
It’s nice to realize that I have destroyed everything else for something that no longer exists and that I wanted to protect.
Even if I try to think for myself, I’m guided in my thoughts and there’s nothing I can do about it.
Shin! Stop it already, you too!
Because relationships are being carefully destroyed, there is no one who can stop it with words…
Even though we can say there was proper friendship, what Rey did was quite wicked.
Kira is not your enemy! Asran, I now completely understand what you want to say, but your choice of words is critically bad!
This is the result of imposing evil on war orphans.
As a result of continuing to seek only power, even though I actually hate conflict, I’m a river otter.
It’s not so much that Shin is bad, but rather that the chairman is completely at fault.
I wonder what went wrong.If I can be serious, it’s the script.
>>10If you’re told to create a story because you can make money for a year with another anime, then this is how it will turn out!
Seriously, sponsors…
>>17Well, it seems that the ending where Shin cries on the moon was decided from the beginning, so in reality, neither the sponsors nor the script had anything to do with it.
>>10I wanted to protect it too!! Everything with my own power…
But… I’m not shooting at the enemy…
To shoot is to take away…
Haven’t you been telling me that all along?!
>>76Stop fighting while being trapped in the past!
Are you planning to kill until the future?!
It’s because Freedom was fighting in Orbit that my family died…
>>11*It is not confirmed whether it is a stray bullet from Freedom.
What Shin-chan did around Stella is at a level that comes to shred my heart and kill me.
The darkness is too deep (official).
It can’t be helped; Rei believes that beyond DP, there are no means to achieve world peace.
It is sincere for Shin, who is fighting to eliminate war, to say that DP is right.
In Battle Destiny, the protagonist destroys everything with Palma.
Muji generally follows the flow of the first, but it can’t just follow the flow of Z…
It’s the chairman’s fault, the chairman’s!
Considering the cause, it’s too hopeless to conclude that it’s bad for coordinators to be stuck at a dead end as living beings.
If we work hard until the chairman’s plan functions properly, the world will change.
>>23Honestly, I don’t think a world can become peaceful with just that.
>>26We’ll just use force until the opposition is gone.
The sword for that is you, Shin.
The pairing of Hidetaka Ikeda and Mami Koyama has some strange elements that are currently appealing.
The chairman is going to keep elevating you as a hero and even give you a super robot just for you! Do your best!
I got completely fooled, and before I knew it, I found myself in an important position for something I absolutely don’t want to do, which is a work of art in itself.
From Aslan’s perspective, watching Shin in the latter stages is just painful.
If I had always followed my dad…
I was happy that you still liked Destiny Gundam even after going through that.
I wonder why they blurred the stray bullet from Freedom.
>>30Because it has become too difficult to handle thematically…
>>34It seems that initially, with “Gundam Seed Destiny,” they wanted to create a situation where both sides have their own sense of justice and their own faults.
It feels like they simply gave up and went for a moral tale because they couldn’t write such a scenario.
>>30In the first place, it’s a performance where you can’t tell whose stray bullet it is from the very beginning.
In Space Edition, the production of the opening orb battle hasn’t changed, so the fact that it was blurred later does not exist.
>>37If you want to intend that no one knows who it is
There’s no need to even relate it to Freedom in the first place…
If you want to make it seem like war is bad, it’s fine to say that you got caught up in the battle with the mob’s dagger, or something like that.
>>44The only time Orb became a battlefield was during the Orb Liberation War, where Freedom also participated, so isn’t it normal to show Freedom?
You’re being manipulated! You too! That’s the point where Aslan’s clumsy kindness is felt.
In the unlikely event that the chairman’s side wins, it seems unlikely they would be able to win if they end up fighting against the Yukari Kingdom.
First, before that, Shin’s mental state seems like it’s about to break.
>>32They are rather good friends, aren’t they?
It’s good, isn’t it?
“Shin, who is cornered to the point of saying, ‘I have to shoot the orb!!'”
That’s going too far…
So, I’ll provide a reason for why Athrun was irritated.
Were you being fidgety?
If we could just capture one of the assassins to make them spill the background, it would have proven a lot of things.
I wonder where they got such loyalty from…
That red and white beam can be shot not only by Freedom but also by each of the three evil weapons…
Captain Sato’s surroundings have become like a department store of hardship.
Is Cosmic Illa hell…?
>>41Recently, the added extra has been really terrible.
People who can do things like miss a direct hit from the torso while multi-locking don’t make any sense.
If I miss, I’ll end up shooting on a trajectory that will cause damage on the ground, I wonder.
>>42In the main story, they are firmly shooting towards the ground, but…
Rather, it’s more difficult and doesn’t make sense to aim at the Freedom in the air and have it hit the ground.
It’s in extremely poor taste to have Shin carry out the massacre of the Orb forces! Well, it’s war, so it can’t be helped…
So what is it?
Are you saying that you wish I had been killed freely, Captain?
Shin’s favorite scene is the one where the seeds split open.
A one-year preparation period will make the production a mess…
Then I’ll have them create a new work in six months.
In the Shin perspective, there was an explosion from behind all of a sudden, so there’s no way to know who killed whom.
>>50That’s why it makes even less sense.
Despite there being no preparation time, it feels like unnecessary scenes were forcibly included, making them stand out awkwardly.
>>57The meaning is that Shin got involved in that battle.
>>57Do you think there are connections and foreshadowing in all depictions?
>>65Personally, I don’t really need it.
I think it’s a bit off to do it without any preparation time!
>>72To be honest, the problem with the seed death was because of poor decision-making regardless of the preparation period…
The scene where the Sword Impulse cuts through the Orb fleet and finally sinks the Takemikazuchi is particularly striking.
I can’t forget the face of Shin swinging down Excalibur in a fit of rage, even if I wanted to.
It’s kind of a miracle that I didn’t end up like Camille; I was almost there, really, right up to the final Shin.
Even if we try to change the half-term, won’t it just be erased by the chairman and end there?
I’m not as skilled in martial arts as Aslan is.
Speaking of which, Shin didn’t actually hate Freedom or anything like that, did he?
>>56To clearly hate is from the time Stella died until the defeat of Freedom.
>>56That’s true.
Shin went to get his phone, so he didn’t see who shot.
But if Aslan weren’t so lacking in words, the story would probably end quickly…
Since Orb hates it, Freedom seems to fall into that category as well.
>>61The evidence is weak to claim that they had resentments from the beginning since they did not mention the orb incident when intervened by Freedom.
Since the Accord, which becomes the ruler based on the DP, is made up of terrible personalities, no matter how hard the chairman tries…
I probably only thought, “This guy is so annoying, always barging in until Stella dies!”
But the ending of the first episode is my favorite in the Gundam series.
Shin is the new main character! Yet it’s progressing.
Kira. The protagonist is Kira, you know. That’s the instruction that came from above.
I have a memory that there was actually something like that, not just a story.
I didn’t see where I was shot.
It was like after being blown away, there were Freedom and the three idiots fighting up there, right?
I think it’s useless to preach to people who have no intention of giving in to my theories.
>>69Well, even if I don’t want to involve Freedom, they went out of their way to blow up Shin’s family right after the shot cut of Freedom…
It feels a bit forced for wanting to blur things from the start.
>>78It’s not a description that allows us to confirm who shot from Shin’s perspective, so that’s also difficult.
If it’s a simulation to defeat Shin 💙 Freedom, I’m in 💙
Shin… my telomeres are short. I don’t have much longer… So please protect the world that the chairman is creating in my place.
It’s unsightly (laughs) Aslan (laughs).
What is reflected in Freedom is simply to show that this scene is from the previous work’s Orb battle, right?
If I were to say something blunt, it’s a lack of preparation and the issue of prior planning; the misfire caused by freedom (which can be interpreted as such in the depiction).
As a result, Shin didn’t recognize Freedom as an enemy, but depending on how the story unfolds, it was positioned at the beginning with catchiness so that anything could happen.
Now that remasters and special editions can be checked easily on streaming sites, it’s become difficult to argue that the scene where Freedom shoots was cut later on!
>>75Rather, it returns to make you feel that it is intentional because it shows the scene where the family dies after Freedom shot firmly towards the ground.
In the case of Spade, there was a silly edit where Shin’s family on the ground gets blown away for some reason after Calamity shot it into the air.
It’s more than enough to break around Stella, yet Shin didn’t break. He’s really tough…
Isn’t there an element of freedom that symbolizes that battle?
However, if that leads to personal resentment towards Freedom, I feel like it might disrupt the discussion, but the real culprit is completely the Alliance, or rather Azrael.
I need to admonish the arrogance, but I’m clumsy and lacking in words, and on top of that, my own problems are piling up.
The people around him either guide Shin’s thinking or aren’t very interested in him.
Since I don’t know Shin’s background, I might innocently flatter him just by looking at his achievements.
I think it’s good that the Edge version of Asran reflects on how my words cornered Shin.
It’s cruel to hear in later interviews that Shin felt he had nothing left to do as the main character.
>>84Is it not acceptable for Shin and Athrun to realize the chairman’s scheme together?
>>84The director said in the commentary that holding a grudge against Freedom over Stella’s situation is misguided resentment.
>>94Fukuda from the “Oko Me” is laughing because he gets hyped up during the scene where Kira gets shot down.
Looking back now, I can painfully understand what Aslan was trying to say, but aren’t you just hopelessly bad at expressing it?
Stop it! That’s Stella riding on it!
>>88I’ll kill you, old man!
>>93Well, everything is terrible in various ways, but if interpreted positively, the old man might not have been able to watch as the monk, who came all the way to return Stella, was about to kill her with his own hands.
As an old man, I also have the burden of having to go back to the battlefield.
Well, it’s all quite awful, but…
>>88I’m sorry, but… I’m going to have you go to Stella’s place!
If you’re going to go down an antagonist route with the chairman, you definitely need to increase the interactions with Ray beforehand; otherwise, it won’t be exciting at all.
In an interview after its release, it was bluntly stated that it was impossible to keep Shin in the lead role for long, and while I somewhat understood that, I couldn’t help but feel it was too pitiful!
>>91In the past, it was said that the director wanted to make Shin the protagonist, but Bandai insisted on pushing Kira as the main character.
I was saying some really random stuff…
>>91It’s surprising that they were doing it even though the plot of the scenario wasn’t finished until the end…
Was it 3 or 4 compilation episodes?
No matter how you look at it, it’s not a proper production system.
>>92Back then, it wasn’t unusual to have recap episodes.
Scryed was also 2 cours, but it had a recap episode in between.
The compilation from back then also takes into consideration those who started watching midway.
In fact, there are no shooting scenes of Freedom, but that’s in the recap special with past flashbacks; here, the flow of cuts in other scenes has also changed.
For Shin, the fact that some hero called Athrun has become an ally of the chairman is just too much noise.
I really liked the reinterpretation of Super Robot Wars L.
The chairman making a special attack in the Messiah is incredible, but…
Both Shin, who realized that what he believed in was an illusion, and Aslan, who didn’t want to resolve things through force with someone he wanted to guide as a senior, had to resort to fighting in the final showdown. It’s just too painful for both of them.
Since war is bad for everyone, we should just kill all those who wage war!
The chairman’s words will eventually kill everything in the world!
>>104It’s correct, but if you don’t say it in an easy-to-understand way, it won’t get across.
“You have to hold your own reins consistently…”
I honestly thought there wasn’t really anything to do even if Kirara was the main character in Seed Destiny.
>>106In reality, there wasn’t much of a drama and the stage set felt amazing.
>>112The reason Shin resents Freedom is too convenient for the script.
In the movie, it was really refreshing to see Shin-chan, chosen by the chairman, break the sword of the Yukarin Kingdom.
Is space freedom?
The chairman has been behaving poorly since episode 1, but their voice is so good that it makes up for it.
>>110Ignoring the contact from Orb in the first place is problematic.
It is justified for the Orb refugees to provide technology derived from the Orb, but they should respond properly to that.
>>110I’m a little bit of a fan of the princess (lol) because she’s too dismissive towards the top of the country.
After that, I was told to take shelter! Even though I hesitate, I still love it when someone asks if I’m going to Minerva and I decide right away.
Stella return! It’s a man’s promise! Destroyer sortie! The tempo is so terrible that it falls into the realm of gags.
Just because Shin was told by the chairman to sweep everything away does not necessarily mean it will lead to a happy ending.
But does that mean we should take them off the lead role? Isn’t that a bit much!?
It’s Logos that’s to blame for Neo having to make such a lousy move… seriously.
It’s unavoidable, but it was sad to see Kagari get insulted by Shin; she was a main character in the previous work.
>>115It’s not Kagari’s fault, but it’s only natural that the people of Orb would say harsh things…
It’s really tough to follow the main story of Seed Destiny without a lot of background from manga and games…
>>116When you review the main story as a whole, you’ll notice that the flow of the story isn’t that strange.
However, when you digest it as an anime that was aired weekly at the time, it suddenly feels all jumbled up.
It’s just a major who looks like they’ve attained enlightenment but is actually mentally troubled and unable to express their emotions.
Aren’t there any good points about Jibu?
>>121I wanted the pleasantness and eccentricity of a leader like a king.
>>128In terms of being terrible, Azrael is similar, but it had momentum over there.
In reality, Kira had too little reason to fight.
>>122Kira hasn’t acted voluntarily except for the abduction of Kagari and the rescue of Lacus in space.
Besides being attacked, I intervened at Kagari’s request and went to Berlin at the terminal’s request.
Having four recap episodes over four cours wouldn’t be strange even in modern times, one recap episode per cour.
The recap episodes count as around 4 episodes, but there should have been recap episodes that were not counted in real-time.
Kagari starts to think, “Isn’t it a bad move for my father to involve all his close aides and then die?”
>>127Why?
>>127If it’s Kagari, it will be alright… The surrounding clans will support us…
Hey, why is everyone going out of control?
>>127Isn’t it troubling that all the close aides have resorted to self-destruction, and don’t any of them have a successor?
It’s strange that in the sequel, only Seiran appears when there were so many purple-brown suits before.
>>164Well, just like my father, the subordinates are probably observing whether I serve or not…
If it were me, I would stay away from Kagari, so I can’t be blamed.
What caught my attention at that time was the heavy use of bank footage rather than the compilation episodes.
>>130There were many banks since the time of W…
>>130Furthermore, I think the reason there are more banks despite the few battles is something that can be said more than in other works.
Wasn’t it good that Aslan was the main character?
>>133Aslan is in a role similar to that of a chorus.
>>133By the second episode, it became clear that Shin couldn’t carry the story, so the director decided to make Aslan the focus and Kira the protagonist in the script.
If you have a good face and voice, you can easily deceive the viewers.
A boy who lost his family in the war chose the path of fighting to eliminate war, but all he could do was fight, and in the end, he became a pawn of a vile villain and was defeated by the protagonists from the previous work; that’s just too tragic.
It took some time, but I’m really glad I was able to achieve freedom.
Chairman 32 and Captain 29 look three times.
>>137(That young person is the captain… They slept with the chairman…)
Hmm, there aren’t really any elements for Kira and Lacus to get involved in the drama… Oh, can’t we just kill Mia? That’s why there really isn’t any.
But thanks to the frequent use of banks, it kind of feels like this pose when it comes to the seeds…
>>141It’s great, isn’t it? FREEDOM with this! This! And this!! The Destiny that recreates the bank…
Because my dad and his friends died, there was no one to support Kagari.
In other words, the current Mr. Homura should be there, so it shouldn’t be a problem if everyone around Uzumi dies.
What was Yuna’s fiancé, Uzumi-sama, thinking…?
What Shin-chan says when he confronts Kagari is absolutely right.
It’s not like I have the awareness of being a civilian like Camille, but I couldn’t help but think, “What kind of attitude is that towards a VIP from outside?”
Well, if I were asked whether the old man could have done anything in that situation, it’s difficult to say…
>>150It feels like they are really putting a lot of effort into packing around Stella…
>>183The information that it was too late at the moment when the Stella added with the Stargazer was returned…
In the Edge version, the interactions between Aslan and Shin are nice.
In the bonbon version, Aslan and Shin’s final battle has a classic shonen manga feel to it, which is nice.
>>151In the Bonbon version, Aslan is the only one who confides his true feelings to Shin.
It’s because you resemble the old me! That’s what I’m truly saying, so there’s no way Shin could be happier in a world without war! If you say you’re right, then show me by beating me!
>>172I seriously thought they should have said this at the beginning of the main story.
When I said that we are in the same situation, Shin would have wanted to hear more…
>>193With that, Shin really trusts Athrun a lot.
So when you escape, stop! I’ll listen to you! I’ll accompany you to turn yourself in! I was desperately trying to persuade you.
The neighbor Rei is coming to intercept in kill mode, but…
The characters are generally mentally affected and are being swept away by the situation in Seed Destiny.
Indeed, that does seem somewhat Z-like.
It’s obvious, but if both Father and all the aides die…
You can only remain in a faction that opposes others or lack the ability to become a close aide, right?
Where did Uzumi’s brother go…?
I think the reason why Kira, Lacus, and Athrun’s motivations are becoming vague is because the chairman’s conspiracy is going too well.
The most important assassination of Lux was a failure, but no concrete evidence was left behind.
What made me go “wow” while revisiting was Shin’s sadness after the destruction, giving Stella a sea funeral.
In between, there was a scene of a child crying in front of the body of their family lost to a Destroy attack.
>>158Despite the overall flow being poorly structured, I admire how you neatly handle these kinds of details!
>>158Ah… it’s also nice to see the Union soldier shot dead behind Shin, who is being praised by the locals…
During the Seed Destiny era, Shin-chan was always drowsy while on the Destiny.
Kagari is young and only talks about ideals, so when she is rebutted, she becomes frustrated…
In the final round of the orb battle, after dropping the AA, there was a feeling that they seemed ready to break through and show a new side of themselves.
>>161I was a little moved that I could do politics and scheming with FREEDOM.
>>180Kagari, who initially endures the condemnation from various countries towards the rampaging Kira, eventually explodes with anger.
>>184Kagari is sprawled over the desk.
The foreshadowing that Shin will be knocked down later is going on persistently!
It felt like Stella was a fusion of Fou and Rosami, but it seemed that the Rosami elements were too strong.
Shin, who didn’t have to put in extra effort himself, might have been a little better off.
>>165It’s unclear whether Shin is aware or not, but returning to the alliance without thinking led to the shooting down from that great massacre, which I believe has become an extremely tragic situation in a sense…
>>177Aslan told me when I returned it too.
There are various circumstances and difficult situations.
Aslan has been consistently terrible in that regard, uttering things in parentheses regardless of their relevance.
>>166Even if you put it out there, whether it will go well is another story…
It’s not a hell experience suitable for a 16-year-old child.
>>167(Whose story is it…?)
Even if I defect from ZAFT, when should I make my move?
>>169Unlike Kira and Athrun, I don’t have reliable connections, family background, or upbringing, and as someone like Shin who truly has nothing but himself in the military, there’s nothing that can be done even if I try to stand out.
>>169When Aslan was shot down, we were both rescued in a mutual hit → If we could clear up the misunderstanding…
>>169By the way, when picking up Aslan, it seems like we might be separated from Minerva and be collected together in Orb.
Minerva itself will join in the Gulf of Carpentaria, and Shin will have to come to an understanding with Orb.
I was laughing because the technique where the arcade cabinet’s impulse throws Dagger L and causes an explosion is ridiculously strong.
The story over there was completely unfunny after studying the original work…
I love Shin-chan from the Takahashi manga version, who arrives at his own conclusions and fights with all his might.
The thread image isn’t from Bonbon, right? I’ve seen it for the first time.
>>178It’s The Edge Desire, an omnibus from Aslan’s perspective of The Edge.
There are quite a few perspectives from Shin, and he expresses his thoughts like, “Requiem and Destiny are the same weapon, right… What’s the difference…?”
>>195In response to that, it’s completely different! If Destiny falls, Shin will die, right!? It’s great to have a crew that can answer that immediately.
Aslan, who was often made fun of, is now in a state of confusion.
I never thought I would see the protagonist losing their mind in the final battle in the sequel.
>>179Aslan’s confusion is a statement from Destiny’s Rey!?
Is it that Shin’s family was not killed by a stray bullet from Freedom from the beginning? Or is that something added later?
>>185I believe it has never been decided from the beginning, and it isn’t decided now either.
>>185It might be freedom, or it might not be, but it doesn’t clearly specify who did it.
The unnecessarily euphemistic expression that suggests I’m already a bit confused is gradually getting to me.
Other things are generally the same, but it was too harsh for Shinn, who is relatively normal except for his talent in MS, to be expected to have a broad perspective and the skill to act as he wishes in such a chaotic situation.
Because of that, life became difficult.
What Shin hates is not freedom, but war itself…
>>194We will end the war in any way possible! The freedom to disrupt the battlefield that is coming to where we were.
And because of that, companions who die.
>>205So wouldn’t it just be fine if the monster of a coordinator perished?
The part where my family died because of the battle that took place over there is important…