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[Dragon Ball] It’s a bit late to ask, but why was Number 17 so favored in the super category?

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It was good because it looked cool.

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I was super happy to see 17th doing well.

It felt like I was dreaming.

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Rather, it is strange that Buu is being neglected.

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>>2

It’s not strange at all for a cheat character to be sealed for some reason as part of the development of a series.

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I never thought that the guy who was treated like a mere bonus would end up being so active…

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The nature of the activities is not simply that the strength has increased.

I was happy that a lot of it was due to the specs as a synthetic human and the person’s cleverness.

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Buu’s special abilities are a bit too strong when used normally…

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Boo had a main role in Toyotarou’s manga, so…

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There might be a backlash from how Super 17 was treated.

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The compatibility between unlimited energy and tournament regulations is too good.

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>>8

In the final battle, Jiren is at a level where he aims to take down his opponents first.

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Although the appearance hasn’t changed from back then, it’s cool that the inside has matured as an adult.

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You’ve casually become a married man with children!

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>>11

Is that so!?

I’ve already forgotten…

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>>17

In the ending, the family of three is cruising.

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>>17

I got married and adopted a child.

The original condition for participation was to receive a cruiser for a family trip around the world.

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>>141

That’s not a biological child, but an adopted one.

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>>149

I think there were 2 biological children and 1 adoptive child.

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>>152

It’s the opposite: one biological child and two adopted children.

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Boo feels so fake that even if he manages to appear in the main event, it seems like he’ll quickly make a stupid exit.

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You’ve really exaggerated saying it was already on par with Blue in the early stages.

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>>14

It is often said, but it falls short compared to blue.

Blue Kaio-ken, Kirabeji > Golfrie ≒ Blue ≧ Al Rice > around 17.

As mentioned in the story, the fact that Android 17 can always operate at full performance is really significant.

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>>36

As long as I don’t get defeated while buying time, other strong guys…

Usually, I run out of stamina…

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MVP of the power competition

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Rather, it is strange that Master Roshi is being treated favorably.

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>>16

I understand that, regardless of the reasoning behind their success, it’s not hard to see why one would want to favor them.

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Why hasn’t Shigeru Nakahara’s voice deteriorated?

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Isn’t it unfair that it can grow while being infinite energy?

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For some reason, I become a barrier character.

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Buu has infinite stamina and damage immunity as a healer, so he’s just too overpowered… Even if he were to appear, he would probably be taken out first by Jiren.

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Even in extreme situations, my mind stays sharp and my stamina doesn’t run out.

They accurately provide support and interference, and they also have a self-destructive technique that works on themselves.

From Jiren’s perspective, that’s certainly troublesome.

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A man who was only protecting animals from cosmic poachers has somehow reached the realm of gods.

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>>23

How strong are poachers, anyway?

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>>25

Serjunior and the others are also on the island of wild animals.

I became too strong to train them so they wouldn’t become pests.

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>>34

It’s way too scary that planet-destroying creatures are lurking in the wild so nonchalantly.

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>>34

How is Android 17, who is weaker than Cell’s first form, going to discipline Cell Jr., who is overwhelmingly stronger than Cell’s second form?

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>>39

That’s why it was necessary to become stronger.

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It should have been powerless even in its first form, let alone with cod roe…

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Once the content has matured, the guy whose abilities have somehow grown too.

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Despite having the most childish personality, he became the nicest guy who could read the room the best.

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The one that dealt the most damage to Jiren was the barrier that surrounded Jiren, right?

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>>29

Even though Goku had accumulated damage until then,

That stuff was good enough to make Jiren puke.

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Isn’t this quite possibly Doctor Gero’s masterpiece?

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>>30

It’s really true under the GT settings, so it’s a problem.

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Her voice was still as sexy as ever.

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Wasn’t it Android 18 who was putting up the barrier during the Cell Saga?

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I wonder if it’s because Boo doesn’t listen to anyone other than Satan, that he’s considered difficult to handle in team battles…

“Universe 6 arc? I don’t know.”

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>>33

The existence of a pure healer who can nullify damage other than instant death attacks is almost like cheating itself…

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>>37

Many people often say that, but why not just drop it immediately?

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It felt like I was a part of the participants, walking with everyone in the OP, but wasn’t I erased? Buu.

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>>40

You were turned into Freeza.

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>>40

It’s a disguise for the Freezer Surprise Theory…

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Not only the combat power of allies but also the crisis on Earth was inflating.

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Have you made up? That wit as a character is really great, isn’t it?

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If you only receive snack rays, you won’t die, and if you get hit by the safe theory, you’ll be unstoppable in the power tournament.

Flying is prohibited with the Flight Technique, so I can’t fly.

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17th > 7 Serge Juniors

So

Goten and Trunks are greater than seven Cell Juniors.

So honestly, it’s much better to bring Goten and Trunks along than to bring Tenshinhan and Krillin.

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>>45

Ten has the One Chance Ki Blast… and Krillin was personally chosen by Goku…

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>>45

Even if they have strength, those guys are nothing but amateurs in life-or-death battles, so that’s consistently no good.

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>>55

Even though we cornered Majin Buu in a life-or-death battle…

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>>55

Vegeta says this, but Goten and Trunks are warriors to the extent that they would take a combat stance even in a situation where they clearly know they would definitely die if they fought.

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When I think about it again, isn’t Dr. Gero a genius for being able to equip a humanoid-sized device with an inexhaustible energy source?

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>>50

The grandchildren casually mass-produce androids of the Super 17 level and also create Cell Max on the side; it’s too much of a genius lineage.

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The strongest party conceived by an ordinary person: Goku, Vegeta, Frieza.

The strongest party as envisioned by professionals: Goku, Frieza, Android 17.

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It’s nice that you have a high combat IQ.

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What kind of training have you done?

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>>54

Well, that’s the same for Frieza and others…

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>>56

Frieza has been training with the goal of surpassing Goku and practicing visualization in Hell, right?

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>>67

What the hell is this guy who can somewhat resolve stamina issues like this?

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>>56

Tagama-san, who had their mental health broken after a few months of being put through it…

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>>69

That guy has become a strong talent capable of beating up even an Al meal…

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Goku being able to always run at full speed while occasionally becoming normal or using Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 is honestly way too strong.

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It’s pretty casual how Goku thinks Monaka, who he believes to be as strong as Beerus, easily gives up on participating. It shows that the selection of participants has a rather relaxed vibe.

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>>59

If we count Krillin as a fighting force, then there’s no time.

I’ll just go with someone around here.

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Poachers probably gained a lot of experience because they disregard the rules.

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Goten and Trunks might make a big mistake if they get too carried away with their Fusion, Gotenks…

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Even Goku was cautious about conserving his power during the tournament.

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It’s not that I was able to fight because of those rules like Grandpa Turtle, but I was naturally super strong…

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The perpetual energy device is truly perpetual, it’s insane…

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It’s not just about bringing the ones with high combat power in order from the top.

It’s similar to what my grandfather said.

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>>71

But I have doubts when it’s said that Goten and Trunks lack that kind of sense.

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>>77

If I had to say whether it exists or not, I would say it doesn’t.

Goten couldn’t fly at first in the original work, and due to haphazard leveling, his control of ki is somewhat precarious.

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>>77

If Goku has made that judgment, then it must be true.

A single reader cannot make a judgment.

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The one with unexpected qualities will survive.

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The reason I’ve been able to perform this well is because there’s a regulation that says I can’t kill.

Everyone is getting out of breath little by little, but this guy never seems to be out of breath.

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Master Roshi can do things that only he can do, but Goten can only be a lower version of Goku.

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I wonder how many viewers could predict that this would be the one remaining in the strength competition.

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It seems like the original work has a stance that those who train properly will be rewarded.

Even if Ten-san became a non-competitive player, there were still some moments to show off.

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>>80

The fact that Ten-san lost to the rampaging Master Roshi, who was manipulated, shows that people who are really training have a rather warped perception of luck.

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The strongest is Master Roshi.

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Take care of nature.

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Choosing Master Roshi while ignoring Yamcha and Chiaotzu, or trying to revive Frieza, is completely based on the convenience of the production.

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>>83

Because it won’t be of any help…

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>>83

I’m sorry, but I’ll take those two along with my grandfather and Frieza.

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It’s great to be protecting nature, following the will of No. 16…

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Rather, in terms of maintaining composure in a crisis, Goten and Trunks are much more talented than Vegeta.

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Just having the Gamma series around makes the Earth safe, doesn’t it?

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Why were you defeated by Cell’s first form when you’re so strong?

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There was a story where a girl became a fan of Number 17 after seeing him, but when she saw the pitiful Number 17 from Z, she cried.

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It had an effect that looked like it was breaking when I dealt the finishing blow to the combined robot, but this guy was perfectly fine in the next episode.

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I feel like No. 18 has gotten stronger too.

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Even if the output increases, I can keep up with a perpetual motion machine, and just having the performance barrier that’s always at the top makes it okay for me to call myself one of the top scientists in that world. It’s ridiculous.

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Super 17 and Super Android 17

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Androids become stronger.

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>>98

These guys are almost like living beings.

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>>98

They are more like modified humans, 17 and 18.

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>>98

It’s like a state where the growth phase and the body in late adolescence never break down, so the more you train, the more you can grow.

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It’s nice to be heavily influenced by No. 16.

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Dumplings seem like they could be conveniently used in a tournament rule for group battles, don’t you think?

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>>101

Strong guys aren’t affected by superpowers…

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>>101

A Chaozu that can’t fly is just a degraded Yamcha.

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>>101

That only works on weak opponents, so in a tournament with only stronger ones, there’s nothing you can do other than self-destruct.

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>>115

In the tournaments of strength, there are opponents at a level where even Master Roshi can win based on skill, so it’s not just about facing stronger opponents.

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Regarding Goten and Trunks, Vegeta’s strong intention is to avoid involving children in battles related to life and death or destruction.

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I think the little duo is quick-witted but also the type to get caught up in the enemy’s schemes to the same extent.

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I wonder if the two Gammas have the right to participate in the power tournament.

There might be a Selmax.

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>>105

Even if it’s without gamma,

Almost at no cost, the accuracy of the selfish Goku has drastically improved.

A selfish Vegeta that is close to being equal to that.

Beast Gohan, equal to or greater than Selfish Goku.

Broly and Orekoro, at a level just below those three.

It’s too much of an overwhelming strength.

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Other than the self-destruct device, it’s made almost entirely of biological components! That’s been the setting since the Android Saga.

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It’s technically weaker than blue, but…

Being weaker than that blue form just means they are inferior to Goku and Vegeta who have surpassed the Zamasu arc.

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Is the original number 17 really that pathetic?

It just seems a bit silly that they were absorbed into a cell, but they seemed like they could still win against Kamikoro-san, so their status hasn’t diminished, right?

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>>110

There are no scenes that look bad just because you were hit in the cell, 17.

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>>110

Before thinking about being pathetic or anything like that, just absorb it.

The next scene that comes out is the Spirit Bomb scene.

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It felt like Yamcha wasn’t even considered as an option in the discussion of choices.

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It’s pointless to say various things to the selected members after seeing the content of the tournament…

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Is the potential for the underlying setting that is getting attention in GT and Super originally there?

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>>119

If I’m not going to introduce new characters and will choose from existing ones, it feels like there’s only 17 or 18 to pick from.

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>>119

No…

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Personally, I wished they would have taken Yamcha with them.

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I think quite a few people have their own fantasies about the members during the second power competition.

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>>121

There will definitely be a debate about whether or not to include Gamma No. 1.

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The tournament was too lawless with the Demon Seal Wave, but once it’s figured out, is it cost-effective for the enemy to use it or is it troublesome?

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Infinite energy matched well with the long-term power tournament.

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At the time of the original work, there is still a slight possibility that Chiaotzu is weaker than Master Roshi.

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It’s correct to choose Master Roshi because a person with diverse skills can create more spectacular moments.

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I wonder if they picked up the characters that became allies for the first time, Frieza and Number 17.

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The final battle party consists of Goku, Frieza, and Android 17! But I don’t think anyone would believe it.

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Buu hardly takes any damage unless it’s from another Buu.

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I think Jiren is not only strong, but also very skilled at using his energy, which is why he was suited for the tournament regulations.

What suited it even more was number 17.

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>>134

Since that Jiren was raising his concentration through meditation until the middle, it really shows that 17 is way too much of a cheat.

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I want to see Yamcha in action, but Yamcha being active outside of just defeating weak opponents feels a bit off to me.

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The exit comes really quickly, so the original character 17 has neither elements that increase nor decrease its stock.

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>>137

After I do it with Kamikoro-san, I get absorbed right away.

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Since Yamcha is already Yamcha, he doesn’t have any opportunities to shine in life anymore.

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>>138

A character that was thought to be active by continuously rehashing unfortunate gags and self-detonation gags from the cultivation man.

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I have one biological child and two adopted children, right?

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>>139

Eh…?

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What is this infinite energy all about…?

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Goten and Trunks don’t seem to think about pacing themselves.

Well, even if I just cause a big ruckus in the early stages and take down a few people, I’m still doing my job.

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Gohan is too much of a singular point, being scared like Beerus and Whis don’t know what that is… so scary…

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I wanted Janemba to make a reappearance while Akira Toriyama is still alive.

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I’m adopted.

Maybe we can make children.

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While I was fighting the wild Sergenians, they somehow became as strong as Blue.

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>>151

In other words, if Cell fights and trains… there’s no opponent…

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Goten and Trunks have a job to temporarily take over the nature conservation agency while Android 17 is away.

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By the way, the true reason for Android 17’s participation is that he is joining to repay a debt because Krillin is participating, so if Krillin wasn’t fighting, Android 17 wouldn’t participate either.

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It seems that the cell juniors have also become stronger.

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It’s the same with No. 18, but he’s also the benefactor who defused the bomb.

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Infinite stamina is powerful.

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If we revive Cell and make him train, he would probably grow immensely.

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Krillin is both a great benefactor and my brother-in-law.

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I was surprised by being called “brother-in-law.”

I’m really calm.

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I guess it will be the prototype for perpetual energy.

Is No. 16 also a permanent type?

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Non-decaying barrier

It can be too strong.

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I wanted to see the power of Buu after training and losing weight.

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Since it’s being modified at the cellular level, it’s likely that it will be inherited, including number 18, infinite energy.

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>>167

Marlon was a strong character?

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>>168

I was staying with Goten and Trunks in the nature reserve.

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If we hold a power competition again now

Selfish Goku, Willful Vegeta, Black Freeza

Broly, Beast Gohan, Orekoro

There’s no way, Jiren is going to be taken out in an instant.

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>>169

Jiren trained.

Jiren has made a triumphant comeback.

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Furthermore, I was told that if I make a mistake with my niece’s name again, I’ll be killed.

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Isn’t the specification drop for the 19th model too much to make it obedient?

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>>171

At the point of the machine-based 16th unit, it’s too uncooperative.

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The energy is infinite, but instead of being on the front lines as an attacker, it fires energy blasts with enough power from behind the main attacker that can’t be ignored.

If you don’t make a solid attack, the barrier won’t fall… that’s the position from the enemy’s perspective.

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Only the naming sense is bad.

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Honestly, 17 and 18 look more advanced than Cell.

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>>174

I really don’t understand why they were so fixated on absorption type.

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>>174

The completion of Cell’s first form is too late…

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Even Jiren can’t properly land a hit on someone as selfish as this, so you dodge with reflexes? Then just move faster than their reaction speed! If Gohan pushes through like that, it seems like it would lead to something unbelievable if Whis trains him in techniques.

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Since long ago, I have had a sensitivity to enjoy the unnecessary, and there were no bad works.

I was young.

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Cell Max, far superior to Cell, is also a bother.

I was able to make it, but…

Because I couldn’t create infinite energy even if I tried.

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>>178

Isn’t Gamma a perpetual version?

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>>184

In movies, there is a lot of capacity, but it is known that energy is finite.

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>>178

I think they just aren’t trying to make it as a hobby.

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Beast Gohan has so much power that I think he’s not good at holding back when fighting his opponents.

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>>179

Let’s have the strongest guy (Jiren) get killed and exit.

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I wonder what kind of modifications were made to create the artificial beings that surpassed the strongest Super Saiyan and Frieza at that time.

It seems that she is still human enough to bear children.

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It feels like No. 17 was at the final party with a last wish in mind.

Frieza absolutely wouldn’t say that.

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I trained! So I can somewhat manage super dimension.

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It’s interesting how Goku, with his calm mind and best thinking, is puzzled by Gohan’s statement about controlling his Beast form right before he loses his temper.

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Well, those who are strong from the start will improve even more with training.

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It’s a mystery that Gero himself didn’t make it permanent.

It might be impossible because I’m an old man.

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>>192

That seems difficult to do to myself.

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>>192

Energy absorption from the hands was probably a trend in the vomit of that time.

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Even if we say Buu is too strong, he doesn’t reach the god class, and if there are out-of-bounds rules, I don’t think he was overwhelmingly stronger than Android 17, Frieza, and Vegeta.

I would have preferred to see that rather than pulling out that bald guy.

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>>193

Which bald guy…

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It feels strange to be able to power up without emitting any energy.

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But there seem to be quite a few good sleepy punches that might work, right?

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Showing your own body and brain so openly is kind of masochistic, isn’t it?

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Buu performed well in what seems like a preliminary battle…

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