Is that okay?

No matter how I think about it, I can only assume that the second Raphael that appeared in the final chapter is a product of noise, and they couldn’t come up with a character.

>>1

Other civilizations are also reading the Almagest and switching to the geocentric theory…

>>1

But even that Aristotle denied it…

Rafau is a crazy guy!

>>4

It’s complicated.

In the anime, it’s hard to understand that much, but if you’ve read the original work, you might get it.

The story goes that Badeni jumped over Copernicus and made it straight to Kepler.

Copernicus did not reach the concept of elliptical orbits either.

I don’t really understand why it was made to look similar even though it’s completely a different person.

>>13

If that’s the case, I think it’s an impression that prioritizes theme too much and ends up being vague.

Many people are confused because things aren’t quite clicking.

You’re young considering it’s been over 35 years.

The book’s royalties will come to Pototsuki-san, so there were events from the first to the third volume, and aside from that, there is also the second Lafau.

That’s fine, right?

There is no explanation in the main story for why the second Rafa-kun appeared, so each person can interpret it as they like.

Is there also a modern version?

I thought Novak, who appeared from the beginning to near the end, was like the main character, but…

Finally, it’s you, Pototsuki!

The anime ended abruptly as if it was canceled, but does the original work also end there?

Rafau is omnipresent…!

The final chapter, think for yourself and come up with your own interpretation.

>>25

It’s like a movie.

In the case of movies, it is customary to refer to the comments of the creators.

>>34

The original creator is enjoying thinking for themselves about what becomes of the final chapter! Stance.

It probably means a name given to a role that is “not a character in history.”

>>27

Me when I watched the monster’s MV.

I understand that it’s a discussion about how they would be in trouble if they became an adult like that, but since it’s part of the main story and not just a fantasy scene, it leaves me feeling a bit unsettled.

>>28

Blind faith driven by intellect is no different from belief.

Intelligence also transforms into violence.

I feel bad for the thread creator if I don’t specify concrete examples since I’m stacking on top of it…

At the beginning, there is a contrast with Novak saying “So it was you, the child, who returned after the torture.”

I like how the surviving inquisitor pushes Albert from behind.

>>30

Thinking about how they lived with regret all this time is too painful.

>>32

It can be thought of as a story where seeing twisted works too much has become a habit of having a skewed perspective.

Unlike the first Raphael, the second Raphael doesn’t even connect to the inspirations of later generations, so I feel it has a lower status than the first one.

I heard that the story of Kingdom P and the last Poland is from a different world, and I thought “Oh, really.”

In the final part of the Poland chapter, regarding the letter that arrived in Pototsuki.

“I was even more confused, thinking ‘It’s the same world!'”

>>35

You can think of it as having crossed over to a different world line.

You can think that hypothetical scenarios have actually become true, no matter how they turned out.

>>35

I thought exactly the same thing.

I initially thought that the story of Rafau-Duraka, with the presence of Professor Rafau, was something parallel.

Reading the reply about the letter to Pototsuki and the new member who was with the priest in the confessional when Yorenta escaped completely surpassed my understanding, and I was left feeling like “???”.

Is there a brighter and more visible version for the nighttime or indoors?

>>38

I think it fits the atmosphere of the work, but it’s just too hard to see!

Since I learned that “taumazein” means to be surprised,

I keep thinking it might become a question mark!

I found it troublesome to adjust the brightness on the TV, so I increased the brightness on my laptop monitor and watched NHK Plus.

And then, around the time the ending theme started, it suddenly became bright and my eyes went (*_*).

>>40

Cute

The second Raphael is only mentioned in Albert’s old tales, so it hasn’t actually been observed properly.

It seems like you have meticulously crafted the story, so I believe there must definitely be an interpretation that the author has in mind for the final chapter.

It simply failed to push the story with the heliocentric theory and ended with a rather unsatisfactory conclusion.

After Alberto did that, the story will proceed based on historical facts, so it doesn’t have to be included in the narrative.

I think the forbidden Raphaelle’s double strike is too much of a balance adjustment that portrays the heliocentrists or reformists as the just side… but having the same name and face is quite a significant noise.

I always thought that having a second one wasn’t necessary since the manga.

I think naming it Rafau was just a hook for the production.

I can’t write another story, but I can show you Rafau’s “what if” within the narrative. Isn’t it psycho-like? Like, don’t you understand?

I’m proud that the readers keep thinking about it…

It feels like the author, Thaumazain, wants readers to feel the same motivation.

It’s clear from watching that this isn’t a work where dead people come back to life…

>>57

But for some reason, I had eyes floating in the sky.

>>57

Even if it’s not the real person, you would still wonder why they have the same name and appearance, right?

If it weren’t for Rafa, there would have been no confusion, and the conversation would have flowed smoothly from start to finish without any interruption.

I got confused because it was Rafau…

I thought I had died from poisoning, but since I didn’t, the execution that ended up happening was only for a part of it, so the punishment ended up being just a suspension.

So, thinking about it, is Rafa around 45 years old?

>>60

If we assume that 35 years have passed in the entire story and it’s the same world, then Chapter 3 and the final chapter take place almost simultaneously while Albert is a child, so if Raphael is the same person, he would be around 35 to just under 40, right?

Even if they say it was directed by Rafau, I get confused because I don’t understand the intention behind the direction.

>>61

What’s important is not to end it with “I don’t understand, you idiot.”

I think it’s something to ponder why they made such casting choices.

But I still think the direction is a bit too difficult to understand…

It’s improbable, but if in future research the geocentric theory were proven to be true.

The protagonists who have been moving for the heliocentric theory will end up being those who have killed numerous people for their own beliefs.

In the end, it seems like there isn’t much of a difference between what we’ve done and what Mr. Novak has done, right?

>>62

Well, it’s not really a story about which is good and which is evil.

If the original team doesn’t understand the meaning of the second Rafał, then there’s no point in me thinking about it…

Did they mention the name of the tutor?

It’s the guy from Earth, Poland, named Rafał, who looks just like and has the same name and soul as Rafał-kun from another world, right? The one from the final episode.

And both are monsters.

>>70

Why is money from another world being sent to Pototsuki’s address…?

Since Pototsuki’s address is in Poland, it must be the P Kingdom.

>>71

The shape of towns in Country P is completely different from towns in Poland.

That Rafa is too shortsighted, I don’t want to deal with him.

>>73

Even though it’s a child, isn’t the first generation Rafau quite something?!

>>75

The person was also thinking that majors can be changed later as much as you want, and if you ingratiate yourself with the powerful, mainstream theories can change…

Isn’t it just living normally?

>>77

There are plenty of reasons that can be given for being reborn.

It’s you, right?

>>82

Even if we were to concede a hundred steps that it might be true from the side, reincarnation doesn’t mean “living normally.”

>>77

In the OP, there’s a character with a shadowy face laughing in the flames…

Since he killed someone and got caught, it’s clearly a different timeline from the first Rafau-kun.

Or is the character Rafał not a person but rather a trickster or an illusion that influences the behavior of people?

I thought that if Rafal had grown up without meeting Hubert, he might have turned out like that, completely jaded about the world.

The world in the final chapter is based on historical facts.

In order to distinguish it from that, another Raphael’s existence is described.

Since there isn’t just one correct answer, feel free to think as you like.

>>84

It’s all just Albert’s delusions…

Is there a possibility that Raffo was C…?

Is Rafau something like Johnny Raiden?

Rafau will rise again and again for the heliocentric theory…

Until now, I have always been in a position of persecution and have not depicted danger, so I used it as a hook to portray the danger of dogmatically believing in one’s own thoughts in a world where one can think freely, as an antithesis.

It’s just that it doesn’t necessarily continue from the story up to that point.

The Savior will be resurrected…

>>90

No more than that.

Rafau-kun’s first suicide may seem like an unintentional noble act, but

I think it is a reminder that a person with such a mindset could become someone who kills others if they live solely driven by their curiosity.

>>94

That aside, it’s confusing to have that thrown in at the end of that development, and I have mixed feelings about it.

Mr. Novak said that the idea of heliocentrism being heretical turned the world upside down.

Even the readers and viewers who have been supporting the heliocentric theory must have felt that there were some precarious aspects to it as well.

It’s to make Mr. Rafael turn over.

That’s why in the end, Alberto’s exploration of knowledge is structured around the middle path.

The aim is for the readers to first feel confused and have questions, prompting them to think about this.

If you say it’s confusing, I can only say yeah.

>>95

I feel like making it Rafau has instead made this place harder to understand.

>>107

In the anime, since the voice is still that of Rafa-kun, it feels very out of place and easy to understand.

Well, since it’s a shocking memory from my childhood, it’s understandable to think that some kind of filter might be at play.

The theory of multiple existences of Rafael.

The theory of Raphael Christ.

>>97

The theory that he is a twin of Rafau and is adopted could be true…

It’s a knowledge theme, yet the back cover of the book is a direct copy of a cartoon featuring a sand dollar.

Don’t seek deep reasoning.

>>98

Since I’m writing it with citations, it’s just that kind of presentation, isn’t it?

If Novak had not witnessed the burning at the stake and was rescued by people from a heretical liberation front while in a state of suspended animation before the execution, then the person who underwent the inquisition is walking around too boldly…

>>99

That bishop’s family is no longer alive, die.

Was this anime always about a meta story since around episode three?

If it’s the Rafau that the thread image thinks of, it seems possible.

>>101

Rafau-kun is the kind of person who wouldn’t hesitate to kill himself for his own beliefs.

It is not strange to kill someone for the desire for intelligence.

I feel a bit envious of those who followed the manga serialization in real-time, as I imagine their heads were filled with “huh?” during the final episode.

>>104

Before that, I was too let down by the third part that I could only think, “Oh, it finally ended?”

>>104

I think anyone who sees this thread, even those who first experienced it through the anime, can properly relive the experience.

I feel that my motivation is fading as the thread progresses.

Collective intelligence is crap.

>>105

People who believe in the heliocentric theory are hopeless.

>>109

The flat Earth is trending in this era! It’s popular in America!

Rafau is probably more of a character as a symbol rather than something that pertains to Rafau as an individual.

Did it have any meaning to do things like C or P?

>>116

Since we’re dealing with a topic that is already easily misunderstood, if we don’t at least obscure it on the surface, it will be troublesome as there will be people who nitpick.

>>124

During the serialization, there were quite a few comments like “This is why Christianity is ~” all the way until the end.

If that’s the reason, I think it’s better to create a completely fictional religion rather than being ambiguous about it.

>>136

Rather, it may have made sense to intentionally create a religion that deviates slightly from reality.

Well, the story isn’t really aimed at criticizing religion anyway.

>>116

Because of that, when Poland is mentioned in the final chapter, it makes you think about the story up until now, right?

Shame

About the movement of the pubic mound

It’s one thing if it just didn’t match my preferences, but looking at past responses here and opinions from elsewhere, there are people seriously saying it’s going to be canceled or that they ran out of ideas halfway through and came up with an ending on the spot, and that’s shocking.

If there were someone in modern times who was devoted to the flat Earth, it would be nothing short of terrifying.

>>120

I will prove from the sky that the ground is flat! 🚀

I’m curious to see how people would react if I showed them that there are still people who believe in the geocentric theory even in this day and age.

>>121

This anime only claims to be correct in theory, so I don’t think it resonates deeply…

It’s comical to see someone pretending to be an intellectual while being rotten.

>>123

Because they are the ones who believe in the heliocentric theory.

>>123

Of course there are both negative and positive opinions about things.

What you’re doing is just the same as saying “people who don’t agree have no knowledge” and dissing them, right?

>>129

Though criticizing and affirming are different issues, what happened?

>>129

Aren’t they C Christians who are doing an inquisition?

It can be said that there are some aspects that seem like it’s just spread out without knowing how to fold it back.

Only the author knows that.

I think I included another layer of fable within the fable surrounding the heliocentric theory.

Well, that was a great scene.

My name is… Copernicus…! That’s the scene.

First of all, risking your life over the movement of celestial bodies is fantasy…

>>132

It’s true that there were people who dedicated their vision and their lives, but I want to believe that not many have faced the kind of situation where they either die right now or abandon their theories.

>>135

So, the last protagonist chose to pursue a steady path instead of opting for an extreme method.

I think it’s great to have lived a life filled with constant curiosity.

In the opening of the final episode, I got overly excited by myself thinking, “Is this person Copernicus?!” and felt embarrassed.

I can understand the interpretation, but using Rafau himself is somewhat difficult to understand.

>>139

Rather, I feel that it’s more like a completely unrelated uncle murderer rather than Mr. Rafau.

At least by the time they started asking for donations for Pototsuki, they must have already fully decided how to wrap it up.

Even if the heliocentric theory is clarified, it won’t change the world, and the conclusion that it led to the proof of the heliocentric theory is simply too weak.

It’s a story that ends with personal feelings but is being forced into a grand saga and failing.

>>143

Rather than rambling on, I think it’s better to straightforwardly say that I would like things to turn out this way! That way, you’ll get more empathy.

>>143

They’re trying to force a rationale and failing.

The subject matter was such that it took a strange turn, but fundamentally, it feels like the author’s theme revolves around how everyone who can’t stop yearning is problematic.

>>144

Good works are nice, aren’t they…?

If you have to hit and mock someone, that person must be an idiot, right?

Are you saying that it’s foolish not to agree? Responding like that is foolish, right?

In the first place, the issue is being criticized for hitting and mocking.

Well, there is criticism of religion.

>>148

It was not a conflict of paternalistic science versus religion.

That’s what the image has embodied.

If you can’t read that, there’s nothing that can be done.

>>148

That’s more of an issue caused by the power of the times rather than a critique of religion.

Basically, the root of the way the main characters think is based on religious values.

>>164

That’s impossible!

>>167

No, where?

>>172

Give me some elements that would make someone not be seen as critical of religion.

>>180

If you look up a little, you can see them sporadically rising…

>>167

Even if there is a conflict, you’re not criticizing, right?

Generally, there is faith underlying most characters.

In my interpretation, isn’t it that the visual of the heliocentrism enthusiast in the memories of multiple people has been unified with Rafau-kun?

Each one exists only in individual memories and is a different person.

Actually, it was like “Hey, Copernicus, this heliocentric theory of yours is amazing! Hurry up and publish it!” wasn’t it?

>>151

If you’re going to do it, make sure to do it after I die…

Isn’t it fine because it’s a story that won’t be recorded in history, rather than a grand saga?

I personally think there was an intention to create a bit of a parallel feel by using the alphabet and pursuing a story about the heliocentric theory, which is not documented in history.

If you start out by mentioning Christianity or Poland and base everything on reality, it’s clear that publishing a book and changing people’s consciousness won’t lead to a happy ending.

It’s bad when something like the image in the thread comes to kill the interesting heliocentric theory.

Rather, I think the meaning of the accumulation of knowledge has been portrayed thoroughly…

I think it expresses a desire to depict someone who, even when told that it’s fundamentally wrong rather than just a criticism of religion, still does it anyway.

If Rafa had secretly put poison in Novak’s wine, would history have changed significantly?

>>163

A heretic and a murderer will certainly not be left alone…

>>171

Well, while it’s still true that Raphael will die, I wonder if the deaths of those who ended up dying due to Novak’s influence later could have been avoided, and if the movement to prove the heliocentric theory would have changed.

I think the intention was just to show both the type of person who does something even when told it’s not okay, and the type who escalates by saying it’s not okay.

A crazy person who believes in the orthodox C teachings vs a crazy person who believes in the heliocentric theory.

Did the memory of those who criticize religion and say that the world created by God should definitely be beautiful just disappear somewhere?

>>168

Well, it’s clear that there is a criticism of religion since it’s a development that can be so deeply torn apart due to the influence of religion, whether it’s a runaway individual or not…

Certainly, when it comes to whether Rafau-kun has danger or not, it’s really extreme…

Among the protagonists, isn’t Durka the only one who doesn’t believe in God?

It was interesting that there were various ways of believing in God among the Heretical Liberation Front.

It was sad that there were even those who betrayed us.

Depending on the situation, the protagonists who commit forbidden acts, claiming their way of thinking is right, and end up involving many people and killing others should be the ones criticized.

Both sides can be said to have issues regarding which is correct or criticisms.

There was no repression, so why do some people think that? It all starts from there.

A defense disguised as criticism of religion…?

It doesn’t look like a criticism of religion at all, but if you only look at the surface, it might appear to be an anti-Christian work!

Well, I do feel that the author kind of took an easy way out in some parts.

The protagonist’s side has always been rooted in the beauty of the world created by God, while true atheists like Duraka and those with their own unique religious views like Schmidt were seriously treated as heretics…

In other words, even Mr. Schmidt thinks that Duraka is heretical.