>>3

I sincerely apologize, but honestly, I think suicide is a bit questionable.

There are also parts that are thick-skinned, not in a bad way.

>>3

If you had that kind of determination, you would have committed suicide when the Meiji era started.

Abnormal sister lover

At the point when he couldn’t kill Kaoru, this guy’s revenge became insignificant.

Do you need the quotation marks?

>>11

Because there are many competing for dominance.

Despite saying such things, I wonder if they understand my sister’s feelings even a little…

Shitty quote

It’s just crazy, regardless of revenge or anything.

The subject matter is delicious.

The theme was delicious.

I thought, is it really possible not to imagine the pain and suffering of those who are killed unrelated to my own actions, even after I’ve started to take action because my loved one was murdered?

>>18

It’s quite common for characters other than the protagonist in creative works.

That type of avenger.

>>18

If relieving the pain in my own heart is my top priority and I have no other concerns, then it makes sense.

It’s uncertain whether the character will gain popularity.

>>40

If anything, there was a sense of precariousness like that even before Tomoe died.

In the novel, there was a depiction of a creepy inner conflict where someone couldn’t bring themselves to call the man who married their sister “brother,” despite being stopped while swinging a knife at their fiancé’s house and temporarily calming down.

There are various things, but the worst is the one who talks a lot and seems to be relaxed.

Moderate and somewhat damaging revenge is probably Kaoru NTR.

As a revenger character that the readers can empathize with, the live-action version did it.

Since there is a successful precedent for the reconfiguration of “Yūmono” in the latest Reiwa version, let’s consider a modification if it can be adapted into an anime up to the thread image.

It’s an era like that, so there’s nothing you can do.

Since I survived, I should have just earned daily wages and lived modestly.

Even though it was a late-game rock-paper-scissors, the live-action adaptation was quite good.

>>27

The impression of the thread image will improve quite a bit just by making the past of having slaughtered a kind family disappear.

For example, if the son of the Kyoto local magistrate attacked with just a dagger, there would be nothing Kenshin could do.

The scale of damage does not match the claim.

What is bad about Kenshin is not the murders during the Bakumatsu era, but what he does afterward as a wanderer.

After doing all that, don’t try to live freely afterwards.

>>31

Well, if you’re going to say that much, I can only say that this manga just isn’t for you.

>>31

However, you see… Saigo Takamori also hid things that way…

There are countless people who can’t think about others, not just in creative work.

Fate is not a revenge character that has to somehow deal with conflicts.

I fell into the character of a pest that needs to be dealt with quickly.

There’s no denying that the concept of the human punishment arc has collapsed, partly due to the ineptitude of the people in the playgroup…

The fact that the supporting characters are also seriously coming for revenge is a big plus.

This guy is here to completely deny everything about you in every sense.

It makes you realize that everyone probably thought that setting was unnecessary… in the live-action version of “En.”

Considering it as a revenge for the original’s “Jinchuhen,” the live-action version is quite well done.

The live-action version was truly a real victim, so the Shanghai family massacre is really bad, really bad.

It seems that it was doomed from the beginning because it was based on unwarranted resentment.

>>45

I don’t think it’s the same as misplaced resentment, though…

>>45

My sister, who acts as a mother, is really annoying, but is her resentment because her childhood friend’s husband, whom she admired, was killed?

>>49

If you don’t make it in time, Kenshin will have no choice but to die, so…

Then, why such a subject?

I think the resentment itself is justified; it’s true that I’ve struggled because of Kenshin and lost my family.

>>50

I was just a scoundrel who killed the person who helped me along with their family!

>>56

Even if you try to make the connection somehow sympathetic, it’s still too much of a forced effort for a villain…

>>56

This makes me appear more like a villain than a avenger, doesn’t it?

If you stacked up depictions of how bad that guy was, even before my sister was killed, it would be something else, wouldn’t it?

In the early 1 to 2 episodes, there are small episodes where villains appear, get defeated by Kenshin, and are met with applause and cheers…

The old anime had no choice but to reach the Seisou-hen as a result of facing Kenshin’s sins head-on.

It’s unpopular, but that’s more sincere.

I thought it was a strategy character with a frail setting who became sick from living a harsh life because they were sitting in a chair for so long.

I was a muscle-headed person.

The word “sin” seems a bit off, though.

Then the Satsuma-Chōshū should all commit seppuku, right?

If you believe that the world will become better and you start a revolution, you have no choice but to live and dedicate yourself to the world you have created.

>>57

Live-action version of Enishi: “Yeah, the country you built is to blame, I’m going to destroy it.”

Mr. Raijuta is also like that, but swordsmanship is a form of murder technique and carries the guilt of killing people.

I think it’s a bad habit to turn the enemy into something subtle when trying to delve into such themes.

>>58

In terms of good and evil, there’s no room for excuses for Kenshin, so if we don’t bring others down, the conversation can’t continue…

In the initial setting, continuing to defeat comrades while getting worn out, finally facing Kenshin in a tattered state.

It should have been better like that.

I don’t know if it was made in Shonen Jump.

>>59

That’s why I understand that it would be avoided as a shonen manga, since if an unscathed Kenshin fought, it wouldn’t end neatly no matter what.

I think the live-action version of Enishi elevated the character to a point where, during the last scene when they read the letter and shed tears, it made my heart swell with emotion as well.

It was a difficult theme to do in a boys’ manga.

It’s clear from the live-action adaptation that it was not good to make a character with a temper that harms their benefactor.

The answer is out.

Because it’s a theme that can’t be done in a shounen manga…

Do it in Young Jump.

It’s also nice that in the live-action, Kenshin says he couldn’t apologize.

It’s not just the connection; even Reijuta-sensei couldn’t capture it well, and there were failures here and there, which makes it difficult for Kenshin to be a protagonist in a shonen magazine.

If you were to continue helping people as a wandering traveler throughout the country, that would completely serve as atonement.

I was told by my wife and friends that it’s okay to be happy, so I will be.

I don’t think the ones who were killed are at all satisfied in the afterlife.

What is it?

Are you saying that the murder in Shanghai and the four bald men were unnecessary?

>>75

The 4 bald heads were necessary to write about their comrades’ battles in the end.

Because the person who usually lives in the neighborhood found the enemy Kenshin and couldn’t hold back, they ran towards him with just a kitchen knife, and there would be no way to deal with it.

It is troubling that showing the victims of Kenshin’s past sins is necessary to tighten the grip on Rurouni Kenshin.

The bad things about this guy are

I think it’s not good that other avengers have such subtle ideologies, leading to the feeling that it’s just the author’s convenience…

>>79

The author doesn’t want to end it with a heavy aftertaste, that’s for sure.

>>83

But if they really did a serious and rigid story arc, it would have received a different evaluation, for better or worse, than it does now.

>>79

The revenge of a friend (I understand)

The master’s revenge (I understand).

Those who see the forbidden will be killed (then why have they not been in the mines all this time…)

Body Artist (??)

>>86

These guys were like, “Well, to be honest, I don’t really care about revenge!”

>>86

Whale Wave “?!””

>>99

Just a baseless grudge.

>>99

I’m sorry, I completely forgot, Kujiranami-san.

But it’s pretty ridiculous that you want me to kill you just because you almost died.

>>104

“I wanted to show Kenshin a figure of someone who can’t live properly just because they had their arm taken away, even though they don’t want to kill.”

The 4 bald guys are the only ones getting the short end of the stick with Yahiko.

Personally, I think it’s rather simplistic to have a story where the protagonist dies and is then forgiven or something, as if the avenger forgiving the protagonist somehow justifies it.

They say it won’t be done in a boys’ magazine, but maybe the theme isn’t suited for Watsuki in the first place, even if it’s done elsewhere…

>>82

Hurry…

>>90

On the contrary, I wanted them to be a bit angrier…

Elum says to somehow deal with it until the end when he will kill you…

That guy is still just a nice country boy, even if he becomes Frankenstein…

The bald guy is way too fidgety.

I think the overall playful vibe is not good.

The live-action hasn’t said that they didn’t kill the family in Shanghai, and I think the biggest difference from the original is the sense of urgency.

If you seriously delve into Kenshin’s past, it reaches a level where it dips a foot into historical discussions…

If you say you don’t need it, then I don’t need any other enemies who don’t have a significant reason for revenge aside from this one.

Since it’s a shonen manga, I have to depict the battles of other comrades as well, so it can’t be helped.

The only one to blame is Kenshin, and while he may not be a good person towards others, he doesn’t do anything wrong either, which makes it impossible for Kenshin to succeed.

>>89

If you killed Kaoru and then said you did the same thing as me, and then committed suicide, it would probably be the worst outcome.

If those who started the revolution can die, then I hope the Satsuma and Choshu die together.

>>92

The Edo Shogunate was useless and that’s why it ended up that way, and because it ended up that way, we have the present, so that line of thinking makes no sense.

The depiction of Kenshin in the Judgment chapter is so cool that Enishi pales in comparison.

I can just barely understand the logic of revenge, but… it’s about as much as a whale.

Isn’t it just a matter of position? The fact that Kenshin himself can’t just face it head-on and is going around in circles makes it unavoidable.

In short, he’s a reformed murderer, isn’t he, Kenshin?

If this story had been told in the last ten years, the character building would have been criticized much more on the internet.

>>103

No…

>>103

It’s not just Kenshin, and that’s a story from that era.

>>103

If it were just about killing at will and then rehabilitating myself, that would be one thing.

A person who killed during a mission in a civil war is being referred to as a rehabilitated murderer, huh…

Isn’t the character’s essence that even though there’s technically no legal crime of murder, they are still bothered by it?

>>124

If it’s related to the Boshin War after the Great Restoration, then that’s one thing, but before that, they were simply just the errand boys of terrorists.

Those guys from the opening act, the Four Stars, are definitely the problem.

>>106

It seems that it’s rarely said that being too obviously a meaningless game is bad, it’s just funny.

Kenshin is literally a killer, a murderer that was created.

Kenshin’s struggle is more about the sin of taking a life itself rather than a legal crime.

If you say that killing Kaoru makes no difference between you and me, it would truly tear Kenshin’s heart to shreds.

I think the placement wasn’t very good because there weren’t many surveys conducted during this period.

I guess it was partly because the manuscript was slow.

If you turn a blind eye to the fact that you’re involving unrelated people, I think Kurage-nami would be the best balance.

The sadness of being a relic left behind by the times and the resentment—it may be resentment indeed, but since they didn’t kill me in a serious match, that would be misplaced resentment, built on these two pillars.

>>114

Someone whose sympathy suddenly diminished due to the Red Beko’s bombardment.

The line of empathy that can be crossed when it comes to the Shanghai massacre is consistently surpassed by the Jinzhong group.

I would like to see a scenario where Enishi, on the verge of becoming a shut-in, defeats obstructive comrades and reaches Kenshin, ending in a happy resolution, but it probably wouldn’t be very good.

It would be a great character if it turned out that they didn’t actually kill that family.

In reality, the only one who holds a grudge against Sanosuke and Kaoru without doing anything else besides Kenshin is Kenshin himself, so I wonder what he would do if faced with a level of vengeance that makes him want to say he just wants them to move aside…

>>119

In that case, I feel like I would normally offer my life, but I think people around me, like Yahiko and Kaoru, would interfere.

If you create a story that seriously targets Kenshin’s mental state, it seems difficult because he would have no words to respond.

>>120

Overall, it felt like there was a hint of leniency in the discussion.

I feel like there was no point in making the Ironclad and assassins look like trash.

Those guys could have taken the position of understanding that while it’s not worth dying for, they can understand the act of seeking revenge that Kenshin accepted.

>>121

I won’t agree to involving others unless they are trash…

If it’s only a proper avenger, it won’t be manageable.

I laughed at how poorly the live-action version was handled, Kujiranami-san.

Oh, I don’t need that… I’m in a hurry over here…

Revenge is justified and there’s nothing wrong with it, so Kenshin has no choice but to die for real.

>>125

In the sixth year of Meiji, a prohibition order on revenge was announced!

I will call the police!!

>>130

Kenshin himself is not that kind of character…

>>130

Running away from a pursuer would be uncool!

The feelings of being aware that it is misguided resentment can be understood; after all, Sanosuke has already done that as a straightforward avenger.

Isn’t it that if the four A-bukuma are gathered, they’re on equal terms with En?

>>128

The bond has weakened quite a bit, hasn’t it…?

The historical context is about the aftermath of the Meiji Restoration, you see.

Kenshin is, after all, a winner who has a conflict over what he has to protect in the grand scheme of things.

The enemy side becomes those who are rejected by history, and there is also a tendency to favor the judges.

It’s exactly a manga that depicts that, but it’s easy for ambiguity to arise.

In the first place, since Kenshin hasn’t personally killed anyone, there’s no resentment directed solely at him.

It should be directed towards the Meiji government like a monk.

>>133

So, I understand they made that character act like it doesn’t make sense because their family or lover was killed, but it just didn’t work for me.

>>133

It looks like we have no choice but to kill Okubo Toshimichi…

There is also a bothersome avenger at the top…

Ultimately, the “revenge genre” itself is

It’s enjoyable because the victim kills or punishes a clear villain.

Once the characters who seek revenge on the protagonist, who cannot be killed or punished, appear, there’s no way to wrap it up other than to say it was all a misunderstanding.

But you know…

As a samurai, losing means that the time has come to lose one’s life, and since that has not been fulfilled, revenge is a bit…

In an era of turmoil, the ideology of Kenshin dictates that lives will not be taken (but you will be left crippled, so live on).

Well, that’s even more hell, isn’t it…?

Venom was being criticized harshly by Saito, but I could understand because he was in a pinch.

It just ended up being a means of survival rather than feeling like revenge.

Is there an interesting work where the protagonist is getting revenge?

Aren’t there only works with unsatisfying or unpleasant endings in the end?

>>139

Death Note, etc.

>>142

The light is crafted with care so that it can be recognized by the readers as an evil that should be killed.

It’s quite different from Kenshin.

>>139

The Blade Clatters of Eroge

Not killing them, but silencing them with force is the same thing.

>>143

The combination of battle-themed shonen manga and this is too bad.

Hirobumi Ito (original character from the movie) mistakenly assassinated an innocent scholar and is doing something utterly ridiculous.

>>151

So, this chapter is just failing from the theme.

>>153

But it feels like it would be incomplete to end without depicting the sins of the manslayer, Battousai…

>>164

To be blunt, did the readers really want that…?

I think what I’m looking for is desired by only a small number of people.

>>164

It is a theme that should be drawn somewhere, but it is also quite challenging.

I think there were many mid-boss battles among the various characters around, which made things a bit chaotic.

>>164

If you do it normally, Kenshin will just end up dying, so I could only think of making the enemies weak as a solution, which means it’s a failure from the theme, right?

>>153

We’ve reached the stage of revenge, but if it comes to “If you’re reflecting, then you just have to do what the other party wants,” it would be troublesome, so everyone on the side of the avenger has become a bit awkward…

>>173

Furthermore, Watsuki’s feeling of “since all ten swordsmen have become characters you can’t hate, let’s make them all scum this time!” has also been incorporated, shaking the main framework of the revenge scenario.

>>178

The enemy has zero appeal!

>>151

If I install it, it’ll cause trouble, so I’ll break the red cow too, and I’ve probably been refuted.

It would be impossible for the one-handed former samurai with an interesting appearance, Kushiwami, to live a normal life.

Looking back now, everything about Tomoe-san is terrible except for her seriously good looks.

>>154

On the contrary, I feel that Kaoru is quite a good person.

Well, if that character had a justifiable reason and thought it was an inevitable murder, they wouldn’t have been wandering around trying to help people in the first place.

>>143

I think it’s just right to depict a past stalker, like Saito or Kao’s head, endlessly chasing after the ultimate throne battle.

Whale Wave seriously seems like a character who wants to come armed and destroy the red cow without being cut, just like Kenshin. What does this guy want?

Even though Kiryuu can create a flow of battle against Kenshin without involving others, he’ll end up being a weird old man challenging a one-on-one fight equipped with a cannon on his arm.

“Since divine punishment is no longer permitted, it has become human punishment!” they say, but…

There were people who avenged their grievances in a time period after the main story of Rurouni Kenshin, right?

Well, it’s not a formal revenge, but…

>>161

Isn’t revenge included in the act of punishing evildoers?

The belief that shonen manga must have a happy ending clashes too badly with the theme of the work.

At that time, I didn’t really understand the character in the thread image very well.

Isn’t it amazing how the invincible old man can chip away at the heavily injured Kenshin during the Bakumatsu with hit-and-run tactics?

I wanted him to end as a man broken by vengeance.

Instead of strangely helping Kaoru at the end.

In a fighting game, it would be nice if just one character could perform a double jump.

When you combine a moist theme that feels like human sin with the flashy battles of a boy’s manga, it’s quite a mystery.

Isn’t Kujira-nami just a character that symbolizes resentment toward the era itself, as a form of revenge against Kenshin?

>>172

In that case, wouldn’t it be better to target government officials rather than Akabeko?

>>177

It means that since I’m no longer a samurai, it seems I can kill even women and children.

I came to take revenge from a place that has nothing to do with the sins of the man-slayer Battousai.

>>174

People who talk about family rules or art are out of the question.

The enemy of a friend and the enemy of a teacher are just mere slogans, and the true feelings are different…

That’s why I mix in a mysterious character like a foreign insignia to add a touch to the faction of vengeance.

Once the mask was removed, they immediately became small-minded…

It’s understandable that Whale Wave wants to take revenge, but come at me head-on…

That’s what makes you uncool as a samurai…

>>181

Can Kenshin win against an opponent who has been thoroughly broken and come back seeking revenge?

It was difficult, and I understand being called a failure, but it pains me to think that it was a theme without meaning.

>>182

It’s not that it has no meaning, but it’s a theme that shouldn’t be pursued without a clear resolution.

It’s not that they are stronger than the final boss from the previous chapter purely based on skill.

The setting where the antagonist is specialized to be tougher than the protagonist, rather than just focusing on the results, is nice, isn’t it?

>>183

Kenshin has a debuff while the edge has a buff.

From there, if Kenshin finds the answer and the debuff doesn’t apply anymore, Enishi will lose, creating a balance.

Fundamentally, I think it was a failure from the point where it couldn’t end with Tomoe successfully killing Kenshin and getting countered instead.

Ms. Tomoe seriously fails at everything she does, but

The face is overwhelmingly good, to the extent that it covers it relatively well.

It’s clear that killing Kaori is the most effective, but the fact that I couldn’t go through with it is both a weakness and a source of reliance for this person.

The murder of the family that helped me is a fatal and excessive addition.

>>189

I feel like I would have killed my fiancée even without Kenshin because of that.

Even if they say that Battousai’s crimes are a thing of the past during a time of turmoil, it doesn’t really resonate with me.

Unless it’s someone as wicked as Shishio.