If Lilith hadn’t descended, would Earth have been a planet where the apostles lived happily together?
>>1The one who remains until the end of the Apostle Fight will be the champion.
>>6It seems like a twisted konnyaku is secretly active.
>>6That’s probably the case with real living creatures too.
I don’t understand!
This area was discussed in detail in Evangelion 2 for PS2 and PSP.
>>3I hadn’t thought about it until the game development team said that we needed to establish the settings…
Well, on TV, Eva would stretch and shrink in each scene, and there wasn’t even a size setting.
What was the Second Impact again?
>>4In Antarctica, after finding Adam sleeping, Seele was prodding him with a spear and human genes to stimulate him.
It exploded.
>>9Isn’t Seele bad?
>>13Only those who have never poked dog poop with a stick by the roadside should throw stones at Seele.
>>124That’s not dog poop, it’s dynamite!
When perfectly explained, it becomes rather uninteresting.
I thought I had seen it on YouTube two years ago, but was that the story?
In short, does that mean humanity was an invasive alien species?
So what happens to the theory of evolution, Misato?
>>11This is a story that has nothing to do with the people of this world, Nameless-kun.
Weren’t there about 24 apostles?
>>12There are few manga versions.
>>12I don’t know if it’s before or after the TV anime, but it’s a world after the loop.
I wonder why humanity, which was never supposed to be born, came into existence?
>>16Lilith came for some reason…
>>21So the apostles born from the Lilith in the thread picture are humanity, huh?
So who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?
>>17In real life, a person from the Jewish Essene sect.
>>17First Ancestor Ethnicity
>>17Shinji-kun from the previous lap.
>>387That’s the setting for Shin, right?
What about the past?
What have the apostles been doing all this time? Were they sleeping underground?
>>18I see.
The apostle that could be discovered while Sandalphon is sleeping.
>>18Yes.
It happened due to the Second Impact.
>>52Isn’t Seele just garbage?
>>61Because it’s just all those old executives, I can’t stand dying like this. Let’s all become ultimate life forms together!
Speaking of which, I wonder why characters like Lilith, Adam, and the Apostles show up even when watching Shin.
You weren’t into that at all, were you?
>>19Isn’t it unnecessary to say that a purpose is needed there?
>>22I just wanted everything to be concluded already… but I still wanted to know the mystery.
>>26So it’s not a mystery or anything; it’s just that there were such life forms in that world’s universe, and Lilith just happened to wander in.
It’s about not seeking intention or necessity in that.
>>19To put it simply, it’s just the beginning of a story, so it doesn’t really matter…
>>19They probably aren’t particularly thinking of doing anything more than what was already done in Eva 2.
>>19There were all kinds of unclear things and creatures around the Golgotha object.
Why do you want to create an impact, Apostle?
>>25I want to win.
The one who activated Lilith and used the AT field release function to annihilate the Lilin is the winner of the battle among the Apostles.
The first impact is based on the giant impact hypothesis, so it’s not that far-fetched.
In other words, it is a theory that Earth collided with another planet, where Earth represents Adam and the other planet is the motif for Lilith.
The idea is that humanity evolved from microorganisms from the planet Lilith.
>>28I wonder how it is here.
Isn’t it only Homo sapiens that is derived from Lilith?
The apostles and the genetic structure are very similar.
The theory that a meteorite struck Earth and its fragments became the Moon is commonly accepted.
>>30It’s almost a consensus, but it’s not really related to the story of Eva.
Since the new play already has humanity winning and looping the world, it’s fine to say that the story of the apostles is not needed, right?
The fact that the name of the apostle is no longer mentioned has become part of the stage setting, I suppose.
I only know the TV version, but the Angels suddenly appeared on Earth, perhaps because they were born on Earth.
But there were also those who attacked from space, right?
A super amazing super being threw an egg saying, “Everyone in the universe, evolve and become amazing beings!”
By chance, an egg containing Adam fell to Earth and gave birth to the Apostles, and now we’re going to decide the pinnacle of this planet!
In that moment, a second Lilith egg fell, and Adam and the Apostles all ceased their activities.
During that time, as Lilith continuously leaked LCL from her groin and filled the Earth, life was born.
The culmination of that evolution is humanity, the Lilin, who are the apostles of Lilith.
I was thinking while hearing the setting, but…
It kind of resembles Kamen Rider Blade…
>>38Blade, Eva, and Type-Moon are kind of similar, aren’t they?
Fight to determine the ruler of the planet.
I’m the one who is confused that the Dead Sea Scrolls were the “Shiikai Monjo.”
>>40I know that the Dead Sea Scrolls appear in Evangelion, but I’m curious about how someone could know that without having watched the anime.
>>48I thought I’d finally watch the TV version of Eva along with Shin, but since it wasn’t available, I was satisfied finishing the Rebuild movies instead.
>>82Sure.
Why is that?
>>89I can understand since there was a lot of interaction in Super Robot Wars MX.
>>82Let’s just watch Argento Soma and The Big O.
If the apostles win and survive, they would probably just be sitting around doing nothing by themselves.
It’s complicated that there is a first ancestral race separate from Adam and Lilith.
>>43Is that so!?
>>55That’s the most basic thing, right!?
Were you making the Kaoru-kun game without thinking about that setting?
You’re bold.
>>44His words and actions are quite chaotic, you know.
It’s partly because additional scenes were added in the video package version, but…
>>44Reverse reverse
The setting was created with Kaoru’s episode in mind.
Oh, so humans were the invasive species.
>>45That’s a common one in SF.
So, is the universe of the Eva world filled with life?
It’s not that I wasn’t thinking about it, I just hadn’t solidified my thoughts.
It seems that Adam is completely the victim, based on the flow of events.
>>50The collision itself is just a physical phenomenon, and it doesn’t mean that either side is at fault.
>>50The one who came later is thriving, so I had been sleeping to read the atmosphere, but I was woken up, so I’m a huge victim.
Since the rights belong to NHK, it can’t be openly released, but it’s a world that is connected to Nadia.
If someone came from somewhere else, they would probably be in the same place as Nadia.
>>51If it’s related to that side, the top will be the future.
I was watching the TV version in real time, but regardless of that setting, it had a terrible ending.
In the end, I don’t really understand what the correlation between the old and the new is.
The term “hidden Dead Sea Scrolls” already sounds unfair to me.
First Ancestor Ethnic Group
The species has reached its limit, so let’s restart life! Thus, we scatter across the universe.
Two moons have come to Earth!
I thought it was a story about wanting to become the ruler of the Earth and to revert everyone else back to a primitive state.
There is a first ancestor tribe that is sowing the seeds of life.
If I planted seeds on each star, two stars ended up merging.
>>64So both origins are the same, huh?
Are Adam and Lilith the first ancestor race?
>>65Is it a prototype of next-generation life prepared by the progenitor species, or perhaps a spawning device…?
The S2 engine also relies on spiral power, which is essentially a super solenoid.
The First Ancestor race is from Macross, right? Or they are the people of the Light Giant.
>>67This area can also be read as creative meta.
We were influenced and created this world.
Therefore, when the story ends in the old movie, this time Ikari Yui and Unit-01 will take off into space as those who influence.
>>445I really became someone who has a huge impact.
Adam was blown to pieces in the Second Impact and his body was regenerated, but in the end, he was consumed by Gendo.
The soul was placed into a human body and became Kaoru-kun.
It got even more complicated because I decided to connect with Nadia.
>>69Because Nadia’s drama CD had Second Tokyo City and Ritsuko come out first.
>>76What is that?
It’s like a grand tale of humanity’s own making.
So, is the rightful successor of Earth the Apostles?
I see—so humanity was the pee man of Lilith.
It’s just a story about the survival of the fittest, so the backstory is relatively unimportant.
>>74But that kind of setting is also one of the elements that adds excitement.
>>74Back then, the TV version really emphasized that mystery.
Were humans on the extraterrestrial side?
So in other words, even if humans win, the original mastermind’s goal is still achieved, right?
Please explain from the beginning in chronological order, Eva’s teacher.
According to the description of the PS2 game, Lilith is just stuck in her evolution, so there’s no point in splitting parts and sending them into space with life and wisdom!
“Just absorb everything and create the ultimate life! So I came to absorb the fruit of Adam’s life.”
The first ancestors of civilization suffered from being unable to evolve as ultimate life forms, so this plan is being carried out due to Lilith’s personal ego.
Even though we parted ways and went in different directions, what are the odds of meeting again on Earth by chance?
>>85Isn’t it the opposite?
Our chance reunion was on Earth.
>>85Lilis is coming to Earth with the purpose of correcting the trajectory and stealing Adam’s fruit of life.
>>107Lilith and Adam are eggs, but do they have a will?
>>115Adam and Lilith are life creators, and what entered them is conveniently treated as an egg in a spaceship-like manner.
>>115The reason it turned into an egg is that the Second Impact was caused to stop Seele from waking up.
After Adam created the apostles, he took a break, and while he was resting, Lilith’s spaceship dove down from space, causing him to be severely injured and fall into a coma until the Second Impact.
If we’re talking about invasive species, both came from elsewhere.
What I wanted was the part where the organization that was supposedly protecting humanity alongside the protagonist turns out to actually be an evil organization.
The apostles are merely an accompaniment.
>>87Is there some kind of original source for that too?
It’s fine to say that the apostles are originally Earthlings, I guess.
Then why did that fool Sahakuiel fall from space?
>>88I was blown into space and was sleeping due to the first impact.
>>88If you fall from high above, won’t you penetrate all the way to the Central Dogma!?
With that feeling
Is it Ultra Seven?
Until the old series, the setting was somewhat consistent, but in the new series, it completely deviated from that, so I have given up thinking about Shin and just accepted it.
It seems like cases of stars colliding are happening elsewhere too…
>>93The star (moon) that collided with Earth in the First Impact is more like the ship that Lilith was on.
Yui’s family is closely related to Seele, right?
It was a simpler story than I thought…
The settings are different again in the manga version and the anime, right?
I know it.
The white moon with Adam in it collided violently with the Earth.
Later, the black moon containing Lilith crashed into the Earth.
Isn’t saying that you’re connected to Nadia just a fan service and not a part of the setting?
The First Ancestor race, which is humanoid, migrated throughout the universe and ended up clashing on the same planet, which led to them starting to kill each other; that’s Earth.
It’s true that the TV version left a lot of mysteries unresolved.
Before Shin, we were discussing almost all the mysteries in Eva 2.
>>104The new one has a completely different setting, so it’s not talking about the truth at all.
I’m curious about how the story ended in the version where the title of the final episode of the plot edition was just one clever method.
Well, the apostles are not very bright.
I thought it might be a bit tough to take over the Earth’s hegemony.
What are non-human animals and plants produced from?
>>110It should be something from Lilith but not a Apostle.
>>112So, if Adam’s side had thrived without the First Impact, the natural environment might have been completely different.
>>125A world where the apostle that won the apostle fight is just kind of dawdling on Earth as a single life form.
>>141Is the Earth a void after the victory of the mental erosion type guys?
It seems like Sakiel and Ramiel would be quite fun to work with.
It seems that the First Ancestor race was divided into several factions, so there are likely groups advancing in ways other than through the Fruit of Life and the Fruit of Wisdom.
It’s already confusing that there are multiple Adams.
The manga version is LAS, after all…
In the field projects, those who try to start their lives over because they feel stuck in their evolution are no good.
Zeelei found the Dead Sea Scrolls and the hidden Dead Sea Scrolls, and it’s bad, if the Apostles are resurrected, humanity will be in trouble.
The result of all the efforts to do something about Adam is the Second Impact.
>>117So you’re the guardian of humanity.
>>117The Dead Sea Scrolls aren’t a strategy guide that tells you the order in which to defeat the apostles to win…
I wonder why that story is left in Christian-related texts…
>>118Wasn’t what you received the language of the First Ancestor tribe?
>>118“Since I started setting up with ‘The Dead Sea Scrolls sound pretty cool, so let’s use this!'”
Realizing it was just a copy of the Bible, they hurriedly claimed that something called the “Secret Dead Sea Scrolls” had been concealed.
The thread image is properly attached, right?
A woman appears who wants to become a complete life form and leave a mark of humanity.
I rely on non-numbered units and the final unit, but I don’t know anything about the settings.
Who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls and the so-called “false” Dead Sea Scrolls?
If you don’t really understand, take a look at Dai Jiro Morohoshi’s “Tree of Life.”
>>126After reading it later, I found the story about the paradise go to and thought, “So this is what the explosion was about…”
Aren’t those aliens like that protoculture going to do something?
>>127I can win against Zetton.
>>127If it’s with the protoculture, we’ll just do it and leave it be.
>>127I scattered an overwhelming number.
I should have watched the new series properly, but I don’t remember at all what happened with the Angels.
I can only remember that my father’s classmate became the heroine.
By the way, the Lance of Longinus is a device for saying, “Oh, I messed up the evolution tree. Reset, reset.”
So I’m going to do it again with a spear! I’m seriously going to do it again with a spear.
>>131Could it be that the setting became a spear shape because I came up with this pun…?
It’s an old anime, so it’s fine if you don’t know about it.
It should be fine to say that organisms born from Adam-based are unicellular organisms, while those from Lilith-based are multicellular organisms.
Apostles are single-celled organisms, so they should die if their core is destroyed.
In reality, it’s just that a new amino acid was randomly created.
It multiplied and started to run around…
Which Ultraman is it?
What is the Golgotha Object?
>>138Thinking seriously about Shin’s setting is a waste of time.
>>138It’s like a phone call to report progress, saying that we’ve evolved to the point where we can now make contact with the First Ancestor people.
In an interview from the time they were dating, he said things like this.
>>140They really mass-produced the Big Zam…
>>151If there’s a chance to do it, of course you’d do it, right?
>>140The reasoning of each character in the main story of Eva 2 is basically wrong, which is a straightforward statement.
>>140If you’re saying it’s appropriate, then don’t get grumpy, just say it out loud!
If we talk it out, it can be resolved quickly, so let’s not just act on it in reality.
>>140Otaku around here tend to overthink things, right? I feel like that kind of sensibility is often seen in Trigger’s work.
>>477The original inspiration for this scene in Zieg Akus is something that makes no sense at all.
I just tried doing what I used to see when I was a customer.
>>477This overthinking and such changes depending on the work and the creator.
There’s no right answer for either the creators or the viewers, which is why it’s tricky.
>>540Just because one point looks plausible, it doesn’t mean that other points haven’t been considered.
Even so, there are some people who say that they haven’t thought about anything in every aspect.
Despite being unicellular organisms, they change all the time, don’t they?
So, the Human Instrumentality Project has nothing to do with Adam’s Apostles…?
>>145It doesn’t have a direct relation, but we’ll participate in the Apostle Fight with our humanity using Eva!
Ultimately, the Human Complementation Project aims to remove humanity’s AT Field and become one perfect and ultimate life form.
In other words, it felt like humanity was unwittingly caught up in a fierce survival game between monsters, only to realize that humanity was just another one of those monsters?
>>147Yes
>>147Moreover, they are not a regular participant but an infiltrator.
It’s a bothersome story, isn’t it?
Aren’t other creatures getting caught in the crossfire?
>>148Those guys are just a bonus that thrived without being managed at all…
>>163Those guys who just came flying in from the side act all high and mighty talking about management and everything while having petty squabbles…!
By the way, isn’t Eve here?
>>149That’s not Eva.
>>149Eve was born from Adam’s rib.
God formed Adam from the dust.
Lilith… where did she come from?
>>171God created him at the same time as Adam, but he was kicked out because something seemed off.
Of course, I exploded with anger.
>>171Adam’s ex-girlfriend
“Since we were born the same way, we’re equals! So I got angry and left to become a mother by merging with the devil.”
>>214Is that what has been persistently said about the primal woman?
>>171Since there are separate accounts of God creating man and woman and of Eve being made from Adam’s rib,
Then, it must mean there were other women besides Eve! That’s how Lilith was fabricated.
>>149The name Eva comes from another reading of Eve and means gospel.
It’s the same in that we were both born from Adam.
>>190Ah, so that’s why they were trying to pair Adam and Eve, and it turned out to be Lilith, huh? That’s what TV version Kaworu-kun is.
So that scene was yuri…?
>>234Lily is a lily, after all.
What was Gaf’s room like?
Adam’s egg shell?
It feels like they are immigrating on a spaceship loaded with seeds of life to reconstruct their bodies, having only preserved their souls in a recording medium, so one could say that the original individuals do appear in a way.
Adam and Lilith are like operators of the all-in-one spaceship for creating life, which humanity calls the white moon and the black moon, respectively.
I wonder if this is easier for Americans to understand.
I generally understood the old version, but I don’t understand anything about the new version.
By the time all the apostles were defeated.
There’s really no need to complete humanity, right?
>>161Not at all?
It’s just the self-satisfaction of those who want to do that.
>>161It’s not that there isn’t any.
The genes of humanity are probably damaged to the point where Lilith is induced, preventing the possibility of having children.
We must unite as humanity to repair our genes once and for all.
Are you saying that making the apostles fight each other is based on the motif of Kamen Rider Blade?
Who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?
The settings are completely different between the old series and the new series, so it’s better to think of them separately.
In short, “The group route is no good! We have to become a single super being like the Apostles!” is the Human Complementation Project.
>>173I don’t know.
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