Sei-kun
I think that’s true.
Can you empathize with a moment…?
>>2Do you not want to understand each other?
I’ve been hearing a lot about empathy everywhere, but I realize there are quite a few people whose boundaries between themselves and others are quite vague.
>>3Everyone is talking about empathy in a complicated way, but to be honest, I feel like empathy doesn’t really matter and that people are simply judging based on whether they like the protagonist or not.
>>3Isn’t empathy different from identifying with the other person?
>>119Empathy and sympathy have different meanings, you know.
You can generally understand the flow of how things will turn out.
Ga, Garoad…
Shiro
“Empathy” ← This is a keyword for trolls.
I can’t empathize with the anonymous posters.
Asem was watching, and perhaps because it was puberty, I really empathized with it…
The problem is not that you can’t empathize; it’s that you’re not being a protagonist.
>>10Until episode 3, the protagonist was being rude, right?
>>59It’s practically a second episode…
>>68Next week is the episode with the old man as the main character, so don’t line up.
>>10In the first episode, the protagonist was great! Up until around the third episode, there was that lingering feeling which made it exciting!
I understand Berli quite well.
The protagonist is probably about the same level as the chapter-specific protagonists in “Ushijima-kun.”
I like Berli.
I think it’s important to have charm and success that makes me want to support the protagonist, rather than just empathy…
>>14I feel like Machu doesn’t have any notable achievements or positive character traits right now, so he doesn’t seem like a character I can support…
>>14The leader is a character who has strayed from the path, but there’s charm in their rise from the bottom and their desire to improve the lives of the members.
>>14Even so, it would be troubling if the character lacks consistency.
This is me… but that’s not going to happen, of course.
Sei understands very well.
If you keep comparing everything to the protagonist, for example, you won’t be able to read Kyogoku’s works!
In that sense, probably the majority of the viewers are supporting Exabe-kun…
>>19On the contrary, there are times when people are so exceptional that I can’t relate to them…
If you keep worrying about whether you can empathize or not, you won’t be able to properly enjoy fiction.
>>20I think you’re unconsciously trying to see if you can empathize or not.
Roland
>>21I thought even as a child that this person was too much of a saint.
Well, I’m not the type to get all excited and shout “Alright, let’s go!”
Do you understand the feelings of a well-off family’s female student?!
It’s easy to understand and I can support the way you’re hostile toward ordinary adults.
I prefer the protagonist who is doing outrageous things.
It really feels like everything is moving according to the convenience of the story.
In that sense, I cannot empathize.
The understanding that empathy or self-projection is directed towards the protagonist is incorrect.
It’s laughable how Camille’s crazy treatment has completely gone somewhere else in order to polarize.
I wonder if it’s something like Naota from FLCL.
>>32Every time someone talks about FLCL, I feel uneasy wondering if we were watching the same anime, since they seem to alternate between the carrot and the stick to find balance.
>>38Nao-ta was often unreasonable, I suppose.
It’s the top two, L’Arc, that are losing to the flow without properly succeeding.
I think the majority of the viewers are wondering what the green uncle is going to do next… isn’t that right, Komori-chan…?
Even Banaji-kun can’t really empathize.
Regardless of Sleta and empathy, she was a child you wanted to support out of goodness.
During the beginning of the second cour, they probably purposely made it hard for Mioline to cheer by scaring her during the period of color blindness.
It is necessary to be able to understand whether someone with such a character or circumstances would take such actions, or rather, to empathize.
In that sense, I can understand the foolish kids who do under-the-table jobs to support men.
>>36Is that so…? Is that really so…?
Well, if Shuji was more skilled at conveying sexual attraction, conversation skills, and empathy towards Machi, then that analogy would be fine.
I don’t really understand what kind of man makes me want to be attracted to him and give to him…
>>54Twinkle
Also face
>>66So you’re saying that these modern high school girls easily spread their legs for drugs and handsome guys?
It’s perfect!
There seem to be quite a few stupid men who would throw everything away for a woman, but that would be me… it’s hard to admit that.
Kou Uraki seems kind of like a salaryman, which is nice!
>>39That guy is in a rather rare position as a rookie officer in the regular army from the very beginning.
>>53Shiro…
Unlike other protagonists, it’s possible that it’s a bit questionable that I willingly get involved in dark side jobs instead of being forced into war…
>>40It took 7 episodes to get to the climax with this setting… which is placed on the protagonist so that it can be said.
The inability to empathize and the fact that anime is boring are separate issues.
>>41It is undoubtedly one of the causes.
A character created carefully so that they cannot be supported.
On the contrary, I feel sorry for them.
>>42It’s better not to be there.
If the protagonist doesn’t carry the cross, they end up as a dumb girl that you often see in the Universal Century, just ready to die quickly.
Right now, I’m just a lady who has completely fallen into drugs and gone off the path, so I’m curious whether I can turn things around from here.
Camille
Yeah, I can kind of relate to the frustrations of being young.
I started to feel sorry and I fell in love deeply.
You’re still not giving up after being mocked so much, huh…
It’s okay if you can’t empathize as a result of looking properly.
I can’t trust those who say they couldn’t empathize or support from the very beginning.
I can’t stand watching a kid who’s really that stupid.
I think it’s actually easier to follow if you haven’t seen it from the beginning.
You won’t really understand until the story is over.
I started to like it at the very last moment, like with Flit.
I have come to like Nyann more now.
I think Camille’s motivation for action is clear, so it’s easy to understand.
It’s not normal, but…
>>56I have recently been keenly aware that this is indeed the case.
I think they are experimenting to see how much they can sell the Gundam brand even if they fill it with unappealing characters.
Usso is a genius, but he also retains a boyish side, making him a protagonist I can genuinely support.
It seems like the character is designed to be overshadowed by others while being the main character, but it’s rare for a character to be this good by episode 10, so it doesn’t seem like there will be a significant moment for them until the very end.
>>60After this, nothing good happened, and I ended up passing away young. Wouldn’t it be interesting to tell such a story in Gundam? I’d be troubled if someone said that, and I wonder how it will end.
I think there are often protagonists who keep failing.
It’s tough when failures involve your parents.
>>61I could empathize with that.
I am Gundam.
Isn’t the problem with the thread image that it’s just too much to even empathize with?
The character depiction is rough.
The woman who became a cutlet after surpassing Camille.
>>71Even cutlets were useful in various ways, so it’s less than a cutlet.
>>71Disrespectful to the cutlet.
Rudeness to Quess.
Disrespect to Catejina.
It feels like they spent time developing the beginning and exploring other characters without adequately digging into the protagonist before diving into tough turns, even though building up savings is necessary for a buildup.
>>72I thought you were going to earn that savings with the Psyco Gundam…
>>72Simply enduring the buildup and development is tough if you can’t continue to believe in the protagonist and root for them…
Personally, I’ve already figured out that you’re a foolish kid, so go ahead and fall on your own… while I’m already halfway in.
I want to believe that after being actively involved in a serious one-cour anime up until episode 3, they wouldn’t be able to pull off what happens in the latter half without a lot of confidence, especially after being pushed off a cliff in episode 7…
I thought the protagonist was angry for the sake of the refugee girl, but she turned out to be nothing more than a glittery pig wanting to indulge.
>>74It feels like the anger of a fan who saw their favorite idol involved in an affair scandal.
I think relying on men as a means to earn is not even supporting them.
It’s better to lose after fighting, but lately, I’ve not even been given the chance to fight at all.
Thanks to Nyan, Ziek Ax was able to have a bit of a showcase.
If a 14-year-old kid ended up in such a situation, it’s no wonder they would turn out that way, Shin.
A privileged child who, due to their superficial skills, takes a detached attitude and engages in delinquency is like a character that adults find detestable, similar to a winning hand in a game. It’s no surprise that one cannot empathize with them, and it feels more like it’s simply that you just dislike them.
For now, it’s not very good, but since there are still episodes 4 and 5 left, I don’t think it’s time to panic just yet.
>>81I can tell that it definitely isn’t a decent performance.
In the end, because people watch the robot battles, even if the characters are a bit lacking, they can still gain some popularity simply by being strong and performing well in combat, but that’s not even there.
Basically, I think that in sci-fi works, since they are ensemble pieces, emotional investment in the protagonist is not that important.
>>85The main focus of the story is being driven by the green uncle, so to be honest, Machu and the others are just…
On the verge of tumbling down from the protagonist’s position.
Even if I can’t empathize, it’s enough to just want to support the protagonist or see them succeed.
I liked Machu trying to defeat the military police with a mobile suit out of righteous indignation in episode 1.
>>87After watching the latest episode, I’ve started to wonder if that was really righteous indignation.
>>101You probably missed your target on purpose, but if it was out of righteous anger, then I think it was essential to stand up against the psychopathic destruction of the city.
>>101It seems that a sense of justice is good for production.
>>101I don’t think it’s an extraordinary opportunity!
It feels like a shallow thought, as if there’s a lucky target to vent my frustration on, rather than out of righteous indignation, like kicking the balls of the military police.
>>101That’s one of the few elements that can support Machu, so I don’t want it to disappear.
>>101It may be just thoughtless, but it is righteous indignation.
Nyaan ended up having to substitute because he kicked the prefectural police in the groin.
>>155Is it okay to say that’s excessive and refer to it as righteous indignation in a nicer way…?
>>182If that can be justified as righteous indignation, then the world is full of crimes, isn’t it?
It means being able to support, and recently, Siletto seems to be quite on that side, right?
A girl who attempts robbery and murder has gone beyond delinquency or youthful indiscretion.
It’s interesting that a child who is secretly admired by her classmates is actually the biggest airhead and fool in the school.
The protagonist of Gundam gives the impression of wanting to see the outcome of this character rather than evoking empathy.
>>97I don’t care what happens to a guy like this!
I feel like I’m about to become that way.
You won’t know until you see the end, though.
>>97I have a strong desire to see what the future holds.
Machu and Nyaan just happened to have Shuji at a convenient time, and I think they would be fine with anyone as long as they can escape their current situation.
It’s not empathy, but understanding.
To be honest, even if Machu performs well from here, the fact that he took the money will always be a sticking point for him…
This is a phenomenon where shoplifters are more concerning than murderers…
>>100It’s money I earned myself…
>>123Are you saying you would embezzle the company’s money because it’s your own hard-earned money?
>>100I don’t particularly care.
It’s a fistfight with Anki.
I think Domon is a relatively relatable protagonist.
>>102I understand because my family was in the same situation.
>>108I saw my father frozen for the first time.
>>108My mother died and my father was frozen; I saw a nameless person for the first time.
Machu and Nyan inexplicably have feelings for Shuji, but they don’t see much of his personality, so he looks like an empty-headed girl to them.
Well, thinking about it, since I have the character say that I don’t know anything about Shuji, it’s probably an intentional portrayal, but even so, it’s not really that interesting to watch.
Shiro is likable, but not as an instructor.
>>104Well, I just don’t like Mr. Shiro.
I’m quite anxious about whether I’ll be able to empathize from here.
Why does such a fool have popularity with this kind of look!
Even if one cannot empathize, a protagonist can still be compelling if they are charming.
I can’t see any vision of growing as a pilot!
I tend to cheer for the villains no matter what work I watch.
It’s sad because they’re just going to lose anyway.
I don’t need you to understand, so just let me do as I please.
It’s somewhat malicious that the protagonist only appeared during the preview screening.
Getting involved in dark side jobs and being wanted as a criminal is, whether one empathizes or not, quite characteristic of the present time.
I’m curious about how Machu will change in the future.
So, what kind of protagonist can we even relate to? Can we really empathize with Goku or Luffy?
>>118I think they are acting normally.
I’m talking to myself again.
The reason for liking the protagonist isn’t just empathy…
It’s not about whether one gains empathy or not; rather, it feels like there’s a loss of interest in the vocabulary itself, doesn’t it?
In other words, it’s clear from episode 5 that the first episode wasn’t driven by righteous indignation.
>>127Did you understand?
Even the voice actor who played him must think, “Who is this guy?” but you’ll understand the character instantly.
Fans are amazing!
>>128According to the voice actor who played the role, it’s the director itself…
>>135If it’s a kid like Machu, that’s one thing, but being this age and doing this is way too much…
>>135If you’re the one who gave birth to her, then you understand what Machu is thinking and why she took such actions better than anyone else.
>>128Tomoyo Kurosawa said something quite harsh in the pamphlet, didn’t she?
>>154“Please enjoy the sense of whitespace and chaos.”
Somehow, it’s Amuro after all.
Simply put, the protagonist level is low.
Machu is not quite as radical as this, but I think he is somewhat privileged, and there was a time when I used to think I wanted to become something special and felt a sense of rebellion towards those around me… In that sense, I feel it’s easy to relate.
>>136It’s a common pattern, but the problem is that they made the protagonist shine without gaining any favorability at all.
>>164It’s not a problem, it’s just that kind of story, so it depends on personal preference.
Please let Bandai Namco make the business decisions.
Banaji was quite supportive.
>>137Still, I kept saying to do it, so I made my point clear.
He was a good character.
The G Gundam story is quite dark, contrary to the image.
Rather, when it comes to Machu, it has become clear what the staff wants to do more than ever before.
>>141What you want to do is clearly expressed without any wavering, which is solid.
So I think if the storyline decided by the production side is something that makes sense, it will likely end on a good note.
>>141What?
>>170Making someone dislike you.
>>177I don’t think that’s the case, but it’s hard to deny the current situation…
>>141I understand that you want to let Machi do something, but using strong phrases like “the best ever” so easily is…
I think favorability is more important than empathy.
Neither of them is with Machu…
I can’t become a hero or a villain, but I didn’t think it would end up meaning that literally, did you?
The part about putting in effort for the person you love.
I have a little doubt that anyone would suffice just because I want something sparkly, and it makes me anxious.
If it’s empathy, then it would be Suleta.
I’m basically like that too.
>>149Stuttering can be treated.
>>149You should think about how to interact with your mother.
>>168It’s normal to ask your parents for their opinion or seek their judgment when you’re ultimately feeling indecisive, right?
There should be righteous indignation, right?
In contrast, the regular person’s effective brakes are broken.
It’s just a mix of the adolescent desire to be special.
Actually, it’s a pattern where they aren’t even the main character.
A stage setting to guide the true protagonist like in For the Barrel.
>>151I think so, and I believe they will be fired in the second season.
Some staunch proponents of the single-term theory deny it, but…
>>165Since the original person behind Machu was involved in an affair, I can imagine that Tsurumaki would want to impose a tragic end on them and execute a form of vigilante justice.
>>151Aren’t all the others besides this child also a bit off…?
>>167Nyaan seems to understand things pretty well, except when it gets confusing, then they might end up killing someone.
I don’t think there were many protagonist characters with image-level blame directed at others, who were feeling frustrated in a privileged environment…
The only common trait of Machu as a protagonist is the reckless anger that arises from feeling righteous indignation when seeing oppressed people.
Well, the storytelling that doesn’t allow for decent activity is to blame.
I think it’s fine for the protagonist to be inexperienced.
If there are adults around you who can guide you
It’s not a story focused on the concept of good vs. evil, but I still want the protagonist to generally possess goodness.
That’s why I’m not very good at places like where Sessen, Crankney, and Mika are, before starting to fight the Trinities.
>>157If anything, it’s like Machu is currently engaged in a righteous battle against evil.
If you have a strong sense of justice, you would naturally question a situation where people die unnecessarily.
Will the protagonist redeem their tarnished name?
Maybe I’ll be treated well by Sharia and turned into a bullet.
It’s amazing how someone told you to quietly go home from your dark part-time job, yet you keep falling deeper.
You only showed a glimpse of being a great pilot in the first episode.
It is harder to empathize with those who stray from the path despite being more ordinary than those in special circumstances.
I think they are just an ordinary protagonist, even though they are not a hero.
“Like Al from Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team”
Machu cannot empathize.
I can’t even understand.
I cannot sympathize.
>>173I feel sorry if they are being treated as a toy for the director’s特殊な嗜好.
The protagonist can be established as long as they embody the theme, so empathy is not a necessity.
Even in the literary works featured in the Japanese language textbooks, there were often times when you couldn’t empathize with the protagonist, right?
Considering that, I have learned to think about what message the story conveys through the protagonist’s experiences and thoughts.
Whether it’s empathy, likability, or understanding, I think that trio lacks all of them.
While I want to see what the future holds, it feels close to wanting to see the end result of the East Yokokids’ experience.
It seems like I prefer people who are not ordinary rather than Shuji.
I can understand that someone who just wants something shiny can relate to anyone, but it’s still understandable as that kind of character.
>>176I wonder if people think the unusual green man is ordinary because of his demeanor or if they can recognize how strange he is.
When I think that episode 7 went as expected, it’s clear that the character who falls and breaks down is completely consistent.
>>180It seems that Shuji’s lack of substance is part of that as well.
Machu should wear a strange mask for the last time next time.
Is there still anyone who doesn’t understand why Machu is such an idiot?
>>186Teach me.
If it was as intended by the creators, then what can we say…
>>188I can imagine that the creators intended it this way, but whether it’s interesting or something I can like is another matter.
>>214However, if the goal is to be criticized, then the story changes.
Even if the Machu-related content isn’t interesting or likable, incorporating elements from the old works guarantees a certain level of success.
>>188Even though the creators write it as a good piece, stories that I find to be trash are surprisingly stress-free to watch.
Whether to join in or not, if it goes as intended.
Even when we talk about empathy, it doesn’t have to mean that you fully identify with the protagonist’s circumstances as if it’s your own. It can also mean feeling intense anger towards a despicable villain or feeling the urge to help someone who looks like they might die at any moment. I believe sharing those moment-to-moment emotions with the characters can also be called empathy.
>>191The word empathy is being used in various meanings and is causing confusion.
That’s why.