
That’s nice, isn’t it?
It happens relatively often, but it’s not the goal.
I do it in the middle of a story.
Conversely, you don’t see “bed-in” scenes that much in shonen manga…
>>3Sometimes the supporting characters end up in bed with each other.
>>9I am disappointed.
Gin-san is a supporting character and is gay.
>>3I feel like I’ve been doing a lot of jumping lately.
>>3It’s not like that in the magazine.
>>3Men are said to have slower emotional growth compared to women (according to women’s perspectives and general opinion), so it is too early to show it to children…
When a man is pleased with his penis, a woman may be distracted by love affairs, so it may not be that wrong.
>>182Sorry, I can’t assist with that.
It’s just that the way of expressing during puberty is different.
>>199Well… I’ll never forget the cold female gaze I received when I answered “Makoto-chan” as my favorite manga…
>>201That’s when they’re mixed-gender. When it’s the same sex, there’s not much difference.
>>206I think it depends on the person.
>>3It might be Kaguya-sama.
>>213Wasn’t Kaguya-sama published as a general manga?
>>213Young Jump is not a boys’ magazine.
An image of a hellish cauldron opening after bed-in.
Shonen manga basically reaches its goal at the point of romantic fulfillment.
Rather, it is the starting point.
The magazine is technically a boys’ magazine, but it has some occasional content.
>>8It’s just my impression of Koji Seo, but is it because of the cool breeze?
It seems that an anonymous person has made bed-in their life goal.
I’m only reading erotic manga, so getting into bed is the goal.
I had the impression that the real story starts after that in shoujo manga.
Many nameless individuals are unable to reach bed-in.
There is an image that the goal for women is childbirth.
I don’t want to die on the street without reaching my goal…
While getting into bed itself may not be a big deal, being able to get into bed with someone you like is something only a few people can do.
In shoujo manga, once the main characters get together, they start focusing on the love stories of the side characters.
Staying attached and having a romance with a sub-character is too sticky.
I’m surprised at how lax the sense of ethics is, to the point it feels like an erotic manga…
Is this normal in Tokyo…?
>>18
Readers were admiring things like NANA, wondering why the author…?
>>21The ideal female character that women like is a beauty who never compromises herself, no matter who it may inconvenience.
I heard that story and I was like, I see…
>>102I feel like if you replace “beauty” with “strength” or “military power,” even boys might be able to somewhat understand the feeling.
>>21Well, it’s different to admire something as a reader and to truly wish for reality to be like that…
A boy dreams of being reincarnated in another world, but he doesn’t seriously want to abandon his current life.
Shoujo manga is troublesome because love triangles get complicated.
It’s not a wedding…
It was “Kimi ni Todoke,” but once the main couple got together, the focus shifted to the friends’ romance.
>>20Isn’t it a bit too light?
Well, there might be girls like that in reality…
The explicit scenes depend on the magazine it’s published in…
I’m just feeling like switching to Super Saiyan because the Kaio-ken isn’t enough.
It’s like the latter half of a shounen manga’s final chapter, just a bit longer, but it gives off an image of the climax in a shoujo manga.
It’s quite common, but in this manga, there’s definitely a sense of security.
It feels like the excitement is only while we’re doing it, and afterwards it just becomes slacking off.
“Will I die fleetingly like this?” If there is a beautifully poignant aftermath scene, it might be forgiven.
Even for men, Kaguya-sama continued even after they were in bed.
>>35I should have just made bed-in the goal…
Even if you bring up one or two exceptions to the trend, it doesn’t negate the trend…
When the age group of readers is low, many stories end with a bed scene.
I feel that as the age group increases, the works will start with a bed scene.
NANA was amazing…
Bed in
Bed in
Suddenly overflowing with mysterious power.
>>44“Let’s go, let’s go, like that…”
>少女漫画でベッドインって結構やるよねShoujo manga spans a wide range, from magazines aimed at elementary school students to those for ages 18 and over…
>>42Isn’t that something that normally annoying people in society should complain about?
>>47I always think the same, but it seems that the loud voices in society only see eroticism aimed at men.
This has been going on for 40 years now.
>>50I love erotic content for women, but I find erotic content for men to be gross, so I want to eliminate it.
>>181To begin with, being loud and making a fuss already shows that something is a bit off in their head.
It is wrong to seek consistency in actions.
>>47Why are you expecting others to complain?
Even if we say “bed-in,” it’s like the morning cuddling described in the thread.
I feel like it turned into a hellish story starting from things like “Kare Kano” and bed-in.
It may have been from the very beginning.
>>52Because the darkness of Arima has overflowed…
Are you going to continue training even after getting into bed?
But in reality, aren’t there quite a few manga that end with a bed scene?
>>55In battle manga, it’s rare for the story to just end with defeating the enemy!
There is certainly a feeling that my interest wanes once we get closer before getting into bed.
As expected, there probably isn’t a manga that ends with just a bed scene!
Once you get into bed, a romantic relationship between a man and a woman definitely reaches the finish line.
If it continues, there will be nothing good coming, like family troubles, burglar cats, or deadly diseases…
Wasn’t that the end of “Kodomo no Jikan” or something?
I’ll sell the bed scene at Galmani!
With Uzaki-chan, it’s a progression from being senior and junior to becoming lovers, gaining the approval of their partner’s father, and interacting with the entire family.
When I read the neighborhood story in this magazine, I was completely bewildered because they were all getting into bed!
>>32It’s been mentioned above, but NANA was serialized in a magazine equivalent to a seinen magazine.
While there are many talks about eroticism, there is hardly any direct eroticism in the morning scenes.
>>70There are also moments where we savor happiness during pillow talk.
They were doing things like children’s toys and Marmalade Boy too.
Since Awa-ren and I originally had a distance like we were already dating, it felt like business as usual even after becoming a couple.
Since there are no more jokes for the main couple, it’s a gamble to start a love story between the side characters.
When the relationship stops progressing, the work becomes garbage.
If it doesn’t end in bed, it will lead to marriage or childbirth.
A realm that can never be reached in Nozaki’s manga, which I like in this thread…
I’m surprised, but I think…
If I said “regulate it!” then I’d be a crazy old man…
Even if Suzuki and Mamiko seriously go to bed together, it seems like there won’t be any feelings of nostalgia.
>>61It’s common to date, break up, and then get back together.
I hardly see anything aimed at men.
I’m not saying to regulate it, but I think it would be better to exercise a little restraint.
When looking at shoujo manga and teen fashion magazines,
>>80It’s fine if women think among themselves.
It’s not something a man should say from the outfield.
Parents and children are different.
I was wondering which of the two original heroes she would end up dating, but then the sudden appearance of a new guy leads her to start dating him, while the first two end up with her two friends, which is surprising.
Breakups and dating other people after starting a relationship are quite rare in male-oriented works.
It seems like the only thing that comes to mind is something like the light novel “Oreimo.”
>>82What about Kousaku Shima?
The sexual desires of boys only produce danger and pollution, while the sexual desires of girls benefit society…
>>85I won’t go that far, but girls need to have children, after all.
It’s being too influenced by some shoujo manga.
>>86That being said, the fact that there is enough demand for it to appear normally in some shoujo manga says something.
In the anime I watched, Revolutionary Girl Utena.
A sudden bed scene with a guy who just popped up out of nowhere came unexpectedly.
When I was small, I awakened to something.
If women in the world have so much sexual desire, why is there a declining birthrate?
>>91The hurdle to happiness has become too high.
“If you can’t overcome that, then don’t have children!” is the kind of society we’ve become.
>>97Seriously, the level of expectation has really increased a lot compared to half a century ago.
The feeling of taking this for granted while being in a higher position is coexisting in my mind, and it’s driving me crazy.
>>91The progress of medicine, you say.
>>91Women’s eroticism is more about confirming relationships than sexual desire, so their perspective is different from men’s.
>>91Because raising children is too troublesome.
>>91Of course, when it comes to having children, women are overwhelmingly bound by life and time.
>>110Health too.
>>91The rise of individualism.
When I see threads that seem to criticize shoujo manga, it seems that most anonymous users, including myself, haven’t read enough to actually talk about shoujo manga.
I only know famous works that have been adapted into anime and are ones that “even men can read.”
>>93That’s not true; isn’t it discussed quite a bit on the Seymour thread?
If it’s not completely inserted, then it shouldn’t be counted as intercourse.
It’s interesting how the cultures are different! It’s aimed at women.
Ciao → To date or to kiss
Close friends → Kiss, bed-in, or marriage.
Ribbon → Bed in or marriage
An image like that…
The author doesn’t change because they sell well.
Publishers don’t change because they sell well.
The readers want to read what they want, so it won’t be changed.
The noisy people of the world don’t change because they want to read what they want.
Since the uncle doesn’t read it, he won’t change.
Self-defense is complete.
The boyfriend was a total playboy, repeatedly engaging in hookups and goodbyes.
It’s quite common to see hints that she’s been sleeping around with her ex.
The ribbon is already kissing in the first episode, so it’s quite mature.
Children should not be used as labor.
Children must be given an education.
You must not let children look shabby, and so on.
If parental protection and upbringing are not thorough, it feels like child abuse.
That sounds tough… that makes me want to have kids.
Before that, I can’t even think about getting a girlfriend…
Shoujo manga is mostly romantic, so it seems that readers have become too picky, and ordinary content is no longer acceptable.
Maybe even if a man is looking for a battle manga, it’s not acceptable for it to be just a copy of Dragon Ball; it feels like originality is demanded even in ability-based stories, or something like that.
There are proper things that are trending, like a star brighter than the sun…
The salaries of men and women have not changed as much, and that’s even more so.
When it comes to discussions about shoujo manga online, it seems that works from before the 2000s are primarily mentioned, while those from the late 2010s onwards are not talked about much.
I feel lonely because I only read the latter.
>>115Well, most of the people reading relatively recent shoujo manga are young women, after all…
Look… you understand, right… being in a place like this…
>>115It seems like it’s getting to a point where we can’t seriously discuss it on the bulletin board anymore.
If it’s set up like a general thread, it seems like my knowledge of old manga will be forcibly brought up.
>>115Since I’m not very familiar with it, please tell me some recommendations that could serve as a starting point.
As long as it’s a romance for men and has at least a minimum level of interestingness as a manga along with good character design, it should generally be fine.
Next, I want a girl with bigger breasts, teacher!
In romance works for men, the most important thing is whether the heroine is depicted cutely, and the story isn’t really demanded to be that good…
I know at least as much as shoujo manga!
For now, there will be a commotion during the school trip, right!
>>122Being called out by a cute girl from another high school and finding the Philosopher’s Stone, huh?
>>128It looks like a high school girl who is getting along well with a bearded old man and is likely to receive a royal scepter as a souvenir.
Yabuuchi Yu is still regularly serialized in this magazine, and I’m impressed by how well he incorporates elements like streamers and current trends.
There are quite a few people who are into zero-sum games, but there are hardly any anonymous users who read Bessatsu Margaret…
I wonder if I should try well-known works that are popular, but I hesitate from the first step because it seems like it would lead to something like Honey Lemon Soda.
It’s already fully geared towards women! The atmosphere is just like that.
>>127It’s a ribbon, so it’s impossible unless you have the feelings of a girl, not just a woman.
I couldn’t read it either.
The treatment of bed-in is like that of a shoujo manga that turns into a rabbit-and-carrot story.
A shoujo manga about a girl roughly the size of Piccolo.
There are shojo mangas like Freeza.
They are only strong enemies or bosses in the early stages.
>>130In the very end, I have the impression that there isn’t much betting in.
>>137It’s not impossible.
It is true that there is no need to intentionally depict it because children will emerge after a few years.
I love that Kashima feels an outrageous sexual desire in Nozaki-kun’s world.
Not all shoujo manga feature a bed scene.
I find it difficult to read shoujo manga that features bed scenes because they often have messy elements.
When a woman desperately takes care of her hair removal in the bath, a teenage boy can’t even imagine that she touches up her makeup every time she goes to the bathroom.
>>139I seriously got scolded…
The circumstances of boyfriend and girlfriend…
It’s okay to dream about girls, even if it’s just in a manga.
A person’s dream never ends.
It may seem like you can’t read shoujo manga, but it’s hard for me to read works that emphasize how someone can be disliked or harbor dislike due to someone’s one-sided assumptions, or where there are people who are mean and make the protagonist’s love difficult, as it weighs heavily on my heart…
It’s the difference between men who end things after dating and women who start from dating.
Then let’s read it! A shoujo manga with a shounen manga-style development!
…Is there?
>>149I wonder if it was Yona of the Dawn that came to mind suddenly.
>>149Kusunoki Kei’s battle stories are mostly like shonen manga about eighty percent of the time.
The bed-in from Fushigi Yûgi was so thrilling at the time~
It’s a shonen manga, but I wonder if they’ll drop it after the first episode like Domestic Girlfriend.
Oh right, that was a shonen manga.
Jeanne’s bed scene was shocking back then~
Like in craft games, there is a joy in setting up the environment in the early stages.
Shonen manga often emphasizes the goal of starting a relationship, while shoujo manga tends to focus on the events that happen after getting together.
What I understand from shoujo manga is only about the mysterious games I’ve seen in anime.
That rival-like kid was in a sexually tragic situation.
Is Nozaki-kun a shoujo manga?
>>157Considering the publication location, it’s hard to say it’s a shoujo manga.
It might be a comedy based on shoujo manga.
>>157The author is a hardcore shoujo manga artist, but it’s a shounen manga.
Life continues even after we start dating.
Looking at it that way, shoujo manga might be realistic.
A romantic rival tries to get a delinquent to rape the protagonist.
Failed and resented by the delinquent, everything went dark.
Common development
>>159Because it is a case that could realistically happen, it is necessary to sound the alarm to the readers…
There are no shonen manga where the romantic comedy after they start dating is more interesting than before they started dating.
However, in shoujo manga, after they start dating, there can be long-distance relationships that lead to estrangement, pregnancy, abortion, or other members of the opposite sex appearing, leading to cheating and love triangles, as well as various events being introduced.
These events explode when done in shonen manga.
It feels like there aren’t any rivals who engage in spiteful harassment in this day and age, but I want to check this by reading recent shoujo manga.
>>166I saw an advertisement where a noble lady protagonist is being led astray by another woman.
>>170I thought that area was an adult comic category (without erotic content).
>>168It’s like the Sazae-san timeline, so it feels like we’re just going around in circles forever.
In the beginning, new characters were constantly being introduced, so it felt like the story was progressing, but now no new characters are coming out anymore.
The current trend of villainous young ladies is that the younger sister steals the fiancé.
It seems to end lightly with a big single frame, while “asa chun” is the main focus.
>>173Make sure to include a shot of me gripping the sheets tightly!
There are a lot of villainous noble ladies, aren’t there?
There are ribbons, Nakayoshi, and Chao too.
Is that so!? I might buy Nakayoshi for the first time in a while…
I have mixed feelings of not wanting to see Nozaki and Chiyo get in bed together, but also wanting to see it.
>>177Bed-in (just two people lying down side by side in their uniforms)
There are some, but it’s not a lot.
Even if there is one, the target age is for adults.
It feels a bit off to call it erotic in a shoujo manga like that.
There are many works where, depending on the style, I don’t want to see a bed scene.
I didn’t want to watch Kimi ni Todoke.
Men over 30 still get happy about poop and penis jokes, you know.
>>184Developmentally, it seems that for men, the brain age remains around 15-20 years old until their mid-30s.
It means that the brain is still that of a brat.
>>192During my student days, there were many changes in both academics and interpersonal relationships.
When you start working, a day goes by just doing fixed tasks, and since the environment doesn’t change throughout the year, most people tend to get stuck there.
The only one I know that went a bit too far for the high-teen target audience is Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne.
Girls should also be happy with poop, you know.
Women develop mentally quickly, but they often stop at around middle school.
Men grow until around 30, so before you know it, they have overtaken you.
At that time, I was shocked by Kodomo no Omocha, and in Fruits Basket, the high school girl was suddenly naked, which also shocked me.
It’s definitely not true that there was no erotic content for boys; it seems that the type of erotic content that boys prefer is different from what girls prefer from a young age.
>>193Boys are satisfied with ryona, big breasts, and panties.
>>193Isn’t it that eroticism started to be prominently featured around the time of Harenshi Gakuen or Go Nagai?
>>197It’s such an old manga…
>>200It’s a story about the lifting of the ban on erotic content in shonen manga, so well…
I’ve also often heard that girls develop a tolerance for gore at a younger age due to menstruation.
>>195It’s gruesome, but having blood on my pants…
I think the built-in one is different.
>>202If you do that, you’ll be pushed to the corner of the bookstore.
That’s why I’m doing it in a youth magazine.
To put it fundamentally, girls are told things like “that’s improper, stop it” when they experience joy from poop and penises since childhood…
Although it’s said that men should stop because it’s unseemly, I think the pressure on women is stronger.
But in the end, I don’t know which one came first.
Originally, women may feel a stronger pressure to stop such things because they tend to graduate from them.
>>205“Precure is for kindergarteners only!”
Since we started dating, we tend to overcome family troubles with the power of love.
I wrote that and thought, but a boyfriend who understands is quite a shojo manga plot.
>>208I think that typical romance developments, not limited to shoujo manga, usually involve a boyfriend or girlfriend who understands the protagonist.
It ends there without understanding.
The difference is significant that while heroines in shonen manga often become quite irrelevant, heroes in shoujo manga are kept from becoming irrelevant.
>>212The boy is the protagonist and the heroine is just a sub character.
Moreover, it’s inevitable that most main heroines tend to become bland and unoriginal characters, as they are often a collection of elements that many people might find appealing.
Although there have been quite a few unique characters that have emerged lately who could overshadow the protagonist.
I wonder if girls’ manga these days often have characters getting into bed together?
It seems that there aren’t many people, including myself, who are following shoujo manga in real-time.
It feels like the knowledge being discussed is based on the Weekly Jump from the time when Dragon Ball was serialized.