I want to know the secret of this guy’s strength.

I wonder if Jiren will be defeated tonight. It’s clear that he is breaking through time skips and the prison of time with sheer force.

>>3

But Vegeta said that, you know…

>>3

There must be some reason for strength, without a doubt…

>>3

When it comes to the variability of power, it might sound trivial, but if it means having a technique to explosively unleash energy like the Kaio-ken, and being much better at it than Goku, then I don’t think it’s strange at all.

What the clown is saying doesn’t make any sense at all.

The Spirit Bomb’s direct hit was also smashed head-on…

When the first visual was revealed, it looked terrible like a crushed frog.

It’s not strange that someone can skip time with strength, as Goku has already done it.

In the DB world, supernatural powers can be overwhelmed by power.

I know there are people who aren’t fond of it, but I have the impression that there are quite a few dedicated fans without the clowns.

The response that comes to the question “Tell me your wish” is the story of a clown, which is insane.

It’s a muscular Gray, isn’t it?

If it’s Kirabeji and Normal Jiren, Vegeta’s reasoning might be slightly understandable.

It’s just too strong, it will attract fans.

Vegeta’s observations are ultimately just personal opinions… but then Whis said that it was correct…

>>20

But if we’re talking about absolute differences, it would end up like Tien losing to Nappa…

>>27

From the side, but the rules of the power tournament prohibit killing, so if you try to kill, it’ll probably just turn out that way…

>>20

After all, selfishness is a theory close to Jiren’s style.

Jiren’s overwhelming power is not being displayed anymore in the later stages.

If you’re saying that the way of using power doesn’t change anything, then I’m left wondering what exactly you were watching at the power tournament.

If Majin Buu can force his way out of the Room of Spirit and Time, then it should be possible, right?

There was a series for a few episodes in Jump with a character that looked something like this, right?

Ultimately, it became the same world view as Dragon Ball.

>>23

It comes up really often, so everyone knows about it.

Who is that guy?

If Gomar is a recreation of Jiren’s body, then it means that the Ultra and the world are connected, right?

I really dislike when a conversation that starts talking about Jiren ends up being just about oneself.

>>28

In the first place, even though I’ve been warned not to say unnecessary things to Jiren himself, this clown…

The 11th Nizuzerfa was also an alien like this, so was it a personal trend?

Usually, I’m relaxed, so it’s hard to predict the timing of my attacks and I don’t use much stamina, but I feel like that doesn’t really relate to whether I can blow my enemies away with such force, does it…?

>>32

The strength itself doesn’t change that much, but that’s based on Goku and Vegeta’s standards.

You can see the basic power around here…

>>32

It’s because I can unleash my full power from nothing with a clear mind (after all, even saying there’s not much difference from Goku and the others, it’s still at the level of Blue Kaio-ken).

There’s no power loss, so even just a punch has completely different power.

I really don’t get why time skipping and Spirit Bombs don’t work.

>>33

The Spirit Bomb simply lost due to power.

It’s the same as being pushed back by Buu without healing in Dragon Ball.

When they say it’s the secret of strength, even if I hear about the past, I just think I don’t know anything about that.

If anything, Vegeta’s reason is more proper and concise.

What the hell is this 🤡?

It must be spoken…

I will teach you as well. The reason for Jiren’s obsession with the unit.

Jiren lost credits in a certain exam.

And he was saved by a man who would become a professor, avoiding repeating a year.

After that, Jiren sought to further his studies and master the right path under the professor.

One person, two people, three people… Jiren had formed a group around him. Then the exam came again. He fought alongside his companions. Jiren had confidence that he could win.

However, he was too strong. Jiren’s companions fell one after another.

Even Professor Jiren lost his life during the exam.

Jiren tried to stand up again, but none of the surviving students stood up.

Those without knowledge had no choice but to fail. Jiren was left alone.

The sorrow of Jiren, who was betrayed by the reference book he trusted, is beyond measure.

At that moment, I felt strongly that reference books are worthless.

At the same time, I understood. Credits are justice. Credits are absolute.

If you win, those around you will follow. Winning guarantees you credits. No reference books are needed for that.

I fell in love with his tremendous desire for those units and his loneliness.

When I meditate, I often don’t understand why I’m floating in the sky.

>>39

Eh…!?

In the first place, it can draw power from zero, but that power is not much different from Goku and the others = even when looking across the entire universe, it’s among the top tier, so of course it’s strong…

Well, it’s more about why they seek strength to such an extent rather than the secret of their strength.

>>45

I wonder why it suddenly looks cool even though the design hasn’t changed…

>>55

I knew that suit was uncool…

>>45

If only there were about 100 more Yuya Takahashis…

>>45

This place is really cool.

Is it the clothes that are bad?

No matter how you think about it, his raw power easily surpasses Goku and Vegeta…

>>47

You don’t understand anything.

>>47

Well, if that’s the case, during the final stages, I should be able to shake off the grappling easily, so if it’s just power, it doesn’t make much difference.

It’s a depiction that should be understandable just by looking at it, so what do you want to achieve by showing such foolishness…?

Lord Beerus seemed scared by Jiren’s energy, and it feels like his energy is much bigger than Blue’s.

In other words, because I’m putting in effort at the moment of impact, there’s less wear and tear.

I think Goku had a similar kind of evaluation around the time of the Frieza Saga and the Ginyu Force.

What is that low combat power? It’s like just at the moment of attack…!

>>51

Well, the route is similar, but there is a world of difference in its accuracy.

I’m not able to unleash full power even subconsciously.

The person who keeps bringing that up every time really doesn’t understand anything…

>>74

Who decides the precision between heaven and earth?

Did Jiren even unleash his full power in an instant to begin with?

It’s impossible that Goku doesn’t touch on that matter at all in the manga.

Well, the truth is that manga isn’t really worth discussing in the first place.

I think the suit is uncool because Jiren and Toppo look cool when they take it off.

There is not much difference in power between us.

It can be considered that the comparison target is something selfish.

>>53

Selfishness is a different matter.

In that sense, Goku’s Ultra Instinct doesn’t really change his power itself that much.

>>53

In reality, selfishness isn’t the reason for the increase in output.

Selfish Goku ≧ Jiren who is good at using his power is mostly in agreement with the reasoning that Vegeta mentions.

You don’t understand anything, but you’re too strong as a stereotype.

There’s nothing to discuss without the jokes, right?

I only have a ridiculously strong identity.

>>56

It’s the most important element in Dragon Ball, right?

I think Jiren has a much more refined face than Niz Zelpha, even though he was pretty creepy as a child.

I was really disappointed when that guy’s helmet broke and revealed his face.

Vegeta hasn’t fought Jiren at full power, so this might be a discussion without full power.

How many times did the ultimate battle flow in this tournament?

Simply put, a boss who is the strongest warrior in the entire universe solely due to overwhelming power and basic combat ability is a type that wasn’t really seen much in Dragon Ball.

>>64

The enemies in Dragon Ball have too many evolved forms and regenerative abilities.

>>64

Frieza has transformations, Cell and Buu have significant absorption aspects, and Zamasu is just creepy.

>>71

The text consists solely of an emoji and does not require translation.

When you summarize it, this guy is seriously too strong and it makes me laugh weirdly.

Why do you end up having a pretty good match against a selfish opponent?

It’s scary how Goku was usually dominant until he destroyed the audience seats and got angry.

Without transformation or temporary power-ups, a naturally strong guy who is as strong as the Blue Kaio-ken fights in a way similar to Ultra Instinct, so he just ends up being even stronger.

You can’t let them say that in a movie adaptation of a manga.

It’s not just combat power or the size of one’s spirit that determines strength, and I really like how that connects to the development in the manga where Master Roshi teaches it again…

>>76

But if there was no Kaio-ken back then, I wouldn’t have even been able to hold my ground against Vegeta or Frieza.

First, you have to get on the same level as the other person for the conversation to even matter.

It’s almost time for Uhhyo Uhhyo…

The fact that the species of Jiren is said to be about as strong as Earthlings is crazy.

Jiren, how much have you trained?

Are you here?

Is Jiren’s special ability something like red flames? That was definitely hot, wasn’t it?

>>82

It seems like you might share the secret of strength.

But apparently, they are doing it instinctively…

To be frank, you only need to watch the final episode of this.

The final episode really polished the character quite well.

What the hell is the 11th universe, where even though Jiren is present, the public safety and quality of the people are at the lowest level?

If the seventh universe didn’t have Namekians and Yardrats, it would seem quite low.

>>87

Although we narrowly missed being in the top four, we are ranked fifth in terms of quality of culture.

O… hey Vegeta! Do something about this guy!

It feels like Jiren in normal times is on the same level as TV Vegeta and Goku, as well as Blue Kaioken and Shiny Blue.

In that area, Jiren feels like he completely outmatches the two with his technique, despite the lack of extreme differences, and since both of them are going all out, it feels like their power is being heavily consumed.

Since Goku became Ultra Instinct, both Jiren and Goku have seemed to elevate each other and surpass their limits.

The clown and Vegeta are so noisy.

It’s the final episode, built upon everything that has come before.

Hey, Vegeta! Why are you trying to play the hero like a clown too?!

>>94

Hehehe…

This is surprising.

It’s hard to believe there were some country folks who didn’t know that Vegeta acknowledged Jiren as an incredible guy in the final episode…

I will teach you as well. The reason for Jiren’s obsession with heating.

Jiren’s parents were killed by a great cold wave.

And I was saved from death when scalding hot water was poured over me by the man who became my master.

Then, Jiren sought to master further warmth and the right path under his master’s guidance, one by one, two by two, three by three… A hot water bottle formed around Jiren.

There it came again. I fought along with the hot water bottle. I was confident I could win against Jiren.

However, the winter was too cold. Jiren’s companions were killed one after another. Even Jiren’s master lost his life in the battle against winter.

Jiren tried to stand up again, but none of the surviving disciples rose to their feet. The temperature of the hot water bottle could only follow the passage of time. Jiren suffered from frostbite.

The sadness of Jiren, betrayed by the hot water bottle he trusted, is unimaginable. At that moment, he realized that lukewarm hot water is worthless.

At the same time, I understood. Temperature is justice. Warmth is absolute.

If you warm it up, a good night’s sleep will follow. If you add humidity, you will gain moisture for your skin. There’s no need for things like hot water bottles.

I fell in love with that tremendous warmth of Jiren and his loneliness.

It seems that no matter what I do, my attacks aren’t effective, more than during the time when I was just having a mediocre match.

Even in the final episode, it looked way stronger to be fighting evenly or better against Frieza and Goku, even in a battered state.

>>96

In terms of combat power, everyone was at their weakest back then, but they’re really fighting with every last bit of strength, so it’s very impressive.

I wondered what human level even is and why the protagonist’s universe is Booby.

When I recalled the numerous tragedies that have occurred so far, I just went “ugh…”

>>97

What is it with these ridiculously strong androids being born one after another?

>>97

In the anime version of DBZ, there are many movies, and well, it’s really a terrible universe, isn’t it…

>>97

For a while, Lord Frieza was freely raising land all over the universe, and even after Lord Frieza was defeated, the dreadful situation has continued…

>>97

It feels like the number of villains has suddenly increased before and after Goku was born, and the level of humanity has declined.

I just have a feeling, but I wonder if Goku is attracting villains… I was also worried about it myself, and it’s strange how the Majin Buu incidents occur right when he comes back to life…

With a power level around Super 3 Gotenks, it’s possible to break through space with sheer physical force, so if it’s just for a moment, time can be handled however you want…

Even though he hasn’t done any training at all, if Gohan-chan can reach this level purely based on talent, I wonder if we can just call him a genius at this point.

>>100

Since Saiyans cannot transform without living a peaceful life, it seems that Gohan is somehow storing potential by becoming lazy and getting weaker.

If we want to have Jiren tell his own story, we need to bring Future Trunks.

>>102

Jiren can probably do it instinctively.

>>102

You don’t understand anything.

In other words, it means that they fully unleashed the power that they had been conserving at the end.

>>102

Well, it’s clear that egoism was superior in that area, so it seems Jiren was straining himself to muster his fighting power.

I understand that jumping 2 seconds in time.

What are you saying, you idiot, about accumulating the time you’ve wasted and locking it away in a prison of time?

>>104

You’ve got abilities like a Stand user…

>>104

It’s a waste just to skip time, so reusing the time skipped has become a recent trend.

I had no interest at all in Jiren’s background or past.

I really love Jiren, who was fighting happily with Goku and the others in the final episode.

The place in Librian has a generally high level of civility, but it’s just barely out of line.

It’s definitely a lie that Jiren and the others were just barely out.

>>110

Even the likes of the Pride Troopers can’t keep up with arresting villains, and there are ordinary opponents that even someone at the speed of light like Dispo struggles against…

A universe with a lazy god of destruction and a rookie god of creation is certainly of a low level.

It’s the world of Goku where something happened, right Hit?

They look similar too.

>>113

That’s an outrageous insult!

Hmm, it looks like I can easily overpower Nappa with a battle power of around 4000, but against Vegeta with a battle power of 18000, I barely managed to win with all my strength. Since Goku is now a young adult, I don’t think he will grow significantly stronger anymore, so maybe I should create a few androids with a battle power of around 100000000…

>>115

Even if you’re being extra cautious, this is going too far, and what’s up with casually creating a perpetual motion machine…?

>>130

Because he is a doctor, he couldn’t quite connect strength to numbers, so he didn’t know how strong it should be, which is why he made it as strong as possible.

The time skip during a hit looks like a cheat and is a lower-quality version of Goku.

The theory of loss, which explains why typhoon number 17 is unusually strong, is a bit off-topic.

If energy is infinite, then I don’t care about power loss or anything like that…

>>120

If we have infinite energy and the unused portion keeps accumulating, it might be possible that just by living, we gradually become stronger.

Even without looking to space, there are things like the RR army here on Earth too…

I wonder why the precise manipulation of energy is talked about in such a special way when it’s something we’ve been doing extensively with techniques like the Kaio-ken.

When I look back, it has been consistent that while I seriously take on one-on-one battles with strong opponents, I become extremely annoying once they start to focus on teamwork.

If anything, the competition of power or the entire super entity maintains its evaluation in that final episode.

>>124

I remember foreigners broadcasting on street corner TVs and it was really lively.

>>163

There are no otaku who won’t get pumped up seeing Goku and Frieza fighting together in a battered state.

I think the 7th Universe is a bit unbalanced with Gohan, Vegeta, Majin Buu, Frieza, Broly, Beast Gohan, and Yardrat aliens all present, along with the Dragon Balls.

I thought it was genius to express a state of limitation that can’t even become a Super Saiyan like that.

The final episode was good, but there are actually quite a few other episodes that are also really interesting!

There are many bad episodes, but!

>>132

There are occasionally good episodes, but the badness of the bad episodes is too overwhelming… like the ending of the Future Trunks arc…

I’ll forgive it since the final episode was worth 50 billion points out of 100.

When it comes to discussions about human levels and such, regardless of Frieza’s motivations for eradicating the Saiyans, he’s definitely fulfilling the duties of a God of Destruction.

>>133

Seeing that Super Saiyans and Gods have become legends makes me think that Saiyans are way too dangerous…

In a management universe, it wouldn’t be surprising if they became the final boss, like in an RPG or something.

In the 11th Universe, it’s normal for Dispotoppo to casually lose.

If it weren’t for Jiren, wouldn’t this universe be destroyed?

The power difference is such that even the Super Spirit Bomb of the Seventh Universe is pushed back by a 20x Kaio-ken.

The level of civilization in Jiren’s universe isn’t low; it’s just that the cutoff line is too high.

September 13 is impossible.

>>137

That said, a universe where villains are so rampant that Jiren has to work hard every day is, of course, disqualified…

>>145

Is it true that the higher universe is so peaceful that the god of destruction is bored?

>>156

There are universes that are particularly idle without anything to destroy, and there are also universes where the Supreme Kai holds frequent meetings to minimize destruction to the bare minimum early on.

>>137

I suppose they perceive that having 2 or 3 universes is enough.

The Librian’s universe definitely looks like a high-civilization, but that’s also a no-go.

Even with troopers around, the crime doesn’t stop, which shows how low the civic consciousness is.

>>142

Moreover, there are some that you can’t win against even if all the troopers are present when Jiren is not there.

According to the Grand Priest’s standards, any universe with life forms that have physical bodies is immediately disqualified at that level.

I wonder if it feels like being out if there’s no desire at all…

On the contrary, I want to know what the situation is like in the exemption universe.

It’s great how the emotionless Noh mask guy shows raw emotions towards the end and ends up smiling in the final battle…

>>151

Even while both of us were falling apart, facing the remaining three alone was truly impressive in terms of strength…

If it’s a universe with only Namekians and Yardratts, I think I could probably pass.

>>153

Anyway, some super evil Namekian is going to show up.

The fact that the disposable from the first appearance is struggling so much is too confusing.

>>155

That guy is probably stronger than Goku in a one-on-one fight…

>>155

It was probably the target of the movie version.

I really want to know what happened to the Pride Troopers after Ultra and the Sixth Universe.

The universe that was exempted from the tournament has become so advanced in civilization that it has attained enlightenment and transformed into a spiritual entity, and the Kaioshins and Gods of Destruction are having regular meetings to carry out planned destruction and creation, so there are legitimate reasons for the exemption.

Stop slacking off, Beerus, and be a God of Destruction!

The clothing in the last scene near the end is cool, so it’s definitely the costume that’s at fault.

I love the red aura of the one before the final episode.

Selfishness makes it look uncool when wearing brand new uniforms in games, so everyone take them off.

>>164

Goku only needs an undershirt.

But it seems like 🤡 is kind of bored, doesn’t it?

>>166

🤡 is actually doing a considerable amount of work in nurturing the next generation.

In the first place, it seems like the time machine, Majin Buu, Hildegarn, Janemba, and Beerus all came about because Beerus was slacking off, so it makes sense that he would erase the 7th universe.

In the seventh universe, there are only 28 planets with intelligent life, but how many beings are there in that universe where strong individuals at the level of Jiren emerge every day?

You can forget about the clowns since their settings differ too much in manga and anime.

The space where Dispo is about to be attacked by a wild monster is crazy.

I’ve already stopped thinking about it and accepted it, but what is power?

What can the seven people below do against an opponent that even Dispo struggles with?

Many people like Spakin’s if.

The clown is overly reliant on the Troopers, pushing the hero of justice, which is why there isn’t enough destruction.

I feel like I’ve seen everything I wanted to see in the final episode, so of course it’s going to get a high rating.

Because it was all stories that removed the super things I wanted to see until then…

>>180

I quite like Zamasu.

>>180

It doesn’t seem like you’re looking at it too much.

If you think of it as the 11th universe where wild monsters like Golfri and Broly appear and rampage every day, the security situation is really bad…

I also like the Sixth Universe arc and the Future arc.

If I acknowledge the strength of that trust and bond, it would mean that everything I’ve done would be denied, so I hate it!!!! He kicked everyone aside and became the strongest man.

The song “Kakarotto! Gogetaaa!” from Broly was inspired by the excitement of the foreign version of Dragon Ball Super’s final episode.

Even if this guy wins, I was hoping for the resurrection of the entire universe, but thinking about it calmly, most people would wish for that, right?

If you want a reward, you could probably get enough from the Kaioshins or something.