensei cannot meet the demand for self-defense techniques like the ones Ishibusa was developing, which were based on the skills of handling weapons with bare hands that masters had been doing through intuition and experience until then, and that Ieyasu wanted.

30: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:12

Considering the risk of losing outright, it was probably reasonable to accept the proposal for a draw.
In reality, I thought I had imposed conditions for an exchange, but I was completely defeated by a swordsmanship idiot who faced me head-on… thanks, Master Togen.

33: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:20Yeahx6

The real Munemitsu suddenly appeared from nowhere to mediate the disputes between the daimyo.
Beyond amazing, it’s scary.

34: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:21

When wearing armor, the techniques of the Tōgan-ryū are quite ineffective.
They say that a three-inch cut can kill a person, but such areas are mostly fortified.

43: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:28

>>34Is it an advantage for the brothers who can slice through helmets?

47: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:44

>>34By the way, 3 sun is 9 centimeters, so it means it’s cutting into about half the thickness of the body.

35: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:21

Is the gun prevention measure that Fujiki did the Tiger Eye style?

37: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:22Yeahx2

The fact that Yagyu Munenori is willing to have a match with an outsider is unusual.
Normally, it’s a rejection at the gate.

38: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:23Yeahx2

Is Shinkage-ryu strong in terms of strength?
Or is it just because they are skilled at politics that they adopted it?

41: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:25Yeahx6

>>38They are strong, skilled in politics, lucky, and have great perseverance.

49: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:46

>>38There is a tale that during the Siege of Osaka, while serving as a bodyguard for Hidetada, he swiftly defeated several armored warriors from the Toyotomi side who approached Hidetada.

53: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:50

>>38The Yagyu Shinkage-ryu became famous because of Muneharu’s brother, Muneaki Gorōemon, who killed 18 people during the Yokota incident in the Komego Domain.
Munekata was skilled in politics, so he was invincible.

39: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:23

In terms of Mune’s promotion speed, he is a monster among monsters…

40: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:24Yeahx4

Boss: “What should I do to be able to use the Tora-Gan style?”
Mr. Togane: “First, we will develop the strength to hang from the ceiling using just your fingers.”
The big shot said, “Go home.”

This will happen.

51: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:48

>>40Around that area, Tora’s eye understands that, so he tells his disciples to talk about things that great people want to hear, rather than focusing on practical benefits when in front of important people.

42: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:25Yeahx3

Ohhhh!! If it’s Yagyu who’s saying that, he would gladly fight to the death with Master Kogan.

62: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:03

>>42Mr. Tora in light of his strength, might not stand a chance against Munenori…

74: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:36

>>62In the world of the Elite Guards, the Tokugawa Buff is amazing.

45: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:35

It is extremely rare to find a swordsman who can also engage in politics.
It seems that Marume Nagoe was also excellent as a cultural figure, but he made a mistake in judgment on the battlefield and ended up on the path to demotion.

46: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:37Yeahx1

>>45Losing the castle due to a scheme in Satsuma is that…

54: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:53

>>45Even though both are military family swordsmanship instructors, Ono Tadaaki has only 600 koku.
It shows the peculiarity of Munemitsu, doesn’t it?

48: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:46

That old man from the Kabuto-Wari clan is indeed the one who made a name for himself on the battlefield and opened a dojo.

50: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:47

Mr. Tora’s desire wasn’t to become stronger, but to rise in status!

52: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:50Yeahx2

It’s interesting that in real life, the greatest swordsman, Kamiizumi Nobutsuna, made a shinai because it was dangerous to get injured during training.

55: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:55Yeahx3

>>52That person is more of a sword saint than a swordsman…

56: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:55Yeahx4

Munekata is in a position to inherit Yagyu’s 2000 koku and has succeeded in doing so, so the starting point is quite different.

76: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:40

>>56It was Sosaku who regained what was lost during my father’s time.

81: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:49

>>76That’s right, the eldest son was injured in the siege of Nobunaga, leaving his inheritance in a lurch, and he was exposed for hiding rice fields, losing his land.
And then, by serving the Tokugawa, he achieved success in the Battle of Sekigahara primarily through logistical support that relied on the family’s credibility.
If there were a lack of any one of a home, luck, or personal ability, things wouldn’t have turned out this way.

57: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:56Yeahx3

Seeing Mr. Togen’s teaching method, it would be impossible to promote anyone…

59: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:57

>>57“But ‘important people don’t like grotesque things, so you shouldn’t hit in the exhibition match.'”
I’m giving proper guidance…

67: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:16Yeahx6

>>59It must be coming from my own experience.

58: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:56

They make us practice drills that have a higher injury rate than actual combat.

60: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)04:59Yeahx3

The tiger cubs are doing it because they like it, so it’s fine.
It’s sad that a Kakegawa samurai has to come to a place like this because he is the swordsmanship instructor of the domain.

61: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:02

>>60There might be guidance aimed in that direction as well.

63: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:06Yeahx4

Owari Yagyu is superior, right?

64: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:08Yeahx9

>>63I feel a sense of sorrow that makes me think there was no other choice because of how amazing Munemoto is.

65: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:09

Let’s assume that Rigen, the founder of the Owari Yagyu, who is married but does not work and is solely devoted to swordsmanship, was worse at swordsmanship than Munenori, who works to support his family.
The one who has the right to be the angriest is Munenori, isn’t it?

66: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:10

In other words, the Toraken style is like a bamboo shoot…

68: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:17Yeahx3

>>66The mouth is the source of disaster.

70: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:22

>>68Action

69: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:18

Mr. Tora is so bad at faking a smile that it’s funny.
I’m sure the boss has noticed that.

71: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:24Yeahx2

There is a line confirming that he was granted permission for his techniques by a high disciple of the Toraigan-ryū, which implicitly means that he had issued permits in terms of money or obligation.
It seems that Fujiki was just too stoic, while the others were guiding more normally.

75: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:40

>>71Well, they probably raised you thinking you were the heir.
Holding a burnt chopstick.

72: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:24

I caught a glimpse of the changes in Yagyu Munenori’s perspective in creation.
That was interesting.

102: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:18Yeahx1

>>72In the past, Munerin was the mastermind secretly plotting to undermine the protagonist using the Ura Yagyu.
I’m a bit curious about where it switched to being treated like a sword saint with political power like it is now.

73: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:28

I think Master Tora is also a successful person, in a way.
It’s a considerable amount of wealth, and I’m a guide for the clan.

78: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:46

>>73The domain…

77: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:45

Mr. Toraigan ignored the recommendation of Ushimata and chose Irako as his successor.
Until I see the motorcycle, I can’t trust Ushimune and Fujiki; anyway, my ability to judge people is way off.

79: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:47

>>77In the original work, both are excellent, but since Mie seems to like Irako, maybe I’ll choose Irako… even though it’s the grandfather saying this.

80: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)05:48Yeahx1

Since the exhibition matches only attract those on the decline, I don’t think you’d normally participate in the Tiger Eye style.

82: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:14Yeahx2

The tiger-eye in the thread is really cool.

83: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:14

Leaving aside moral obligations, I believe I was able to handle financial matters properly before things became ambiguous.

86: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:32

>>83Since it continued to function properly even after becoming ambiguous, Tiger Eye-sensei is amazing.

101: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:06Yeahx2

>>86The heir of the Iwamoto family has properly registered as Fujiki.

84: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:26

When I first read it, I thought, “Wow, Tōgan is stronger than Munenori,” but when they confronted each other, Munenori immediately judged, “I can’t win against this,” which shows he is a true expert and it’s really cool.

85: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:31

In the end, Toragami-style is just the principle of finger snapping, isn’t it?
Even Kiyogen Irako

87: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:34

No joking, FGO has reached a level where it is arguably the best handled in recent creations.
The rate of being a chew toy villain is high.
Azumi is terrible.

97: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:54Yeahx1

>>87Even though he is a swordsman, the image that he has become a powerful figure of the ruling class has continued to linger due to jealousy.
To be honest, other swordsmen and famous schools were also aiming for that, but it just didn’t work out.

88: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:37

When trying to identify the protagonist while disguising himself as an ordinary person in the Yagyu Renya Martial Arts Diary, he got pissed off by the attendant’s light remarks and attacked.
It was a terrible treatment to be pushed into the river, ending up in tatters while spouting resentful words and dying soon after.

108: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:41

>>88Even so, their skill level was strong enough to make the young teacher prepare for death.

89: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:41

The expert episodes are fairly plentiful, but the politician persona is too strong.

90: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:44

During the Warring States period, martial skills were the most important, but in the peaceful era, what is required of samurai is the ability to serve as officials. Once you misunderstand that point, there’s nothing you can do.

93: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:48

>>90“Even the person himself was complaining that he misses the Sengoku era…”

91: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:48Yeahx1

So those worthless people who think it would be good if the world were thrown into chaos again, led by a dark lord, are the ones to be eliminated.

96: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:48

>>91(There’s no chance… for this.)

92: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:48Yeahx2

I’m getting scolded for knocking out the jaw of my favorite martial artist, and it’s a mystery how Master Togan climbed up to become a mentor.

94: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:48

It’s like using a cat’s paw and hiding it with the sleeve.
Calmly looking at it, it definitely seems like there’s a strong intention to kill.

95: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:48Yeahx2

The Seven Schools of the Imperial Guards are also good.
The Seven Schools of the Imperial Guards are also good.

Juzan is absolutely! I support Yagyu Munenori! The Tokugawa family’s martial arts instructor’s palm is cursed! The princess! In the battle on the Osaka side, the desperate troops of spearmen led by Kimura Nagamon no Kami have also been defeated, striking down with a solitary sword!

98: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:58

Even when he’s become a feeble old man, he’s still half-killing people with his “If we don’t mess around, I’ll hit you,” so it must have been even worse in the past.

99: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)06:59

Sakon’s Munenori is also a villain, but I like him because he is strong.

100: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:03

Twin-tail Munekata

103: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:27Yeahx1

He is an old man who loves to sneak into other daimyos’ houses and dance…

104: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:29Yeahx1

In Showa era historical novels, characters like Tohru Arayama and Keiichiro Takahashi were written as villains.
On the other hand, Yamaoka Sōhachi and Yoshikawa Eiji wrote about them as good characters.
The biggest reason was probably that it was more convenient for storytelling to have a villain secretly working behind the scenes than a politician who was influential even among the great daimyos in the role of a shogun’s advisor.

105: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:29

Before the Yagyu style, even at the time of the Shin-Kage style, it had penetrated not only the samurai class but also the imperial aristocracy. The Shin-Kage style itself was a school built on the foundations of the prestigious Kage style, Katori, and Nen styles.

106: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:33

I understand that Mune-rin looks better in a villainous role.
The position of being a shadow fixer who is accompanied by Yagyu, serving the ruler of the land, is just too convenient to use.

107: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:35

One indirect cause of the biased evaluation of Iemitsu during the past was also due to Ieyasu.

109: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:46Yeahx3

It seems that, now that the history based on the documents has become clear, it would be a waste to use it merely as a villain.
Rather than Yagyu Munenori, it is the remarkable nature of his political stance and the position he attained.

110: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:55

>>109Aren’t there still a lot of times when you end up playing the villain?
Even if we call it documentation, the recognition of how amazing it was for a swordsman to become a feudal lord during the Showa era is no different from now.

111: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)07:57

Regarding the Tokugawa Shogunate, it has been filtered through the Meiji government until today.

112: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:07

In “Makai Tensei,” when provoked by Hyogo, the scene where it says, “Only those who are alive can defeat him” is incredibly cool.

113: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:10

It is often said that Owari Yagyu was jealous of the power of Edo Yagyu, but at least Toshigen turned down offers for military service under quite favorable conditions, so he probably thought it was troublesome and didn’t want to deal with it.

118: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:20

>>113I don’t know what he thought, but it would be impossible to surpass the power of Munenori, who became a feudal lord in his hometown of Yamato Yagyu while serving as an advisor to the shogunate.

114: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:13

You can’t really compare swordsmanship unless you’re actually fighting to the death, even back then.

117: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:15

>>114I’m hiring you as a military strategist, so it’s not just about swordsmanship; your daily actions are also subject to evaluation.

115: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:13

The way Seihō Suhō is depicted by Takagaki Ichirō is terrible.
A job where you have no choice but to comply with the unreasonable demands of the useless Hidetada, getting intimidated, anxious, and sweating over the protagonist’s achievements.

116: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:15

Mr. Tora’s intention may be to have learned various social skills, but the underlying savagery cannot be fully concealed.

119: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:30

No matter how many stones are received from another household, they are only a vassal.

120: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:32

The record of his active role on the battlefield regarding Munemori is significant.
Moreover, I am facing the warriors who charged into the main camp during the Siege of Osaka.

121: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:40

The position of chief inspector can be exaggerated in various ways.
You’re probably crossing all kinds of dangerous bridges that don’t appear in your creations.

122: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:52

I wonder what the relationship between Munenori and his family, or rather, Owari Yagyu, was like.

123: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:56

Miyamoto Musashi is often treated as having an unfortunate later life, even though he is a fictional character.
It’s not like that at all; I’m receiving over 300 koku, I have interactions as a cultured person, and it seems I was even allowed to engage in falconry…

125: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:59

>>123In the first place, Iorin has achieved success, so it’s a comfortable retirement.

124: Japan Otaku Reviews25/06/04(Wed)08:59

It’s misunderstood because it’s ambiguous, but if you think about it, it’s just a bit violent, right?

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