Even after 15 years since the battle with Buu, my final form is still only Super Saiyan 3.

– In a child-like state, teleportation is not possible and the transformation time is significantly reduced.

Super Goku

Even after four years since the battle with Buu, the final form is still stuck at Super Saiyan 3.

– Neither God, nor Blue, nor the self-serving form can be achieved solely by one’s own efforts.

DAIMA Goku (Six months after the Buu Saga)

– Within just six months, independently develop Super Saiyan 4.

– Even if it becomes childlike, it can easily teleport and there are not many restrictions on transformation time.

DAIMA Goku’s talent is just too monstrous…

In GT, Goku has already completely entered the mode of nurturing the next generation since meeting Uub…

But you poop in the wild, right?

>>2

Even with a GT, if you’re really motivated, you could at least do something like relieve yourself in the wild…

>>8

Not just GT, you nameless Lilin.

If he wanted to, even Z Goku could take a dump in the wild.

To awaken the power of the Great Ape, one needs to either grow a tail or be exposed to high-concentration Blutz Waves, so how did you do it on your own?

>>4

It’s a unique transformation that doesn’t require that.

What’s with adding random new elements without considering any alignment with existing settings?

The Super 4 of GT and the Super 4 of DAIMA are different from each other in design, so they should be viewed as separate entities.

Super Goku → Almost dead from a single shot of a ray gun.

DAIMA Goku → Even under concentrated fire from ray guns, it only ends up being “Oww!”

Super Goku is too weak…

But we can’t defeat the Third Eye Goma.

Looking at it this way, GT Goku has an incredibly slow growth until the main story begins…

You said you weren’t confident that you could transform well.

Isn’t it that Nebra was the reason you perfectly mastered Super Saiyan 4?

>>15

There is no such thing.

The fact that it is not explained means that it is not particularly a problem.

I had always been transformed.

>>21

It almost seemed like you were becoming weak.

>>25

No, Goku was easily handling Gomar on his own without any cooperation from anyone else.

It’s clearly being portrayed as a superior form, no matter how you look at it…

Am I suffering from amnesia or is it Akira Toriyama?

>>43

After you used Final Flash once, you were actually being pushed back, right?

>>21

It’s just that I increased the combat descriptions.

No matter how good the animation is, the flavor is weak.

The one who was shot by DAIMA’s ray gun and became paralyzed and unable to move was…

But DAIMA Goku loses to elementary school students, right?

Isn’t it weird to be held back by weak soldiers or tanks after defeating Tamagami?

Goku can take Frieza’s attack, which has the power to destroy stars, head-on without taking any damage, but he suffers immensely from a pebble thrown by Krillin.

Freeza Force’s ray gun and

Don’t compare a rural laser gun’s performance to that of the Great Demon World…

“Guns are so cowardly! (Glorio fires from the back) That part was interesting.”

Isn’t a general weapon that looks like a ray gun stronger in terms of variability?

No matter the world, Goku’s body is too precious to be used, so it’s better to offer it to Zamasu for purification.

The theory that Toriyama-sensei doesn’t play DB has persisted until the very end…

Isn’t it that despite being really talented, it’s not that strong because it was made roughly in a short period?

Even though they have the power to destroy entire planets, they struggle against giants and krakens, which is quite inconsistent.

I have known for a long time that Toriyama-sensei treats settings and such carelessly…

It’s unavoidable because it’s being exaggerated in places unrelated to the original author.

There seems to be a thought that Goku shouldn’t be the strongest.

Always on the challenger side, or rather.

>>38

Goku might think he isn’t the strongest, but he doesn’t seem to have deep thoughts on the matter.

>>38

That part is established just by having a strong opponent that couldn’t be defeated by a single person, like Z with Boo, GT with the bosses of each part, and Super with Jiren.

There has always been an opponent I cannot defeat, no matter how hard I try, and trying to prepare for it strangely creates noise.

Mr. Toriyama is probably thinking about the settings as well.

From now on, I will be able to become Super 4 through training.

In a fistfight with Gomar, it’s pretty much even.

Even if I get a big hole in my stomach, it quickly closes up and I power up even more.

It became super 4 in a dramatic way in GT, so that left an impression.

It’s not strange to think that it’s different from what other media are doing, and it’s also not unusual for Daima to easily become Super 4.

>>42

Super 1 and Super 2 were dramatic, but Super 3 just appeared suddenly, so it’s not strange, you know…

If anything, Ultra Vegeta No. 1 looked stronger.

I think the original creator just didn’t think about anything.

If you’re training, it’s not surprising to reach level 5.

I thought that the setting for things like Gigass wasn’t really necessary.

No matter who I fight or how many times I fight.

Belly punch!

Uboh!

Crash into the rock mountain!

Behohma!

It’s just a repetition with no catharsis, die…

>>52

It’s okay.

Come back to life in Dragon Ball.

It seemed that the adult Super 4 was just being infinitely healed by the Third Eye, appearing to have the upper hand.

>>60

DAIMA has to end up like that for that punchline.

Soon in a game.

Jiren (Evil Third Eye Equipment)

Broly (Super, with the Third Eye equipped) will turn into Vanilla with fabricated forms.

Even after becoming Super 3, I only run away from the Kraken.

Even though Ultra Vegito is stronger, did he actually lose to Goma?

I wonder if there’s a Goku who can’t take a dump in the wild.

By the way, does Cell poop?

Third Eye Goma > Tamagami > Historical Demon Lords

Even with the third eye on, Goma is being hit relatively normally.

It only feels like I can land about three consecutive hits.

Super 4 itself can be reached on your own if there is some sort of level cap release method, but that method was likely just accidental occurrence during training in DAIMA, along with stabilization through Neva’s potential release.

The difference lies in the fact that there were no accidental occurrences, leading to the forced means of reaching GT and the God transformation, which presumably eliminated the route for the level cap release in a different skill tree, which is my delusion.

Basically, since I have the strength advantage, it would have been a quick fight if Super Saiyan 4 Goku had done a headlock like during the fight with Raditz and Piccolo had hit his head.

Well, that might not be very exciting.

>>66

The Kamehameha wave missed due to the opening created and it hasn’t built up.

DAIMA Goku will definitely buy and equip two Third Eyes after that.

>>69

Ugh, that’s disgusting! I hate you!

>>69

Could it be that “third eye” doesn’t mean a single third eye, but instead means three eyes?

Just not having angels or the Omni-King makes Daima better.

>>70

Instead, there are the good Great Demon King and Islam.

>>71

As expected, it’s the GT…

Goku without a brand → Getting turned into a honeycomb by Lunch’s machine gun.

>>73

Even if it becomes a beehive, it won’t die.

Early Goku is saying it hurts from being shot with a handgun, so a machine gun would probably be effective if he were training with Master Roshi.

It seems like it’s going to be a hassle with the same names in future games.

I wonder what they’ll do about Super 4.

>>79

So lame…

(I want to be) like (the color) blue.

>>77

Isn’t (DAIMA) good enough?

>>77

It’s all right.

There are already plenty of Goku Super Saiyan 1 Z Mid, Goku Super Saiyan 1 Z Late, Goku Super Saiyan 1 GT, and Goku Super Saiyan 1 Ultra.

If I took Ten, everyone might have been scared and not approached on their own.

>>81

I must create a reason why teleportation cannot be done…

If there were instant teleportation, it would become quite troublesome for various reasons…

(Tsuyoshi)

Shall we go with the west?

It will be interesting to see whether Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta will become Ultra Vegeta No. 1.

>>86

Since Super 3 Gotenks has never been under the name of Ultra Super Saiyan, it probably doesn’t exist…

It’s the same as GT, so the lack of ability restrictions is becoming even more fatal in terms of storytelling.

>>88

Was there any restriction like being unable to teleport in GT?

Gundam Breaker

It seems like there could be a Super Saiyan 4 (DAIMA) in games, but I also wanted some new techniques.

The hole-piercing Kamehameha seems to be getting a name that sounds a bit extravagant?

I was curious why his outfit changes in the standalone powered-up form, but it’s not like Goku’s gi is made of some stretchy pants, you know?

It seems like we didn’t shoot many energy blasts after we transformed.

>>93

If you say that the reach isn’t enough when shooting energy blasts, it makes the part about bringing the Ruyi Jingu Bang unnecessary.

Isn’t a judogi the same as a belt?

It’s unfortunate, but it’s rubber pants. It must be frustrating, but it can’t be helped.

It seems that in the demon world, I can’t teleport well or can only jump short distances.

I guess I should have let them say something like that.

In the future, it would be troublesome if Goku couldn’t just suddenly visit when they want to introduce more demon realm characters, so they probably couldn’t impose any restrictions.

It has a rather strange structure where there’s no jacket, and it looks like a belt is wrapped over the jumpsuit in the original work…

The terrible names of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan are unmatched.

>>98

Super Saiyan Rose is more beautiful, right?

>>98

When looking at Volume F, there’s a note saying that it was okay to change the temporary name given by the character designer for the bird, but the ones who adopted it as is are to blame.

Since Kakarot’s DAIMA DLC is coming, I wonder if I’ll be able to play as Super Saiyan 4 too…

Rose looks exceptionally cool among the various color variations of the Super series…

No, it’s not because of my own strength; it’s because my latent abilities were unlocked by Neva.

>>105

In the final episode, they mention that they were originally accustomed to it, so that seems to be just a kind of Behemo.

If you think about it, even if I get smaller, I can still shoot energy blasts.

Do you need a stick?

>>107

There are theatrical versions that utilize both the Kamehameha and the Nyoibo, so it’s not really an issue.

I probably couldn’t use the Kiko technique well because I wasn’t able to control the Bukūjutsu properly…

The mysterious dragon is in the image illustration, and it seems to have changed significantly from what was originally planned.

The battle with the first Tamagami, using the nyoi rod, is the most visually impressive.

Surprisingly, I couldn’t create action patterns using the Ruyi Jingu Bang, so I ended up not using it early on.

I think I never use the magic staff, then I use it a little and then don’t use it again.

Hah~… It felt like I was just charging up and shooting beams randomly, not really like a Kamehameha or anything.

If what I did for Goku was to unlock his latent potential, then why didn’t I do it for Vegeta, right?

>>115

When we first met, I was saying things like “You’re such a dork…”

>>121

Were you just pretending to be silly yourself?!

The action with the Nyoi-bo was excellent when it was against Garlic’s subordinates in the first Z movie.

The most active moment was when I poked the barrier with the wish-granting stick.

GT Goku is a bit weaker than Lild who is stronger than Buu in normal form, so I think the base strength is quite different.

>>119

Dabura, who cannot defeat Tamagami, is at the same level as Cell, while Kid Goku is at Super Saiyan 2, which is above that.

And because normal adult Vegeta is stronger than child Super Saiyan 4.

>>120

Dabura is too weak.

>>119

The inflation after Super Baby 2 due to this setting is tremendous.

>>119

Considering this setting, it would create a balance where Rildo is at least equal to Kid Normal GT Goku, which is equal to Buu, which is about the same as Super Saiyan 3 Goku from the Buu saga.

Perhaps it would have been better to use the Ruyi Jingu Bang in SS4 and align more closely with Journey to the West.

The performance of the child 4 could only be seen as Nebba giving power.

It seems the staff who created this scene could only think that they didn’t know they could independently reach level 4.

Gohan and Future Gohan are both worthless…

Let’s go on an adventure!

Blue and selfishness feel quite close to self-reliance.

DAIMA’s Ultra 4 can also be imagined as a kind of Super Saiyan combined with the power of a Great Ape, I guess.

Goku, say something in detail too!

Even though it has already reached super 4 once, it’s surprising that it has done so again, so I don’t understand anything anymore.

How about we just say that Chibi 4 is in Nebaba form and Big 4 is in self-powered form?

Rubber pants are rubber pants as soon as Super 3 throws their jacket, so DAIMA’s uniform is jersey.

There’s no setup at all for the big monkey element, so it feels weird to have a tail.

Dai’s talent surpasses Goku and Gohan’s.

Gohan’s identity…

>>136

Anyway, Gohan will surpass him, right?

If DAIMA continues, that is.

In the end, the fact that the original creator established that Super 4 is the form attained through training is definitely true…

Hey Shenron… please tell me where this restriction has gone…

I want to hear the behind-the-scenes stories of the production.

No matter how you think about it, I can’t believe they are making it knowing what to do even in the final stages.