If it’s the Kurobon group, the above policy applies; if it’s Roland, the basic reason is that the opponent is a former comrade; and if it’s Kio, it’s because when he tries to kill, the opponent’s suffering and hatred flow into his brain, and these reasons are depicted.

>>1

Have we talked about anything since receiving freedom?

I’ve written about the process leading up to that point, but it seems that the anime hasn’t really touched on what happens after the character begins not to kill.

I’m fed up with killing and being killed!!!

>>7

Are you okay?

>>7

It was before the movie, but I found it funny that there was an increase in understanding of Kira due to the workplace cat meme.

>>7

(I must have misread it as “I was talking” instead of “I was aware”…)

>>18

The presence of the one who opens the narrative…

>>18

So this is the Newtype…

You were totally concerned about Tooru and Nicol, weren’t you?

In terms of description, the killing match has become a trauma, and after the deadly battle with Aslan, my mental state is completely falling apart.

Also, in the end, killing Cruze affected him a lot in the novel version.

You were talking to Athrun quite soon after getting your freedom, right?

If you deploy a mobile suit where the pilot dies no matter what hits it thanks to armor made entirely of explosives, can it be easily defeated?

>>17

When there’s nothing else that can be done, I’ll do it.

>>19

I couldn’t help but laugh when they said this in the interview.

Well, that’s true. In the chaotic environment back then, it would turn out that way!

If you really have no choice but to not roll around, I’ll guide you.

>>20

When it’s really impossible, I cut things off like during destroy, and although it’s said that there are casualties due to interference with Minerva’s Tannhauser, it’s not like I’m trying to be that fastidious or protective.

The policy is to avoid killing as much as possible because I don’t want to kill.

I couldn’t help but think, why did they just kill Orphe and Ingrid so normally?

Since I’d be executed even if I were to live, well… yeah…

>>22

I’m fed up with killing and being killed; I don’t want to go through such painful experiences anymore! That’s why I refuse to kill.

If you’ve made up your mind, then give it your all and kill it.

>>22

In order to protect the mind from mental strain, I will not kill as much as possible.

Lacus Barrier!! After it was installed, Kira thinks he can kill with resolve, especially since the opponent is a threat to Lacus.

>>28

It’s scary how Kira’s expression becomes even colder from the point when Orphe starts insulting Lacus.

>>28

You could say that Kira was just being selfish.

There was a time when saying this would make a lot of fans really angry.

>>39

It’s not bad, right…?

It’s being portrayed as a character like that in the story, which is why they are being made to not kill.

>>28

I feel like after Freedom, Kira might stop killing for a good reason.

I don’t think they will kill recklessly as before.

>>66

It’s not like I’m originally fighting with the absolute intention of not killing, so isn’t that unchanged?

>>70

Do you feel like that hurdle might be lowered? I’m sorry I can’t put it into words well…

>>22

The moment you turn a blade against your beloved partner, it becomes an absolute judgment of unforgiveness, even if it’s not Kira.

It’s foolish to let the enemy live while you or your allies die, and if you can kill them, it’s better to do so, but since it’s an anime, it doesn’t always work that way.

I think it’s fine to say that both Kio and the Major basically don’t like it…

>>30

I don’t think anyone is saying why we’re not discussing it just because we haven’t talked about it, right?

>>30

It’s only natural that those who readily want to kill people are rare.

I think it’s fine to depict the reasoning behind taking a deliberately high-difficulty action.

As a man who loved the same woman, if his attitude towards Lacus had been decent, I might have tried to avoid killing him as much as possible…

After Camille broke through the enemy’s valute with the flying armor during re-entry, when he saw that other enemies could do the same but chose not to, he felt a conflict between thinking that one-sided slaughter was unappealing and the desire to seize the opportunity to act when he could, leading to two opposing thoughts in his mind.

>>33

In the first place, Z is not like an extinction war, but rather has the nature of asserting legitimacy against each other.

Isn’t there a lot of depiction that pays attention to the rules?

Kira carries the lives he has taken on his shoulders.

The curse of Kruze, which should not exist, is also incredibly effective, right?

I saw a profile of a fujoshi who said that Kirak, Lelouch, and Ikki (from Fafner) are all like the Virgin Mary.

Well… it’s one thing for Ikki, but as for Kira and Lelouch, I wonder if they are like a Holy Mother…

It’s tragic that someone with such a personality, who can’t even kill a bug, feels they have no choice but to fight to protect the people they’ve become close to.

The desire for someone not to die and the desire not to kill them coexist perfectly…

Even when I was cutting down battleships with Meteora, it wasn’t because I was against the spirit of not killing; I just didn’t want to do it, but I had no choice but to do it.

>>45

If you leave it alone, the plant will blow up with a nuclear explosion.

When it comes to attacking the Messiah in Destiny, there is often no mercy.

Because everyone is weak.

>>46

From CE71 to CE75, it’s really unfortunate that the scope of “everyone” changes from Ark Angel to “the world.”

>>46

What on earth does it mean for me to have that resolve…?

>>57

A management-controlled society that accurately assesses aptitude may indeed eliminate war and bring happiness, but if humanity were to abandon free will, there would be no progress! Denying the Destiny Plan might take us back to a world filled with chaotic wars, but in this struggle for freedom, it means “I am prepared to fight.”

At the time of the broadcast, I was like “Huh!?”, and because I made this declaration of determination, the Mental Kira-san at the beginning of FREEDOM was created.

The determination to fight and “everyone is weak (≈ the range that needs to be protected is too large)” are not contradictory.

>>74

I’ve been doing it ever since you told me to stop.

It’s because everyone is weak, Major General.

>>57

The determination to fight.

The determination to tell others to fight is a different matter.

Kira was able to do the former, but not the latter.

>>57

Because I have made up my mind, I’ve been bearing it all alone until I reach my limit, so isn’t there really nothing at all?

Himura Kenshin, who is often referred to as the origin of “no killing.”

During puberty, they killed a lot of people and reached their mental limit, saying, “I’d rather not kill or be killed.” By the end of the war, they became a hero, leaving behind the legend of “Hitokiri Battosai” as a guerrilla swordsman, but vanished while still carrying the trauma of having killed people… having experienced almost the same thing as the original.

Even though I don’t want to fight, I have no choice but to fight; that’s consistent.

I became strange due to stress.

>>52

“For those who had an image of a character like ‘the kind Kira who fights by sacrificing himself for his comrades'”

I think it was just that I couldn’t accept the selfish portrayal in Dragon Ball GT.

>>65

Indeed, it felt like there was a lively and contentious atmosphere in the past threads about Seed Destiny with that kind of nuance.

It’s like the image in my head doesn’t match the actual depiction.

“Get a grip… or you’ll die, you know? What Heine said was actually right.”

If you kill someone while struggling with your feelings, your mental health will break down.

Certainly, there were a lot of voices saying that Kira is really self-centered, but those were treated as anti opinions in Destiny.

I never expected that it would lead to a somewhat correct interpretation through the movie.

Is there any reason needed other than that I don’t want to kill, yet I kill, and my friend is killed, and then I have to seriously fight to the death with my best friend?

>>58

Well, it’s obvious that not everyone who is fighting in a war wants to kill.

>>67

I think there is quite a difference between fighting a war with a certain level of resolve, even if you dislike it, and being thrown onto the battlefield without any time to prepare or accept it.

What will happen to the MS that lost its head and arms? Even if you ask that, compared to the pain of being shot in the cockpit and dying, it doesn’t matter at all.

>>60

If it weren’t for CE, Daruma MS would probably be collected randomly and become a prisoner or something.

Because it’s CE, there are places where it might just be left as Daruma or seems likely to be defeated.

>>60

In the first place, the depiction shows that a distress signal was properly sent out and they were rescued.

>>138

Not everyone can survive like that, but there’s no room to consider such things.

That may be true, but calling someone selfish will certainly generate resistance.

Anyone would reach their mental limit and it would become impossible…!

That’s a really serious reason, like Kio.

And when I think about it, doesn’t this apply to all NT members… ?

It has been so many years since the SEED generation directly hit that they should have already grown up, yet they still only say the same things over and over.

>>69

In the first place, the one that was causing the most chaos during the time of the species is already the old man of the Universal Century a long time ago, so he can’t change.

I’m tired of killing.

Speaking of non-killing, there’s also UC episode 4, right?

>>75

The issue with that is that it significantly deviates from the original novel and places the blame on Ridi, which is not good.

>>80

I changed the development from the novel, but with this, Banaji can’t shoot, right!?

How about Lidii from there? Doesn’t it fit with the future developments? → That’s it! That’s the background behind it…

>>75

In Kirara’s case, it seems like shooting would further torment her heart.

I feel sorry for the fact that otaku have been stuck with catchy phrases like this and those for FF13, which were randomly made up in magazines.

It’s rather consistent in that it’s for the sake of my companions, isn’t it?

>>78

I’ve seen countless comments over the past 20 years saying that non-killing does not contribute to the well-being of comrades and is rather dangerous.

>>90

Well, it’s an unfounded remark, isn’t it?

>>78

In that sense, I think that the concept of not killing became a target of so much response because it is not an action for the sake of comrades.

As much as possible, I avoid killing, but when I do, I kill consistently.

(Should I kill this guy…?) The state of mind that allows one to romantically engage as if nothing happened after ruthlessly shooting down Orphe.

Orpheus is too hated, isn’t he…?

>>82

I haven’t done anything to be liked.

From the perspective of the brigadier general, Shin was a character that would weaken if he became an ally.

>>86

Strength and weakness probably don’t matter much.

That’s precisely why Mu-san also died on night duty (though he didn’t actually die), and now that we’ve become family, I think we’ve put him into the category of those we have to protect.

>>96

I didn’t want to stand out too much because of the need to protect it…

I don’t know how to put it, but I’ve become someone who does everything by themselves.

>>86

Because of the high level of favorability, I tend to hesitate to step forward when considering the time that has been lost, Major General.

I didn’t want to become a hero, did I?

It’s been almost a decade since people actively used to say things like “Kira prioritizes his own” when defending Kira’s moves in the Death Note series, but I haven’t seen that much lately.

So I’ll shoot! With my proud MS! Thoroughly!

Isn’t that something that can’t be helped? If it’s war (you ended up killing people because you were swept up in the situation, right?)

Aslan is annoyed internally by Kira, who prioritizes his family because he thinks about things from a global perspective, according to the director’s statement.

In the first place, Camille has largely stopped killing from around the middle, right?

Roland has been doing it from the beginning.

Kira is doing her best to survive, but it starts to feel like it’s taken for granted by her friends, and in the end, they end up killing each other’s best friends and fighting to the death with each other, so it’s really messed up.

If you say it’s selfish, then sure, but it’s not like I do it because I like it, nor do I have any pride in being able to handle the Gundam better than anyone else like Amuro, who is in a similar situation.

Have there been situations where you didn’t kill when your companions were in danger?

>>103

Is it the time of Eternal Rescue from Seed of Death?

>>109

Also, what about the Impulse battle?

I still don’t know which one it is.

>>117

The anti was getting completely excited, saying, “I aimed for the cockpit!!”

It’s not just SEED that says it’s fine to just incapacitate the enemy if it’s not an emergency.

For some reason, there was a common perception online that soldiers inevitably kill people.

>>104

If you’re a professional soldier, killing people is part of the job.

>>108

Well, that’s just the result, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that killing is required.

The reason my original Gundam character in my head doesn’t kill is “because incapacitating is more challenging.”

>>105

So, by receiving freedom, a comprehensive gap in our abilities was created, which allowed us not to kill each other.

>>113

That’s not right because it was done when Strike was on in Seed Destiny as well.

>>105

I just learned about your original pilot setting for the first time.

I’ve been wondering about it for a long time.

>>114

So after defeating them, I lose interest, and whether they live or die doesn’t matter to me, so I just leave the incapacitated enemy in space and go back.

How should I put it…

I feel the zeitgeist of the time when it was convenient to portray him as a cool hero.

Looking back calmly now, I realize I was at my limit and completely broken.

I’ve always thought that Kira tends to be somewhat self-centered and has a disposition that avoids conflict in human relationships.

>>107

Their abilities are incredibly high, but their mental state is just average for their age…

It’s just that it has the ability to immobilize the opposing MS and the performance of the machine, that’s why it’s immobilizing it.

The theme of the SEED series strongly suggests that rather than choosing not to kill, it’s more about having the ability to do so and then doing it.

On the contrary, if you watch the first half of SEED, it’s hard to interpret that Kira has a strong aversion to killing people.

>>111

Even in the death of seeds, Minerva is ruthlessly cut through, causing casualties…

>>121

If you have a feeling of aversion but there are no other options, you have no choice but to do it.

>>121

I just opened the thread and read the first response, but I think you should read from the beginning.

>>111

The evacuees dropped from the shuttle crying, crying in the desert while fighting with a tiger, crying because Aslan was defeated by Thor, and crying because I ended up fighting with Aslan…

I think the screenwriter believes they can cloud Kira as much as they want.

>>111

The scene of shooting the reconnaissance-type gin is easy to understand, right?

If possible, I don’t want to shoot, so please don’t notice and go home… and in the end, it’s a scene that mentally wears you down by putting my friends in danger.

The dramatic reason might be something we think about later, but the starting point was when the director had the idea during a meeting while thinking about the concept of “freedom” that if all artillery fired simultaneously, everything would turn out to be a glancing blow.

>>112

Well, if that could be done, it would be an overwhelmingly strong new model! It’s cool!! It’s a convincing expression, isn’t it…

That’s why I end up being called arrogant.

Weapons with high firepower like Minerva’s cannon and Destroyer are generally strict.

The issue with Seed Destiny is that it’s more of a problem that they were flirting with Lacus rather than targeting the pilot alone.

In works set in the Universal Century, it’s easy to overlook opponents who have been considerably neutralized.

It’s something I’ve been doing since I was on Strike, and with the mobile suits after Freedom, it has become even easier, making it visually clearer.

If we don’t either kill the enemy pilot or at least capture them, it becomes difficult to maintain the front lines.

It’s too cruel to just crush their limbs and weapons and leave them in the battlefield! Killing them is the kinder option! I’ve seen so many responses with that kind of argument in the past.

I was thinking about which is more cruel: the possibility that the booster itself, being alive, could return to the mothership, or completely eliminating that possibility and killing it.

Too kind Superman

Because you guys are weak, I have to do everything, or everyone will die.

I don’t want to kill anyone.

…There’s no way I can attain enlightenment.

>>129

If one were truly enlightened, they would have withdrawn from war and not gotten involved from the beginning.

>>140

Then it turned into a big deal…

>>143

If you get swept away by the situation, before you know it, things can become serious, just like in the previous work.

The average Gundam fan is one that is fired up about exterminating the Zeon people.

It’s frustrating to watch Kirara not kill, I understand.

I like the idea of sparing them alive to prevent the enemy from allocating personnel for their rescue, thus restraining their operational actions.

So, does that mean that Raoul Ducroux was right?

>>135

“‘Power is not everything to me!’ Kira said, to which Krouze replied, ‘Who understands that?’ But in reality, at that time, it seems that both fans and critics were only focused on Kira’s power.”

It seems like the people who criticized it have probably never seen the scene where Camille shows mercy to the enemy in Z.

I only knew about past works through Super Robot Wars.

I think Kira wouldn’t understand that this is a timing where someone has to be killed.

They probably don’t have confidence in such a judgment themselves.

Rescue MS also appeared normally in the story, didn’t it?

If possible, I don’t want to kill, but the situation hasn’t allowed me to do that from the very beginning.

>>145

I think Kirara has been like that from the beginning, and honestly, I believe most of the people involved in war are like that too.

It’s just that I want to do it but can’t, so I’m not doing it.

Kira being preached about not killing in Super Robot Wars.

Otaku who admire.

>>146

It’s okay for children! You have an escape device, so you’re not killing anyone! Yet, it was rather incomprehensible that they were especially hard on Kira while involving others in the war…

Are you watching Gundam with a level of comprehension that you can’t understand unless it’s clearly stated?

>>147

Anyone can watch Gundam, you know?

>>147

I think Kira’s no-kill philosophy is generally hard to understand.

If that were not the case, opinions among the fan base wouldn’t be so varied over the span of 20 years.

>>155

From the looks of this thread, it just seems like the illiterate are making a fuss.

>>147

If you don’t say it out loud from beginning to end, there’s no way anyone will understand, you fool. I feel like I’ve been doing this since the first generation…

In the case of DESTINY, it’s one thing, but for the original series, it’s generally about having some foreshadowing or setup for why this character is acting like this.

Sometimes it feels like you’re only following anime through lines of dialogue while thinking you’re criticizing it.

>>148

If you were watching the main story, you wouldn’t view it that way… There have always been a certain number of people like that.

Maybe I haven’t seen it.

>>148

Not only have I not seen SEED, but there are also many Gundam series from the Universal Century that I haven’t watched.

Camille has been called insane for a long time.

I really think it’s good that the pitiable side of the major general has been revealed.

Finally saved.

>>150

The Strike Freedom has been thoroughly beaten up, which somehow alleviates my frustration.

I didn’t like the criticism of plot armor in Seed Destiny either.

First of all, in the case of Sparking, they often bring up stories from the PS2 era and talk about them…

Aren’t you just saying that because you don’t like SEED and haven’t really watched it, so your memory is vague?

It’s hard to understand because Shin gets angry and says things like “If it had been a beam, I would have died” after colliding with the railgun cockpit in the Seed Destiny Strike Freedom.

At that time, Kira was already thrashing around in the cockpit from the impact, so I thought it would be possible to neutralize him, but there were various factors like the possibility of the arm getting burned due to the position of the belly beam, and the fact that it was difficult to aim because I had to parry with the Anti-Ship Sword.

Rather, it’s crazy that Shin is almost completely unscathed.

I feel that the painful circumstances and the stylish combat presentation somehow didn’t match.

>>162

I don’t think it would have been as well received if they had done a plain combat presentation.

In other words, the trend of killing enemies we don’t know are prisoners in the CE world is actually abnormal.

It’s become commonplace in CE…

I don’t mind non-lethal actions, but I don’t really like the type where someone else has to pay the price.

Manga version of the war chronicles, etc.

It’s not acceptable for a professional to adopt a simple-minded idea like thinking that just bashing Kirara would appeal to robot otaku…

>>167

That’s why Super Robot Wars has declined…

When I watched it in high school, I thought Aslan from Seed Destiny was terrible!

Now that I’m in my 30s, looking back, Aslan is 18 years old… It’s wrong to make such a boy the boss of a 16-year-old child, isn’t it?

>>168

It’s applicable to all Gundam series, so it could be considered null… or rather, it may apply to children’s works in general.

It’s not that everyone looks down on the weak; it’s just that the capable version of myself, which was created that way, feels the need to take it all on.

If a disaster-level force like Kira intervenes, then they’ll stop killing each other.

Right now, it’s become mainstream to hit that Z thing in reverse.

I had a great time with that.

There were so many of these things; it was overwhelming, the internet back in the day.