>>2

No, if it’s 6, the customers have the advantage.

The reason it doesn’t collapse is because it doesn’t take in 6.

>>3

It looks like a lineup of people who have never suddenly hit before.

>>62

If the whole machine is 6, the store will definitely go out of business.

Huh!?

The key to winning at gambling is to stop when you win, even if it’s a small amount, and never gamble again.

>>5

I only play at the arcade because I dislike this.

I’m coming because I want to play the game, and since coins don’t turn into money, I won’t feel like I’ve lost anything even after using them all up.

Even if divided carelessly, there’s a type that almost never loses and tends to gradually rise, and a type that tends to produce a lot but loses due to weak pulls.

The original source is the latter.

Normally, I can win about 1 in 6 times, but with this, I can win about 2 in 3 times.

Being behind means that a comeback victory will come after this.

>>9

Have you ever won with that?

>>74

It seems like there’s a misunderstanding, but winning isn’t that rare.

I can’t believe I can stay here for so long with those noisy, cigarette-smelling crazy people wandering around, along with the violence of loud noises and lights.

The number “1/319” which is often seen on slot machines.

This means that a big win is expected once in every 319 spins.

However, in reality, it does not necessarily hit within 319 spins.

Since it is a probability problem, there may be instances where you do not win even after exceeding 319 spins.

In the case of a slot machine with “1/319,” the probability of winning big within 319 spins is approximately 63.3%.

In other words, the probability of hitting within 319 spins is approximately a little over 60%.

On the other hand, probability-wise, there is about a 37% chance that you won’t win even after 319 spins.

In other words, even with a high probability, there is a chance of 30% or more of missing out.

When you’re not hitting, you just won’t hit at all…

I’m seriously thinking that since I missed 1/100, next time it’ll be 1/99.

Isn’t it good to draw a lottery with one winning ticket among 319 every time?

In Sumire-chan’s case, even if she hits here, she will use that as capital to bet further, so this response is correct.

I’ll keep hitting until I lose, so even if I won today, next time I’ll be empty, it’s the same.

The original game is the type where even with a good setup, you put in 100,000 and get out 200,000, so it might be worse to play it with 50,000…

Well, if you don’t have much of a bankroll, you can just play slots or something…

“It’s easy to understand if you replace it with ‘I rolled the dice 30 times and didn’t get a 1, so it’s about time it comes out!'”

I don’t want to, but since I’m not making money from my main job, I have no choice but to play pachinko and slots.

>>24

Get a part-time job.

If you immerse yourself in it, you’ll end up with old ears in your 30s, so it’s better to stop.

The debt is being repaid even though the money hasn’t come back to me, so the profit itself is quite large.

Even the gacha in social games can’t be trusted except for the ceiling.

Overflowing in an instant in my mind.

Information like garbage

I heard that in the past you could win, but how is it actually?

>>30

Right now, the store doesn’t have any leeway either.

In the past, the prices and lifespans of machines were on a completely different level than now, so there was room to put in high settings.

I actually think it’s the gambler’s fallacy, but perhaps it has somehow morphed into nonsense over time.

>>31

I don’t know when it changed.

I think this way gives a stronger sense of babbling while still half-asleep, which is good.

It’s a fact that I’ve found a machine where the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of the player, and the decision to play it isn’t wrong either.

Sadly, everything I’ve done on a daily basis has been wrong.

Even with the same model, the lottery content can differ depending on the machine.

It is a type of gambling where it is normal for the house to lose over the course of a day.

It’s too difficult to convey that.

First of all, Sumire-chan, who can’t even get into AT, is out of the question.

No matter how much it is 6.

Even if it’s a 6, deciding to quit because of a bad draw is completely superstitious.

I have no choice but to hit.

Gamblers all chant the spell that they are “winning overall,” right?

It seems they probably win regardless of how shabby they look, so that’s why they probably keep coming out in droves.

>>39

This is a cliché, but I’ve never actually seen anyone say it.

It’s not easy to hit 1 in 319 on a slot machine.

Setting 6 is something you can’t really get into unless it’s an event day or something like that.

So when you display such decorative changes or suggestive ads on the site, the fools flock to it.

It’s just that the person who bets 50,000 is to blame.

According to the stories I’ve heard from people who are into pachinko and pachislo, it seems that the fun comes from losing money.

I don’t really understand.

>>43

It’s probably like liking being cucked.

Sometimes you win with a 1 and sometimes you lose with a 6.

And at times like this, you usually end up losing just as you are.

If the best settings are set to 6, it is generally true that you can win, but it is not guaranteed.

It’s up to you whether you believe the part about pulling setting 6.

6 is simply a loss-leader promotional service for attracting customers.

It’s only natural that the store also expects to incur losses there.

If it’s about 6, I might want to say, “Shut up.”

The results are already out…

>>50

Even with 6 confirmed, it doesn’t guarantee a win, and the person who sat down afterwards is lucky because they are fortunate.

If I sit down, it doesn’t mean I’ll definitely win at all.

>>55

No, that’s occult.

>>60

Those who believe that with setting 6, they will definitely win are the ones who are into the occult.

Even though time has already been spent on this situation.

>>89

I’m not saying we’ll definitely win, but…

They’re saying you can only hit based on expected value.

Quitting because of luck is no different from a superstition.

>>99

That’s a story for when you still have your own money left.

>>99

Look at the thread image.

>>118

Were you thinking you were talking to Sumire-chan?

>>128

This is a thread discussing which side is right in this situation.

>>128

Why did you think I was talking about something unrelated to the thread image?

Just like with watermelons and cherries, if you don’t aim for them each time, small scratches will accumulate.

Pachinko is roughly correct to say it’s like a 1/319 lottery, but with slots, there are ceiling limits and heavenly features, making it difficult to explain in simple terms…

Playing pachinko is more fun than playing slots at the arcade.

Twisting the nails in a silly way and spinning like a fool, so you can have quite a bit of fun for 100 yen.

>>54

Sometimes you need to invest more while playing on the right side because the payout turns into coins.

>>56

Some stores don’t allow you to insert medals, right?

Well, even if you add more at the right moment, it still spits out more medals than that, so it’s fine.

You won’t know if there’s a win in the remaining ones that you didn’t spin unless you try spinning them.

>>57

That’s the essence of it, after all.

If you’ve run out of money, then it’s already a loss.

It’s Sumire-chan’s fault for going to the slots with just 50,000 yen.

>>63

That’s all there is to it.

>>64

Even if I buy it, 50,000 for VVVV is…

If I had just stuck with pachinko, I wouldn’t have to go through this.

>>65

You can just look at whether it spins or not without thinking about the settings or anything.

No stores are doing well other than Umi Eva!

In reality, the odds are set very high, so it was a timing where if I just hit it once, it would come pouring out, but I ended up losing all my assets at such an incredibly lucky timing, so it feels like it’s my fate not to win anymore.

Making customers believe they can win is an important part of getting them stuck in the game, so I’m showing what looks like a strategy guide.

>>67

If what you’re saying is true, then it’s a positive expectation, so it’s a bit different from that kind of conversation.

The 30,000 yen beef bowl was no good because someone at work said it was too close.

If it’s 6, then you have no choice but to hit until you can’t anymore.

It’s fine to decide to quit because the luck is bad, but that’s just a gambler’s fallacy.

>>70

You’ve already hit as far as you can, right?!

Even if I hit it afterwards, it’s my fault for not having the capital.

When rich people play pachinko, the contrast between when they report a big win and when they report a big loss is striking.

>>72

Sometimes when I see someone keeping track of their income and expenses, I think about that plus and minus.

I feel like my senses might go crazy…

I’ll put in another 50,000, but if that doesn’t win, don’t ever say you’re going to gamble again.

If you lend it with that premise and it still doesn’t come back, then I’ll abandon it.

It’s sad to hear that they were hitting but had to stop because the closing time was approaching.

There are wins for players at each table, but when you think about the whole hall, it’s very clear that the players are losing.

>>78

Furthermore, I think it’s hard to convey that the house can also lose on a daily basis.

Because it’s something that would never happen in public gambling.

My acquaintance was bragging that they can now consistently win at pachinko.

I’ve never played pachinko, so I thought it was amazing, but I didn’t ask for any details.

>>80

It’s simply lucky, so next time I’ll probably lose a lot and curse that gambling is crap.

It’s mentioned above, but in pachinko, there are basically no settings, and it’s all about how many times you can play for 1000 yen.

“Investing 100,000 can lead to a miraculous V-monkey, but it can also sink just as easily; that’s VVVV.”

There are people who often misunderstand, but the idea that the store side always wins is…

One person may win, but three people lose, so it’s just that it can be recouped; it doesn’t mean there are no winners.

If you’re in heaven mode, then it’s probably somewhat fitting.

Isn’t it crazy how you can spend unlimited money on pachislo?

I touched on horse racing a little bit, but since the feeling of payment is clearly separated, it seemed a bit more bearable.

>>85

Isn’t it the other way around?

If everyone loses, then that kind of shop won’t attract customers.

It’s a 6 certainty for VVVV, right?

Since the machine payout is around 115%, the expected value from playing for a day is probably around plus 100,000 yen.

If we’re talking about expected value, isn’t the only option to actually invest?

>>91

If you have infinite funds, you can keep investing and eventually win someday…

>>91

As long as it’s within the range of my own wallet, that’s all that matters.

>>91

That’s something only those who have plenty of starting capital can do; those who run out of money at 50,000 should not attempt it.

It’s quite common to win even when playing a machine you don’t know well without much thought.

That’s why it works as entertainment.

If we’re talking about expected value, the assumption that you can recover in one day is simply unrealistic.

>>93

So there’s no choice but to keep playing until time runs out.

Most of the setting 6 is just a figment of the imagination.

Someone who believes they can always win with setting 6 is probably unaware that they have lost with setting 6 in the past.

Did you really secure it for free? Wasn’t it for this month? That’s generous.

It was a scary episode where there were quite a few fans of the original source who were positive about Sumire-chan and liked pachinko.

>>100

It’s not an exaggeration to say that there were things in the past.

During the heyday of Type A machines, a high setting would definitely yield a daily income of over 100,000 yen.

>>102

I’m not very happy with that amount…

>>108

It’s about 200,000 in present value, so it’s significant.

It’s more stable compared to AT machines.

Is it something that can be confirmed for certain that it’s setting 6?

>>103

Sometimes a performance will appear that guarantees it when this comes out.

That’s what the gold frame is.

>>103

It depends on the manufacturer, but there are instances where something is suggested to indicate a high setting (though it’s not actually high), and sometimes there are definite cases of this happening…

It’s correct that when it comes out, it gushes.

Nonsense that’s correct.

I heard that if you do it for a whole day, you can win, but I got scared wondering how much it would cost…

Even though it doesn’t hit, it melts quickly, so I won’t do it again.

It can’t be helped to just go for it.

Even if I run out of seed money, trying to gather it all together is not right.

It’s not wrong to say that it’s not a situation where one should borrow from others to do it.

So, Sumire-chan is mistaken.

What I’m saying here is really not wrong at all.

It’s too bad, but your usual behavior has been wrong.

>>115

It’s not wrong to say “it’s amazing when it comes out!” but this behavior is wrong and just the ramblings of a gambler.

Once or twice a year.

I play pachinko based on anime for about 2000 yen.

Just putting in 1000 yen makes it tense up, so I probably don’t suit pachinko.

It’s impressive that people put in ten-thousand yen bills.

>>117

Farewell, Yukichi! Those who are doing it are really amazing.

I’m going to the super sento with that Yukichi.

It gives the impression that people who are addicted to pachislot play even when it’s not set to level 6, which leads to losses.

I’ll have you write a promissory note, but if it’s a guaranteed 6 for VV, I might let you borrow it.

That’s the kind of machine it is.

I want to see Million God.

To begin with, it’s questionable whether the initial 50,000 can truly be considered Sumire-chan’s money.

Playing the slot game on the app was so empty that I thought I would never play the actual machine in my life.

I often heard stories about the first Million God, where the game was so crazy that you either won big or ended up in despair.

I don’t really understand, but in short, can you not win absolutely even in the state of the image?

>>127

Yes

But it is a rare, once-in-a-lifetime level of great opportunity.

>>127

There is no absolute.

The probability of winning is high.

Even if I give you 10,000 steps, I immediately understood how amazing it is to hit the 6 confirmation on this machine!

You shouldn’t consult with anyone who only lends money on the spot.

When you lend money to this kind of scum, they worship you like a god when borrowing.

I don’t like it when they say it like a demon when I request a return…

Probably a big chance that it wouldn’t be strange if I could never hit again.

The machine that ended up being discarded is giving out a lot of prizes.

>>134

That’s just because that person did well, so there’s a possibility that Sumi-chan would have lost if she had done it.

From a meta perspective, it probably ends up being like that, both in terms of the borrowed route and the punchline of the manga.

>>134

Still, I don’t feel like lending money.

However, after this, Sumire-chan ended up being taken care of by the police and was unable to continue, getting collected by the hyenas.

I haven’t played slots for about 10 years, but I heard it’s no longer the type where you charge a card.

>>137

Well, it hasn’t changed.

Regarding slot machines, the feeling is similar to that of an old man digging for diamonds.

Since there is a ceiling, if you keep spinning, the diamonds will eventually come out.

The size of the diamond deposits that come out depends on luck.

If it’s setting 6, you can basically profit infinitely as long as you have unlimited money.

>>141

There’s still time until closing, but if it’s during the day, I guess I have to go for it…

Listen, Sumire-chan

Once you start borrowing money to gamble, it’s all over.

Yusei is too pitiful.

>>146

The more you know about the era of idol Sumire-chan, the sadder it becomes.

What’s wrong is that Sumire-chan didn’t prepare the 200,000 yen in seed money anticipating this situation.

>>147

For some reason, it’s Yu-kun’s fault for not letting me take it out.

There are indeed people who win overall, but having an initial capital, the number of attempts, luck, and the ability to know when to quit are essential.

I guess it’s my limit that I can’t drop YuuP here…

Since you don’t understand expected value, our conversation is completely off track.

>>150

Talking about the expected value of gambling to high school students is…

If anything, Yusei might actually know about the expectations themselves.

With that reasoning, it might just be met with a calm response saying that you would need infinite money.

Rather than winning or losing, I just want to dive into a super hara-kiri if it’s a guaranteed six, and let the brain juice flow.

If you only play the winning machines, you’re sure to make a profit.

The expected value is, after all, just the expected value, and this is an important aspect of gambling.

From YuP’s perspective, no matter how good the machine is said to be, he can only think that he’s already lost 50,000 yen.

Because there’s too little persuasive power, it would have been better to borrow 100,000 at the beginning; that had more potential.

In the past, there were events with setting 6 where you could even open up the machine and check its contents.

Pachislot is not a general term for pachinko and slots, huh?

If you had clearly explained the expected value, Yusei might have let you out…

As mentioned above, even if I borrow 50,000 here and receive 100,000.

Well, if you return 50,000 from there, it won’t be that you’ve made a profit of 50,000.

I might end up putting in 100,000 on another day…

>>163

If you don’t use it, it won’t have a negative impact, and you won’t waste time either…

Pachi is a huge waste of time.

At the point of playing Korean-style gambling, it’s an illness of the mind, isn’t it?

“Things like Hwabyeong.”

When I see my parents continuously playing pachinko and winning, I feel an overwhelming sense of inequality.

From Yusei’s perspective, since he’s earning and distributing steadily in units of a million, he probably doesn’t find much appeal in slot machines.

>>167

This guy is gambling on the house side, so it’s on a completely different level from just playing around.

If I borrowed this and hit a jackpot of ten thousand, I guess it would come back to me.

Rather than losing, it’s clear that if you win about 60,000, you won’t come back, so the side lending is at a considerable disadvantage and it’s a bet with no profit.

Don’t talk about intelligence in pachinko.

If you can win, make sure to hit the jackpot by 50,000.

Even with this, there are times when you simply lose, so the boy is correct.

If you guess half of the front or back correctly, your stake will be returned tripled.

You can think of it as something like that.

It may not be guaranteed that you can win in a short period, but in terms of expected value, you can definitely make a profit.

I understand the feeling of wanting to prepare money by any means necessary after winning with 2000 people on the island and running out of funds after six draws.

>>175

I understand how you feel, but don’t line up on the island for 50,000.

How much money would have been enough as military funds in the first place? About 30?

>>176

There is a limit to the number of seconds you can spin the slot, so even if you play a lot, it’s about 30,000 in an hour.

Even if I get hooked for a whole day, 300,000 yen is generally enough, but since there’s a ceiling, I can recover some money here and there, so I probably won’t have to use that much…

Especially if it’s a high setting.

Even so, it could be said that it was profitable during the bubble era.

Because it’s the Reiwa era.

I completely understand that those who play pachinko are fools.

>>178

This is the type of thing that would be problematic if it became a standard.

>>178

Was the discussion about expected value difficult?

I make it a point not to listen seriously to those who start talking about winning based on expected value.

It’s not about whether it’s true or not…

That’s a terrible thing to say.

Well, it’s a fact, so it’s unavoidable.

It’s true that it would be wiser not to intervene.

Don’t take seriously what the slot players say.

Even if it’s true that we can win on this day, looking at it long-term, it’s clear we should not lend money.

If you’re going to be so emotional, then even more so.

In the end, it’s just a game of ball-throwing that we’re being entertained with over there.