I’m just being straightforwardly annoyed.
Sending your own manga saying “Do it like this” is quite a unique person.
It feels like I’m being bothered or scared… I think I’ll just stay away from this… doesn’t it feel that way?
A person who is a bit of a pro but also a bit dangerous.
Your manga is vulgar! You should use my manga as a reference! That’s just incredibly rude.
I thought it was a pretty disturbing photo, but Saito Takao.
>>6Isn’t that a figure of Golgo?
Get pregnant! With the child of a zombie!
The people from Tokiwa-so have memories of being taken care of, but they don’t particularly touch on the works.
>>9From their perspective, it’s a shared recognition of style even without mentioning it.
>>9The work is interesting too, Terra.
It was just that I couldn’t keep up with the times.
A pastoral style featuring a healthy sportsman boy in action.
It’s mentioned in the manga as well.
It’s clearly stated that it’s the exact opposite style of Zonbirasu, and the people of Tokiwa-so are clearly talking about what kind of work it is.
The sports manga that Tera-san was drawing is a model example of depicting excitement without relying on violence.
It seems that the people who remain have meanings not just in an industry sense, but also in a worldly sense…
It’s the generation that was just barely not influenced by Tezuka, so reading it now feels lacking in stimulation.
It is not widely known that Takao Saito sent spam flyers of the gekiga workshop to manga artists, including Osamu Tezuka.
>>15Since this one comes first, the matter of the thread image isn’t really that strange.
From Terra’s perspective, it’s like I’ve sent a reply.
>>18When you say that, it’s not such a strange behavior after all, Tera-san.
>>18I didn’t send it to Terra-san, so aren’t you surprised…?
>>28The divide between manga creators and gekiga or rental book creators is quite deep, and they would often send things to most manga artists as if it were harassment.
Ironically, graphic novels would later be lumped together with manga.
>>29In other words, the graphic workshop also breaks down the differences in graphic style…
>>29Isn’t that a response to whether you sent it to Terra-san as well?
>>31It’s hard to say for certain since there are hardly any people who still have the original copies, but I believe that the members of the Tokiwa-so, the leading group of manga artists at the time, including Tezuka Tera, were all targets and received them.
>>28The declaration of graphic novels is being sent not only to manga artists but also to major publishers and newspaper companies.
If you’re working in manga, you’ll likely have the opportunity to see it.
The pamphlet is co-authored by Takao Saito and others, but…
It was sent based on the judgment of Yoshihiro Tatsumi, the proponent of graphic novels, so it was a bolt from the blue for Takao.
>>35I didn’t know this.
If you have the source, please give it to me.
On the contrary, there are no comments at all regarding Fujiko F. Fujio…
The style is completely different, and it seems like he was keeping his distance from the manga artists he was hanging out with in the community, so it’s probably from Saito Takao’s perspective.
As a premise, Teru wasn’t the only one who recognized that manga is something that raises children in a healthy way and is a kind of educational material they will eventually graduate from…
For a time, newspaper comics like “Sanwari-kun” were referred to as “adult comics.”
Right now, everything is categorized as manga, but there were quite a few specific ways of categorizing and naming them before getting to that point.
Did they also pressure Golgo to bear a child of Zombie Ras?
I feel like there was a live-action version of “Darkness Level 5” that aired late at night on Kids Station in the past.
Manga Road is not necessarily faithful to the actual situation.
After being depicted as if Tera-san has disappeared from both the city and the manga industry, they have started a dark five-step model that is based on Tera-san’s face.
>>24A is quite the note-taker and has added quite a bit of embellishment, so it’s easy to misunderstand it as historical fact, but they just got married and left normally.
>>24Manga Road starts with Osomatsu-kun and Cyborg 009 at the end.
Both of them are works that came out after leaving Tokiwa-so.
Didn’t Tera-san think he would have been better off as a picture book author…?
There’s no way I’ll send it to Tera-san…
I understand if you mean that you don’t like the movement where Tera is trying to make graphic novels popular.
>>32The rental book group was trying to pick a fight anyway to take a share from the red book group…
Violence is unacceptable! they say.
Kurayami Godan has quite a violent element to it, doesn’t it?
>>33In the end, the protagonist becomes a king who forgives his senior disciples.
You haven’t done anything that can be forgiven, right?
It tends to be underestimated because of the crappy image, but my dad, who isn’t really into manga, knew about Tera-san’s work and it’s really impressive.
Even if I hadn’t sent it to Tera-san, I was unilaterally sending it to various other manga artists.
I think it’s terrible to call someone strange just because they sent something to me this time.
Somehow… it’s a bit scary, isn’t it?
But if it was youthful indiscretion, that could happen.
When the declaration of graphic novels was sent, Osamu Tezuka said that graphic novels tend to have outlaws as protagonists too often, and that’s not good!
But I thoroughly absorbed the essence.
It’s unreasonable to treat this announcement and the expression of feelings about not depicting crude things as being on the same level…
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Guide to Gekiga Studio
The world is constantly changing. The isolated life of an island nation is transforming, and the relationships between people and countries are becoming more intricate and profound. In the post-war world, stories of parents trying to establish “relationships” with delinquency have flourished in newspapers, magazines, and television. Recently, with the advent of movies, television, and manga, a new breeze is beginning to blow within Japan’s “space of relationships.”
The new standards and considerations formed in this constrained living space have brought about a significant appeal of human interaction, captivating people from children to adults. There is a need for an integrated operation of newspapers, radio, movies, and television, especially concerning certain social situations and stories.
The production of gekiga is beneficial in addressing this matter. The creation of gekiga stems from the ability to give birth to ideas. It is characterized by ideals that can counterbalance those who are emotionally burdened. The gekiga’s narrative and artistic expression reflect not only probabilistic works but also embody individual personalities suitable for the essence of this kingdom.
Gekiga represents an adventure. As a starting point for artistic endeavors, it serves to assist the workshop and is essential. There are also necessary aspects involved in defining the direction of gekiga. Please elaborate on the beautiful gekiga.
Yamagata Sumu, K Gen Takaryu, Kaichi Go Sotsugyo
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>>44Manga is outdated! Let’s give way to rental books and gekiga! I’m writing this as carefully as possible.
>>44It’s not just that one piece; there were quite a few, and that’s because Mitsutoshi Furuya, who was assisting Osamu Tezuka at the time, was drawing it.
Drawing a car and adding a speech bubble to it is a comic.
It seems that the claim of the Gekiga Workshop was that drawing the driver and passengers from a car window with speech bubbles constitutes Gekiga, but in reality, Mitsuaki Yokoyama is using Gekiga techniques normally.
By the way, does Golgo belong to the genre of graphic art?
>>48If it didn’t hit, what even is a graphic novel?
>>52Swordplay
>>59In other words… tank tank croaker…!
Well… I thought Terra-san was someone who would be fine as long as zoning was being done…
>>49If someone encroaches on your territory, anyone would complain, right?
The presence or absence of sociality is important.
In the end, Tera-san wasn’t supported by anyone.
I think there are elements that can be perceived as provoking a fight from the perspective of people who make a living from manga.
Considering the times, the demand to promote erotic grotesque manga as a replacement for children’s manga is quite absurd, so the claims of the graphic novel workshop are really outrageous.
If Tera had also gathered comrades without holding back to change the flow, the evaluation would have been different, you know…
>>55It is the readers who decide the flow, and graphic novels have also become popular.
And the speed at which content trends come and go has significantly increased, leading to the extinction of comic books and graphic novels, which have been integrated into manga.
>>58I’m talking about the attitude towards activities…
Do you only want to talk about what you want to talk about?
>>66Posture is of no use at all.
It’s just about whether it sold or not.
>>67Well, being treated like a shitpost really changes the evaluation of someone who fought against the waves of the times.
Even if we lose at that time, someone who will take over might emerge.
>>76I have no idea what you’re talking about.
What do you think commercial manga is?
It’s not a playhouse game.
>>80Why is this person acting like they’re lecturing me all of a sudden?
>>81Those who inherit Tera’s will…
>>81It’s you who’s doing that.
>>87No, I’m not the same person you were lecturing.
>>80Attacking responses that differ from the flow you want feels like playing house.
>>55New Manga Party!
What is the difference between manga and gekiga?
Gekiga is inevitably an extension of the rental book culture, so there are many stories with bloody themes, which is part of why it was disliked.
It began to be used in works other than mainly bloody pieces of the era, merging with manga.
Indeed, you were someone who worried, Tera-san.
I wonder what Tera thinks about the Akatsuka manga that was kept alive by borrowing money.
>>63(I would turn this into five comics from here…)
The term “gekiga” still remains, so it hasn’t disappeared, right?
It has simply become just a genre position within manga.
A person who is caring but also troublesome.
Is there really a fool among us who wants to seriously discuss someone’s character?
There’s no way you can talk about manga and ignore the tendencies of the readers.
I don’t want to talk about such a creepy story of gathering many comrades like that…
I thought that as long as there were no more graphic novels in the manga world, it would sell again.
There’s someone who’s excessively foul-mouthed.
It seems like you think communication skills solve everything.
The path filled with bloody stories in gekiga was something Takao Saito himself disliked, and eventually, he gave up on continuing the unnecessary disputes. If he was going to do something bloody anyway, he thought, he might as well make a protagonist with whom readers couldn’t empathize, and that’s how he began Golgo 13.
There are probably more parents who don’t want their kids to read Akatsuka’s manga than cartoon drama.
Terra-san…
I don’t want to talk about that.
I understand up to that point, but…
If you don’t want to, isn’t it fine not to reply?
The trend of gekiga ultimately caused Kazuo Koike to fall into decline as well…
>>84As a result of Koike Kazuo continuing his efforts to spread the trend of gekiga!
It’s interesting that what came out of that was Rumiko Takahashi.
What good does it do to preach to someone from over 50 years ago…
I might be an esper.
They lecture from a superior position on responses they don’t like.
Indeed, it’s just an imagined bad Terasanjigusa.
>>93First of all, let’s stop calling it a sermon when fundamental mistakes are pointed out.
>>93Just give up already.
The popularity of graphic novels was not necessarily due to artists who strongly agreed on wanting to create graphic novels.
It’s not at all like something that’s been made to flow…
The Gekiga Village School can only be described as an absolutely tremendous success, judging by the lineup of members.
>>95In the end, Kazuo Koike was heavily in debt to those people…
>>99If you’re going to say this or that, I think you shouldn’t make mistakes with kanji.
Stop hanging out on such a lowly message board in the middle of the night!
>>98I thought it was a strange anonymous name.
At that time, there were various attempts, and while it can’t be said that it was commercially successful, there were many interesting stories about the achievements and the amazing talents that emerged!
Tera’s manga didn’t receive a good response, so it couldn’t continue its serialization and became unable to earn money.
It’s sad that my wife went out to work and had to support me.
>>101The manga was a hit, Tera-san.
The biggest reason I left the industry is that, while weekly serialization became the foundation of the industry, Terra’s method of not having assistants became too tough.
I think that under the old standards, Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan would have been classified as graphic novels.
It’s fine to have beliefs about how manga should be, but don’t impose them on others.
>>105Osamu Tezuka says to you, “Your work is too experimental, so I’ll take a break for now!” to Shotaro Ishinomori.
>>114Even if it’s a facade, it’s too beautiful.
When I wrote bad things about Ishinomori in a fan letter, a fan forwarded it to Ishinomori and then he said “I’ll quit writing…” and Tezuka came to apologize.
>>116But well, I don’t really understand that Jun…
>>125It was said that even the editor at the end of the volume couldn’t understand it…
It might be easier to accept if it’s said to be an experiment with panel layout rather than a story.
It feels like they’re being excessively portrayed as a failure, but it seems like they voluntarily withdrew from the manga industry quickly.
It’s ironic that graduates of the Gekiga Village School are mostly drawing manga and hitting it big.
>>109I don’t understand at all what is ironic about it, so please respond a bit more clearly.
I mean, back then there was no tankoubon business, so I had to keep getting published to make a living.
It’s completely different to send a greeting letter after establishing a company and to send someone a request to draw a manga like mine as an individual…
After all, it’s someone who voluntarily stepped back at a time when they were at their peak physically.
After that, I continued my activities by editing the history of manga for boys and giving advice to new writers who came to visit my home.
Given that moments where manga artists are treated with disdain still occur even now, I can imagine…
Are you really going back to ero-guro when you’ve finally started to be accepted by society in a grounded way?!
We will die just like this… die!
I think there was quite a bit of pressure…
“That’s right… that’s right…!! My boss (the old man) also fell victim to the wicked hands of the ninja (society’s gaze)…!!”
“The boss (Dad) was also killed by the ninja (public perception)!! Just torturing 10 women and children… without a drop of blood or a tear!!”
“Is there no salvation in the yakuza (the way of manga)? Are we just going to die like this… die…?”
“Are you idiots!!? I won’t die for this!!!”
Gross.
Where do these things wash up from?
I don’t understand…
I saw a response that was shockingly disgusting, so I reflexively pressed delete.
What is this guy…?
It seems to be over the age of 60.
Could it be that you couldn’t stand the tense thread and took it upon yourself to play the villain…?
Even if I suddenly get a long text parody…
>>124I wonder if they thought everyone would praise them.
I remembered the atmosphere when the manga club alumni came to the drinking party and completely bombed.
What is this?
Let’s watch some anime.
Osamu Tezuka is treating Shotaro Ishinomori a bit harshly because he likes him.
Go to Toei and become an animator! That’s the instruction I sent out.
>>131The person was very enthusiastic about anime, so if they hadn’t been stopped, the history of manga would have changed quite a bit.
>>133“Draw the manga! Because we’ll be making an anime based on that! I think the folks at Toei Animation have really killer lines.”
This interview with Takao can be read on Kindle Unlimited, and I thought it was amazing how he is considering a very systematic approach to creating graphic novels.
But when I read my disciple’s recollection manga, I still want to create my own work! I also think it must have been tough since there were many independent projects.
>>132Yu Koyama, who was entrusted with the sub chief role, and Seisaku Yamazaki and Takumi Yamazaki have all suddenly left! The intensity of the live performance!
>>137It’s more of an episode from Koike-sensei’s side than from Saito-sensei.
I wanted to test whether the story rights belong to Saito-sensei’s studio or to myself, the original creator.
The most surprising episode was when I wanted to be sued for doing the same story as Golgo with Lone Wolf and Cub, the god of illustrated books.
>>145I realized after being told, but it really does look a lot like that one and another work…
I wonder how credible the rumors are that Tera could have pursued a career in professional baseball if he had wanted to.
>>134I’m not very knowledgeable about sports, so I can’t be certain, but it might be recorded in the urban baseball tournament records.
It’s well-known that there was a story about someone saying to the editor to stop his serialization.
I think Mr. Umitsu probably receives even worse letters.
The disciple who is drawing the retrospective manga has also distanced themselves…
They say that the person themselves claimed they weren’t doing anything so brave or flashy!
The situation around here is not very clear.
>>142A is quite the outgoing type, so I can’t say much unless I compare it with the memoirs drawn by other Tokiwa-so writers.
>>147Not many people depict the fact that at that time, Tokiwa-so was already filled with assistants.
At Chiba Tetsuya’s level
>No.1318663067The declaration of graphic novels is ultimately not something that criticizes the recipient just like a mere promotional flyer, so I don’t think it’s a matter of both sides being equally at fault.
I’m looking at various manga artists’ retrospective works, but…
As expected, the world of Osamu Tezuka is the most interesting because it is filled with a mix of love and hate.
No matter how devoted someone is to Osamu Tezuka, it’s frustrating to hear that while they are running eight serialized works, they’re also working on three anime and are fully focused on that…
Since Tera appears as a model in various manga like free material.
I can somehow sense that there was a presence.
>>148Regarding Go Nagai, I think it would have been forgiven if someone had hit him…
>>149Gou-chan is the type to communicate quite properly, so he probably did that after getting consent…
>>154I like the story about how, when doing Kekkou Kamen, I went to greet the author of Moonlight Mask, the uncle with ear hair, and he laughed and said to go ahead and do it with great enthusiasm.
>>154Terra-san, who gives the OK to that extreme vulgarity, is a misunderstanding!
In a recently discussed reminiscence manga by a former Saito Pro artist, it’s illustrated that Tetsuya Chiba mentioned how Saito-sensei seemed to be arrogant in front of Tezuka-sensei during their first meeting.
I can think that they might actually be somewhat conscious of it, but I wonder how it is with the flyers.
At that time, there was no distinction in manga, so I’ve heard it was like a mix of everything, including extreme shoujo manga and ero-guro level works from young male magazines, all thrown together in a chaotic pot like “Korokoro”.
In that case, I can understand why the authors might not like this manga!
It’s usually not good to do things before sending a letter…
Manga Way felt like Ishinomori came from the countryside to Tokiwa-so!
The truth is that I was living somewhere else with Akatsuka → Akatsuka temporarily gave up on manga and started living with Tezuka Osamu → It’s Tokiwa-so after all.
I didn’t become a hermit; I was living normally and interacting with people outside of the Tokiwa-so.
I can understand if it’s a battle by posting critiques in a magazine.
It’s exciting, so it’s nice from a magazine perspective as well.
Directly preaching or negotiating with the editor-in-chief always ends up making you look like a troublesome person, no matter the era…
Gou-chan shows up at golf competitions with Mitsuboshi, Tetsuya, Saito Takao, and Fujiko A, even when he’s super busy.
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