
People who haven’t played the Switch generation?
>>1I think the thread image is just an example of what is becoming insufficient.
The one that suppresses the AC the most is Goriander with a 60.
There’s nothing as blatant as a level like 50 or 40.
>>3I’m troubled when suddenly a mysterious indicator like “blatant level” is brought up.
If we go back to the original discussion, the total base stats are nothing but a mass of deception.
>>4No, it is not deception at all.
>>4I don’t understand.
>>4I don’t really understand what you’re saying.
It’s not so much a problem of battle balance, but since the starter Pokémon are used with high probability in travel parties, if you lean too much towards one side in the game, it could make traveling difficult.
I really like Asireine and Emperto’s action moves.
There are likely many people in the group that only consume Pokémon as an RPG who have no understanding of damage calculation formulas.
The explanation in the game is somewhat lacking.
I think it’s unfair that while my peers Gaen and Ashile are quite AC-biased, this guy is just being flattened out.
You know that you’re the weakest in terms of typing, and you’re making it even weaker, right?
A107C100 has too much waste.
>>11It looks like it would have been strong if it were A147C60.
>>46You’re strong!
Well, if the others are fixed, it might not be the case.
>>46It should get quite a bit better.
A type with many weaknesses becomes useless, as they can suddenly be taken down in one hit when the journey reaches its climax.
The thread image’s special move is also pretty lame…
>>14Then give it to Dragapult.
>>14I wouldn’t say it’s salty, but I think it doesn’t match the thread image.
Even though it’s C100, it doesn’t remember any special moves at all.
>>15Aren’t the skills rather at a level where all the matching techniques are fully equipped?
The sub only has flight.
>>22It seems that the only move that can be used as a level move is Leaf Storm.
In the first place, there aren’t many Pokémon that are cut short even if they are not from the prestigious three families.
Leaf Storm
Shadow Ball
There are special techniques, but whether to use them is questionable.
I wonder why they made this guy so obviously weak…
Isn’t there a child with a disability?
>>23You probably weren’t taught by your parents, but it’s better not to talk too much about disabilities.
It’s hard to believe that there are still people who can’t even gather matching techniques these days… I think.
Well, I don’t want to say that the physical dragapult is all set as above.
Huh? Were you talking about level-up moves when you said “I don’t remember”?
Could it be that we’re not understanding each other…?
It looks like they are just wasting their C to make it weaker.
The two synchronized companions are strong to a certain extent, so I wonder why there is such a disparity between them.
Considering the circumstances of the trip, Juniper doesn’t have any special moves at all.
I don’t feel the need to specifically divide it into dual wields.
>>32Well, if you just look at the level-up moves, that’s true, but since TMs can be used anywhere during the journey, it can’t be that simple.
Especially beginners might use techniques they don’t understand with the TM without knowing.
Remote things tend to rot if they are special.
It’s not like that in physics either.
I chose Tepig in BW2, but I wondered whether to send this one to the box…?
Remote technology also has non-contact enhancements…
I still think Pokabu is pretty good.
The Decidueye in Legends was amazing.
>>37Why is Drednaw stronger than the same type… why…
I think the lower AC should be at least around 70…
Recently, I’ve been deceiving by distributing strong traits and skills, but…
The recent three major families are strong and good, aren’t they?
The SV is a bit too strong…
Even though A<C, I hope Sceptile, which has more physical techniques, gets a reevaluation.
If you’re just occasionally lifting in basic physics, having C80 is enough, so cut that and allocate it to S…
The total base stats being a deception, or rather, wanting to talk only about the total base stats is a deception.
>>42“The Three Great Houses all have the same total species and are equal!” That’s what they present with a face like that, because it’s official…
Well, the total is just for decoration, so it doesn’t have to be the same value…
>>43Was there ever a generation like this?
Watching Wanida, I realize that there are limits to compensating through distribution.
>>44I think so too.
If only it could somehow manage with its abilities or type like a similar AC Bakuda…
>>48Isn’t that guy not doing well?
>>51I thought they might have wanted to mention Blaziken since it’s a thread about the three main families, but Blaziken isn’t really that great either…
I feel like it’s a bad thing that the usual ability is fixed for the starter Pokémon and there is no second ability.
If the Dream Abilities are underwhelming like Juniper or Inteleon, it’s game over.
I don’t think Inteleon is weak just because it has no personality; it’s not strong either, though.
This guy is clearly weak.
Kagenui is really strong.
>>56I wonder if I can trap the original type Gachiguma.
>>60There is something called type compatibility.
If you’re going to bring out a lot of grass spirits, at least differentiate them more.
Well, there’s talk about a lot of competition for water, but that’s a problem before that.
I think the biggest problem with Inteleon is not its ability, but rather that it has had its Focus Energy removed for some reason…
The Inteleon from Sword and Shield was thriving with its intense personality.
SV? It’s weak; it’s amazing how weak it is with that distribution. There’s just no skill.
The jade side also has three strong arrows.
I don’t know the main body.
>>62The guts are strong.
But among the Alola starter Pokémon, this one made the best use of the Z-Stone…
The latest Loudbone at A75 and the Gorilla at C60 definitely feel excessive.
>>64But this guy’s special move is bugged, so the stats that aren’t used are basically just for show, you know?
As for whether the low-speed grass attackers trio was strong…
Defeating the Rumpappa that has been lingering around with a preemptive headband Udohan.
It was fun to use a scarf to knock down Goukazaru with an earthquake.
When asked if it’s easy to use, I would say yes.
I love the lavishness of the three arrows.
Inteleon should learn from the agility of Weezing.
>>68That guy has a rival who has been there since the moment he was born, and once the legendary Pokémon are allowed, a water stream spammer will emerge…
The three arrows themselves are strong, but it’s not like I can shoot them from above as an S, and I don’t have the luxury to shoot them multiple times, which feels inconsistent.
>>70Let’s give it a try with a power boost baton.
>>70I think there are aspects that suggest I was able to receive it precisely because of that.
If Juniper had the ability to shoot from above or had a performance where it could shoot multiple times, it probably wouldn’t have received the three arrows with that performance.
>>70It feels like I’m allowed to have that precisely because I can’t do it without preparation.
I can’t do it even with guts.
Basically, in travel parties, since we want to reduce the hassle of healing and restocking, if we can’t overwhelm the enemy with level and speed, it becomes significantly less convenient to use.
I thought banana was slow, but it’s actually quite fast.
>>72It’s fairly quick without the chlorophyll boost.
Well, it’s at the higher end of the medium speed range.
>>77It’s fun to adjust because there are Gyarados just above.
The Wēnibar isn’t being used at all, but it’s not the Wēnibar’s fault, so it’s whatever… kind of feeling.
>>78Overconfidence and Aqua Step are undoubtedly a perfect match, but the environment…
If Mascarena had three arrows, it would have been a damn cat.
No, Trifla was definitely a shitty cat too.
The water three houses, Swampert in physical form and Primarina in special form, still feel like the two strong contenders.
>>81These guys are excellent in terms of their type, after all.
>>81Despite being the first generation, the turtle has never been outstanding.
“Not ‘weak,’ but ‘unremarkable.'”
>>83Well, since I’m getting it from the thorny bush, it’s good enough.
Inteleon is pretty much an orthodox special type and easy to handle, right?
That’s all there is.
>>86I hate to say it, but this isn’t really a fun performance to use…
Just hit from above.
>>93The concept is to add a spirit of determination there…
I thought so…
The turtle really feels like it’s trying to manage things like being tricked by a cat or getting splashed.
The various support moves that come after the rise of Aksute S, and the way it activates overconfidence whenever there’s a gap, should have been called out as ridiculous if it weren’t for SV.
I’m not asking for luxury or the strongest.
At least make sure that the Three Great Houses have a performance that isn’t weak…
>>89Well, the current situation has improved, so it’s pointless to talk about things from over ten years ago.
Blastoise is actually something that has managed to get by, right?
The competitive environment aside, I think the travel team, including GBA, is generally beginner-friendly and not too harsh, so I don’t think it’s that unfortunate.
Considering that there are some tough characters among the historical Three Families not just in battles but also in journeys,
It probably won’t be a problem as long as it’s not something too tough like a journey similar to Chikorita.
In a battle, unlike in a journey, a single Sharitatsu is probably stronger than Inteleon.
Chikorita has to face its weak types right at the beginning when there are so few options…
>>96I learned Leaf Cutter at a low level and thought, “With this, I can be invincible!” but I was really disappointed because that wasn’t the case at all.
I’m looking forward to seeing what happens with the three main families of ZA.
[Grass type (Usage rate in Regigigas H / Highest rank)]
Mascarnya 5th place / 1st place (Regi H)
Jalorda 32nd / 3rd (Regi F)
Gorilander 40th / 5th (Regulation G)
Venusaur 96th / 59th (Regular G)
H Juniper 105th / 142nd (Regular H)
Dodaitose 132nd / 162nd (Regular H)
Brigalon Out of range / Rank 114 (Regi D)
Junaiper Out of range / 149th place (Reg D)
Jukain Outside the rankings / 266th place (Regular G)
Meganium Outside the top / Rank 371 (Reg G)
I think Inteleon was thinking that even if it was left with its HP low, it wouldn’t be able to take a hit.
[Water Type (Regular H Usage Rate / Highest Rank)]
Asireen 7th place / 1st place (Regular H)
Lagaridge 48th / 1st (Regi H)
Gekkouga 55th / 72nd (Regular G)
Weenibal 65th / 2nd (Reg A)
H Daikenki 67th / 15th (Regi H)
Empoleon 118th / 182nd (Regi E)
Blastoise 138th / –
Orderil Out of range / 266th place (Regi G)
Inteleon Outside the range / Rank 71 (Regulation H)
Dai Kenki Out of range / –
>>101Ordinary
Until the gorilla arrived, I was feeling a chronic atmosphere of “What should we do about the three traveling grass families…?”
Thank you, Gorilla.
Thank you, female cat.
Wasn’t Greninja’s usage rate really high right after it was released?
Everyone quickly noticed the awkwardness and disappeared.
Detailed rankings change frequently, so even if you post the rankings from a temporary season…
>>106It’s just that it shows the current rank and the highest rank reached so far, and it’s not asking you to infer anything from that.
>>106Since the right side is the highest rank, even those with “ー” there are…
>>106del
Blastoise shone by winning the juniors at the last WCS of Sword and Shield.
When it’s said that the place where I was active is hard to look at, yeah.
The water unit has beautifully settled down at the bottom.
[Fire type (Usage rate / Highest rank)]
Loudborn 17th place / 2nd place (Reg A・H)
Blaziken 30th place / 1st place (Regulatory H)
Cinderace 38th / 4th (Regular H)
Incineroar 43rd / 5th (Regulation G)
H Bakufun 76th / 140th (Regular H)
Charizard 93rd / 186th (Regulatory H)
Goukazaru 98th place / 65th place (Regular H)
Mafokushi 116th / 207th (Reg H)
Bakufuun Outside the range / 82nd place (Regi F)
Emboar Out of range / –
>>109Save him.
The water deck only has the image of being too strong for rivals.
>>110In the Water Monarchy trip, it’s normally strong.
We are different from the bottom dwellers who are dead even in travel.
I think that even if I line them up with my own idea of strength, it’s not like this.
In this case, while the allocation leaning towards dual-wielding is acceptable, having low HP durability and a halfway S70 is just too much.
You can only use either the original or the jade, and the fact that everyone is ranked with jade means…
I guess it means that there’s some support for Jade, at least…
>>117I definitely think that jade has that aspect.
We will completely ignore the opinion that we should save the original species.
>>121Even if I’m told to save them, just making a few adjustments to their skills, traits, or base stats doesn’t really guarantee that they’ll be saved—there are many that are still a bit iffy.
>>121If anything, in the region, when choosing a party, they are treated as equivalent to original species Pokémon.
The existence of regions is what most undermines the value of the original species.
>>117At least it has interesting performance.
Instead of widening, it’s amusing that Blaziken has become even more likely to unleash scarf eruptions.
I don’t think anyone would complain if the Three Houses were around 550.
When it comes to travel stories, the unfortunate thing about Chikorita is that most of its easily accessible types have already been processed in Kanto.
Bakphoon and Daikenki are actually stronger than their appearance suggests, Hisui.
Junaiper is nothing more than a three-arrow machine no matter how far it goes.
>>123It’s okay, because the three-boned guy is strong, so become the three-boned guy machine.
So what should I do to be right? There are plenty of half-hearted people too.
>>130Knowing what to do is a significant advantage, isn’t it?
Problem of having too many fire type fighters.
I feel like the Water-only team of the Three Great Houses has straightforward attackers besides Kame, but in that direction, having a single type probably isn’t that great.
>>127A pure type almost never wins against a dual type.
The few exceptions are when the type itself has few weaknesses and the base stats are high (especially when durability is high).
This type has few weaknesses and high base stats, allowing it to withstand and counterattack or endure the opponent’s attacks easily.
Yes, that’s basically about Heirassha.
>>136Is there still someone saying this?
>>142Are you the type that only reads up to the first line of long texts?
>>145I thought it was unusual to specifically mention the strong single-type “exceptions” that are overflowing, as stated in that long text.
>>148It’s being used as an exception, but there are actually many more of the non-exception single types…
>>149I feel that it’s probably stronger to change that single type to a dual type.
>>148I wonder if they were there…?
Pardea seems to be that way, but the Hoenn starter trio also has a surprisingly high average.
>>128Jukain, huh?
If I could master Sceptile, it would be really cool, but it’s a bit tough.
>>128I checked again, and it’s sad to see that only one of the two is feeling down.
After all, H Bakufun is basically an eruption machine.
The fact that it can use unified Shadow Ball makes it much better than the original species, H Typhlosion.
Being able to nullify multiple priority moves with Ghost is impressive too.
Maybe Game Freak is thinking, “Ugh, it’s annoying to hear complaints about past Pokémon now.”
I see through you.
I’m serious, it’s tough.
Jukain has the ability to perform strong moves and has a tail cut and acrobatics, so regardless of whether it’s strong or not, it has its own characteristics.
>>140Despite being able to do various things, for some reason that guy doesn’t connect to strength.
Heirascha did something horrible to Suicune, didn’t he?
Well, it’s fine, that kind of guy.
I love Macho Men like Swampert, who continues to fight with physical strength and technique even though they can’t get strong traits.
My partner since childhood.
>>144I’m glad I was able to master the Kuitan…
I think it’s a fact that for attackers, having a combination is generally more favorable.
Although it’s mentioned together, from the perspective of defense, there are few weaknesses in a single type, which can also be a strength.
It is certainly true that being sharp doesn’t necessarily mean it has a good travel usability.
Both swords shall perish.
>>150Being fragile and extremely slow can be quite troublesome even on a journey.
In other words, both swords should perish.
The thread image is like, strong in Pokkén…
Lagrange is impressive for learning Rock Throw and Rock Slide through level-up moves.
Just by compensating for leveling the ground with a technical machine, it can serve as a main force in your journey.
Water techniques will have to wait until waterfall climbing or aqua break.
The categorization of “composite type” and “simple type” is too broad, and it’s impossible to make a straightforward strength comparison between the two.
I think the usability of a travel companion depends more on the moves they can learn than on their base stats.
>>156The one that learns “Tsubasa de Utsu” early on is too strong!
>>156Mukuhawk, who learns high-power moves with a lot of PP quickly and remembers Brave Bird in the late game, is definitely strong.
>>156It’s really tough at the beginning if the normal attack can’t guarantee a 2-hit combo with the same power skills, right?
You can only spit out a bubble of yourself, Piplup.
>>185It’s too tough to rely on Bubble Beam as my main move until I learn Surf.
I keep remembering only physics.
>>187It’s good to have a bridging bubble.
What does it mean that it evolves into Pottai-shi and learns at level 26? That’s too slow!
>>185We should be able to handle the certain level 2 if it’s a wild one with a level difference.
Well, in a situation where other starter Pokémon with a power of 40 or higher can definitely take one hit…
I think appearance is also important when it comes to the three main families, oink.
What was the evaluation of Blaziken in the battle environment before the introduction of hidden abilities?
I wonder if it was able to distinguish itself from the other three starter monkeys of the same type.
>>162It was rated as “If you’re going to use a carriage, a monkey would be just fine.”
Accelerating to “If you’re using monkeys, a carriage is fine” reversed the situation.
>>162I have a vivid memory of seeing countless discussions about how it should be fine with just monkeys when they appeared.
The spread of the internet might have something to do with that.
>>162Although it has more firepower than Monferno, it feels like if you’re going to choose this over one with faster speed, you might as well use another higher-power Fire type instead.
>>162It’s the heyday of Kyogre, after all.
Even so, in the environment at the time, it wasn’t considered weak because it had the second highest base stats after Manda, and the separation of physical and special types was good for its complementary role.
>>162It was called a degradation of monkeys, rather than differentiation.
It’s mentioned from the start, but for Pokémon like Cresselia and Heiriyarsha that are defensive types, having a single type can sometimes be beneficial as it doesn’t add strange weaknesses.
What types are currently being used in the environment?
Salt, rasha, and gorilla…
If you start saying that adding types makes you stronger, then it just becomes a matter of saying that if you add a convenient type, of course, it would be stronger…
Well, if Kyogre was a Rock Ghost, it would have been stronger.
I think it was tough that there were no fighting games equivalent to Infa until around Platinum for the carriage.
>>169That’s something that can’t be helped since the Infas have been around since the Diamond and Pearl generation.
>>169The knees are from BW and the infas are from Sword and Shield.
It was a ridiculous amount of strength.
>>175At the beginning of Diamond and Pearl, there shouldn’t have been even those two.
Regardless of reception, I feel that attackers don’t particularly have the strength of single types.
For example, I think Coridon was stronger without its Dragon type.
The monkeys no longer resemble the glory of their past performances.
Both firepower, durability, and speed have become completely inflated.
>>176The strength of the monkey was based on the premise that not everyone is using ideal specimens.
It feels like we’ve reached a point where we can easily create ideal specimens.
>>176Since singles are no longer possible, I have no choice but to seek a breakthrough in doubles.
There is a perspective that the firepower of the珠前提 monkey has been insufficient since that time.
>>179At that time, it wasn’t a tasuki.
Has there ever been a time when Emboar was active enough to be a topic of conversation?
I’ve only heard something about memorizing boiling water.
>>181It’s just okay for a trip.
In a match, there’s some skill, but it’s not enough to be called a significant performance.
If you don’t expect a pure attacker, it’s totally doable, Monkey.
You have some strange skills.
It’s a teaching technique, that’s why it’s called “stupid strength”.
Has any information come out about what will happen to the Three Families in AZ?
Three animals from different generations were shown.
>>189Chikorita, Totodile, and Cyndaquil became one.
>>193Well…
>>196Well, they’re the perfect candidates for salvation with regions and megas.
>>199I see, there are things like that in Legends too.
Maybe I’ll choose Chikorita again after several years, even though Hayate did something terrible to it.
There isn’t another starter Pokémon whose evaluation changes 180 degrees in travel and battles like Serperior.
>>190Just having speed and decent durability makes it too round, and the range is also narrow.
The main focus on the amanojaku and the snake-eyed creature occupies too much of the overall performance, and it’s not about acquiring inner strength.
>>190It was adjusted with too much of a contrarian premise.
Even so, if it’s a physical type, it can use things like Giga Drain, so it’s much better than Meganium.
>>200Also, in BW there is a gym leader whose weakness is grass.
Emboar has often been talked about as primarily a Fire/Fighting type, even more than its standalone specs, and I remember saying that myself.
>>191Well, that was a bad flow…
>>191I thought they would differentiate by focusing on durability, but it seems that’s not the case.
Goukazaru is said to be as strong as Garchomp under a mysterious rule called “Generation 4 Single 66,” which was apparently popular at the time.
However, I’ve never seen anyone doing Singles 66 at past game tournaments, so I’m not really sure what it’s like in reality.
>>198First, having five targets makes the return flight strong.
The sweeper performance of Scarf Fredline Fa is also high when exhausted from cycling.
For similar reasons, Haxorus is also strong.
Buo seems to have received a dual-edge thanks to its desperate efforts, even though it’s not a rock.
Although unexpected moves were added to genetic techniques, the traits and skills are quite favorable.
The type holds me back in various ways…