>>1

If it transforms into a giant ape, its power will instantly rise to the level of the Ginyu Force, which is too strong.

The color of the nipples is dark…!

Nappa is 4000.

>>5

If I transform into a Great Ape, my battle power will increase tenfold, so I’ll be able to hold my own against the fallen Dodoria too.

There are only three Saiyans, after all.

A number that only appears in anime, even at ten thousand.

The 4000 for Nappa is a value that doesn’t even appear in the anime, so you could say we don’t really understand anything.

>>46

During the Cell Games, Goku said, “I was a lot weaker when I was around Gohan’s age,” which shows he’s an absolute genius.

Stronger than Nappa but considerably weaker than Vegeta.

Unlike Frieza’s second form, where the numbers are no longer specified, the inflation on the ally side is incredible, isn’t it?

At 10,000, he would be comfortably stronger than King Vegeta, and he would be the clear strongest among the Saiyans at that time.

Dodoria and Zarbon are around 20,000, and the Great Ape is crazy.

>>13

I was moved by the original anime and had them appear here.

I later forgot that there was a character named Bardock…

Even though reason disappears, if it becomes a giant ape, it would have combat power comparable to a special forces team, so I understand the feeling of wanting to eliminate it before their numbers increase.

It’s the worst… Frieza and the Tsufurians…

Nappa’s fighting power is like a Super Famicom game… ?

>>16

In a complete collection, it’s about 4000.

Since Gohan deflected 2800 of his Special Beam Cannon with one hand and was surprised by Goku’s 5000, we can infer that it’s probably around that range.

“There is also a strong theory that the reason for being surprised by Goku’s 5000 was due to the sudden power-up, suggesting that it might actually be above 5000.”

If Saiyans with a certain level of power increase who cannot sense ki, then sudden assassinations would be too frightening.

You never know when and who might come up with a sensational one-shot gag that outshines everything else.

Rather, it’s impressive that Lord Frieza was able to keep such rabid dogs.

>>21

The Saiyans were creating a place to rampage quite casually, so the lower-ranking members didn’t mind being under Frieza’s command.

The prideful King Vegeta foolishly picked a fight.

Well, in any case, it seems like it will ultimately be destroyed.

Isn’t it scary that if you come back to life after nearly dying, your fighting power significantly increases?

You never know when it will become uncontrollable.

>>22

Because of this, both Zarbon and Dodoria were caught off guard and taken down.

It can be said the same for kiwi and Dodoria.

Since the ultra-Paragus was around 4000, the elite warriors might be roughly that strong.

The revival power-up works too well with the Frieza Force’s medical machine.

Mr. Toriyama, who praised the anime and said at the time that he wanted to feature Bardock in the original work, completely forgot about it in later years.

As expected, I hadn’t forgotten about Bardock himself.

It seems that the memories of the design I created have disappeared.

Isn’t it the official setting that if there’s an elite ape, even the apes who have lost their reason can be coordinated?

The giant ape transformation is crazy.

With this, the majority of the stars can be conquered with just low-level warriors.

Bardock nearly died twice in the TV special as well.

The fact that the gas boiler instilled trauma is incredible.

Paragus is also an elite Saiyan, you know.

>>33

That guy has risen from the ranks of the underlings to become a colonel, a considerable veteran.

However, he was aware that this was about his limit, so he aimed for further success with Broly.

Even a weakling with a combat power of 100 can be used effectively on a planet because it’s enough at 1000, which is amazing.

Vegeta is telling Nappa that if he calms down, it’s not a movement that can’t be captured.

In later years, the status gradually increases as it is added on.

Well, since he’s Kakarot’s dad, it feels like it’s okay if something happens…

Let’s boost Raditz too.

Even a lower-level warrior can reach around ten thousand if they get enough battle experience, so Raditz’s lack of growth is impressive.

Trunks young master! The Saiyans are originally a proud warrior race and

Even a weakling with a battle power of 2 can train hard and barely step into the realm of angels, so Saiyans are terrifying.

According to Toriyama’s assumption, it’s quite strong for a low rank.

The charm of Bardock isn’t in his battle power.

>>45

The performance when Bardock speaks is cool and nice, isn’t it?

Raditz is a bad uncle who tries to teach Pan bad things and gets scolded by Mr. Piccolo; it’s understandable that Chichi and Bulma see him as a negative example.

I’m happy to be somewhat friendly with Yamcha.

>>47

I want to learn a strange special move from my great-uncle and do a double sundae together.

In games, he only rarely gets the spotlight, even though he is Goku’s brother, which is extremely unfortunate.

It’s not that Frieza himself would be defeated, but if there are Saiyans on each planet and they rebel, it won’t be easy to suppress them all, so his business will progress very slowly.

>>51

There is also the legend of the Super Saiyan, so it would be troublesome if it were to appear in this.

They even breed with aliens.

>>54

I think this is quite a strong point.

I’m not sure if the official setting that Raditz has a cowardly personality and avoids danger, which results in him being low on combat power and not near death, was a fan theory or an actual canon detail.

>>55

At least during my childhood, I was expected to be paired with Vegeta.

It seems that in the Saiyan society, one is treated as a high-ranking warrior based on their birth strength.

Goku was around the same age as Gohan.

As expected, I haven’t faced off against Frieza or had my neck broken by Guldo…

On top of that, a pinch of an inexplicable natural talent.

>>56

Their personality is not suited for a warrior at all.

Well, it’s difficult to come to love fighting after having such experiences in childhood…

From Frieza’s and the Special Forces Doria and Zarbon’s perspective, most Saiyans are weak, but the rest of the Frieza army is only around 1500, so when you mention the Saiyan rebellion, it sounds incredibly bothersome.

Even if it’s a remote star, it’s impossible to invade by sending a completely defenseless baby with a combat power of 2…

Goku is nearly killed by Tao Pai Pai and also nearly killed by King Piccolo, it seems.

Paragus and Nappa are Saiyans, but they look old…

>>63

Well, there are adults with mature faces, after all.

Paragus is simply of the same generation as Vegeta, so he must be older.

I like the rough acting that is different from Thales and Black.

Because characters like Broly and Gohan-chan are also appearing in a buggy state…

But can ten people with 10,000 each win against 100,000?

Hearing Bardock and Turles’ performances as Goku Black makes me feel a strange emotion, realizing that seasoned veterans truly understand the allure of a dark hero.

Something like a scouter is nice, isn’t it?

It seems that even you, who are usually so carefree, have finally managed to grasp it…

I wonder if Vegeta King, weaker than young Vegeta, was stronger than Nappa, Raditz, or Cybermen.

Broly and Gohan tend to get endlessly stronger when they get angry, but they’re basically gentle at their core…

I can understand why Vegeta becomes strong; it’s clear that being of elite blood and a prince gives him a reason to grow.

It’s terrifying to think that Gohan, with such diluted blood as a child of the lowest-ranking warrior, is so incredibly strong; it’s like a sudden mutation.

>>75

Nappa said something like, “Half-Saiyans are strong, right?” so there seems to be some reason behind that.

>>76

Initially, Super Saiyan meant “the hybrid of a Saiyan and Earthling.”

It will disappear right away in that sense, but…

>>76

Vegeta and Nappa said that after seeing Gohan’s fighting power of 1307, so at that point, they had no other knowledge.

Well, if we measured the combat power of Trunks and Goten, it would probably exceed 10,000 normally.

Even if it’s only during a full moon, having a transformation that provides a tenfold increase in combat power for the entire species is certainly frightening.

There’s enough pressure to make Frieza nervous about the Super Saiyan legend.

Gohan has always received top ratings in terms of potential.

It seems that Saiyans tend to become stronger when they are half-breeds with a more gentle species.

On the contrary, how much has Raditz been slacking off?

>>82

Goku only has about 400…

In a year, it will exceed 8000.

>>84

It’s pretty much impossible to have a good mentor while being in a situation where you have Vegeta and Nappa as comrades, or to engage in a death struggle at the level of dying.

>>82

This is a common thing among Saiyans.

Once a certain level of strength is reached, there is no risk of getting critically injured in battle, so the increase in strength stops.

If you can’t win against an opponent, you’ll not only be on the brink of death but will be instantly killed!

In the main storyline of Dragon Ball, there aren’t any characters that are missing around the ten thousand mark.

I don’t know how strong someone is who can put up a good fight against Bardock.

Earthlings have weak combat power, but perhaps their cultural richness connects to the strength of Super Saiyans through that spiritual abundance.

>>85

In the anime, it was said that the Tsufuru people were massacred and their culture was absorbed.

Was it in the original work?

>>89

Although it doesn’t appear in the original work, it seems that the Tsuful people have been brought out based on the official settings by Mr. Toriyama.

I think there are such underlying settings that are not spoken about in the original work.

The giant ape 10 times is lawless, isn’t it…

Just the fact that 2000 or 3000 transformed all at once makes it really troublesome to rely on the Ginyu Force or, other than that, I have no choice but to step in myself.

Raditz seems like a nobody, huh?

>>87

Don’t get carried away.

>>87

Does that mean you were called a prodigy in your childhood but have fallen from grace?

Whether to call it inflation or adaptability.

Raditz’s power level of 1500 was extraordinary on Earth at the time, and if Raditz was a Saiyan with less talent than Goku…

He must have gone through even more incredible hardships than Goku in his youth.

For Frieza personally, it’s not a threat at all, but for the Frieza Force, it’s a bomb that could lose control at any moment.

I will destroy these guys.

The funniest thing is that Krillin can use the Spirit Slice, which gives him a chance against any opponent stronger than him.

>>92

It’s terrifying that Frieza’s second form, with a battle power of over 1 million, can lose its tail.

>>92

As expected, it was revealed that I can punch and break things when I’m up against someone like Jiren.

The importance of training with a sense of purpose.

Even an Earthling like Krillin can become stronger than Raditz just by training seriously for a year.

I saw a nameless Saiyan for the first time.

Dende and the Senzu beans are just cheats, but it still takes time to heal injuries.

Saiyans can become infinitely strong.

The circumstances in the kitchen are likely different now since the reconstruction.

Since this time, I’m ridiculously happy even compared to myself when it comes to Paragus 4000, which is even lower than garbage.

I think that those with a combat power of 1000 or more are basically rare and can be remembered by Lord Frieza.

Raditz’s technique names are so lame!

In the episode where the Tsufuru people’s setting appears, there is still no setting for Frieza, and it is said that Planet Vegeta was destroyed by the wrath of the gods.

Isn’t the old Broly for newborns over 10,000?

That guy is just a total bug.

From Frieza’s perspective, even if each Saiyan is just weak, the fact that even low-class warriors can reach 10,000 and then transform into a Great Ape to become ten times stronger, especially since they are present as a whole race, is incredibly annoying…

Has the setting of treating Kakarot as low in combat power and garbage been erased?

While it’s true that fearing factions is one of Zarbon’s arguments, it also has a correct aspect to it.

There is also a story that Frieza was destroyed not only because he was being annoying, but also because he incurred the wrath of the God of Destruction.

Since they send children with a single-digit combat power to invade, adult Saiyans with a three-digit power level would seem to be quite useful.

Even though weakling Raditz is quite strong with just a little over 1000, compared to Nappa, he’s trash.

I don’t know about Trunks and Goten, but since Gohan had a tail, maybe he can absorb Great Ape power…?

Even if Frieza doesn’t lose, it would be a huge loss if the elite warriors became casualties.

Even Goku in his childhood, with combat power that was practically garbage, was still extraordinarily strong on Earth.

>>114

Hmm… it’s not quite extraordinary to be defeated by a martial artist…

>>114

Not being killed when shot is not a human feat, right?

>>114

It wasn’t like that until you went to Master Roshi’s place.

If there are 53 Saiyans with a battle power of 10,000, it would be impossible to defeat Frieza.

First of all, there are only a handful of Frieza’s minions with a combat power over 10,000, and high combat power beings are likely quite rare.

I think it was an exaggeration to say that Frieza had always feared because his ancestor was killed by a Super Saiyan.

I don’t even want to use people like that as subcontractors.

The greatness of the Genki Dama is that it can transform the countless fighting powers into a chance.

For Frieza himself, whether it’s 1000 or 10,000 or turning into a Great Ape, they’re all equally weak, but for the other soldiers, it’s way too tough.

In a world where guns capable of killing people are widespread.

There are too many people on Earth who do not die from guns.

>>122

Well, I have the impression that there are many guys who, even if they have a gun, probably can’t win and would likely die if shot.

>>122

Androids are safe because they are stronger than the emperor of the universe.

If it were a pure Goku-level superhuman, there were quite a few on Earth.

Yajirobe is just living in the wild without training, yet compared to the early Goku, he is significantly stronger.

When it comes to talent, Yajirobe is something else.

Even before the early stages, if Goku becomes a Great Ape, he can win against Grandpa Gohan.

The giant ape transformation is so insane that I can’t understand why Vegeta was mocked so much around Frieza.

You were talking trash about the Ginyu Force and Vegeta, but once they transform into a Great Ape, all of you will be killed like trash.

You can really make fun of it.

>>128

The giant ape transformation has its weaknesses, and if it’s an elite force, they should be able to stop it or cut off its tail easily.

It’s quick for its size, but not necessarily fast for its combat power.

Speaking of which, Gohan during the Cell fight is actually younger than Goku in the early days.

Even if we can’t compete with Frieza, if a large number of them turn into giant apes and go on a rampage, both the subordinates and the facility would be destroyed, so as the president of a land development company, it would be very troubling.

If I’m all hyped up about transforming once a month, the remaining days are scary…

>>132

Because there is a way to burst and mix, Vegeta can transform anytime.

As long as you keep your tail tucked away in your battle suit, it won’t get cut off easily.

The giant ape is strong, but even if its performance has decreased, Goku in Kaio-ken is still formidable to some extent.

Since it was escaping, the speed isn’t overwhelmingly fast, and its tail is also somewhat fragile and can easily break like a balancing toy.

Even the early Krillin didn’t die when shot, but I wonder if that was because he was a character in a gag manga at that time…

>>135

During their childhood, Krillin and Goku wouldn’t have much of a difference, so it probably wouldn’t affect them normally.

If there isn’t a full moon, I can’t transform into a giant ape, and it takes quite a bit of time to use the Power Ball, which can also be discouraging. Plus, if the moon is destroyed or my tail is cut off, I revert back…

>>136

In other words, it’s a matter of how someone can act so boldly towards a person who could be unilaterally killed like trash given the right conditions.

It’s like Kyu was killed because he got too cocky.

The exposed weakness is just the right balance.

Guldo and Burta are strong as a deterrent.

Also, since it’s not possible to secretly kill during the Great Ape transformation, it leads to people gathering and worsens the situation.

Since Bulma was surprised, I think it’s fair to say that not getting shot and dying is quite exceptional.

It’s crazy that Bulma can casually shoot someone before that.

>>141

It was a rural area with a rich young lady and seemingly no one else around…

The fact that Goku can escape to some extent even from the Great Ape Vegeta means that…

The other Saiyans’ Great Apes may not be that fast, regardless of their power…

I think it would be troublesome if a giant ape wrapped its tail around its waist like a human, but it won’t do that, right?

>>144

There is a certain power, like Vegeta, that can maintain rationality, but it can also cause your mind to become dull.

Make the ball → Throw it and make it shine → Thump thump

It gets repeatedly beaten up in between.

Even if you start fighting in gorilla mode, isn’t it a state of brain muscle that’s even beyond Mukin-Kusu?

Satan was properly shot and was on the verge of death.

I wonder if Goku used to transform into a Great Ape once a month until the God took his tail.

>>148

My grandfather taught me not to go outside during a full moon because monsters come out, and I basically followed that rule.

>>148

You can’t transform unless you absorb through your eyes.

And since I was strictly told by the old man not to go outside on the full moon, it has become a habit, so I’m probably not transforming that much… I hope.

>>148

As long as you don’t see the full moon, you’ll be fine.

The Saiyan body is indeed talent itself.

And the existence known as Saiyans is a sin created by God, and could it not be that Zamasu, the one true God, is the one truly suited for the body of a Saiyan?

In the rear group, even if it’s a giant ape, most of the fighters are low-ranking, so their reason is lost and they can’t maintain control.

There’s a possibility that we might start fighting among ourselves…

Blessed with a dedicated BGM as well.

It’s a parody, but it’s super cool.

Even if you guard like Tenshinhan against Raditz, you’re at a level where Nappa can still cut off your arm.

Getting my tail cut by Yajirobe has been quite a noise.

Even if I become a giant ape, my speed is still enough, so I won’t be easily cut.

As expected, it’s not like the speed is ten times faster, but it’s not something you would just take knowing your opponent is aiming for that.

I don’t really understand why he got angry at Yajirobe, but… was it because he was hiding his energy?

>>157

Vegeta can’t measure ki, so it doesn’t mean much… I thought, but if they are nearby, like during the battle with Nappa or waiting periods, I remember that you could tell with the scouter when their power levels were getting close.

Because they are barbaric, the typical Saiyan fits their nature by rampaging, ravaging, and eating and sleeping.

I guess Frieza really loved preparing those environments.

King Vegeta was furious.

Because the gorilla of Super Elite Prince Vegeta was quickly cut down.

It seems like anyone can easily become a complete weak gorilla.

I feel like it was mentioned in the main story that young Goku goes to bed early, so this is his first time seeing the full moon.

Regular Saiyans can’t create Power Balls and can’t maintain their reason, so if you know their weakness, you can handle them easily.

If I can’t cut the tail, I can at least destroy the moon…

Since the Power Ball is also a mass of energy, I wonder if it can be offset.

Wasn’t Yajirobe completely unaware at that time, or did he not even know he was there?

That sword and those trunks’ sword too.

Earth’s refining technology is

The technological prowess of Earth is astounding because of some geniuses.

>>168

The time machine is seriously amazing.