
Have you really thought that just by changing your heart everything would be resolved smoothly?! If the past could be wiped out with such an easy procedure, this world would belong to the villains!
If you had truly repented.
I love Fire Punch for the way the avenger firmly took revenge without hesitation in the development of the thread.
>>2“Doma is perfectly awkward and leaves a good aftertaste.”
I wasn’t protected like Thorfinn…
>>2If it were Agni as the opponent, Thorfinn would probably just get burned and that’s it…
>>2…I was relatively wimpy, but didn’t I end up doing something like Fire Punch!?
>>2Agni has forgiven.
Fire Punch did not forgive with its intense light.
>>2It’s not me.
My little sister said.
I don’t know.
It’s painful.
The development where someone says “Shut up and die!” over stuff like repentance and all that is popular now.
>>3It has been received better since long ago, hasn’t it?
>>7I will take both.
The statement “Return my family that you killed before you start spouting your high-minded theories!!” is too reasonable.
What I know from the thread is probably LisaThePainful.
It’s so terrible that both the protagonist and the treatment towards the protagonist make everything else seem unimportant.
And a new revenge begins.
I thought Ninja Slayer and other ninjas would be more about indiscriminate massacres, but they turned out to be more rational than I expected.
>>9It’s just that the words have been replaced with ninjas, but what they’re doing is still vampire-related.
I thought that made sense when I heard that.
>>9One of Fujikido’s charms is that he can’t quite abandon his humanity, no matter what.
I want to see the conflict in that kind of development, and whether or not there will be revenge doesn’t really matter.
In fact, I don’t care if you’re a good person or kind to animals! Just die!
Isn’t it irrelevant whether that person did any good deeds for the world after killing someone important to you?
>>15The average person who seeks revenge doesn’t want to commit murder if possible, so in a way, they are in a state of looking for alternatives they don’t want to pursue.
>>15Such a person has become someone important to someone else.
This time, I need to be prepared to be the one who gets revenged.
I like it when armored demons aren’t killed, and it all depends on the depiction.
However, maintaining a non-lethal approach requires strong character portrayal, and the bar for believability is high.
>>16Revenge and non-killing are completely unrelated.
Yamoto, quickly kill Fujikido.
>>18Responses from Naraku
>>27When I read it, I realized that grandpa is a type of evil spirit that understands a fair amount of conversation…
Thus, a new mad killer is born.
What did the dude in the picture do…?
>>20In front of my daughter, I killed her father and taunted, “You all died because you were weak and I was strong, right??” Later, my daughter came to take revenge.
>>25Well, that’s something that would be said about a thread image…
The avengers are probably just people who used to be good, so they are just hesitating.
Well, technically speaking, it would be fine to just kill it, but…
At the point of fussing around like this, you’re really just being spoiled.
If you are a revenge seeker, you would unconditionally smash their important possessions right in front of them and complete your revenge.
>>26What does that mean?
>>28No matter how much the enemy tries to apologize or whatever, killing them immediately is the satisfying revenge, right?
Thorfinn is only surviving because he is surrounded by good people; if a serious fighter came along, he would just get killed.
>>31It was just that Hildo was someone who, despite his tough exterior, couldn’t abandon his emotions, which helped a lot…
If it were someone like Ganso’s Van as the opponent, it seems like it would end with revenge in the scene from the thread image.
I hate it when a avenger gives in in this kind of development.
If you truly regret it, turn yourself in and face the law’s judgment, or take your own life.
Don’t live carelessly.
>>33But the Thorfinn in the thread image was genuinely working hard for others, not out of hypocrisy or anything…
>>33But I want to create a peaceful country… and there are many people who wish for that…
>>41Joey Bright…?
>>33It’s the worst-case scenario for a vengeful person to find out they were already dead by suicide.
If you just provide a reason and description that can break, then that’s a masterpiece.
>>34“Beyond the Grudges and Affections is indeed a masterpiece…”
If we retaliate with all our might, isn’t it a world ruled by villains?
But if I commit suicide, they’ll say I’m running away from death.
>>39For those who think that revenge is akin to Sudden Relief Japan, that would be more satisfying.
It’s nice when the other person becomes unhappy on their own without you getting your hands dirty.
>>44Most of the expulsion stories on Narou follow this pattern.
The current trend in revenge stories is that the enemy falls into ruin and dies on their own.
>>48There are common elements, but exile stories and revenge stories are fundamentally different, right?
>>52A banishment without revenge is like a table without a main dish.
>>61I think it’s just your imagination because there are many.
>>62Is there anything left of the former party that was exiled?
I think writing something like that would lead to a huge backlash from readers.
>>44That’s a perspective from the sidelines, not that of a avenger.
>>51Even after all the heated discussions about this, in the end, the feelings of the avenger and what happens next don’t really matter.
You’re only talking from an outsider’s perspective, wondering whether the reader feels good or not.
>>55At least the anonymous poster is expressing a vengeful sentiment.
The judgment of the law can only be established with the existence of a country or organization that governs it.
Sometimes the person is eager to accept revenge, but there are also cases where those around them do not allow it.
Well, from the perspective of those around, it’s an obvious reaction, but…
If it’s said that this world is ruled by villains, I honestly think that’s true…
>>47In order to fight against evil, the side of order must also get their hands dirty with evil…
It’s a good scene when Princess Leona forgives Hyunkel and Crocodine as representatives of the victims.
Hey, you can’t just take it upon yourself to forgive those soldiers or ordinary folks from the country that was massacred by those two! If a vengeance seeker shows up and says “Die, you idiots!” you can’t complain about it, right?
>>49It seems like Hyunkel is genuinely hated by various people whose families were killed, even if the princess forgives him.
Even if I become a vengeful person, I probably won’t be able to kill anyone, and I’ll just have to accept it.
First of all, the origin of revenge stories is that revenge ends up being futile…
>>56What is the original?
I think it’s some kind of mythology.
>>57Is it Cain and Abel?
Leona’s scene is truly iconic, but when viewed from a revenge story perspective, it becomes hard to accept when a high-ranking person who is also a victim says “forgive them because I’ve forgiven them!”
Well, whether it’s empty or not, you won’t know until you try, so I should finish the revenge first.
A dining table without a main dish has been quite common lately…
As you said, this time you’re the one being hunted, right?♡ And with your head blown off in the thread image, it’s over, isn’t it?
>>64That would mean affirming the person you want to take revenge on, after all.
>>64Since anyone could think of that, if it’s a creation, it needs to be more innovative.
Hunkel and Crocodine were just doing their jobs as part of the Demon King’s army, and on the contrary, I feel that Hunkel is worrying too much.
>>65Are you a Yakuza or what…
>>65It’s quite far-fetched reasoning to say it’s fine just because they were only working on the side of invasion and slaughter…
There are even characters who feel a sense of relief after killing creatures that were created for human convenience, like Godzilla, because they are considered pests!
Well, the old man Crocodine is a warrior too, but he’s also engaged in mass slaughter…
I think the main dish of being ostracized is the reaffirmation of oneself.
>>68I’ve never seen a protagonist who’s been exiled and is all weak.
I’ll get cheat abilities and a harem right away and become invincible.
The scene where Hild forgives Thorfinn is nice in itself, but there seems to be too much clutter in other parts.
>>75I was wondering if Thorfinn’s ambitions would end up going well while taking in various things, but then in the later part, he faced a torrent of backlash, and I’m like…
It seems there will be a development in next week’s Kamen Rider Geats that will be relevant to the thread.
>>77I’m quite looking forward to how it’s going to turn out.
Regarding Hyunkel and Crocodine, it seems to be a story where even death row inmates and criminals cooperated to fight because of the world’s crisis.
It’s a preachy manga.
That conflict is probably one of the attractions of revenge stories.
Modern revenge is disliked because it is simply about hitting back with legitimate violence to feel good.
>>81To whom…?
I think it’s understandable that a character like Kenshin exists in that era, but if he regrets his past that much, I also feel that he shouldn’t just run away to that conclusion, so it’s complicated.
Van at dawn tends to struggle quite a bit despite the rumors.
If my enemy were to turn into someone like Thorfinn, I would definitely beat them up and get super angry, but I feel like I wouldn’t be able to go as far as to kill them.
>>87It’s difficult to compare “Claw” alongside other revenge stories at the point of incomprehensible evil.
Regarding Hyunkel, it is clearly stated in the anime that the king died during the invasion.
It seems that many soldiers also swallowed the idea that if the princess whose father was killed forgives, then…
In the case of Gun Sword, it’s an opponent that you can freely kill without any hesitation, so the conversation changes a bit…
It can be frustrating when the avenger becomes the bad guy during the time when the allies are the ones being avenged.
If you can’t draw that area, then I feel like you shouldn’t make it a theme from the start.
It’s at a level where you have to kill instead of just saying it’s okay to kill, so there’s no time for conflict or anything like that.
I used to create tickling comics back in the day, but now I just enhance breasts, so I’m thinking of begging for my life when the author comes to kill me.
>>94Y-You!!
As for Hyunkel, he’s set out on a wandering journey, shaking off even the last woman.
If the orphan from Papunika, whose parents were killed, comes to take revenge and tries to kill me, I would probably just be killed without resistance.
It’s quite hopeless.
>>96HP: 1
>>96I can’t believe that a kid from around here, who is angry because his family was killed, could possibly kill the immortal man who even the Great Demon King and his elite couldn’t defeat…
>>101If Hyunkel gets serious, he’ll die.
>>101Why does it become a premise to fight?
I understand that achieving revenge is more likely to provide a sense of catharsis.
As a character, I prefer and feel a sense of goodwill toward a revenge seeker who hesitates or forgives in order to stop the chain of vengeance.
>>98As mentioned above, it’s a development that anyone could think of, so it’s just a matter of retaliating and ending it.
The dramatic element tends to decrease accordingly.
>>100I dislike manga that disregard the readers’ enjoyment in the name of drama.
They don’t understand the basics of entertainment.
>>106It’s about which one you value more after weighing them on a balance, not that you’re disregarding one of them.
Looking at it again, I have to say that it’s pretty outrageous, even if it was unavoidable given the timing.
Well, I guess this is also a way of talking to myself.
So by ensuring that allies with a history of murder are always killed, I eliminate any grudges and balance the scales!
>>105This is roughly Kawaguchi Kazuhira’s work.
It seems that’s not really the case after all.
>>121The protagonist who doesn’t take walks at night, the old man of the momentary strike in the void, and the killer Cossack Girls from “Dance with the Crescent Moon, Monster” are all still alive.
>>121Although it’s treated as a rule among fans, the author has denied it when asked, saying that there is no such rule…
Having multiple avengers at the party and showcasing the differences is also delightful.
>>107Protagonist: “The demon lord burned my village… I’ll kill him.”
Ally: “My lover was killed… I’ll kill.”
Heroine: “My pudding has been eaten… I forgive you.”
It’s like only the heroine has a heart that can forgive.
Even the noble Avan-sensei was defeated when faced with a child’s avenger…
In revenge stories, it somehow feels unsatisfying if the avenger doesn’t die as well.
Therefore, when it comes to villains, I prefer a scenario where they repent for their past actions in the end rather than being avenged by the victims.
The fact that Hyunkel becomes a target for jokes about his immortality is precisely because during the battle that put the world at stake, he was in a state of gritting his teeth, thinking “I’m like this, but I still can’t afford to die!” multiplied by infinity…
After all, it’s better to have a target for revenge who is a complete piece of crap with no room for sympathy.
Like Demon Slayer
>>112The confessional in JoJo went too far and became like a dad abuse…
I think Thorfinn’s thoughts leaned towards a utopian perspective, and while the various situations that occurred in the final parts were unavoidable, it is still painful for those of us who have been following it all along.
Crocodine somehow blended in smoothly with the human side considering what he had done, and he doesn’t seem to regret it that much…
Isn’t it that acts heavier than revenge or responsibility are more about the right atmosphere or context?
What would happen if the other party had changed their mind since the time of the Count of Monte Cristo? That’s probably an eternal issue.
Crocodine was originally a monster and a traitor, or rather a fallen general.
Thanks to that, it’s only natural for the victorious human army to treat him well; if they treat him poorly, it would be a disgrace.
Hunkel, who betrayed us as a human and joined the Demon King’s army, is indeed quite different in justification.
If you’re really strong, it’s wiser to overlook past actions and bring them to your side, so in the end, strength is justice.
Hyunkel seems to have been brainwashed and tainted by Mistburn’s dark fighting spirit, so there is room for forgiveness.
>>124That said, if a child comes at their parent with a knife raised, saying “I’ll get my revenge!”
It feels like I’m about to be stung.
How much damage it will take is another story.
It’s mostly a change of heart that reeks of decay.
>>125It’s fine because the person is saying it as a warning, but using it to bash other characters is disgraceful.
That being said, even though Fire Punch was mentioned as an example, Agni was completely different from the readers who felt refreshed…
>>126Revenge is just something for outsiders to feel good about, right?
>>130It’s a creation, but stop saying the worst things.
Well, Hyunkel would probably survive if he fell off a cliff or into a river after being stabbed.
I wonder what will happen to Thorfinn in the end…
Oh really!? I felt like that, but it might not be the same as feeling refreshed, Fire Punch.
>>131Since Chainsaw Man is an homage to Devilman, it’s a story about the kind of karma typical of Go Nagai.
The anus was one that anyone could see deserved to be killed.
Unlike Hyunkel, who presented himself directly before the princess of the destroyed country and entrusted her treatment to her,
The old man had been in a state of avoidance regarding such inquiries since he hadn’t interacted with the Ramos-related individuals he had been attacking since joining.
It seems like Doma has had a change of heart, but not really, and Fire Punch also feels like, “Huh?” with how it’s being done.
>>137But among the readers, it’s remembered as a爽快 revenge story where the reformed enemy is killed without question, so that’s fine.
Fujikido is also the family’s enemy! If a ninja comes, I’ll kill them…
Fire Punch is rather a work on revenge that doesn’t feel refreshing, right?
Doma has quite a bit of self-preservation and selfishness in what he’s saying, but…
That aside, Agni has really struggled, and even if he were to seek revenge, he didn’t intend to go after that family, yet somehow it feels like he ended up doing just that…
After that, there isn’t any development where I become defiant or happy about it; it’s far from that.
Saying that feels refreshing is just seeing revenge itself as a cliché, thinking that if you take revenge on the scum, it will feel refreshing.
>>141It was more of an impression that it became even messier as a result of that, so I thought there could be a perspective to see that as a neat and refreshing outcome…
>>141It’s more of a story about karma in a post-apocalyptic, extreme environment rather than revenge.
If you truly have repented, the first thing you should do is to go and apologize to the victims’ families, right?
>>143It’s a development that confronts Thorfinn with the fact that he hadn’t thought about that aspect regarding the thread.
>>143It’s important to create a nation…
>>143Hiiro’s apology tour is nice, isn’t it?
Unless you can bring the dead back to life and turn back time, there’s no way to forgive.
If the killer tries to atone for it by doing something, there is no other choice but to have the avenger score it.
Those who killed should not make excuses; sincerely explain what you did and convince the avenger.
Lelouch, who balanced things out by dying, somehow came back to life…
>>149I have atoned for my sins because I died once.
>>149In the face of character popularity that could be swayed at the level of the work itself without Lelouch… right?
The change in the mindset of the avenger is interesting, so whether or not they achieve their revenge isn’t that important to me, but there are times when, after spending a lot of time and effort preparing, I want them to succeed.
I think the revenge aspect of the fake captain rank in AGE is good.
Everyone! If you involve unrelated people, you have to make amends, right? That aside, I will tell the relatives of the revenge target to come for revenge too, and once it’s done, I will commend them.
>>154That is a big wound for Frit, so I don’t really want to praise it too much.
>>161But it’s out of the question to live comfortably while indiscriminately causing victims of revenge.
Being stabbed by a relative is a problem that arises somewhere unless the tribe is completely wiped out, so I think it’s a valid form of revenge.
>>161Veigan will be annihilated! It was necessary as a brake so that the plasma diver missile would no longer be fired…
I wonder what the origin of revenge stories is.
The Count of Monte Cristo?
I think it’s ideal to properly complete my revenge and then have someone else take revenge on me, resulting in my death.
>>156It’s fine for a movie or about the length of an original one-cour series.
If it’s a long series, there might be things that have been built up along the way, right?
>>156As expected, it’s Captain Grudeck…
Whether you want to see the workings of revenge or want to feel refreshed changes the conversation.
If you want to see the industry, watch Ideon or Zambot.
If it’s Sukiri, then it’s Gun x Sword.
When you seriously depict revenge, it turns into a heated debate.
When you think about it calmly in a battle manga, characters like this who are allowed to act like they’re part of the group and seem like good guys can sometimes be popular characters.
>>160As expected, it’s Vegeta…
The biggest sin of Thorfinn is turning a mecha-loving glasses girl into a bear-killing Goliath.
I was hoping the thread would provide some unique developments, but I was disappointed that it followed the template instead.
A character who is somehow forgiven due to protagonist privilege.
>>167The one who is forgiven becomes the protagonist.
Since Dragon Ball characters can be revived by Shenron, the conditions for this kind of topic are quite lenient.
Hyunkel is an enemy! When I tried to silently endure the attack, I unconsciously activated the No-Dan stance and the guy who attacked me seems to be torn in half by my finger.
I want those who do bad things to be properly judged.
Don’t let it end ambiguously.
The common theories of revenge found online often become clichéd and are discussed in a way that suits the development of the narrative in creative works.
Anyway, I feel like it’s a theory of revenge, like something cruel or something.
>>171It’s just a third party mocking.
The definition of revenge exists only within the revenger themselves.
That being said, if I cause harm to unrelated people out of revenge, I think I might either die or end up in prison.
I wonder if there aren’t many types of people who seek revenge over issues related to family honor lately.
Dragon Ball
The desire for revenge is ultimately just an emotional argument, and from the reader’s perspective, it’s simply a matter of disliking this person! There’s no need to come up with various logical explanations.
I wonder if Fire Punch will feel refreshing.
It was a strong feeling of having done something I shouldn’t have, even though it’s with a bastard.
>>177>この手のスレって毎度のルサンチマンになってな…That’s why it feels refreshing, right?
Ganso wouldn’t work if the target of revenge is a good person.
>>178It’s just as you would expect from a thrilling story about revenge; the plot is very well structured.
>>178Before we even consider whether it will work, the starting line of the discussion is already off, right?
The whole idea of revenge in the story is frankly just a justification for the protagonist to kill without feeling guilty.
I like stories about revenge that reflect the emptiness of a samurai society, like going to kill someone I’ve never met for a relative I’ve also never met.
It’s not important whether the person feels refreshed; what matters is how the readers perceive it, because that’s what influences the reception.
Threads like this always become the resentment of bullied kids…
>>182It’s not that I’m pretending to be a psychic and saying that bullied kids are venting their frustrations online, but don’t you understand that it’s a common-sense ethical issue that the perpetrators of bullying, or rather assault, should not be forgiven?
>>184It’s resentment, isn’t it?
>>184I understand.
Not realizing that suddenly bringing up a reality check here is part of answering is…
It’s sad to talk about always being a child…
>>188It’s not that it started suddenly, but rather because they suddenly began to say things like “the resentment of a bullied child”…
What if you fell in love with the target of revenge in Armored Demon Muramasa? The answer is that it doesn’t matter; this is just a balancing act, so I like the conclusion that it’s okay to kill.
Long sentences tend to feel spot on.
Many revenge stories on Narou seem to mock the “sama” trope, and in the end, it comes down to whether you can get hooked on that manga or not.
For now, I will have you undergo purification under the law.
I think it’s important whether the evil that was done is being reconciled.
For example, even if you kill the target of your revenge, if they die laughing without any remorse, it won’t feel satisfying at all.
>>193Ganso is no good…