I killed Daikun.

I dropped my cane.

Peace negotiations

>>4

Don’t do it when you think you can win with Solar Ray.

>>11

Revil doesn’t know about the Solar Ray, so it just seems like a desperate plea for peace from a leader of a nation on the brink of defeat.

>>6

Since it’s the second time, I’ve gotten a little used to it.

>>9

It’s the third time…

Is it really okay to suddenly show up for peace negotiations without an appointment?

>>7

Because sovereignty was already in the hands of Gihren, we had no choice but to act independently.

Even the people in the Federation were like, “Huh? Why is Degwin here?”

I’ve been in a de facto retirement state since before the One Year War started, and it’s just going nowhere.

>>13

However… for Kysiria…

>>17

To be honest, I don’t think Kycilia cares that much either; I just think she used killing her brother as a pretext to seize command.

>>49

Well, Kishiria has quite a strong affection for her family.

>>53

It’s true that there are feelings for family, but don’t you think the emotions toward Ghiren are quite strong as a political rival?

>>57

Even though it has turned into a situation where everything except my own ship has been destroyed, I am rushing to Gihren’s side with a rescue fleet.

Then I killed my dad.

In Yassan’s manga, the grandpa has rich expressions of joy, anger, sadness, and happiness, making him a fun character.

>>15

I’m getting older, and on top of that, my career is already reaching its peak.

The only motivation for life left is probably just wanting to see my grandchildren’s faces.

>>15

I wanted to become independent for everyone in Side 3, but for some reason, the eldest son is about to kill half of humanity and is on the verge of losing.

It’s strange that anyone could keep up, let alone have any motivation.

>>27

No, if it’s the lightning operation that Gihren planned, we would win with ease.

Due to Degwin hesitating and missing out on Revil, it has turned into a quagmire.

Next to Gihren, who is trying to do something about it with a solar ray, Degwin is trying to surrender completely.

>>32

If Degwin hadn’t done anything after catching Revil in the room, we would have won.

>>37

It’s only Gireen who can still believe that things should go well as I imagined, even though things haven’t been going as planned.

>>45

No matter how much you deny it, it’s an official setting that if Revil hadn’t fled, the Federation would have been close to surrendering in peace talks.

If this guy hadn’t let Revil escape in the first place, we would have won before Garma died, which is really terrible.

Does the fact that Gihren is in power mean that all Zeon people like Gihren?

>>20

Yes

If it’s delivered in Ginga Banjou’s voice, you could probably forgive any nonsense they do, right?

>>20

Because the citizens of Zeon declared that they are a chosen superior race, right?

If it’s found out that we’re using a solar ray, it would just result in dispersion, so it can only be used as a surprise attack against fleets and can’t be used as a threat.

Hey, why do you know about the Colony Laser and the Titans fleet is clustered together?

In that situation, the highest-ranking rebel had to go because someone in this position arrived.

I went.

I died.

The Zabi family is somewhat similar to the Yamamori group from Battle Without Honor or Humanity.

If you get serious, you’ll become Degwin Sodo Zabi.

>>28

It’s only natural that the Degin Cannon is impressive, given that it’s the best time for having many children in the Universal Century.

If Darsia hadn’t been negotiating for peace on this person’s orders, Side 3 might not have come out unscathed.

Additionally, Degwin was exhausted because he had to rely on Dykun’s influence even after the assassination, and also because his wife and second son had died one after another.

Giren doesn’t show it on his face, but he is quite sad about the death of his family.

>>35

I’ll take that as it is and let it be used for political purposes too…

>>36

Politicians turn even the death of their relatives into work…

Degin (62)

Johnny Depp (61)

Revil x Degwin is good, isn’t it…

>>41

Deguin also says that he is that kind of man.

Looking back, it’s horrible that Kshyria, who started pretending to be the commander after killing Gihren in that situation, is now trying to run away because it’s disadvantageous.

>>42

That’s true, but the way you say it!

Giren loves his family a lot more than what the thread images, Kshyria, and Dozle think.

Political exploitation is rampant.

>>43

Too smart.

They are so smart that they can understand without needing to put it into words, which is why their communication with others is lacking.

>>46

The person with the jar is also this type, isn’t he?

It’s Hitler’s tail.

Even Sharia says, “You said it would end in a month, and it’s been a year.” regarding Girren.

>>48

If Degwin hadn’t interfered, it would have actually ended around that point, so I think Gihren is amazing.

>>48

There is enough generosity to not get angry over something like that.

>>48

Too many people have died… so when I’m in front of my dad, I’m just pretending to be strong, right, Gihren?

If I could die protecting my family, I suppose that’s quite commendable for a man of the Zabi family.

The upper echelon of Zeon has many who failed precisely because they were overly capable.

>>56

The talents were overflowing enough for the family to rule dictatorially.

It became like an evil empire because it could only perform a family dictatorship…

The Federation is losing even in Ruum normally.

From Gihren’s perspective, it’s just too ridiculous, old man.

I think Gihren carefully keeps the portrait drawn by Shota Garma.

Even if you had thoughts about your father, killing Gihren in that situation and causing chaos is quite something, isn’t it?

>>63

A man who would shoot his own father in the unique state of the Principality of Zeon has no chance of maintaining the country anyway…

>>69

I understand your feelings, but shooting in that situation is just! I really get your feelings, but as expected, it’s getting worse rather than better!

It is sad that the one who wanted to kill even more than half of humanity was my son.

But I’m the one who raised such a crazy person.

The Droas that Gihen was counting on sank in no time, and the Gelgoog’s movements are not good—what’s going on? Is it student mobilization? Hah, they’re useless, and there wasn’t enough time or anything to come up with a similar plan that was in Gihen’s brain, which was just blown to bits while he took command.

Hey… big bro, I don’t need something this huge, just send the MS team, please…

>>68

It was amazing when I tried moving it! Mass production! Mass production! It’s going to be a headache for Gire!

I think that while Kishiria is excellent as a bureaucrat for slapping an adult in public and indirectly demanding a tough mentality from subordinates, it’s quite disappointing as a field commander.

>>70

Because it’s a girl who rides around on a flying blue onion at the ground base while doing the Hyoroi and female executive moves with Ma?

Degwin’s goal is the independence of Side 3 and the political participation of the space inhabitants.

It seems understandable that people are shocked by Ghiren’s extreme desire to reduce the human population on Earth to less than 50 million.

>>71

I wanted them to be completely taken aback by the colony drop or even at the stage of supporting the attack on the colony before that…

>>71

It’s only natural for there to be conflict because fundamentally our thoughts are different.

I think it’s Gihren’s weakness that he didn’t swiftly deal with potential political enemies before the war.

It seems there are about 30 minutes between Giran’s death and the sinking of the Dolos, but it’s due to time constraints.

Given that my father, who must have spent his youth immersed in ideology and political struggles, constantly berating the family, has ended up like this, it’s understandable that Gihren might at least say that his father has grown old.

If you ask Giren, it’s a matter of not becoming a king if you’re going to waver.

Despite being the one who assassinated Zeon and started the war.

What’s with the lack of motivation at the end…

>>79

I thought losing my cute youngest child would be tough… War really is terrible.

>>79

I didn’t hear that you would go that far.

>>79

Even if you kill Zeon, that person’s influence will remain!

Char and Gihren… this is definitely doable… too honest to the impulse!

So the question is, how were you planning to become independent?

>>84

At that stage, we can still discuss and gather supporting colonies, with military force being a last resort.

>>87

I don’t think there is any room for discussion since they are dispatching battleships to intimidate Side 3, which is protesting against Origin.

It seems like Kycillia can be killed too, so I took it easy on my brother as well.

Aliens are savage.

In Origin, there’s a scene where Garma’s safety is prioritized so much that even Gihren seems a bit taken aback.

>>86

I understand your feelings, but it was no good to react as if we should be a bit more polite…

When I read Origin, they didn’t seem like such a bad person.

>>88

They just want to seek their own independence; they have no resentment or desire to destroy the Earth.

Upon closer inspection, it turns out that the entire family is filled with assassinations, and the only one who died in a proper battle is Dozle…

Well, if my brother killed our parents, would I be next…?

Yassan draws characters that yell and scream with great vitality…

Surprisingly, there are parts that are quite naive, or rather, very human-like in Gihren.

Degin wanted to be independent.

Giren wants to completely win over the Federation while prioritizing independence and reduce the Earth’s population to 50 million.

The ambiguous background that he was appointed as the next prime minister by the great thinker Zion is the reason why Degwin is a leader, so he is not originally a king, nor does he have hereditary power to pass on to his son.

The power structure is already too distorted, and once a political struggle breaks out within the family, it becomes impossible to control it.

You’re doing things that will definitely get you shot.

On the contrary, why was Gihren shot?

>>98

If we don’t kill them there, there will be no prospects for Kshiria.

>>98

If I don’t do it here, I don’t know when my brother will kill me!!

Well, there are various theories about how General Revel managed to escape…

>>99

That said, it’s impossible to escape unless Degin helps.

>>99

There isn’t really any reason for Degin to let go.

It’s more understandable that Gihren, who didn’t want a half-hearted peace, let it slip away.

>>112

“Well, Dekin just simply wavered, right?”

>>99

There are various theories regarding the background and content of the speech.

>>114

Was the first appearance in a novel?

>>99

I love the agent with a band-aid on his cheek and a hat that hides his face who appears in the corner of the cutscenes in Gihren’s Ambition…

The troublesome thing about Degwin and Gihren is that despite their appearances, they do care about family and are surprisingly obsessed with the ideals of Zeon Daikun.

Hereditary succession is really the worst!

The people who were proclaiming the idea of advancing into space and becoming a new adapted humanity are ultimately relying on their lineage, so from the beginning, it’s a distorted nation with double standards.

The end of the cat clan.

In the game, Gihren surprisingly governs quite decently, but I’m looking forward to seeing how it plays out in Zeta Plus.

Huh? Isn’t the handling of Dozul’s death too light?

I really like Giren, even though he’s quite irritating.

>>109

There is also a theory that it is irritated by Deging’s lack of a sense of crisis.

In some manga, it was written that Kishiria grew up wanting to be strong because her family was cold to her, and it seemed sad… but looking at their family relationship, I think she was actually cared for and just developed a rivalry out of that, which reminded me of that.

>>110

When Kshrelia was reincarnated, he turned out to be a pretty normal older brother.

The reincarnator resolved to turn this fellow into a splendid dictator.

If we could achieve a miraculous turnaround with Gihren’s solar ray and talk about it, Kycillia would never surpass Gihren again.

I wonder if either Degwin or Kishiria helped with the escape from Rebels.

It is hard to believe that the defeated Federation had agents infiltrated by Zeon for Revive’s escape.

If Garma were alive, everyone could temporarily put down their weapons for Garma… so it really is a big deal that Garma is dead.

There’s a family-like feeling, as I was doing a comedic manga in Dam E.

When I think of the children born during the era of the opposition parties eating cold rice, it includes even Sasuro.

It’s not such an elegant house, you know, Zabi.

In Giren’s case, he is sad but doesn’t show it, and he uses everything as he sees fit. However, Degwin was extremely sad when Garma died, while his reaction when Dozle died was somewhat restrained, so it seemed like the older brother was about to get a little angry.

Looking at it now, it’s really a character by Yoshikazu Yasuhiko.

Depending on the setting, are they all half-siblings?

Assassinated Zeon (truth unknown)

>>125

It seems that Director Tomino views it as Degwin’s doing.

I hope it remains ambiguous whether it was an assassination or a natural death, as that makes it more interesting as a mystery in history.

>>125

In the novelization of the TV and theatrical version, which was promoted as such, Degin is depicted as being Kuro.

Degin had already hit rock bottom mentally by the time Garma died in battle…

It seems that Dozle himself doesn’t really care much about it though…

>>127

Well, that’s…

Giren and Kishiria think so too, and I think Dozle would understand that he would die that way.

Well, from Giran’s perspective, what he did after he died can only be described as “I’ll kill you, dad!” and nothing else.

>>129

It is usually thought that it would be inappropriate for the prince to visit the enemy’s flagship unannounced or engage in activities like seeking asylum.

I really like the distance between Giren and Duzel.

It feels like a couple of grown men brothers!

It’s hard to understand why Degwin let them escape when the threat of having already killed half of humanity was effective and we were heading towards peace talks.

At Origin, it is said that a faction within Zeon, considering the circumstances of the area, effectively supported the continuation of the war while keeping Degwin misunderstanding the situation.

>>131

No, it’s a depiction of Degwin letting him escape because he’s really pissed off after hearing Revil’s declaration of no soldiers for Zeon.

>>134

That’s why you let Revel escape for the sake of peace, right?

Degwin and Gihren aren’t similar, right?

Duzul and Sasuro have a son-like quality.

Even someone with lofty ideals will lose their willpower as they grow old.

>>138

Well, that’s a story about not doing it.

>>140

Not many people are aware of that from the beginning!

>>138

It’s really too cruel to be treated as senile just because I gave up on various things due to my son’s craziness.

>>146

Well, if you’re thinking about independence, you have to do something like dropping a colony; otherwise, it’s impossible.

There’s no such thing as getting carried away or losing one’s mind.

>>146

Well, even before the war started, Gihren was already in a semi-retirement state, taking the main initiative…

>>146

The result of the groundwork done is probably a peace with General Revil, where both sides can still retreat.

Regarding Girell’s shooting by Kshiriya, if things continue like this, I won’t be able to win against my older brother, so the desire to kill him is at 4, serious anger towards the killing of my father is at 3, and the impulsiveness of the moment is at about 3.

Garma seems like he would be happier if someone used his death to boost morale.

>>142

Both Garma and Dozle are prepared to that extent when they enter the battlefield.

The older brother got angry at the elderly parents who excessively spoil the youngest child!

When I lose a little weight and put on goggles, I look like Colonel Basque Homme.

Degwin went to Revil after arranging matters with the council in advance.

What the hell are you doing extra!? That’s what Girelen would think, and there’s no way he couldn’t sense it beforehand, so if it was just a moment of madness, he might really consider killing.

It’s a bit late, but I’ve never seen the mother of the Zabi family.

Even if I look at various media, spin-offs, settings, and alternate universes.

I hope the truth about Zeon’s death remains undisclosed.

>>150

They’re intentionally leaving it a mystery even at the first point, aren’t they?

It is one of the reasons for the estrangement between siblings.

It’s not strange to have peace advocates, but if the top leader goes publicly, then that’s already the organization’s intention.

Kshatriya has a somewhat different impression or characterization between the original and after Origin, making it hard to discuss them together.

There’s still the usable material of Giren’s corpse, you know…

Given that Kshatriya has hoarded Odessa resources that can last for 10 years (or about 50 years), it wouldn’t be surprising if she were hanged at any time…

If you want to achieve true independence, Giren’s plan is the best, right?

>>157

It’s the most likely scenario, but considering the concentration of resentment and bitterness afterward, it’s hard to say it’s the best option.

>>167

If we can’t achieve the purpose of independence in any other way, then it can only be the best option.

I still remember the four-panel comic where Degwin panicked after hearing Dacoon’s ridiculous will and tried to cover it up by making himself the successor.

Basically, I killed half of humanity and injected poison gas into my fellow space people.

Once the momentary excitement cools down, all that will be left is regret.

I’m sad that my son died… We were supposed to quietly mourn as a family… but…

My son will hold a state funeral to boost morale! It’s all about national policy and war, and I can’t help but feel this grandfather’s psychology is like an otter…

>>164

You’re the one who started it!

The feelings towards the second son and beyond are different between the father and the eldest son.

>>165

A son who is smarter than me is definitely not cute.

I think it’s almost like how one would spoil their first grandchild.