>>3

The gym… will create a large number and launch an offensive against the enemy empire.

Dragoon… mass-produced to launch an offensive against the enemy empire.

…Well, it’s somewhat the same in that it was created together, and aside from tactics, the situation on the battlefield is also one-sided in a similar way.

>>8

I mean, Dragoon is the first Gundam.

You just like the words “prototype” and “experimental model,” don’t you?

In the world of anime, prototype machines prioritize performance over cost.

Mass-produced machines are often treated as if it’s enough to just have the numbers!

Many boys instinctively reject the fact that mass-produced machines are superior once they become adults.

Prototypes should have romance and be strong!

>>5

Well, if you’re an adult, you should understand realistic development products and enjoy the fiction’s lies.

The lack of technology led to the division of functions among three units.

The reasonable development background is that data has gathered and can now be integrated all at once.

In the beginning, the gym was overwhelmed, but it was only the early production models that were hastily manufactured in large quantities.

It seems that once production stabilized, they had a series of consecutive victories…

>>9

It’s said that in the early days, there were cases where they just built it without paying any attention to the manual.

This is a prototype made for creating this thing.

Of course, that’s natural.

>>11

It feels like there is a strong sense that Jim was added later regarding Odessa.

The Dom is quite challenging, but for something like the Rick Dom, that’s understandable.

Moreover, because it’s cheap, if you recreate this in the game, the Zaku will cry.

It’s not just the gym, but this guy has been cornering Giganos since it was created, so being a jobber is merely a narrative convenience.

Rick doesn’t have any clear strengths when operating on the ground…

Dealing with a group that bombards you with beams in overwhelming numbers is just helpless.

>>16

That said, there aren’t enough Gelgoogs, so with the number of mass-produced mobile suits, there’s no way to definitely win against the GM… What are we supposed to do…

>>19

There is nothing that can be done.

I knew there would be a major counteroffensive, but it was already game over when a few months passed and I still couldn’t find Jaburo.

>>16

The Rick Dom is actually significantly lighter at 45.6 tons compared to the Dom’s 62.6 tons because it has lost its ground equipment.

It has a clear advantage of being able to use high output as a heavy MS while being lightweight and having a high startup.

>>88

Since Rick doesn’t have the advantage of hover movement, it has simply become a high-performance heavy MS for space use.

>>93

However! Since the aircraft’s volume remains fixed, the operating time has significantly decreased due to the volume of refrigerants and other components that are not present in the ground version!

Are you planning to turn important new recruits into space debris?! I decided to wait until the Rick Dom II for that reprimand to be reflected.

>>103

This is after losing the war!

From a broader perspective, Zeon is completely losing.

In the anime, there are noticeable scenes where Jim is being beaten up.

The sense of despair in the gym that’s clear from looking at the igloo.

The Gelgoog is surrounded by a number of enemies and getting beaten up with beam guns…

I’ve always thought that the bulky verniers on the back are nice.

The thread image is not a Jim, but a high-mobility EWAC Jim Cannon, which is terrible.

There’s no way a Giganos created like this could win against a gym.

>>23

That’s why I was expelled from the surface.

Gundam’s beam rifle… battleship class

Jim’s beam spray gun… somehow it sounds weak.

I have that image, but I wonder what it’s really like.

>>24

There is also a theory that the spray gun is simply called that because it looks like a painting spray gun without any diffusion.

It is weaker than Gundam, but it can also be said that Gundam has excessive power.

>>29

Normally, it can penetrate the power section of Musai from a distance, you know…

>>24

It’s weaker compared to a beam rifle, but if it hits, it’s no joke, so from the perspective of Zeon, both are scary.

>>24

The beam rifle is excessive in power and ammunition when used against MS.

The Rick Dom is also a connecting machine, but it underwent selection tests against the late-model high-mobility Zaku. It managed to win the selection by utilizing existing production lines while considering factors like fuel capacity, making it suitable for newcomers to return safely, despite being more peak-oriented than the late model.

The threat of the gym is that there are a ridiculous number of people with that level of performance.

From Zeon’s perspective, it’s too much of a threat.

Is the performance of the gym’s shield similar to that of a Gundam?

In that case, just having the front line with shields firing a beam spray gun would make it pretty tough for Zakus.

Moreover, the parts are also common with those of Giganos.

It’s terrible that we can produce Dragoons using the factory stolen from Giganos.

>>32

It’s great how the wild technique was created because the parent of the metal armor defected…

>>35

It’s like Dr. Minovsky from Gundam defecting.

In the first place, you don’t need a battleship’s main gun level to destroy MS.

So it’s not that the spray gun is weak, it’s just reasonable.

The performance of the Dragoon is convincing enough for those like Kane who have fought with a Dragnar.

>>38

Giganos can only laugh now…

>>41

In such a situation, an internal conflict broke out, resulting in the death of the supreme leader.

Blamed for that sin and betrayed because of the extraordinary charisma of the top ace.

At this rate, I used my trump card, the super mobile fortress, to make a bit of a comeback, but soon I started getting beaten up again.

If it comes to using hostages as a last resort, both enemies and allies will be incredibly furious.

Huh? Has the homeland fallen without me noticing???

At the final stage of such Giganos.

I don’t really understand whether Gundam is a prototype or not.

>>43

The V Operation is a prototype of the MS development plan.

It’s not just that the GM is a prototype of the Gundam, but rather that the GM is a mass-produced version of the Gundam, which was the most outstanding in the V Project.

>>49

That’s why the Gan Cannon type is a mass-produced machine in another world.

>>51

…totally normally driving the Zeon out from the surface and even advancing to conquer Solomon.

>>43

In any case, it is a prototype created as a high-end model stronger than the Zaku.

If you had properly listened to Gunjam’s advice and not treated the Gunjam team as garbage…

>>44

Even with that appearance, Gunjem is incredibly talented.

Metal armor didn’t really experience performance inflation during the development wars, did it?

A spray gun doesn’t actually spray out in a diffuse manner…

Isn’t it quite taboo for the person who made the enemy’s mobile weapon to become an ally?

I remember the ending was really dragging on.

Gundam is an excessively high-end model.

Is that really necessary for the MS? It has single-unit atmospheric reentry capabilities and all.

A beam rifle can be described as a high-end model of a rifle.

It’s a bit of a stretch for the riot police to use a Magnum gun for crowd control with the right amount of firepower, it’s like a spray gun.

From the perspective of someone being shot at, it doesn’t really matter either way; they just end up dead.

Based on a one-off high-end concept model, it’s the method used in passenger cars to create a simplified and safe budget version as a mass production model.

Not a weapon.

>>58

Well, during the time of Operation V, the Federation was also a complete novice when it came to MS.

The properly authorized model of the machine that was exiled was made as a test model for mass production, assuming it would create Dragoon from the very beginning.

>>63

Only the Cavalier was not utilized.

Was this deemed unnecessary during the testing phase?

>>69

Tears for Mr. Cavalier, who is reincarnated in a different world after going around in circles.

>>69

It’s equipment that compensates for the lack of fuel load and long-range attack capability.

Both images in the thread have been cleared…

>>69

There were plans to make the Dragoon into a mass-produced machine with a different role, just like the D Weapon.

The situation on the ground on Earth is so tense that there’s no time for specialized training for each branch of the military!

Thus, we switched to a plan to centrally operate integrated machines like the one in the thread image through data links.

>>77

It’s probably too much, isn’t it…

I can’t believe we’re still doing this after being invaded 70%.

If a beam spray gun hits directly, even a Gundam would die instantly from the impact.

If it comes to beam rifles, even a Gundam would explode on the spot if its torso is pierced.

Due to the Dragoon being heavily damaged in the earlier story, the fact that Tap and Light’s performance was better than the custom at that point when they got on this one.

I’m also giving the gym’s middle-distance dedicated ones beam rifles.

I sometimes fantasize that if I had both the Gundam and a beam spray gun, I could have taken down even more enemies.

The beam rifle doesn’t have the same power as a battleship cannon; the only weapon that could take down a Zaku in one hit was something like a battleship cannon.

At that time, the tank guns couldn’t penetrate the Zaku from the front because it was so tough.

If we compare it to guns, the OICW would be like Gundam, the X would be like a miss, and the M7 would be about the level of Gundam Mk2.

The RX-78 is because it’s the RX-7…

Although Jim and Dragoon are the main subjects of the conversation, there must be many other interesting examples as well…

>>67

In terms of Gundam, the Leo was quite high-performance even among the mobile suits in Gundam Wing.

In the first episode, they defeat Wing Gundam.

I love Cavaliers, so I was happy to see them make a comeback in that form.

The Cavalier will only end up being a full armored lagoon dedicated to space, after all.

Since electronic warfare equipment and long-range cannons already exist, no effects beyond armor enhancement can be expected.

There is a Cavalier for D-1 Custom just in terms of settings, but it’s just settings after all.

The Gigarnos side never got rid of the workhorse vibe, after all…

Things like Falcon are different, but…

From the developer’s perspective, it seemed like their impression was that cramming all the functions of three machines into one was foolish.

>>79

Even so, accepting the opinions from the field and presenting the final product is the work of a professional.

>>79

I did it! I did it! The balance is perfect!!

Are you a genius?

From the strange exterior, it felt like a different robot! At that point, it seemed like its role was over, Cavalier.

It makes more sense for mass-produced machines to be properly stable and strong, with experimental verification machines existing in the preliminary stages, and for one-off, unusually peaky special units to come out later.

The slight negativity in the main anime was because the opponent was the filth of Giganos…

Regarding the actual prototypes and production models, we are seriously doing exactly what Zaboera said.

In many cases, they are mass-produced after being improved.

The old man has a lot of unnecessary features, so the later models have a lot of things omitted even in Gundam.

>>84

Even the main weaponry has been completely removed…

The reason why Jim and Dragoon are the defeated mechs is that there are no other ally soldiers besides them.

In order to avoid just becoming a lynch mob for the allied forces, we have no choice but to let ourselves be attacked…

>>85

There are also balls and Type 61 tanks, right?

>>89

To be blunt, in terms of storytelling, that definitely has a stronger feeling of being the one who gets defeated.

>>89

In the end, they’re not MS.

After all, if both MS are not down, it will end up being one-sided.

D3, which is extremely specialized, couldn’t fully integrate the dragoon into the trinity, so its elements are simpler than those of D1 and D2.

D3 is already impressive enough without major modifications after the introduction of Dragoon, and the D3 elements of Dragoon are sufficient as well.

>>86

The D-3 is superior to the Dragoon in electronic warfare, but that’s just a comparison of individual units.

The Dragoon has a wide coverage through data links and is quite a formidable opponent in electronic warfare…

>>91

And what’s truly troublesome is that D-3 can also connect with Dragoon and data link.

Data observed by the dragoon was aggregated into D-3.

Update the analysis results instantly.

You can perform that processing in parallel within the link…

D3 is something that will be mass-produced individually as an electronic warfare aircraft.

The fall of Solomon was likely due to the solar system being the winning factor, and it wasn’t just that they could dominate solely with Gims.

Both the ball and the Type 61 played a crucial role in maintaining the front line until the deployment of the GM…

If you start saying the ball isn’t an MS, then what about the Gun Tank?

>>98

Both are MA.

>>99

There is no such setting.

>>98

Then I’ll rephrase it to say it’s not humanoid.

Well, no matter how good the performance is, in the end, it’s just a mob character, so even if they stand out, it has its limits…

>>101

So both the gym and the dragoon have unfair performance… It’s unavoidable that they are treated that way, but they can coexist.

Robot anime tends to feel strange from a military perspective due to the convenience of direction and commercial interests.

>>102

This is, of course, something that reflects the circumstances of the time.

What’s it like now? That’s definitely the Barzam shock.

Well, if you make the mass-produced units perform according to their specifications, then having a single main unit isn’t really that important, right?

>>105

Dragoon has a tendency to feel somewhat like that.

>>110

The Gunjem Unit for that purpose.

>>111

Isn’t that unit pushing super hard against the incredible mass production army the light of Giganos?

The gym’s type A has improved a little, while type B has made a slightly better improvement.

The Dom and Rick Dom are equal or superior starting from models C and D.

So the majority of those deployed in the harpsichord operation and Star One were Type A and Type B.

The number of MS deployed in Abawaku is greater on the Zeon side.

On the federal side, there are many balls, ships, and combat vessels other than Jim at a violent level.

That rogue squad is a bit too strong… Who are those guys…?

As for the dumpling doctor himself, he actually wants to have a division of roles like Team D with equipment separation for the Dragoon, right?

>>114

Because those prototypes are achieving great results…

>>114

The idea is like that.

Well, from the operational side, if one aircraft in a three-vehicle formation breaks down, everything falls apart, and it makes you think that you need three times the familiarization curriculum.

It definitely feels like a mindset of an engineer.

>>123

The concentrated multi-role aircraft has already been tested by my son at Fargen, and the evaluation has been completed.

I wanted to create a specialized dragoon, but there’s no room for that in production or operations!

Manufacturing became more relaxed in the later stages, but it feels like maintaining the status quo was more than enough.

Due to the convenience of the story, it can’t be helped, but it tends to be like a few super teams’ ultra super machines and the other numerous defeated mechs.

The performance differences of both the gym and the Zaku are really significant depending on the timing.

I haven’t watched the anime yet, but I was moved to tears by the development where Kane and the others, who were supposed to be dismissed after receiving a reward and freed from Dagger, felt they couldn’t just end it there. The professor had tuned the Daggers so that they wouldn’t lose to them.

“I’ve kept some roughness to match you guys.”

>>121

If that moves you, you should probably not watch anime.

A natural result that suggests you can win by deploying a number of high-performance mass-produced machines to the battlefield.

>>125

If you try to defect your country’s main weapon’s authority along with a prototype, this is what will happen.

It’s a story like that.

I like the times when Kane and the others ride this guy.

I think the scene where the Dragoon Custom shows up and gets overpowered by the custom type of Gebai, which is a weak mass-production machine, resulting in its arms being torn off and thrown away, is too edgy both in terms of setting and depiction.

When it comes to mass-produced machines, I imagine the armor is thinner than the original model.

>>130

I tried making it with rare metals!!!! How is it!!!!

I said it was a prototype designed for mass production!!!!

I can vividly imagine a conversation like that…

>>136

>>130

I also see that some special abilities are omitted because they are ethically questionable or require special qualities, making them inaccessible to just anyone.

In Super Robot Wars, the true strength of Dragoon lies more in its combination attacks than in its machine performance… so in a way, it’s a perfect reproduction of the original.

>>131

In a coordinated move, surrounding a stronger opponent and pressing the attack relies on experience.

If the mass-produced machines have quite an impact, then the Zaku from Seed was also doing quite well.

I struggled the whole time until I received the training from the master old man after the filth came out.

>>134

If anything, training is instant, so it isn’t really useful, and Gilgazamune will come next time after the training, so I only won against Gunjem with my abilities once before the training.

Looking at it as a whole, that episode was really something else.

I think it was good that performance alone isn’t enough to win, but that you can overturn a disadvantage depending on how you operate it.

As expected, losing events don’t become popular.

When it comes to Valkyries and Scopedogs, there is especially no longer any consciousness of being mass-produced machines.

>>137

As a basic premise, the main character’s machine is a mass-produced model.

The Jinx is exceptional for a mass-produced machine, isn’t it?

>>141

The fact that it’s prepared for an ultra ace already sets it apart in terms of level.

It’s scary that there are crazy people who would dismantle such a super high-end machine and reuse the parts instead of actually riding it.

I would prefer something that’s like a specially tuned high-end production model.

However, the jinx of the first season has a strong attribute of being ultra-weapons, which is a small number for mass-produced units.

Well, it’s rough around the edges, but it’s like saying we made the armor thinner, so that alone reduced the cost.

The unfortunate thing about the thread image is that there are no playable games.

>>148

In Super Robot Wars, sometimes when a guest character is available for just one stage, it makes you want them to be given permanently.

Well, nobody’s going to ride it anyway.

>>158

The basic performance is higher than Dragoon, but it lacks a combination technique, so it’s lacking in decisive power.

One-off custom machines that only specific individuals can ride and are incredibly strong is the context of transformation heroes.

The Erutemis family, which is better off being cleansed of its troubles, includes a prototype with expensive paper armor that has difficult maneuverability, as well as a derivative model that features decreased cost and improved maneuverability. While there are no issues with the blueprints, once assembled, the armor has a flawed structure that opens up.

I think the jinx is like a B2 bomber in reality; it’s not meant to be used up, and what’s important is that it increases the possibilities of what can be done.

After all, the ones easily defeating Dragoon and Jim are mostly the top ace enemies.

It is only natural that the improved Dragoon 3 machines and Gundams cannot win against opponents they struggle against.

>>154

(The Mob Giganos army gets defeated quickly in the prologue)

>>153

Well, I just haven’t touched the specialized performance.

The main body can now fly with a lifter, and the weapon has been upgraded to a handheld photon bazooka to increase firepower.

The electronic warfare capability of D3 is seriously at a level that I’ve only seen in works like Nadesico.

>>156

If it reaches the Nadesico level, it could completely change the battlefield and turn it into a one-sided game.

>>163

I will hack on a super-wide scale.

I did it.

…I’ll loosen it just a little, so please go settle things.

>>163

Nadeshiko is really doing boson jumping all the time.

D3 has some seriously convenient features, and I’m able to use the light properly too…

If it had happened to be D3, it would have been over.

>>159

It was a miracle that there was a straight-A student like Light among that trio.

Are there any robot anime where they switch from a prototype to an advanced model based on mass production?

Is Macross a mass-produced machine from the beginning?

>>160

If it’s Macross, wouldn’t the movie version of Δ be like that?

Kairos Plus is supposed to be a VF and is likely an enhanced version of the officially mass-produced machine.

The feeling of despair in Virgo is good, isn’t it?

I feel like the original idea for the terrifying triple attack came from Dragoon and Dora.

You’re the worst, Miwa Mamoru.