John is sitting down.

>>1

Isn’t Nob the brother, even though this is randomly tagged with “Yeah”?

>>52

Nobihiro is here.

>>1

>>1

Nobunaga is a son who is neither pushed nor pushed back, and since he is an overwhelmingly superior presence in the relationship with his brothers, he is not in the middle.

Yoshisuke in the manga from the thread.

I guess the scenarios where I won against both my older brother and younger brother can be excluded.

The two emperors who were the beginning of the Northern and Southern Courts were brothers, and the younger brother ended up taking the throne.

>>125

Then it’s Yang Guang too.

We’ve done the same thing, haven’t we!

Hanakura Rebellion

What are you doing?

Are there any other examples of brothers fighting a war besides the one in the thread image?

I know that Yoshitsune lost.

It seems that when it comes to mythological levels, there are many examples where the younger brother is the victor and represents justice.

>>14

Cain won, but was cursed by God.

>>14

Zeus, the third son and also the eldest son.

>>14

Is Zeus the eldest son or the youngest?

>>40

Both.

It was shaped in such a way that both nomads and agricultural people could understand that Zeus is the supreme god.

>>14

Yamasachi and Umisachi.

Jinshin no Ran (Jinshin Rebellion)

>>18

That was actually a fight between an uncle and a nephew, right?

The brothers Toki-suke and Toki-mune.

From here on, there’s still plenty of time for both the younger brother’s turn and the older brother’s turn, which is amazing.

Conversely, does that mean there are hardly any?

Speaking of which, Nov also beat his brother.

>>25

Basically, since my brother is expected to succeed the family, everything will be taken care of on that side…

>>25

The San-kan no Ran (Rebellion of the Three Governors) is led by the brother, who is the rebel army…

Okuninushi and Yamata no Orochi.

The pattern of the concubine’s brother versus the legal wife’s brother occurs frequently.

I don’t know about the others.

Even the master makes a shabby exit.

>>28

There haven’t been many people in history who have died in a dramatic way.

I’m basically on a hospital bed.

>>32

As expected, many shoguns have a remarkable way of dying.

>>37

Of course, everyone gets their brains fried.

Nov’s brain has been burned too, you know.

>>32

One third of the samurai side among the thirteen members of the council has been assassinated in battle…

>>32

A war god will die if they push too hard in the toilet…

Ninomiya’s incident was won by his brother.

Uesugi Kenshin and so on.

The original work is always folding up the furoshiki.

There are also cases where the elder brother gets too carried away and ends up getting beaten by the legitimate heir.

If my younger brother’s side wins, it seems like he won’t be recognized as my younger brother anymore.

Nobunaga’s half-brother reflected on his defeat, while his full-blooded younger brother…

>>42

No, it’s bad that Tokiyoshi is covering for the wrongdoing of Shinobu.

>>42

The reason that the existing image of Yoshitsune tends to be indecisive is largely because he held a position that mediated between two essential and conflicting elements of the shogunate, both of which often acted according to their own whims.

In Greek tragedy, both Eteocles and Polynices died in a mutual death, right?

Many samurai in the Middle Ages died in extremely dangerous ways.

Ashikaga Uesugi.

Li Shimin completely retaliated against the brothers who came to kill him and then imprisoned his father, right?

It’s interesting how the culture of nomads has the youngest child inheriting the largest fortune.

>>48

Ancient Japan wasn’t a nomadic culture, but in mythology, it follows the practice of younger son inheritance.

>>48

That being said, it’s mostly a divided inheritance.

The older brother will inherit the property when he becomes independent.

>>48

If there are many siblings, there may be no property left for the youngest child because you have to divide the minimum assets necessary for independence.

Imagawa Yoshimoto won the struggle for succession against his remaining brother after his two older brothers suddenly died.

The pattern of the younger brother winning is either the one where the elder brother who succeeded the family head dies, leading to a conflict among the lower-ranking younger brothers, like in the Hanakura Rebellion, or perhaps the scenario where the elder brother rebels against the legitimate younger brother.

That’s because you have kids.

>>54

Hideyoshi’s response.

The first head of the Takeda clan, Takeda Nobuyoshi, had a twin brother, but he’s rather lackluster…

I was surprised this week when it ended so quickly after all the hype like “Tadakatsu vs. Toshiyuki!!”

>>58

Now is the real deal!

>>58

There is a Naoaki Returns.

>>58

Now is the real thing.

Yoshimoto Imagawa also fought against his half-brother in a family feud and won.

It’s quite common to think of a younger brother killing an older brother through assassination, but it feels rare for the younger brother to win in a real war.

Nobihiro, well… maybe they just considered it a close call.

The moves of the brothers from here were so confusing that I couldn’t understand them even after reading the guidebook or the wiki, so I’m looking forward to it.

Aurangzeb is the third son, so it’s fine to call him a younger brother.

Ottoman Empire

Are you coming back even though you became a monk?

The Gokaden conflict raises the question of whether there is any sense of brotherhood between Kagekatsu and Kagetora in the first place.

However, if it has been wrapped up, there’s nothing that can be done…

Isn’t Shi naore a total jerk?

It seems that the elf’s turn will be the last one.

I’m going to drag the Southern Dynasty into our internal squabbles!

>>79

Ashikaga Takauji joins the siege against Taira!

However… to be frank, it seems that the Taiheiki tends to place all the inconvenient parts on Yoshisada.

>>80

As research progresses, there are aspects of Go-Daigo that are being reevaluated, but Yoshitsune has always been a scoundrel, right?

It seems like there should be a pattern where the middle sibling wins, but I can’t really think of many examples.

>>81

In the first place, it’s ridiculous for brothers to be split into three factions and fight against each other.

>>86

The son of Yuan Shao…

The thread image won, but it was just made to look like it lost.

It’s really the lowest to not acknowledge a child you’ve abandoned.

>>106

If you have a heart, that sort of thing shouldn’t matter, right…?

>>84

To be honest, children’s recognition in the era of samurai required the approval of the legitimate wife, so it couldn’t be decided solely by Yoshitsune’s decision.

For example, in the case of Tokugawa Ieyasu, when his primary wife, Chikubushima, was alive…

Nobuyasu → Child of the main wife

Hideyasu → An illegitimate child who did not receive approval from the legal wife.

Hidetada → A legitimate child who received approval from the lawful wife.

It feels like that.

Clearly, my younger brother lost and is in despair, but it’s not ending like this…

Black telephone

Chosokabe Morichika… There was one-sided favoritism from his parent.

To be honest, famous figures from the past often exaggerated their backgrounds for the sake of legitimacy.

I think there are countless cases where a younger brother becomes an older brother.

Fair politics is about righteousness! Even though that was said, just a little fear is stirred up and it suddenly becomes “Well, maybe it’s different…”—that’s just a joke.

The evaluation peak of Yoshimitsu is due to the backlash against the pre-war historical perspective immediately after the war.

When the firstborn, overflowing with lineage and talent, suddenly dies, it is easy for a muddy succession struggle to occur.

The famous episode where Guan Zhong tried to kill someone and failed should have been his younger brother.

Wasn’t it Yuan Shao’s son or brother who won?

>>99

Everyone loses; it’s just that the order of death varies.

From here, I heard that Takauji and Yoshisada joined the Southern Court, defeated Masanori, and that Takauji was poisoned after his defeat.

It was the Meiji people who elevated figures like Kusunoki Masashige, right?

I don’t know, but I know.

>>103

Masakatsu was a popular figure who was respected not only by future generations but even by his enemy, Takauji.

>>103

I like the story of how it was supposed to decay due to the post-war backlash, but in the end, it turned out to be quite capable, right?

>>110

I tried to make a negative evaluation by spreading rumors about being a villain, but instead, I became popular again as a dark hero.

>>134

That’s not what a villain means, right?!

>>134

A villain isn’t like that!

The meaning of a group of samurai that is not under the shogunate.

>>177

At that time, the term “bad guy” was commonly used by the shogunate, and those who did not listen to the shogunate were treated as bad guys.

>>194

At that time, armed groups that did not obey the shogunate were referred to as “bad guys,” and they were specifically named as “bad guy Kusunobei.” There’s no reason to avoid that term.

>>134

There have been people who misunderstand like this since ancient times.

A scholar who was conducting research normally before the war was often berated with complaints like, “How can you call the great figure of Kōbō Daishi a villain?”

>>103

It’s true that the peak of the evaluation was during the war, but is it still talked about negatively now?

>>103

Masashige Kusunoki has been popular since the Edo period.

The Sea God and the Mountain God

In the first place, Yama Sakuhiko is bad… but then…

Everyone is on Yamawaki’s side, it’s terrible.

Iemitsu

>>107

Isn’t Iemitsu your older brother?

>>115

It was a mistake by Hidetada.

>>107

Response from Suruga Dainagon.

If the nephew won against the uncle, then it is Emperor Julian.

I am aware of it.

It only demands a way of life that insists on ending one’s life in a temple.

In the past, there were so many enthusiastic fans that someone even sent a threatening letter to NHK upon hearing that Tetsuya Takeda would play the role of Masanari Kusunoki.

The only one who changed the course of history with a single battle in Japan is Masanari Kusunoki, which is remarkable.

>>101

Father who wants to have John inherit the land vs John who sided with the son.

I fought with my brother when Lionheart took over the country during the expedition.

So I’m fighting against both.

>>118

You should die!

If it’s John, then it’s unavoidable.

>>111

A man whose speed of bowing in apology is top-notch…

A mysterious countryside old man snatches everything away in the rose war.

I have an impression that my younger brother might be winning more overseas.

Li Shimin

It’s a simple matter; there are more younger brothers, and if there wasn’t a culture of “the eldest son inherits,” then the younger brothers would likely have a higher winning rate.

The superiority or inferiority of warrior brothers isn’t based solely on the order of their birth.

Indeed, Yoshitsune was born later than Naoharu, but he is a far superior existence.

Just because he is the legitimate son, doesn’t mean HideTada isn’t fighting with his brothers.

But what if the heart is a camphor tree?

>>132

That’s already Yoshimitsu, isn’t it?

King of the Null Lands…

Without modern values, I couldn’t really understand why there was so much insistence on Chotohi.

>>136

It was bad that I resembled my real parents too much.

>>136

Well, to be honest, it’s suspicious to suddenly treat a self-proclaimed foster child who just popped up from around there so generously.

There is no doubt that he is a villain.

>>137

Aren’t the Hojo vassals the mainstream now?

>>161

Most of the activities before the Kamakura collapse were those of armed forces that did not obey the shogunate’s orders, and since they were pursued as the bandit Kusunobe Zuiei, they were perceived as bandits at that time.

>>161

The basis for the one-line theory of the Kusanoki clan, which states “there is no place name Kusanoki in Kawachi Province, but there is one in Suruga Province,” is being shaken by the suggestion that “there is a place named Kusanoki in a minor subdivision of Minamikawachi District.”

>>179

I really don’t have much knowledge about this area, but if it’s a fact that such place names still exist in modern times, isn’t it obvious that during the Muromachi period, the Kusunoki clan had control over that area? Wouldn’t it just be dismissed as common sense?

It’s mostly Yoritomo who is respected by the samurai warlords, while Takauji has basically had no popularity since the Muromachi period.

>>138

Rather, there are descendants who have a direct subordinate relationship to Yoshitsune.

Which one is the older brother, Abel or Cain?

>>140

The one who killed my younger brother

Since Shijaku’s clan has nearly been completely wiped out, there won’t be any future evaluations to raise their status.

Masashige Kusunoki was praised by both enemies and allies of his time, elevated as an exceptional military strategist by the Sengoku era warlords, and highlighted as the protagonist of stories by people in the Edo period.

From the late Edo period, the way of elevating became ideological.

Although the person is in no way at fault, they have become someone who shouldn’t be touched with the end of the war.

>>146

Too popular…

Having both the attributes of rising to success and loyalty makes Kusunoki Masashige too strong.

It’s quite grotesque that Masashige Kusunoki, who conquered the chaotic world with his excellent thinking ability, has been reduced to a symbol of thoughtlessness.

Even Ashikaga Yoshimitsu has a heart just like Kusunoki Masashige, right?

What you are actually doing is being a traitor.

No matter the time, my heart is like Masanari Kusunoki.

Naka Fuyu should have been known as a child of Yoshimitsu, considering various factors.

It’s just strange to bring that out at that timing.

>>154

Isn’t it a counter to Master Tada?

>>157

Chikuto won’t actually serve as a counter to Shinao.

>>157

Isn’t it just giving an excuse for exclusion that younger brother is trying to break the house?

>>154

The reason is, of course, modern humanism.

The Kusunoki family’s kids are really impressive.

>>155

In the end, regardless of their short lives, Masanori was one of the main characters of the latter half of the Northern and Southern Dynasties.

>>155

They’re really strong, and they kept going back and forth between North and South to try to reach a reconciliation.

Due to going back and forth, the son, who was disliked by the national scholar, received a sad treatment.

There’s no doubt you take after your parents, Naofuyu…

The time when Masanari Kusunoki wasn’t popular was probably around the post-war period.

I wonder if Kusunoki-san is a retained vassal of the Tokuso or just a local old man from Kawachi; I don’t even know who this old man is, yet he’s incredibly strong.

Isn’t there a lot of winter, whether it’s called “Chokuto” or “Shitoto”?

The ultimate winner of this era could be said to be the daughter-ntr (netorare) Bansara Uncle?

>>164

That guy, despite not being very strong in battle, is working hard and suffering while watching his brother and son die.

The history section of Wikipedia can be hard to follow if you don’t know the people, and you might end up skimming over who did what.

When they connect with the fleeing youth, the part about Ashikaga Naoie’s Kanno Disturbance has become so chaotic that it’s starting to get interesting.

Perhaps there won’t be much depth, but they’re actually an incredibly amazing elf…

>>169

Descendants have split into three factions and have been in conflict for about a century…

I mentioned it last time, but since there’s a position for Yoshinori-kun, if I acknowledge it too much…

>>170

So easily.

Trimming off

Can it be done?

Masashige Kusunoki is honestly someone I only know well as a history enthusiast right now.

It’s hardly even in the textbook.

The idea of a younger brother adopting the child of his older brother carries a noble and beautiful sentiment.

For Masaharu, a nuclear landmine is also a good place.

>>176

No matter how you think about it, it feels like you’re considering rebellion, right?

The way the Ottoman Empire’s relatives were confined in a negative sense is crazy.

Well, that’s why an emperor with a mental illness ends up ascending to the throne.

I can only think that standing up at that timing is aiming for a rebellion.

Harun al-Rashid is also a brother.

Mysterious eldest son!

The third son who went back and forth during the Northern and Southern Dynasties!

There’s not much record of the second son!

I don’t know anything about history.

“Did the emperor of the Northern Court, who was looked down upon to the extent of being called ‘a dog or a clinic,’ not join forces with the Southern Court to declare a truce and kill Ashikaga?”

>>187

Because there is no centripetal force.

>>187

The Ashikaga brothers, Takauji and Tadayoshi, who supported the Northern Court, abandoned the Northern Court and joined the Southern Court.

>>187

Thanks to Ashikaga, those who ousted the Southern Court and became the Northern Court are now joining the Southern Court with what face?

To be honest, from Ashikaga’s perspective, Naofuyu is at a level where it’s not particularly problematic to completely ignore his existence.

After all, being picked up in the south won’t change anything, and it will just create chaos in the house.

>>188

If you just want to keep it close at hand, there’s no point for the direct heir to adopt anyone himself.

It’s not even an excuse for exclusion.

There’s not just smoke where there is no fire, we’re starting a campfire instead!

The problem is that “Shichi-sei Hōkoku” is just too cool.

“Villains” are usually antisocial people, right?

It’s not normally used in a positive context in historical materials.

What if the heart is like Masaki Kusunoki?

Hey!

If I change the heir now, my legitimate wife from the Hojo family will be in a precarious position!

Takanori is strange, but regarding the various actions in Naoharu, about 90% of the blame falls on Naoyoshi.

It doesn’t mean bad guys in the literal sense of the word “bad.”

Up Down

It was used derogatorily in the materials of that time, so isn’t it just the literal meaning of the words?

It gives the impression of being endlessly repetitive; the debate on the definition of a villain.

If you’re thinking about rebellion, that’s a no-go.

If you’re going to do something like that without even considering a rebellion, then that’s even worse.