Got it! I’ll do it! I’m fired up! Awesome! What kind of manga do you want to draw? Even if you ask me that suddenly… Ah, I don’t want to do that kind of thing either. Popular scenarios, pregnancy, abortion… that’s the worst, right? I just like manly manga. It’s like shoujo manga or those quick romance novels, right…? Also, if we’re talking about that, let’s include “Youth’s Explosive Horse” too. It’s a tear-jerker number one item! I don’t want to be an otaku kind of thing. Ah, I see… Sorry!
Because the series started in 2008.
Around the time when Haruhi and Lucky Star became popular and otaku started to stand out.
It was still treated as a bizarre delicacy.
It captures the atmosphere of the times.
It’s a conversation among middle school students.
It was an era when it was okay to pick fights with otaku.
Drugs and alcohol are classic, aren’t they?
These guys probably think they’re not otaku, but they are.
Gamo seems to dislike saying that.
Isn’t it strange to apply today’s values to a discussion about the past?
The influence of Gamou’s thoughts was evident, wasn’t it?
When touching on this manga girl, she suddenly starts expressing her thoughts.
>>12
Overall it’s interesting, but when it comes to stories about women, it feels quite off…
>>36
A woman who goes against men or is rebellious is trash.
Women who elevate and pamper men are the best.
It’s a bit scary how the ideas that seem to imply a desperation from the non-popular are seeping out in other mangas.
It wasn’t that the compliance awareness was so strict that it led to a major scandal.
At that time, it was treated as a prejudice of Showa-era fathers to the extent of causing a minor uproar.
A troubled kid says things like this.
I also looked down on my classmates.
At that time, Gamou was treated like, well…
The things said by a narrow-minded kid were not even an expression; it was a work that was openly biased against the manga genre until the very end.
It was gross, so I stopped reading it early on.
But Trouble is a beautiful ecchi manga, unlike those creepy, weak-willed otaku mangas, so it’s the best!
In the early stages of fiercely chasing dreams with raw youth, it didn’t bother me too much, but…
Even after becoming a professional, my values around here haven’t really changed much…
But it’s sad to say that, honestly, it’s not that far away, even now.
I’m having fun, but there are quite a few genres that are mocked on social media, right?
At this point, it’s still a manga that hasn’t even started serialization yet.
It feels like there’s a belief that anything other than Jump isn’t manga.
I think it’s amazing that my classmate, who later became a Kirara-style manga artist, was ridiculed.
>>21
It’s a common thing for wannabes, so it’s real in that sense.
Even after the middle stages, it’s like, what the hell, you guys were making fun of everyone around you.
That guy… mocked Yanmaga…!!
>>22
Yanmaga is leaving behind manga that relies on sex appeal to distract.
It’s troubling that there are also some blemishes.
Are you making fun of One Piece?
>>24
Since Oda-sensei became a successful manga artist, he has pushed his sexual preferences to the forefront…
I feel like Aaron Park was leaking occasionally too.
These days, Young Magazine has stuff like “Divine Demon” and “Volley Boys,” and it was seriously a filthy magazine.
Wasn’t there a development that suggested the editor was incompetent…? It was depicted quite well in Bakuman.
>>26
But I think it’s a topic that should be done if a manga artist does a long serialization with a manga.
There are also capable editing characters present.
>>32
It seems there was such an incompetent editor…
Why are you suddenly talking about Young Magazine!?
Rape is a manly act, right!?
>>28
Girls feel good too.
Well, it’s not limited to shojo manga; it can be found in shonen manga as well…
Tera’s thoughts are alive.
I can’t think of abortion, but everything else is in Jump, right?
Looking back, it’s really something that I like manly manga…
I feel that there are more heroines with incurable diseases geared towards men.
>>37
It feels like an image often found in eroge heroines and mobile novels.
Smart and confident women are annoying.
For girls, being in a relationship is the greatest happiness.
I was thinking that the blend of the realistic style and the boyish romantic comedy vibe around the heroine might not mix well.
>>43
Is there a romantic comedy with a heroine like that? Is it To LOVE-RU?
Masculine manga… maybe gekiga or yankee stories?
Do many people not know that Love Sky had become a social phenomenon around this time?
>>45
There are probably more people who don’t know about the adult entertainment of 18 years ago.
>>45
I don’t need old man’s stories.
I thought the author’s true feelings were leaking through, as they suddenly insert these parts without any meaning, making me not want to draw this.
Old man
As an overly complicated middle and high school otaku, it’s quite realistic.
The heroine is just too much of an otaku’s fantasy.
>>53
What do you expect from a manga heroine for elementary school students if she’s not easy to understand?
It’s been pointed out many times, but it’s good that these guys are having conversations like this.
It’s something that a junior high or high school student aspiring to be a manga artist would likely say.
The problem is that this value system continues to succeed without being denied by anyone.
I’m not saying anything particularly strange…
It’s somehow peculiar that they have placed a conveniently ideal heroine who continues to have unwavering feelings for the protagonist, despite having no frequent opportunities to engage with them, and have her say this.
Seeing these two compliment each other for being smart gives me a really creepy feeling.
Too many readers can’t separate the author from the work.
>>59
If you want to cheer for Bakuman, that’s a bad move.
>>59
It’s often discussed too much in the extremes of whether thought is involved or not.
Because Bakuman is based on manga, it’s often easy for critics to take it seriously, which makes it more susceptible to position-based arguments.
It’s tough that those who are criticizing aren’t even aware of it.
>>84
You are aware, aren’t you, baldy?
Smart women seem to look like fools, which I laughed at here; it’s just unbeatable.
But in reality, the works these guys created aren’t really manly; they have that vibe that otaku would like…
It’s not in the moe style, but…
(I really hate Kirara-type things…)
>>62
That was actually distinct from the best-selling manga up until that point.
There was a time when I didn’t understand why it was selling and people found it spooky.
This work itself is full of people who draw manga without separating the author’s thoughts from the work.
You’re not the kind of girl that elementary school students like, Azuki.
>>65
She’s a woman who can fight together.
In the end, manga that gets popular in Jump is just about how well you can draw something that follows a pattern while adding some flair.
The image in the thread is good, but I can’t stand the scene where they ask whether the voice actress is a virgin or not.
>>67
That was tough over there, wasn’t it…?
It’s probably a story about the heroine from Bakuman, so it’s not aimed at elementary school students in the first place.
Rape pregnancy, an incurable disease has been featured recently in ONE PIECE, hasn’t it?
Given that this kind of statement has been made, normally there should be a part where you realize, “The manga you’ve been mocking actually stands on its own with proper strategy and effort.”
There’s nothing particularly like that, you know.
>>72
Rather, writers other than those from Jump were generally portrayed as villainous scum, right?
>>82
Perhaps the impact of my classmate who was serialized in a moe manga ending up unemployed and becoming a worthless person is strong.
“Manse!”
I was hitting that chubby kid who was drawing in class, right?
>>75
So, having two potential girlfriends come over is making me feel underestimated in various ways…
It’s crazy to still be fixated on a 17-year-old manga, especially over just a little scene that made you mad.
>>76
It’s not just one scene, it’s the entire thing.
>>76
AirP punctuation pig should hang itself.
There are often scenes where these guys criticize genres and techniques.
There are professionals who are doing it normally, and it’s becoming popular, right? I often got called out on that.
In the story, it proceeds with the assumption that the correct things are not questioned.
Honestly, there have only been tough developments and I was wondering why it sold so well…?
At that time, it was just barely.
Honestly, I think it feels quite tough to read now.
You should not draw manga about manga artists in the same way as Death Note.
>>85
First of all, Death Note carefully portrays Light as a dangerous guy, but these characters are only depicted as sparkly middle school students.
I understand that it’s a belief that everything besides Jump is terrible.
They did it a lot in Jump too, and because of that they start to look down on it, so I can’t quite understand their values.
The part where the drawing is good and it’s like a battle of ideas is enjoyable to read, but…
I was bad at everything else, and I didn’t have a favorite character in Bakuman.
Since the time of Lucky Man, Gamou-sensei has been showing some kind of bias and resentment towards women.
I am aware of my baldness.
If you remove the parts that are annoying, it would be hollow as a manga.
>>93
In other words, isn’t it essential for this work to function as a manga…?
A story about a gross old man gorging on pizza.
There was nothing interesting.
Well, the really strange thing is around here…
I’ll put an end to it in 10 weeks.
It’s definitely going to cause an uproar by episode 2…
I’m going to have her voice the main character in the anime adaptation!
Even though I’m saying that, no matter how you think about it, she should be doing the voices for the K-drama-style manga and light novel adaptations that are ridiculously stupid first.
This was made into an anime, right?
It was super air.
>>101
Anti’s wish, huh?
>>101
There is no ultra-air.
I made some changes and finished it all the way to the end.
>>108
I see, when it was adapted into an anime, I had already lost interest in the manga, so it just felt empty to me…
>>101
Even if the anime failed, the movie succeeded greatly, right?
It feels somewhat half-baked or lacking in depth for a manga artist manga.
The beginning was interesting, including the youthful freshness around here.
Actually, it wasn’t a depiction of youthful innocence, but rather that professionals were doing something similar, which made me think, “What is this?”
The girl is cute, but I feel like this manga doesn’t need a girl.
When a girl gets involved in the conversation, it suddenly turns into a fantasy without morals.
The movie is a tie-up with that “New Treasure Island.”
There was a tendency to think of girls as a punching bag.
Especially intelligent type.
Once upon a time… even I… there were times when stories of generations resonated. Now, the world is only as wide as my palm, but I don’t want to “bind” myself to a certain culture; if I belong to one, it will be the end. Imagination and creativity will just be burdened with unnecessary biases. There are times I find myself thinking about things I don’t want to think about, or seeking things I don’t want to see. For those who express themselves, at least “freedom” will not diminish. If one feels that everything is a black box, influenced by trends in the world or the tracks laid down by others, then criticism or analysis for the sake of critiquing MD becomes meaningless. The historical and cultural context is merely a tool, becoming nominal. Moreover, to be brainwashed can inhibit a person from being fully human; that is what culture is about. I want to believe it is appropriate. It varies from person to person… yes, according to individual values, it’s perfectly fine for each person to create their own expression.
The line that gave me the most chills.
This is creepier than the ideology about women.
>>112
That is an idea that even Shoji Otomo reached, but not necessarily.
>>119
I thought the way you said it was creepier than the content itself.
It feels extremely cold when someone speaks loudly as if they truly understand.
>>125
I think it’s creepier for someone to change their statements later on when the situation turns unfavorable for them.
>>112
Please articulate it properly.
Is it like a story where you’re making excuses for writing Bakuman?
>>112
Don’t make the young speak for the old…
>>112
The story that people without talent can only do this is rather a wall they encounter when they’re young.
Well, you say things like this, but then you start mocking other manga, so I don’t get it.
>>112
I don’t think what they said is especially strange…
When a series starts, the interesting dramas seem to disappear.
I don’t want to say this because the conversation is ending, but…
When there are too many criticisms, it makes me feel like I don’t want to continue…
Manga about manga is a far less meaningful genre than yankee manga.
>>115
I feel like it’s a genre that occasionally hits but basically doesn’t hit.
For some reason, it feels like landmine-like topics are strangely gaining attention.
Even though the protagonist aims to be in shonen manga, looking down on other genres, recent examples include Tai-Pak and that recent one I’m not familiar with.
I think it has become a timeless masterpiece that can be read over and over again if we exclude the parts related to women and some strong themes.
There were things even back then that were questionable, but now when I read them, it’s a bit… there are quite a few.
I quite liked it until around the time the fat manga artist went a little crazy.
I feel like the anime was quite toned down since it was on the E-Tele slot, targeting children who aspire to become manga artists.
It bothers me that the editor who was obsessively in love with a female manga artist seemed to want to demean and permanently preserve the shame of a real person in their work.
>>126
It would have been fine with a pattern of lowering and then rising, but the fact that it dramatically dropped and then faded out is rather terrible.
It’s amazing that it hit in such a trivial genre, and on Jump, no less.
The content was fairly in-depth and the art style added to the realism quite a bit.
I thought it was a manga created because there are many readers who only read Jump, and that’s what makes the brand viable.
In the anime, Nanamine-kun was cut.
It’s not strange as a line from an overconfident middle school student, though.
It feels somehow eerie because it progresses while being affirmed in that very spirituality.
Characters modeled after real editors are all capable!
Honestly, I wonder if I wasn’t embarrassed…
For now, it’s hilarious that I’m driven by the desire to criticize Bakuman and am saying incoherent things.
>>135
Since you can hit it correctly as much as you want, I think you should hit it properly.
Well, frankly, it’s strange that both Sunday and Magazine are still alive as garbage magazines these days, so it’s no wonder Jump is on cloud nine.
It’s fine to be a Shonen Jump supremacist, but at that time I thought there was no need to repeatedly insert lines that mock other genres.
I feel like there was a lot of excitement around the right to end the manga that Age disliked back then.
It’s not about the story itself, but more like “hurry up and finish the bottom three on the page.”
Not trying to rest is admirable!
I want to let the current lineup hear this too!
I wonder if they are picking a fight with real authors.
>>140
You don’t even draw, do you…
Well, even though the ability to break a name is irreplaceable, you know…
I feel a belief that anything other than jump manga isn’t really manga.
I liked Hikaru no Go and Death Note, but it suddenly changed to a design style that only has expressions of disgust, and combined with the content, it became unbearable.
I hate women so much that everything around me is just noise.
These days, Sunday has been featuring blatant knock-off manga of Death Note.
I already forgot the title, but…
People who think a manga character’s lines reflect the author’s thoughts are idiots.
>>146
It’s better to say that it’s a crazy work where the protagonist’s camp has a distorted sense of ethics, the story conveniently progresses in their favor, and those who oppose them disappear, leading to a happy ending.
>>150
Don’t suddenly bring up the topic of the Tai Park.
I can understand why you dislike art-related manga.
I submitted it about twice, and both times I got completely torn apart.
Maybe it’s because I was called out, but later I read TO Love Ru with wide eyes…
Mr. Nakai is too much of a victim of the script.
Also, the next editor in charge after Hattori-san will be…
Liking To LOVE-Ru is so Aruts…!
Because of this, there are times when Mr. Saito, who has a high evaluation, looks a bit uncertain.
I wonder why they hated it so unnecessarily, even though it’s not like Kirara-type manga has sales that influence the popularity of Jump manga.
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