I feel like Kenichi, who literally put in the effort to the point of dying, had quite a bit of persuasion.
Are there any other works like this?

Isn’t it common lately for works to treat the protagonist as a genius from the very beginning?

😨Actually, my parents are legendary-level warriors.

Rukawa was on top of Sakuragi until the very end.

Minato Kagemi

Sakuragi-kun openly claims to be a genius…

If you really don’t have talent, there’s no way to rise up no matter what you do.
Even if it’s done for reasons other than ability, that brain will be amazing.

Is this roughly what you call “Korokoro hobby manga”?

Sakuragi, utilizing the physical strength granted by the heavens, subjected himself to intense and rigorous training for an extended period.
Since I was a beginner, my lack of knowledge about the rules and my limited repertoire of skills provided a balance.

Look, everyone is making an effort!

Growth Speed SSR

It generally means that there’s just no talent or that it hasn’t blossomed yet.

In the end, who is the best at table tennis in Ping Pong?

I’ve seen many people who started drawing after high school or when they began using the internet rapidly improve and surpass those who had been drawing since childhood… it makes me a little sad.

A low-ranking warrior who has failed… → Y-yes, Kakarot really is a genius…

If you don’t start as an ordinary person, you won’t be able to generate empathy!

It’s frustrating when the protagonist, who has a short period of effort, starts saying that they won because they worked hard.

Naruto may have been blessed with stamina and a large amount of chakra due to the Nine-Tails, but until he fully reconciled with it, his control and the flow of chakra were hindered, which made it more of a handicap until he took classes with Kakashi-sensei and Ebisu-sensei, and that was terrible.

Whether or not to make an effort depends on talent.
Whether you can do it or not depends on luck.

I always want the genius rival to be a half step ahead of the protagonist.
That being said, please also feel a sense of crisis about being overtaken by the protagonist.

I prefer to hone a talent that is highly specialized.
If I don’t somehow bring it into my own ring, I have no chance of winning.

If you lack talent and become a hard worker type, you will end up like Rock Lee and not be the main character.

Talent will come after you produce results.

Tanjiro was a bearer of the Breath of the Sun, but as a swordsman, it felt like others were stronger than him.

Is it about The Glass Mask?

In the case of a protagonist who truly lacks ability, there are times when they are simply very skilled at maneuvering.
This will become a different talent on its own, I suppose.

The glasses character in World Trigger doesn’t have talent, but due to meta reasons, it gives the impression that their leadership ability is quite boosted.

“Talentless hard-working protagonist.”
I had already trained myself in everyday life.

Jump has a strong lineage, after all.

I guess we have no choice but to do it…
Doping…

Korokoro Hobby has some strange training, but the main character feels like the genius side basically.

If I truly have no talent and my efforts are insufficient, it will just be a story of continuously losing.

Well, if you don’t have the innate talent, then you’ll have to resort to modifications, drugs, or demon fusion to make it work.
Time is equal for everyone, so an ordinary person has no chance of winning against a genius who has worked hard.

Right now, Red Bull is like this.

Rival is a talented person who works hard.
The protagonist is an incredible guy.

Ah, drugs certainly make it easy to see that there is no talent.
Kou Uraki was also doing it.

The power of darkness… is good!!

Medalists are like this too.

The efforts of the last few months are important.
Yearly savings are fleeting.

The medalist is the type who somehow manages it with talent and sense.

Although I’m not the protagonist, there were guys who lacked the aptitude to operate the Lambda Driver in Full Metal Panic and were forcibly enhancing their concentration with drugs.

Ken-chan’s aspirations are on par with the best, but rather than training, it’s more like body modification or abuse…

Sometimes there are supporting characters who keep up with inflation without any special talents or circumstances.

😆 A protagonist who has no talent and relies on hard work.
🤔 What is talent, to begin with…?

Kenichi and others have a short martial arts history and their daily training time is also short while attending school.
The environment of being trained by multiple masters and the intensity of training that can resurrect one even after death is clearly superior on the enemy’s side.
The level of the setting is broken, yet for some reason, fans are discussing it without fully grasping those aspects of the setting.

The fact that you are attending school normally means your level of effort is limited.

I feel that those who teach also need talent.

It’s just right to win by chance only once in an important situation.

The shadow of the陰実 seems to be the type where geniuses put in effort.

I think a winning run with Rudy’s tears would be just right.
After the death of my best friend, I made an effort to the point of risking my life in football and was admitted to the University of Notre Dame.
Due to the teammates’ performance in the last match, I was somehow allowed to play in the game for just one play.
“I was able to bring down the opposing QB with that play.”

When you look at the evolution of the red characters in tokusatsu, you can see the trends of the times.

Ninja and Naruto, etc.

In a battle story, real combat experience > training, so somehow…

It’s still strange that Igari loses to Power-san.

Ping Pong has brought everyone’s talent to where it should be because Peko started putting in effort, but before that, Akuma, who had been putting in effort, managed to defeat the fallen Peko.

It’s unfair for him to work hard like a lion by birth.

Kazuma-san is strong because he doesn’t die.

It’s obvious, right? If effort equals strength, then all the powerful characters would be in their 30s.

Flower Blooming Angel Tenten-kun and…

Supporting a rival’s love and making her spend time on it, which reduces her practice time.
We can only do our best in that direction.

Continuing to make an effort is also a talent.
A resilient heart.

It was funny to see a delinquent protagonist like Evil Heart start practicing Aikido and become mentally stronger, which made him gradually weaker.
In the final battle, I fight against my brother, but at that moment, I have a monologue saying, “I am now in a place farthest from the state of Aikido.”
It was impressive that they had forgotten the techniques of aikido and were instead using knives to kill each other.

Tanjiro, who is hard-working and has no relation to bloodlines, unknowingly possesses a unique skill because his ancestor was friends with an extraordinary genius.

Both talent and effort are necessary, but to be at the top, the circumstances of the country and the situations of influential people are also important.

If Frieza seriously started training
Easily caught up with Goku and the others, who have always been training.
Overtake

I think it’s ideal for abilities and worldviews where emotional output directly translates to combat power.
Kamen Rider Joker and the black and white Avester Magnsarion.

But if you can’t win, you’ll ridicule me, right?

Kenichi seems to have a bit of a sad aspect, as other rivals can improve with just a little training.

Are you talking about Front Mission 3, where a person with just a military parent and part-time job experience can kick the butt of geniuses and international mercenaries?
Moreover, my partner’s friend is just a frivolous guy without even a military friend setting.

The protagonist who loses in a situation where they have to win because their talent and effort are insufficient is no longer a protagonist.

Becoming strong on your own in solitude is the grammar of a villain, and it makes sense.

Kenichi is just forcibly reviving the types of mob characters that drop out and die during training in other manga…

I feel like I can catch up.
You’re arrogant.

The protagonist of the spy school series that Kenichi’s author was serializing until recently is the son of a legendary spy.
I’m getting stronger and stronger without having to go through any grueling training.
Compared to that, Ken-chan really lacks talent… that’s how it turned out.

Kinnikuman’s Suguru is lineage.
It’s bloodline, but it’s only because of the bloodline that I’m struggling so much.

The story of a protagonist who lacks talent but is hard-working, and ultimately faces defeat in crucial moments, yet “Touch” is still an amazing masterpiece.

Even Ichigo…

The environment until adulthood was terrible, but the race, lineage, and teacher are good, right? Kinnikuman.

One Punch Man claims to be self-taught, but it’s overwhelmingly talent, isn’t it?

Vegeta, who caught up to his father, Super Saiyan Kakarot, on his own.

In Dragon Ball, it’s even more outrageous that a former bullied child can become strong enough to defeat alien fighters capable of destroying a city in an instant.

In martial arts works, good and bad masters are a shadow theme.
What made that easy to understand is the DB.

Both effort and talent are necessary, but so is lineage.
Having a lineage gives you strong power, but also heavy responsibility.

To continue making an effort despite lacking talent is…
That’s a different kind of monster, you know.
More frightening than a genius.

It was strange that Krillin, being such an underachiever that he had to sneak out of the temple, was able to train evenly with Goku right from the start.

At first, it seemed like I had no talent, but I realized that I did have talent as long as I kept putting in the effort.

Frieza is so unfair, right?
Even without doing anything, equivalent to a Super Saiyan.
If you put in the effort, you’ll catch up to Blue and the essence of it all.

Does a protagonist with no talent really mean someone who can’t produce any results at all?

Krillin has had his potential awakened on Namek…

Don’t you think defeat endings in sports stories are quite common?

Isn’t it famous for losing all the time in a long-running series like Ahiru?

If you achieve results (victory), you are certainly more talented than a loser.
(Compared to that person) it may mean that I have no talent.

It can be boring if the protagonist experiences too many defeats.

I was possessed by Sai, but I didn’t listen to anything and especially didn’t become stronger in Go.

I have the impression that Kazuhira Ikki has a lot of works that collapse in the end due to trying too hard.

It’s definitely Mikumo Osamu.

I liked the tennis manga called “Yomikiri no Kassaku.”
The story of a character who has worked hard instead of being a talented protagonist.

Isn’t it true that the difference with rivals often comes from the quality of human relationships rather than effort?
The protagonist is blessed with a good teacher and good friends.

If someone who has zero talent is able to win, it can only be seen as if they have talent.
In the long run, it’s the opponent who lost that may have more talent, something like that.

Kenichi’s vague memories from long ago have become mixed with exaggerations.
It’s fine to reminisce… It’s good… It’s the kind where the results of our experiences are shared like a meme.
In reality, we aren’t doing anything that impressive compared to what the enemies talk about in their training… what even is this huge foundation of someone with less than 2 years of experience?
Two years is a period where it’s only natural to thoroughly focus on the basics, if anything, it feels insufficient.

There was a manga where the protagonist, who experienced a setback in shogi, tries to become a professional through hard work, but ultimately lost to a character like Sota Fujii.

To say something cruel, talent is just a common refrain of losers’ jealousy.
It’s a bit unfortunate that no matter what kind of effort the person puts in behind the scenes, if they succeed, they become an object of envy and jealousy, and it’s all dismissed with “they’re talented after all.”

I think Guts is a protagonist who doesn’t make you think much about talent.

For example, if you have a very privileged environment and a gifted body but still don’t achieve any results, I think it’s fine to say you have no talent.

If the goal is achieved, it can be rephrased that there was sufficient talent necessary for that goal at that point in time.
In other words, lacking talent means being unable to achieve goals and either gaining no benefits or suffering disadvantages.

Kenichi was interesting and good, but…
I believe that I had talent, even if it wasn’t at the top level.
If you’re saying that the people called geniuses are just arrogant folks who haven’t worked hard to the point of dying, then that’s one thing.

Broly is a legendary Super Saiyan even though his father is Paragus.
It doesn’t matter where you were born.

I like settings where someone is suited for power, but it’s different from talent.
It’s more common in Kamen Rider, though.

It’s like counting unhatched chickens or there are some rough responses to the criticism…

I really like Yukimatsu from Eyeshield and Miyagi from Slam Dunk…

Isn’t the superpower battle meaningless when it comes to talent or effort?
“It’s just like, even if you suddenly become strong by saying something like ‘awakening,’ it just ends there, doesn’t it?”

Look at all the main characters, both enemies and allies, all are a mass of talent and lineage in FSS.
This month was about the resolution between characters from the commoners’ side.

I think Kenichi’s greatest talent is his sincerity.
I particularly feel this when I look at other characters in the story.

I think it’s pointless to worry about having talent until the results come out well.

Goku is treated as a representative of inherited talent and awakening systems because of things like Super Saiyan.
“It makes you think, this guy has been training all along…”

One way is not to set the protagonist’s goals unnecessarily high.
A young farmer from the village took vengeance by fighting to a standstill against a demon lord level foe who had destroyed his hometown after training desperately.
The hero’s party is off fighting the Four Heavenly Kings of the Demon Lord’s army, while the young man’s revenge is a petty and low-level battle, but it is certainly a testament to his existence, and that kind of emotional tone in the story is fine too.

I quite like the ending where they lose and it feels like a cutoff because they exhausted all their stamina in the previous game and couldn’t fully recover.