
What is happening on Earth, at the limits of feeling neglected…? Gintama, Chapter 608. Jump is on Mondays, Magazine and Sunday are on Wednesdays. Sorachi Hideaki, explain the situation.
I only have memories of Master Shoin being either an enemy or an ally.
I seriously only remember the content from the final chapter of Final Fantasy.
I ended up thinking this is what I wanted to draw.
>>3
I wanted to depict the enemy, but after calculating the final destination, it felt like it became an incredibly long story by placing characters that have appeared so far to have a significant role.
>>6
It feels like I had no choice but to do it since I depicted darker aspects like the story of Rengoku Kyojuro and the children of the Genkai early on.
There are only enemies that serve as pieces for allied characters to shine, but in return, one enemy character will take on several active roles.
There are quite a few people who rank higher in discussions about strength.
Pakuyasa
The seriousness in gag manga is funny because it has 1% seriousness mixed in with 99% gags, but a gag manga that is about 80% serious is not amusing.
>>7
It’s tough hearing similar complaints as Shinohara-sensei.
Does it feel like you can’t accept it as such?
>>11
It’s especially true for Mr. Shinohara, but the seriousness is sticking out too much from the usual gags.
>>11
Gintama was still taken seriously to some extent.
I think it’s quite extreme for both Skedon and Witch to have disciples whose seriousness results in a significant drop in their surveys.
>>7
It’s fine if it’s serious, as long as it’s interesting.
The serious long story is consistently boring compared to the maximum intensity of the gags during the moments when I’m feeling inspired…
When it comes to the strongest debate, the two who are eating the Altana, Kyo and Kagura’s mom, are on a whole different level compared to the regular folks, since their very existence is different.
Even so, I think Seikai Bouzu, who comes down around there, was a character that had been a long-time strong character and a member of the allies, and they did their best until the end.
It would be troublesome if Prince Hata’s brother were to be presented in a serious manner.
It’s good that the Four Heavenly Kings of Sonno Joi are starting to take action publicly, but…
This guy felt pretty pointless as a chapter boss.
It was quite sluggish since around the time the general died…
The person in the thread image is amazing.
I want a sister-in-law… I’ll kill my brother and take her!
I managed to take it, but I feel like everything is laid bare to my wife’s honest eyes… Let’s forget it and exchange our lives on the battlefield…
Huh, my wife died because of the Heavenly Guidance group while I couldn’t see her…
Uooh, so sad, so frustrating! Anyway, I want to lash out! I will create an organization with my rivals on the battlefield!
What, the Ten-Do-Column is dead? Don’t mess with me, where am I supposed to unleash this angry fist?
Oh, since the Earth is being rebellious, let’s attack. The rival is just sitting still, but I don’t care~~
>>13
The chapter bosses up until now have been somewhat charming, but they are simply scum.
In the final episode, while criticizing other endings, it’s like a heat period.
I wondered what kind of ending it would be, but it was all a mess, which I think is quite something.
It’s almost over, but it was impossible after all. Doing it a few times leaves a bad impression.
I don’t even know which medium it ultimately ended up on.
Despite having criticized other manga extensively, it’s ironic that I’ve ended up being so utterly aimless myself.
>>20
Because I’m doing this, it feels like I’m also blocking my own escape route with self-deprecating jokes, doesn’t it?
>>20
If you end up doing what those kinds of comedic manga suggested in the past, it becomes twice as uncool.
It seems like it’s turned into something that people who don’t know ordinary Bakumatsu stories would do.
While it’s hard to say that long serious stories are consistently boring since arcs like the Four Heavenly Kings and Yoshiwara are popular,
That aside, the thread image is ridiculously boring.
It’s really a mystery that it continued for quite a while even after defeating Shoyo.
The King of Covers caused quite a stir for a considerable period, leaving a strong impression.
The elves are getting the short end of the stick.
Well, I think it turned out to be somewhat decent and could be taken seriously, after all.
Of all things, the last serious full-length work turned out to be the hardest to understand…
Kita, who transitioned from such performances to serious storytelling, ended up coming full circle.
I didn’t narrow down the lineup for the final match.
Even though we want to push through with excitement and momentum,
It really felt like I had to restart repeatedly due to being interrupted in a strange way.
If you look at it in a certain way, it’s not that bad, or rather, it gives the impression of repeating the same developments multiple times.
>>31
Emergency!
The helper has come and is active wowwwww!!
Crisis!
Memories of repeating.
If serious long novels aren’t popular, then there’s no way that things like the Four Heavenly Kings or the Night King wouldn’t be popular.
I had a catastrophic inability to fold furoshiki, or rather, it seems I took on something too wide too seriously.
>>33
It’s often said, but I’m seriously collecting from ranks as low as K, not just F… so of course it’s going to take a long time.
It was an era when BLEACH, Food Wars, and Gintama were consecutively ending their runs in an unflattering manner.
The gorilla’s seriousness worked against it.
I liked the serious long story, but I think it would have been better to cut some characters who were active just to wrap up the final chapter.
It’s been over 20 volumes since the assassination arc of the shogun…
>>38
Is it longer than Bleach, the final chapter?
Well, the connections with people were the key.
I understand that you want to at least pick up the minimum…
But what’s impossible is impossible.
They started folding from a D-rank character!!
I have drifted a little apart since the general left.
First of all, there aren’t that many people who have properly read all the way to the final episode…
The undesirability of Sket Dance’s serious moments is not even on the same level as Gintama’s…
>>45
Wait, the switch-off episode is one of the best masterpieces, right?
Well, I got a little crazy after getting a taste of that…
The long story continued, but the final chapter itself is set two years after leaving Edo and returning.
I thought it was okay to stop reading for a while since there have been multiple times where guest characters came in during a bit of a pinch, but then the serialization disappeared somewhere.
It seems like there are hardly any female otaku left who were reading towards the end.
Not just in the final stages, but the way the serious developments unfolded from the middle became one-patterned.
It’s been quite a while since the general died.
I think it was a mistake to kill the general in the first place.
>>52
The serious parts in gag manga are a bit of a drawback, aren’t they?
Once you start killing off characters, you can’t go back to being a comedy, but it’s difficult to have a serious story without killing characters.
With the current lineup of serialized works, if a serious battle unfolds, Nue, who usually ranks in the bottom four, will be in a dire situation.
Two years later, I wondered what the point of re-fighting with Kyō was, but I guess it was necessary to part ways with Takasugi and convey to Shoyo that Shinpachi, Kagura, and the Odd Jobs are doing well.
There are good points here and there, though.
I want all the characters to be active as much as possible! So there’s a lot of enemies, and having to do tedious lower-tier battles ends up making the climax feel deflated.
I wonder if I should have cleared up a few things before entering the final developments.
In recent works, I thought Haikyuu did a great job of depicting existing characters in the final stages.
I faintly remember that it was just a repetition of “Uoooooo!”
I think it would have been fine if Gintama’s final episode ended abruptly.
Which medium and which story was the final episode?
If you want to make them really active, you don’t have to do it individually for each character; you can use multiple characters together instead.
Especially Prince Hata.
I understood that they wanted to depict the Meiji Restoration in that world…
“From the historical perspective, it’s just fire-sale thieves hiding behind the black ships and fools aiming for an uprising; it’s not very interesting at all, you know, Sensei…”
I think Takasugi and Kamui could have reconciled a little earlier.
There was no time to fall into a gag.
>>63
There are places where it would be problematic if everyone ends up with a gag.
I don’t think they wanted to drop those two for the sake of balance.
Looking back, it was only natural for things to turn out that way since in other long stories, everyone always has a chance to shine.
Reinforcements come in a pinch, but it doesn’t get better, and since reinforcements keep repeating, even when they arrive partway through, it felt rather cold and didn’t get exciting at all.
I like Gintama, but the final chapter is confusing and hard to understand.
>>67
That aspect also aligns with the perspective of the Tokugawa shogunate during the Meiji Restoration and within Edo.
I don’t really understand why all these forces keep joining in, but they’re not helping at all.
It seems that there was a demand because I had a friend who liked the serious parts.
It’s just that there are hardly any people talking about the ending, so it probably didn’t go well.
>>68
When it comes to Gintama, it gives off an impression similar to the Red Sakura Arc.
GIGA still has a regular subscription to the magazine, so it’s not too bad.
The audience that follows the app to read the final episode is…
Park Yasa
If it’s as they said on the radio, then the most popular one is the Four Heavenly Kings arc.
I think it would have been nice if something had developed between the gorilla and Omyo.
I think it wouldn’t be interesting for people who like serious stories if they have to repeatedly deal with a boring enemy in a monotonous development.
If it’s just stretching things out to recover what was left undone, that’s one thing, but the whole thing was so excessive and unclear why it was being prolonged.
I like the Four Heavenly Kings arc much more than a poorly done comedy episode.
Kanata no Astra is a masterpiece, and while Witch Watch has its serious scenes that I like,
Skedam was really, well, it was just like this.
When both the master and the disciple get serious, it feels like they aren’t using their heads, which is kind of discouraging.
There’s no problem if it’s a side dish, but there’s no need to drag it out.
The Yagyu edition is incredibly interesting.
It’s questionable whether that can be treated as a serious long work.
>>80
It’s short, isn’t it?
Looking at the changes in the publication order in this magazine, it seems that in the final stages, it is already floating around in the double digits.
The Yagyu arc has the issue of completely copying material…
The length is really the issue, after all.
Also, the final movie of Gintama was too good.
Personally, I like the Shogun Assassination arc, but I understand that it’s a long story that doesn’t return to the humor, and the ending is just a bad one, so I can understand why some people don’t like it.
The latter half goes beyond being interesting or boring and is simply void.
Even while reading, I felt no emotions and turned the pages with a blank face.
I think “Serious” resonated well with female readers, didn’t it?
>>88
If it’s interesting.
From the order of publication, it seems that the latter part hasn’t been well received anywhere.
>>90
It’s not just a type that’s being complained about online; the ranking is also quite bad in general…
>>94
Together with Bleach
When the ranking is that low, it really feels like it’s not well received.
>>94
As mentioned above, Bleach, Soul Eater, and Gintama were really like this, you know.
Indeed, if you mention it, my favorite episode is definitely the one about the komainu Kyojiro, which has no gags at all.
Female readers of Gintama are the type who find homo fighting couples from the comedic developments, right?
Since the Yoshiwara chapter, boring long stories have begun to increase.
The long episodes before that are interesting in their own way.
I think there are quite a few people who have never read the real finale.
Well, at the very least, I wish it had ended properly in this magazine…
If you’re going to do something serious, the poor tempo of the comedic parts in the middle is tough.
The part where the guy comes out of Kyō’s butt, and so on.
Isn’t it quite rare for a series in this magazine to have its final episode on an app?
>>98
This magazine’s special issue and app completion are probably quite unique, if not the only ones.
Up until the Luoyang chapter, there were elements that needed to be resolved with existing characters, so that was fine, but after returning to Earth, it really dragged on quite a bit.
In an early interview, the author said, “I like period dramas, but I don’t like sci-fi or space operas.”
I was reading it while wondering why they would go in that direction.
I had the impression that Sukedan was well-received for its serious aspects and character depth, but this serious part is pretty bad…
I hear that “Switch Off” is a masterpiece!
>>102
It’s a masterpiece, but it’s such a masterpiece that it even encroaches on humor…
The sadness and weight of a sorrowful past is unrelenting.
Even in a scene where you’re joking around, it still feels a bit like, “You have such a heavy past…”
I don’t know about Gintama, but I’ve heard that the serious parts of Witch received good ratings instead.
>>103
Since they themselves said that being serious in the main Witch story causes the survey responses to drop, it won’t happen.
>>123
The author has written in the comic that Sket was normally popular and received good reviews.
It’s fine if it’s as serious as the story of the stand inn…
I wonder if they won’t create the next work.
Wasn’t Solkich and others in the main magazine → separate sheet → app?
It’s properly finished over here, but…
>>108
It’s more like Jump Plus than an app.
It’s a masterpiece, the stand hot spring.
My partner’s ghost child is cute.
It might be different to compare a long novel and the conclusion of a work, but it’s a pity that the structure of the Shitennou arc was really well done.
The anime version, which was scheduled to air its final episode simultaneously with the original work,
The original work isn’t finishing at all, so there’s not enough broadcast time.
Somehow, I managed to secure a late-night slot for the transition, but even then, the original work still isn’t finished, and there isn’t enough broadcast time left.
The rest was released in the form of a distribution and theatrical version, but as a result, it turned out to be an incomplete adaptation with many cuts.
Up to the area around Luoyang, I was able to enjoy it quite seriously.
>>112
The characters were still somewhat narrowed down, like the main characters of “Yorozuya” and its long series.
I think most of the dissatisfaction in the latter half comes from the part where they return to Edo and deal with the liberation army.
They’ve done that thing where everyone comes out and says something nice while charging in several times!
After all, I didn’t have the special move for Gin-san…
>>114
A man who has learned to fire the Kamehameha in the game.
>>124
A man shouts, “There are no special moves in Granblue!”
I think I can say that a good character was born out of unnecessary seriousness… but the new general Kiki’s image also ends up dragging down others, so the way it concludes is honestly incredibly frustrating.
The heroine in the stand arc is cute, but she really was just a temporary guest appearance.
>>117
Tama – Gedomarū – Pirako – Nobume
The clothing has changed a bit, but there are too many of those similar types of semi-regular characters.
Generally, people who perceive the seriousness in Gintama as being similar to the later stages of the series and those who recognize things like the Benizakura arc or Yoshiwara struggle to understand each other.
I felt sad that the boundary between gags and seriousness became increasingly ambiguous, making me sense the author’s decline.
I like the Dragon Palace chapter.
It seems that the grudge with Takasugi, which stems from the murder of the master, was set quite early on, but it took too long for it to come to light.
I don’t remember the name, but I do remember something about a grim past.
I watched the last movie, but I really didn’t understand it. Don’t be vague like Ginpachi.
I enjoyed the final part of the story in various ways, but I can’t argue against the evaluation that it was messy.
When my brother Kagura shows up, it gets too serious and not much fun…
I kind of like the guy with the prosthetic arm.
>>130
I understand why I’d go down the wrong path because my dad is so withdrawn and rarely at home, but I think the treatment towards my sister is going too far.
There are favorite scenes that take into account the resolution of the characters’ relationships, but there are few people who can talk about it after reading to the end, and I myself skimmed through the section about the Altana Liberation Army, so I only vaguely remember it.
Well, if they wrap it up with the usual chaotic gags around the final episode, I guess I’ll end up happily going along with it anyway.
In the anime, if they play the opening with the silver sky during a chaotic scene, I’m going to cry! I thought.
I only heard that it ended before I realized it, and I still haven’t seen it…
>>132
I think you will probably like the ending credits of FINAL…
I barely remember the enemies in the final stage, let alone the actual developments in the finale.
I remember that stories about human emotions were interesting since the time I started reading them.
Even when it wasn’t a gag, Gintama’s human interest stories were interesting.
The serious battle was just really boring.
>>138
Basically, I can’t depict the tactics or techniques of battles.
I don’t really dislike the idea of pulling the thread of the Tsukki arc and hitting hard, but…
The serious parts are good, but the battles…
The image is of rivals charging at each other while shouting, only to attack another enemy behind them.
I like the style where even when defeating the final boss, the jokes continue, like in Tar-chan or Magical Circle Guruguru.
Well, from the author’s perspective, it’s understandable that they wanted to pursue the story as a story.
I wonder how far I got into Gintama… I feel like there was some kind of coup happening within the Shinsengumi.
In Gintama, where there are no special moves or new techniques, I think that scene is replaced by the appearance of reinforcements in other manga.
That’s why if you take battles seriously, they just keep dragging on.
I should have just learned the Nine-Headed Dragon Flash, Gin-san.
The finishing move from Tales was also a copy, huh?
Draw any kind of manga again.
>>146
I’m already turning into a cheese steamed bun.
Is it the endgame where I go to the enemy battleship and poop myself?
I remember that Kondo was super strong.
The self-deprecating jokes got so bad that they were irritating halfway through.
I had the impression that the more you do battle elements in gag manga, the better you get at them.
It was surprising that Gintama was so uninteresting.
Since the time of Sket, Shinohara’s works have gained popularity for their serious elements as well.
I’m just saying to stop because it really doesn’t suit me.
I think it’s difficult to create something that can make people laugh after Gintama has done something outrageous.
It’s poison, isn’t it?
Considering how interesting it was as a gag manga, it’s actually amazing, but it’s tarnishing its final moments too much.
The witch’s serious part is boring.
I heard that the Silver Soul arc repeated the crisis → helper appearance 13 times, and it was no good.
Basically, serious topics tend to get better responses in surveys, you know.
That’s why many gag comics tend to turn into serious comics.
On the contrary, if it becomes too serious and the survey drops or sales decline, it means that the seriousness is pretty badly done.
I don’t really feel much charm from Shouin-sensei, or something like that…
I can no longer remember what I wanted to do while reading diagonally, as per Mr. Shoyo.
The part about the “lonely life of the sket” was so loose that I was left wondering what I was being made to read.
Perhaps it was a consequence of bashing other manga, but there was a sense of being trapped by one’s own actions.
I’m glad I did FF.
It feels like it’s been impossibly long since entering the final chapter.
Did it conclude at the place of the demotion?
>>164
It didn’t get resolved at the transfer destination either.