>>1

How about the land?

I am grateful that the count himself is explaining it to me…

Nobility has judicial authority in their territories, right?

In modern Japan, it has powers equivalent to that of a prefectural governor or a mayor.

What about the salary?

Well, it’s slightly different in real life depending on the era and region.

Can I receive land?

>>10

I know the sequence, but since it’s just fantasy knowledge, I don’t know the specific differences at all.

The problem of the baron in Narou being underestimated too much.

>>14

Even though they are powerful nobles, they should be consumed with political struggles in the palace, yet they can’t even participate, so they are nothing but country bumpkins after all.

>>84

I think it was already well-known at the level of being talked about over ten years ago on Narou.

>>87

I only know one author who seriously made a mistake.

Even a baron can have more power than a poor earl if he is given rich land.

Even a count can be insignificant in a rural area.

A baron for only one generation is an honorary position.

We don’t have to memorize the tax collection system, right?

Yay!

You might be able to get land, but I don’t think you’ll get it in areas where there are settlements.

>>34

The normalization of inheritance has caused each territory to become militarized…

>>34

Is it something temporary like a government residence?

I suppose the people who are capable of developing the industries of their territory are the important ones.

Council…?

There is no land, so no profit can be expected, and since authority is not inherited, it cannot be used for rising to power, yet there are numerous responsibilities and obligations.

Indeed, when you mention it, it has become a symbol of the baron = weakling.

>>31

Baron Ashura is bad.

In reality, the nobles are gathering in the royal capital.

I had almost completely abandoned the governance of the territory.

In creative work, there is a sense of punishment because it is treated bureaucratically in terms of responsibilities.

I don’t want to be a baron even though I’m a woman.

I don’t want to be a viscount even though I’m an adult.

>>33

I don’t like bacon even though it’s a duke.

If the return is small but the obligations are the same, then of course.

I can barely understand it if it’s a region that has had about 30 years of peaceful times.

I’m really getting into it.

It should be a punishment game that originally separates you from your domain, like Sankin-kōtai.

It seems that being separated from Edo became a punishment game because Edo was more developed and convenient.

>>38

Instead of struggling in the rice field

It’s easier to get various things through transactions in the city.

>>38

Living in the Edo residence costs an absurd amount of money, so it depends on the domain.

If there is no land, you won’t be able to mobilize troops, right?

It’s unavoidable because the Chinese titles were forcibly matched to European titles in various ways.

>>40

The military ranks aren’t consistent with any laws either.

Duke – essentially a relative of the royal family, may hold rights to the throne.

Marquis – a busy noble like a minister; you could say this is the highest rank of nobility.

Earl, land-owning nobility, collecting taxes is difficult.

Marquis – A nobleman with inconvenient land, often looked down upon, but the work is demanding and there is nothing good about it.

Viscount, a tool of the count, hereditary positions are allowed, a way to create connections to maintain the aristocracy by counting numbers.

Baron – A title to find someone who seems good enough to appoint and inherit… isn’t it fine?

>>44

Prince of the Imperial Court, cool.

The marquess might be looked down upon in private during peacetime, but since it’s important, they should at least put on a good face…

>>48

If you can’t even maintain a good exterior while carrying the title of nobility, that’s a bit… isn’t it?

The Holy Roman Empire had a variety of titles such as counts and margraves.

Honor is convenient, isn’t it?

>>51

Isn’t the teapot nice?

Was it clever to do that?

>>53

It’s not an honor, but a veneer.

>>57

Haku-shaku, huh?

>>53

Before that, if there was no land, I would just give names or titles to deceive others.

I don’t really understand the difference in titles, to be honest.

Nothing changes what we do, and the rank isn’t directly linked to the size of the territory, right?

>>52

There’s nothing that clear, you know.

>>52

Basically, the size of the title and the territory are directly connected.

Well, it seems like we can do business, so there’s a chance, right, Baron?

Even if the honor given can be created for free, setting things up costs money, and if it doesn’t balance out, dissatisfaction eventually builds up…

I like the origin of the Grand Duke.

In the case of a marquess facing a hostile country, they are generally at the front lines, aren’t they?

This tea set has the value of a castle in every country…

In comparison, official ranks are really easy to understand and great, right?

It’s not the size of the territory that’s linked to the title, but rather the fertility of the land.

>>65

Kira, who rules the dark demon realm, has set a trap because he covets the light-filled territory of Asano.

I did that in 47 RONIN.

I heard there was someone who betrayed the British baron about four times, and that was no good.

>>66

This is about the Duke of March who was exiled to Scotland after his downfall and put in charge of the borders, but tried to usurp the throne and lost in politics, so he was exiled to England and given charge of the borders again, but somehow reconciled and was exiled from England to Scotland where he was put in charge of the borders again, but got caught up in a political upheaval and ultimately was executed in Scotland for betrayal.

>>81

What is what is what??

In Japan, the ranks were determined by positions during the shogunate period, right?

>>67

The aristocracy and the Tokugawa clan determined status by family rank, while the daimyo were generally defined by the productivity of their territories.

A town with a population of a few thousand people would probably be held as a domain similar to that of a baron.

I liked things like attack gears and explosion gears.

Even an honorary position can serve as a weapon when doing business.

The frontier lord has great authority, so the likelihood of mischief is high.

That’s why I send reliable people, but I can have my fun since I can do what I want.

Is this under Sir 〇〇?

I thought discussions in threads like this would bring up titles of nobility that are regarded as equivalent to a baron that lasts for one generation only.

It might be because of the time zone, but it’s not the case.

>>76

?

Why do I have to be ordered by a duke when I am a vassal of a count?

I’m not a noble, so I’m not very familiar with it…

In the old days of Britain, you could be granted territory and receive a pension, and become part of the privileged class, but you had to serve as a soldier and socializing would involve significant expenses.

But Lord 〇〇! A total of 〇 people have arrived! We can do it!

In various works, barons and earls keep popping up, so they tend to be seen as light roles.

Isn’t it different to receive the title of Sir in present-day Britain?

>>86

There are no obligations or duties associated with the honorary title.

>>90

Sir Mick Jagger didn’t have any obligation…

The marquis has a reputation that puts him in a position of respect, as it feels like he is someone they can’t afford to ignore, so he isn’t treated with disdain.

The definition of historical facts differs by region, so whether or not it is properly set in creative works does make a difference.

>>91

Actually, it’s fine if it’s not based on historical facts.

As you can see from this thread, there are almost no people who truly understand the historical titles, so portraying them faithfully won’t necessarily help with understanding.

I’ve seen that otherworldly transfer story where the son of a baron is called a viscount.

What can a noble without a territory do?

>>94

Can act all grand.

Count March is an amazing nobleman who is both a duke of Scotland and a duke of England.

The Japanese system, roughly divided into the Prime Minister, prefectural governors, and municipal mayors, is easy to understand, but perhaps it is not often referenced because it diminishes the sense of fantasy.

>>97

If governance and civilization are that advanced, it seems possible to solve the problems before creating a narrative.

>>97

The system of modern nation-states is structured on the premise of very strong national authority, so if the governance situation is one that can be cited, it becomes difficult to create drama.

I want the ranks to be more clearly understood at a glance, like in large, medium, and small or one, two, three…!

The neighborhood association president is like a knight baron.

The village chief is like a baron.

The mayor is like a viscount.

A prefectural governor is like an earl.

Members of the cabinet are equivalent to marquises.

The duke has a special position, so the work is also different.

The way nobility is structured varies by region, taking into account historical circumstances, so there’s no need to worry too much about the details.

>>103

It’s better to have a clear definition of the world within the story in creative works, right?

If the protagonist is a noble, the hierarchy will inevitably be intertwined.

Why do the top two have the same reading?

>>104

It was really inconvenient, so when I called them differently, I needed the silly term “ooyake koushaku”.

What is the status of the man from La Mancha?

>>105

Idalgo

Noble without a title from Spain and Portugal.

There are really very few aspects that are firmly established and unchanging throughout history and across regions to the point where you can definitively say, “This is how this title is!”

In a fantasy world, it could be something like Ancient Dragon Duke → Dragon Duke → Lesser Dragon Duke → Wyvern Duke → Great Lizard Duke, right?

The reason the system has become complicated is that a complex level of consideration is required due to the political situation.

Conversely, because there is no absolute power, it is easier to move the conversation forward.

If you’re Japanese, let’s use the ritsuryō system!

I can’t remember your name!

It seems that there are currently 1,741 municipalities in Japan, so I think it can be quite relevant as a reference for the number of leaders necessary to govern 120 million people.

If you were to forcibly compare a marquis in Japan, it would be something like the king of the Kingdom of Hokkaido…

>>113

It’s fine to be the Shogun.

>>119

That would open the shogunate, wouldn’t it?

>>119

I think it’s about the lord of Kumamoto Castle.

100 million is really a huge number…

>>114

A class of 40 people has about 3000 items, you know…

Actually, the village chief is probably quite important, but somehow they tend to have a casual image, right?

>>116

In fantasy worlds, villages often have about 200 inhabitants.

>>118

Aogashima has 169 people, and Mikurajima Village has 323 people, so it’s around that…

>>118

On the contrary, the leader of such a large group tends to accumulate power excessively and seems to be the most arrogant.

>>116

A sense similar to that of a village headman.

Well, is the village headman that great?

>>120

The village headmen and leaders are literally the rulers of the rural community, so of course they are important.

Even if you say you have territory, what can you do with land that is nothing more than a toxic marsh used for dumping garbage and corpses?

Land that creates no value is nothing but a liability.

>>124

If it’s a poisonous swamp, there are ways to use it, right?

Places where barbaric tribes unlawfully occupy and live in large numbers, like slums, are far more tragic.

>>124

Start a war against other lords and seize decent land.

>>124

Starting a mercenary business while discarding excess residents and barely scraping by.

It’s all about how much practical benefit one finds in being a noble in name only.

Even if my rank has risen, if my income doesn’t increase and my expenses keep rising, no one would want to do it.

Is there something like forcing someone who doesn’t like it to take land that no one wants to have, which would be a loss or harmful to them, as a matter of honor?

>>130

There are cases in reality where undesirable real estate is forced upon relatives who do not want it.

Nobles without hereditary rights are not owners but hired CEOs.

If you are a noble, you can unconditionally steal ideas thought up by commoners and find various reasons to do so…

I think it’s also significant that Japan itself is not accustomed to a noble society.

The samurai government is essentially a military regime led by the warrior class.

>>135

It was just 80 years ago…

>>135

Once you enter Edo, it’s essential for the daimyo to have education, and there are those with court ranks, so it’s not much different from aristocratic society.

Even the head of the samurai family is nominally from the Seiwa Genji.

>>135

That is an issue of applying the translation, where the European nobility is a warrior class and the monarchy is a military regime.

The confusion between the discrepancies in this translation, the power struggles of medieval lords, and the image of the court battles that enlarged royal authority in the early modern period is hindering understanding.

In the feudal system, the lord has absolute authority within their territory, to the extent that even the king cannot easily interfere.

It is dangerous to underestimate something just because it lacks commercial value, and we are too trapped in modern capitalist measures.

Even during the Warring States period, official titles had relatively significant meaning, so there was still some aristocratic authority.

I’ve never really seen a work where a marquis is actually looked down upon.

I only see works that are somewhat contrarian or underestimated, but in reality, they’re amazing!

I wonder if there are businesses that sell territories and titles like the land-related scams, pushing worthless noble titles and useless garbage land at high prices…

In many eras and regions, nobility equates to warriors, after all.

It often appears on pages about broken engagements, but I feel like it’s mostly the person who messes up that is misunderstanding the situation.