Don’t stop, Gato!
Gato! Don’t worry! For the sake of Zeon’s ideals!
>>2Your Excellency…! My heart has been cleansed…!
What was the original ideal of Zeon again?
I’ve already got the autonomy, so… it’s like that.
>>2
What is the ideal of Zeon, to begin with?
If you’re referring to sovereign states of space noids and space colonies that are not dependent on the Space Federation, then the Jupiter Republic might fit that description, right?
>>4That place is not somewhere humans should live.
>>111That casual remark made Dougaichi decide on a nuclear attack.
>>4Break the corrupt Earth Federation and dominate the inferior Earthlings.
Is it correct to say that Zeon’s ideal is Gihren’s ideal? It seems like it would turn into a shitty world.
>>5If it’s Ghiren’s ideal, then it’s an ideal dystopian society, right?
>>8Moreover, the increased population is not a world of abandoned people but one that physically thins out.
Well, if you look at it from a broader perspective, following Lord Delars is certainly the right choice…
The ideal of Zeon is ultimately about the people from Side 3 establishing a military state.
Even if it is accomplished on the other side, it would only be frustrating.
It’s not very well known, but at the very beginning of the OVA, Gato isn’t really enthusiastic about it.
Gion is the best!
It seems that Gato is just really serious and if he could have returned to his home country, he would have probably done well as part of the national defense force.
Don’t involve promising young people in a cult, you bald!
>>13That’s what the Zeon remnants are all about, right everyone?
I mean, it’s suspicious from the very first stage of geonism, right?
>>16(For some reason, the Zeon guy collapsed from stress…)
>>19That’s an origin setting, so don’t get it mixed up.
>>20Was it really the kind of mental strain that would cause me to worry about becoming a cult?
>>355In Origin, it feels like a real radical agitator style.
After all, he is a deserter who betrayed Zeon, so isn’t he not even Zeon…?
>>14The ones who betrayed us are the traitors calling themselves the Republic! Uooohhhh! We are the true Zeon! That’s what the remnants are saying!
>>14The republic that has become a puppet state of the federation is definitely the traitor.
Are you kidding me?
In the first place, it was the people of Zeon who fervently supported Gihren’s promoted eugenics ideology and established the dictatorship.
It can be said that the society in which the superior race of the Zeon people dominates other space inhabitants and Earth inhabitants to manage the universe is akin to the ideal of the Zeon people.
>>15Giren thinks that if the population is around several tens of millions, then even with a complete victory for Zeon, the population of Zeon exceeds 100 million, so the citizens of Zeon are also subject to population control.
>>90That’s why Gihren is only using propaganda; he doesn’t believe in the superiority of Zeon or the space noids at all.
Well, they might have thought that if they win, they would expel all humans from Earth and turn everyone into aliens, so it wouldn’t make a difference in that regard.
>>90At that moment, Degwin was not only disheartened by the successive deaths of his sons while trying to negotiate peace, but also had a fear that if he entrusted the war to Gihren afterward, it would lead to something far worse than just the victory or defeat of the Principality of Zeon.
I don’t think it would particularly get worse even if it turned into Gihren’s world, as the federation’s governance is garbage anyway.
>>21Regardless of whether it’s good or bad, the change is extremely significant.
The goal is a significant reduction in population and the realization of a managed society by a select elite, so in the end, it will become something entirely different from the existing society.
>>26It seems that things haven’t changed because they can’t just do as they please within the Zabii family due to political struggles.
>>21Well, it seems like even if it’s under Giren’s rule, humanity’s management and control will just become messy without any proper oversight when I look at the Zieg Axe.
>>27The Zegakus world is in a tug-of-war between Kshiria and Gilen, so it is under neither of their governance.
>>27Can something be suddenly changed in about five years after the war?
Could it be that Dallow’s in trouble?
>>22Well, it’s something that everyone agrees on that the Delares are really something…
The Republic of Zeon is forced to abandon its autonomy.
There’s a chance that Axis will temporarily dominate Earth.
The Universal Century continued to be engulfed in warfare and ultimately collapsed, leading to the worlds of Turn A and G-Reco.
It’s not a cult or anything.
First, while we do need a front, we shouldn’t wage war with a large subject.
>>25When waging war, you have to make the subject bigger to gather people together…
What’s bothersome is that those who hold military power are treating the ideology promoted by Zeon and the ideals put forth by the Zabi family, as well as the later thoughts of Zeon and Space Noids, as if they are the same thing, even though they are fundamentally different.
Delares isn’t that bad.
It’s not uncommon for groups to come out saying “It’s good that we reached a favorable peace and that we developed after the war,” but more than that, it’s about winning or losing!
I wonder what Delars from the Zik Axes world is doing…
>>36I’m not around Giran happily being a follower.
>>36It seems like they’re progressing in their career normally.
In the first place, regardless of the cake, Dulles doesn’t care about whether Zeon won or lost; his dry ideology is more about delivering the final blow to the Federation for the future of the spacenoids.
>>37Huh? You were planning to drop a colony on the moon and kill me and my family?
>>37The result is the Titans… it’s clearly a bad move.
>>51No, no.
Delaz was reading until the Titans appeared.
On top of that, the Titans were only beneficial for the entire Space Noid community.
>>55In the end, it’s because of the Titans that the Federal Army has become difficult to take a hardline stance.
I’ve become stuck between the Rondo Bell, the government, and the colonies, making it hard to move.
>>51The emergence of the Titans led to a loss of credibility for the Federation and a collaboration among the space inhabitants, resulting in the worst outcome for the Federation and the best outcome for the space inhabitants.
>>58It feels like saying this makes you a newcomer, especially with events like the 30-bunch incident.
The Delaz Fleet is just saying that the Republic is not Zeon and that we are the legitimate ones!!!
>>38Well, a republic that has given up its autonomy isn’t Zeon, right?
I wonder what Lady Seema from the Ziegax world is doing.
>>42In that world, they probably still used the British operation’s poison gas, so that hasn’t changed…
Don’t worry, Gato! Everyone back home is a traitor, Gato! We have the righteous cause on our side, Gato!
>>43Stop it! Don’t involve Gato!
>>45Gato was not a person who committed terrorism!
Are there any side characters existing in the Gikax world in the first place?
>>44Although side characters don’t appear, I think they are somewhat incorporating elements from Pokémon Wars.
Before long, they might also bring out Shiko from the official history world.
I will tamper with anything that can be manipulated for the sake of being topical.
It is justified to think that the end of a battle that resulted in countless sacrifices should not be like this.
>>49Since we lost, this is how it is…
>>49It was Gihren who imposed the sacrifices!
>>49Most of those sacrifices were caused by Zeon people massacring their fellow space colonists…
>>49The fact that you guys can refer to the deaths as sacrifices is just too much for me.
I’m sure that while the character of Zeke Axus may not be a terrorist, they are probably suffering from something.
I can’t imagine this person living their life carefree at all.
(It’s the usual person here…)
What is it that there are side story characters existing?
Don’t say it like side characters disappear when they leave the side story.
It’s fine if Gato is angry about the unchanged world despite Zeon’s victory and joins the AEUG.
>>60It looks like he’s drinking and getting drunk with a beard at a rundown bar.
>>60Because they don’t think for themselves, they seem likely to be easily influenced.
The pilot’s skills are reliable, so they are a useful character.
Speaking of which, I wonder what kind of work the people around here do in the Zeke Axis world.
>>61It seems that troublesome soldiers like Gaia have been let go.
A person with a strong sense of self-assertion is unleashed into the wild.
It seems that only obedient people will remain.
>>80It seems that many people from the post-war generation and Sodon crew are quite good at listening.
Since the Spacenoids, or rather Zeon, act quite possessively, it’s unlikely that Gato would change, right?
>>66I was surprised to see that there are several areas of Zeon influence on Earth.
The weakening of the federation is significant.
As expected, the later Universal Century was all within the palm of DeLa’s hundred-year plan! Isn’t that a bit too much DeLa’s fleet?
>>67That’s just how it was designed in the first place, right?
>>71What 0083 depicts is why groups like the Titans are acting so brazenly? Isn’t it because a massive scale of terrorism has occurred…?
Even if it’s true that the existing system must change in some way,
Is it really justified to kill 4 billion people as a means to that end?
>>68Well, don’t worry about it.
The upper echelons of this world all want to decrease the population.
>>72The population in this world is increasing too quickly!
In the end, Dozle is dead, and Gato’s accomplishments are only from the Solomon battle.
It seems like something similar to the former Three Stars after the war.
>>69It seems like the reason why the Triple Star was targeted by Makube is because of their weak connection with Gato, which is questionable.
>>69If he had turned things around from there and successfully executed the Solomon withdrawal based on the true history, then Gato would be a great hero.
The federation of the Zekaxis world is worse than I expected!
Well, Psycho is weak.
I wonder if someone who has been complaining for about three years is really thinking that far ahead, like 100 years into the future…
>>75Character I’m thinking about.
Although it seems like Char is just adapting to each situation on the fly, he is treated as a character who is actually thinking things through.
>>75You endured for three years, but it wasn’t that you couldn’t stand it any longer and then decided to rise up; instead, you were preparing for three years with the premise of rising up, right?
There are a few kids who just want to see characters they dislike fall from grace.
>>81The binary stars have fallen into disgrace.
In other words, there are many people who are basically down on their luck.
It’s probably about as much as Mr. Green has become a winner.
>>96The top winner is McBee, right?
>>102I want to see a reversal trial in Ms. Ma’s military court.
If it’s Zeke Ax, he seems serious and is probably worried about whether to leave the military or is working as an instructor in the homeland.
The Zeke Axis world is just using nan_skin armor on buildings.
Char is the type of character who thinks about nothing at all and says he’s leaving the future to the true Newtypes.
I wonder how Zuda is doing in the Zeke Axis world.
>>87Since MS14-kun is not here, there’s no propaganda to use, so it stopped at the one that lost to Zaku before the war.
From Gihren’s perspective, his followers might be easy to use, but was Gato originally a follower of Gihren?
>>88Although they are organizationally part of the Dozle faction, sticking with Delaz might mean they are believers in Gihren.
Dozle also likes Giren.
…Could it be that I should belong to the Zeon Republic’s National Defense Force instead of getting involved in the theft of a Gundam…?
>>92Yes
The hero of Zeon in the world of Zeke Axes is Char Aznable, isn’t it?
It’s crazy how the politicians of Zeon managed to have their independence recognized even though they lost.
>>97It’s something formal to avoid stimulating Zeon too much, as they have been abandoned for decades.
>>109If you made your opponent think that way, isn’t that excellent?
Normally, even politicians who would have received support are being treated as criminals.
>>141Japan, where Emperor Showa remained emperor and a former Class A war criminal suspect could become prime minister, is not a normal country.
Whether it’s around the gate or not, it’s a fact that the enemy in episode 3 is also a former Zeon soldier, and it seems a lot of professional soldiers have been cut down.
>>101Well, after the war is over, we need you to live as a citizen…
It seems like they are secretly operating and carrying out terrorism in the Basque region and nearby areas under the Delaz Fleet.
>>103A Delafree without Gato and the Sigma Fleet is just like trash, isn’t it?
>>191I think it’s a bit concerning that about 80% of the strategy relies on you, Gato, doing your best.
>>201First, Gato successfully escapes by infiltrating and seizing the nuclear warhead and the Gundam while shaking off the enemy’s pursuit, then returns to space using an HLV through connections.
The Gato broke through a minor ally, a reef space, and interception forces to conduct a solo nuclear attack on the fleet review while evading interception and retreating.
Gato stayed in Noie for two days, defending the colony until the end, including facing Dendro.
While charging in with the Neue and crushing the enemy defense units one after another, I successfully destroyed the control ship of the solar system.
Lastly, Gato is also in charge of the orbital correction for the colony’s drop to North America.
>>233Overwork!!!
It seems like Makubeodessa has been taken away, so they are just managing to maintain their position and aren’t really that much of a winning group.
>>104Since you’ve become a lieutenant general and are entrusted with military tribunals, you’re not just maintaining your position but actually advancing in rank.
>>108He’s the commander who brought down Lunatwo.
>>119Moreover, the extraordinary strategy of deliberately conserving the trump card, the Sodon Unit, to successfully defend Granada.
>>124As expected, it’s the great commander Ma Kube…
>>126Uragan: “As expected of you, Ma Kube-sama (w)”
I wonder if I should become an instructor for the new recruits of the National Defense Force.
Wasn’t there also the option of joining Anaheim as a test pilot…?
>>106It seems like you are most fulfilled being a mentor and having the respect of your juniors.
Delaz is a talented, well-behaved bald man as long as Commander Giren is in control.
>>107Captain Gihren! Let’s drop some more colonies!
>>118Huh… let me think for a moment…
Dozul is so bad at politics that the entire faction seems to be eating cold rice, doesn’t it?
>>110Rather than being clumsy, didn’t they have no involvement in politics?
>>112Well, there’s also the story that I selfishly butted in and caused trouble.
>>112There is military budget allocation, so it’s not completely untouched, but other than that, yes.
Conversely, regarding the military, it was just Kiširia who intervened partway; the actual top of the Zeon space forces was originally Dozle.
>>110It’s like a yakuza who thinks they are standing shoulder to shoulder with politicians.
Gato seems to be protecting Mineva.
Given that the tide of war is changing, it’s not strange at all if someone dies in battle somewhere without anyone realizing it.
Because of Duller’s extremes, even Gato, who believes in him, tends to have his character questioned.
>>120It’s just that I don’t have my own thoughts, so I just leave it to others like a cog in a machine.
It would be great if I could be blessed with a good boss like in a cola commercial…
>>129Maybe it was about twice the duration of the One Year War that Delaz was my direct superior…
I really hate M, so if M is getting promoted, it doesn’t seem like the position of the D group will be good.
>>122After all, the fact that the Tri-Stars, who were part of the same faction as Kycilia and one of the heroes of Zeon, were personally disliked is the reason for that situation.
Macbeth used nuclear weapons to kill Revil in Odessa, right?
>>123Of course the Federation would also take down Solomon.
What Gihren is focused on is the survival of the human race, and the distinction between Space Noids and Earth Noids is merely a pretense.
Giren: “…Isn’t our faction a bit small?”
>>128Most of the military is entrusted to Kishiria and Dozul.
Is Gihren’s direct forces only located around the mainland?
The idea that “the battle is about numbers” is a stance that Ma Kube probably dislikes, which gives it a strange sense of persuasive power.
>>130That’s not necessarily the case.
If there’s a benefit to it, MacBeth is quite willing to accept persuading someone he doesn’t like.
>>134In other words, the battle of Dozle is actually quite compatible with the idea of numbers and the integration and maintenance plan of “Ma.”
The original war plan of Zeon was a short-term decisive strategy to settle the battles in space before the Antarctic Treaty negotiations, so right now, there is a conflict between Dozle, who is focused on wanting numbers immediately, and Ma, who is thinking about medium to long-term production.
Gato is also a young guy at 25 years old…
>>135During the One Year War, I was 21 years old and worked under Delaz for three years.
Well… I guess it turns out that way…
>>148Moreover, they are originally a pure or straightforward character.
If it gets in the hands of the bald guy, it’s a piece of cake.
Although the voice and face tend to give a certain impression, in reality, Gato doesn’t quite have a character that resembles Akio Otsuka’s voice acting.
>>136In reality, it’s not quite like that, but it’s Gatou who has created the continuing aura of Akio Otsuka with his voice, face, and performances.
>>136There are quite a few moments when I think he’s a sentimental and touchy guy.
Isn’t it more that Gihren has too few resources, and Kycillia just has been given too many special forces?
Both during and after the war, they have been exploited in various ways through side stories.
>>137Rather, the military has a pyramid structure, so there are few units directly under the supreme commander Giren, and it is natural for most people in the Giren faction to be assigned to units under the command of Kycilia or Dozul.
I thought that if there were no war, I could get along with Kou.
>>138Well then, shall we let Ko be the instructor?
>>147The boy who clings to me while saying, “Annabelle-senpai!”
>>149A boy who is good friends with his best friend Kelly.
Ma-san is a strategist and a knight who could hold his own against even the best. He’s a bit stuck in a rut, but he’s incredibly capable.
Men who sacrificed their lives to lower the federation’s food self-sufficiency rate and increase dependence on space.
I have found a place to die, so I suppose I am satisfied…
The Gato that identifies as a soldier of the Principality of Zeon died the moment he accepted Bage’s invitation.
Gato was originally part of the Dozul faction, and I don’t think he was particularly a follower of Gihren until he was influenced by the bald guy.
There, sprinkle in a pinch of purple.
“Ah hi” “I am your enemy!?”
I am a follower of the bald, but I am not a follower of Gihren.
If you take away the bald ideology, he’s just a good young warrior.
>>155It’s close to Barni, isn’t it?
>>155The one I met is Burnie.
It’s a cake because it’s bald.
Gato says he waited for 3 years, but the hideout is on the moon, and Nina is there, along with his friend Kelly.
Could it be that you were actually doing quite comfortably, huh?
>>156It seems like you’re living a better life than me.
>>156That’s why in the Ziek Axes world, I feel it’s just right that they’ve become somewhat unnecessary.
>>156Well, it doesn’t feel like a painful and suffering patience.
Compared to other remnants of Zeon, three years is quite weak in terms of patience.
>>156Many people misunderstand, but Gato was not lurking on the moon for three years.
The setting where they just hid on the moon for a while and disappeared in front of Nina three years ago.
The mystery of bald people’s brainwashing power is insane.
>>158A dignified appearance, a deep voice, and eloquent speech that conveys a good feeling.
If it’s not this much, it would probably be impossible for a group of defeated soldiers to hide for three years.
>>158A boss who is strict but has subordinates that willingly come to serve him.
In the end, the bald guy is crap, and his sympathizer’s thread image is stupid.
Bald people are capable.
There was probably a route where, by participating in the AEUG and training rookie soldiers from the Federation like Kou, the desire for revenge would fade away.
>>164A former Zeon ace who is irritated with the Federation would almost certainly get approached by the E.F.S.F. if there was nothing else going on…
>>170If we had gone to Axis, there’s a possibility that Quattro’s subordinate would have become Apollyon Roberto Gato.
>>164Gabriel Zola was like that…
Baldness is too skilled at manipulating people’s hearts.
It’s not that I was brainwashed by the bald guy, but the fact is that Zeon soldiers are basically followers of Gihren.
If that’s not the case, we can’t accept the colony drop.
Even after 20 years, there are still remnants left.
About 30 years ago, the thread images were elevated as warriors devoted to their ideals, but it feels like they were suddenly awakened by the 9/11 terror attacks.
>>172It’s still a popular character!
>>172How long will you continue to make that claim that has been completely denied?
>>218From the side, when and where was it completely denied?
I was there in real time during that period, but I can agree to some extent.
There was criticism of Gateau even before 9/11.
>>2270083 was raised the most after 911, and Gatou is still very popular even now.
>>254Huh? What the hell are you saying? It’s completely nonsensical.
The point when 0083 was most praised was in the 1990s.
Aren’t you misunderstanding the timing of 9/11?
If it weren’t, that would seriously be too crazy.
That said, it is true that gateaux are still popular now.
SEED was heavily criticized online at the time of its broadcast, but there were also a large number of fans, and it was a hit just like other similar cases.
I liked that time when the bashing of Gato derived from 9/11 was popular on sites related to jars and Gundam, and whenever a popularity poll for Gundam pilots was held, Gato was always ranked high.
>>277So you are from that kind of place.
During the One Year War, Delaz was skilled enough to receive a Gwazine-class ship despite not being part of the Zabi family, and he had enough trust from those around him that he had companions join him even from outside his own faction during the retreat from A Baoa Qu.
When Hamarn arrived or when Char rebelled was about the last chance for the hidden remnants to rise up; after that, in UC, the ones bringing out the junk seemed to be already half-giving up and just maintaining the MS out of inertia.
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