The text describes a custom known as “ottai yome jō” in rural areas outside the castle town of Satsuma, where there are many unique records.
Pattern 1: “The friends in the community help a couple in love elope!” There are many cases where a father opposed to the marriage will relent if he truly cares for his daughter. “When I arrived first, I heard, ‘Oh, you!’ and we all laughed for a night.” In fact, the woman often harbors affection as well.
Pattern 2: “Since the cousin makes a good match, let’s make them marry.” Often decided by community leaders on a whim. “I was happy to be ‘ottai’d’ by the charming boy!” There are stories that it must have been quite lively back then, but… there are also multiple accounts of the worst stories: “It developed into a group rape incident.” The woman fainted in fear. “Both the woman and her family completely refused.”
It’s not fair to say it’s a terrible custom, but… something like that.
It seems that practices like night crawling were quite common in other regions as well.
>>2
Because it’s breaking and entering into a woman’s home, if the woman rejects and screams, it’s a no-go.
>>4
What if I couldn’t hear that loud voice…?
It is a custom that disregards women’s human rights, and without a doubt, there are more negative aspects than positive.
There is indeed some support from the female side, which might be a success story from the elopement route mentioned earlier.
The image is saying that there was also an aspect of breaking through the human rights violation of not allowing couples who love each other to get married.
“Are you so foolish to say ‘human rights violations against women’ that you can’t even read a single page of manga?”
>>7
What are you expecting from someone at the bottom level among the nameless?
In reality, there were probably those who misunderstood and spread the earlier two examples like that…
Pattern 2 also seems to have some tragedies occurring, doesn’t it?
In the Middle Ages, arranged marriages were the norm, and it’s much more tragic to not have someone willing to marry you.
If a woman truly has feelings of affection, then there’s no problem.
In the first place, the convenient system for establishing romantic marriages, which is already difficult, was being misused because it was too convenient.
Is that how it is?
I have never seen a single example of someone who talks about women’s rights also considering men’s rights.
>>16
Don’t change the subject.
There are some poor kids who can’t read manga or letters properly.
Silent
It’s quite interesting that there are also abduction marriages in various parts of the world.
>>24
In the past, marriage was fundamentally a matter between families, and the wishes of the individuals involved were irrelevant, but even so, it is clear that people have always had their feelings about such matters.
>>24
If anything, it’s even in Greek mythology.
>>62
Isn’t kidnapping my niece way too much…?
>>124
There’s no way that kid would do that!
You seduced that child, didn’t you!
Are you a barbarian?
>>25
Rather, this is a story that it wasn’t so.
Marriage has generally been a connection between families in most countries.
I wonder if what breaks that exists all over the world.
In the first place, it was an era when the individual as a comparison to the group was not as emphasized as it is now, so discussing good and evil in modern ethics is simply out of touch.
Regardless of the pros and cons of abduction marriages, it seems that there have always been cases where people imitate only the surface of successful examples in a messy way.
There is a significance to that, and it has culturally remained as well.
That being said, there have been cases of abduction marriages conducted without women’s consent even before modern times, so it may not be possible to evaluate it.
>>31
There are always those who try to abuse the rules… I understand that.
The daughter didn’t seem completely uninterested either.
Will it not develop into a bloody conflict?
>>32
The story this time is about how Imuta came up with an idea because it couldn’t be helped.
Isn’t “Hyu-Hyu” old-fashioned?
>>35
The target of the morning is middle-aged men.
It may be frustrating, but it can’t be helped.
Looking at examples of gang rape, there were probably some who abused it with a feeling of having some sort of advantage.
Night crawling had a similar function and was commonly established nationwide, so it was a general occurrence not limited to Satsuma during certain periods.
Those guys are annoying.
I’m going to kidnap someone a little and then get them married.
I’ve seen a manga about this getting raided by the police posted here.
>>39
The only thing that happened is that he was arrested for deciding to treat the abduction and rape as a set…
>>43
It seems that there wasn’t particularly any culture left over there.
People at that time didn’t have human rights.
It’s before the declaration.
Because the setting of Romeo and Juliet is in the 14th century.
From that area, there were couples who couldn’t be together due to family circumstances and attempted to elope.
Pattern 1 is the best… The parents who opposed it might be complicated, though.
If neither of us thinks poorly of each other, then there shouldn’t be any problem.
Well, there are always one-sided people in situations like this…
Hehe… Even if they say they dislike it, my family also dislikes it…
>>45
I can’t live!
>>48
Because masculinity is regarded as extremely important, those who force themselves to conform may end up like this, so there might have been some suppressive aspect to it.
When those around you are shameless, it can become like the example below.
It has fallen out of favor because there were problems with the current common sense.
Conversely, it was not a problem according to the common sense of the time.
It is nonsensical to criticize the common sense of the past with today’s common sense.
That’s right! All males should be exterminated!
When I asked the participants who helped if there was a sharing system, I was taken aback.
Group rape has thrown away even the pretense, what the hell is it becoming!
Well, what we’re doing is kidnapping, but at least read the room beforehand.
It’s like a fool just receives the action and thinks it’s okay to do something like this.
>>53
Is that example that manga?
If it is said that it’s wrong due to incidents of loophole-type rape using the system, then it means that today’s society is also wrong.
It’s funny how a guy who usually thinks customs are silly uses them as an excuse only at times like this.
In the end, it’s just a trick for situations where you can’t date someone directly because you need to confirm whether there’s any potential there.
>>57
This is a story from an era when it was impossible to date straightforwardly.
But to be honest, night crawling and kidnap marriages were things that occurred while being mindful of the atmosphere.
Don’t you think there’s no basis for saying that definitively?
For them, it feels like just making the matchmaking a bit more enjoyable.
Are there really that many cases in rural areas where people can’t get married straightforwardly?
There’s no need for a background or anything like that.
>>63
It’s definitely there…
>>65
Is the boyfriend candidate disliked by my father?
>>67
1. A pattern where an unmarried man or his family is disliked by the village.
2. Patterns where the unmarried man’s character or that of his family is problematic.
3. A pattern where unmarried men or their families have poor financial situations and there is little hope for improvement in the future.
4. A pattern where no engagement gifts or similar offerings can be prepared.
Is it really that common for it to happen like that instead of 2?
Of course, they would oppose it.
In rural areas, it’s mostly mutual, isn’t it?
>>73
It seems that in farming families, the betrothal gifts turn into money, but I don’t really understand how much it is to begin with.
>>83
There are poor farmers who only do agriculture and have good cash flow because they are good at land leasing or similar activities.
In the past, the latter was considered greater, and it was all very messy.
>>83
Their personalities are fine, but there seems to be some past issue.
In rural areas, they nonchalantly carry the grudges from their grandparents’ and great-grandparents’ generations.
>>73
“It’s simply that my parents dislike that person! They want to give their daughter to the one I like!”
>>65
I might say something without really knowing, but I can somewhat imagine that just being a farming village makes land rights incredibly important.
>>63
There is a disparity based on the size of the farmland one has.
Because acts like dating with a woman are not allowed.
The only thing left is to abduct and rape like a man.
Yeah…
>>66
Huh?
If we were to just get married as we are, well, considering the times and society…
Group R***?
They must come from a well-established family.
Even in a cheap place that feels like a half-rural, traditional village, the issue of housing has been deeply rooted for a long time.
>>69
I can understand if it’s about the landlord and tenant, but is there really that much?
>>72
From the outside, it looks like a micro acorn height comparison, but it’s enough to interfere with marriage.
There are many cases of running away, which parents might see as being deceived and abandoning home, or as fleeing without fulfilling responsibilities.
I’ve heard that there was a time when love marriages were rare.
There might be cases where it is unthinkable to be with anyone other than the partner chosen by the parents.
Because it’s a comparison of acorns.
“Focusing on insignificant differences like garbage.”
How about over there?
>>81
It’s a seriously bitter comment from someone who hates women!
A system where no one will help you if you’re truly disliked.
>>84
So it leads to the occurrence of solo rapes.
It’s a really hateful image, but just the fact that it’s Satsuma makes me think that the initial good feeling story is rather a rare case…
Even though it’s overseas, it’s good to read modern cases too.
Here, the psychology of the woman who initially resisted but eventually accepted marriage is discussed.
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXNASFK0901Q_Z00C14A7000000/
Perhaps several of the earliest anecdotes are also retroactive interpretations due to this psychology (like the one about being happy to be pushed aside!).
They said that the nameless person was just a convenient excuse for eloping and that it was agreed upon.
It’s good to listen to half of what a nameless person says.
If I think of it as a forced matchmaking, I suppose that makes sense.
However, sometimes group rape.
The system exists, but there are some that throw errors during operation, that’s all there is to it.
>>92
Since it’s not a system created by any official entity, there probably won’t be any debugging either…
Isn’t the proper way to leave without doing anything if turned down or pretended to be asleep during a night visit?
“Night crawling was done while reading the atmosphere!”
In short, it’s something written by Keisuke Akamatsu.
This guy has been acting a bit suspicious, like exaggerating his involvement.
There was a time when the practice of wife-taking was also referred to as “yobai.”
>>94
In cases where one could not resist due to the pretext of a night visit, there were certainly instances of actions akin to rape.
>>94
Because there was no one else who researched it…
The night crawling information found online seems to not distinguish between rural areas and merchant houses.
Well, it’s Kyushu, after all.
>>70
According to that reasoning, strong nations should be filled with countries that have male superiority and female inferiority.
>>97
It’s not the case anywhere originally.
When you have some leeway, you start doing things like that which aren’t good for you.
>>97
It is a fact that it has been so until modern times.
>>101
If anything, there are countries that still disregard human rights and are, in a way, stronger.
Even the Heian aristocrats did it.
It’s normal for the basic story to be understood.
In other words, in rural areas… or rather, during the Edo period, there was no freedom of residence and no change in bloodlines.
If you forcibly violate someone and then say, “Yes, they’re our bride now!” you will definitely face social ostracism.
For now, let’s get in touch with the important people first.
Then everyone except the person involved is satisfied.
>>104
In an eroge, even during the bride-snatching event, you would discuss it with the heroine’s relatives first.
But women also like to crash weddings and kidnap people, right?
In the past, neighborhood relations were intense.
“Village excommunication is quite a serious thing.”
Even the university tennis club originated from tennis.
It can also become a scene of gang rape.
Isn’t it a bit of a modern perspective to say that if you force someone to marry, it’ll lead to being ostracized from the village?
>>112
It seems that Nameless-chan is misunderstanding ancient people as beasts or something like that.
It’s being talked about because it’s Satsuma, but…
To be blunt, it seems like anywhere in the mountains from the past would have it.
The concept of human rights itself is an original setting that has emerged in modern times.
It’s only natural to say that if human rights were ignored in the past, it doesn’t exist now!
Even if the two people love each other, they can’t be in a relationship due to differences in wealth! If this is broken, you’ll be ostracized from the village!
But if two people like each other and have a secret night visit, they won’t be exiled from the village!
Isn’t it going to be like that?
I’ve been seeing a lot of idiots trying to attack Kyushu for the past few days.
>>116
Honestly, I think it was just a crappy custom, right?
Including nocturnal visits from other areas, this applies to all of Japan.
>>117
Including other night’s visits, it means all over Japan.
If we start questioning the validity of barbaric customs from 200 years ago, there will be no end to it.
It’s possible that even something like rape isn’t a big deal.
>>121
Japan?
It exists all over the world.
>>121
People from the past were such trash.
So let’s make sure modern people don’t become that way!
It’s a matter that can be settled with that.
>>121
Recently, a politician from Kyushu was casually discussing a modern “night crawling” incident, and it didn’t cause any issues?
Who decides to ostracize someone in the village and how do they do it when the men of the village conspire and a leader is chosen?
Old matters are simply no longer suited to today’s society, rather than being good or bad.
>>120
Isn’t it necessary precisely because we are now in a declining birthrate society?
>>127
If that’s the case, it will happen on its own, so there’s no need to worry about it.
It’s not just a story limited to Kyushu; it’s about the whole country of Japan.
I wonder how one would investigate to understand that women could refuse.
>>131
If people at that time hadn’t documented it in some way, it wouldn’t be possible to investigate.
…That means there is a strong bias in the values of people from that time.
If you say it too loudly all over Japan, then that will make me go “hmm…?” too.
It’s not happening all over Japan, you idiots from the backwoods.
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