Sotsu・Sunrise
Isn’t it just shy of being opposed?
I’ve aged…
I think war as a means is a type of choice.
I would gladly do it if there was a chance to win, but I understood that there was no chance of victory…
I became firmly opposed around the time of Garma’s death; until then, I was in the camp that was okay with war but preferred to resolve matters as peacefully as possible.
>>5
In Origin, I thought I would stop here with Revil, right? If that happened, I would have become someone who was betrayed.
I don’t want to go to war… Let’s secretly stop each other from doing so…
>>6
No soldiers in Zeon!
>>6
Zion is crap!!!
If it becomes a war of attrition, Zeon will probably have it tougher.
I’m already tired since the 1st phase…
I wonder what Degwin was like when he was young.
>>9
Weren’t you a fervent supporter of Daikun?
A person whose appearance in their youth is unimaginable.
Old man…
He might have been a beautiful boy like Garma.
So, when this old man dies, I definitely have to kill Gihren too; whether it’s the original series or the Zeke Axes world line, that world will probably come to an end.
>>15
Is Gilen really that radical…?
>>17
Giren’s ideology is that in order to ensure the survival of humanity, we must not decrease the population, which is why he aims for war and the death of many people.
>>17
When Garma died, the thread said to have a funeral just for family.
“Rise up, citizens! Sieg Zeon!”
>>24
This is correct, Gihren.
It is the duty of a ruler to inspire the people.
At the time of his death, Dyke still had hair and fighting spirit left.
I got angry during Revill’s speech, but Garma’s dead and I’m feeling down… that’s the king of Zeon.
I was watching Garma’s recording in another window while talking to Giren and laughing…
I can’t laugh…
I mean, both Gihren and Kyricia have too much fighting spirit.
Why did they grow up like that as a child?
Garma is cute, so all the older kids are radicals.
By the way, the actions of the characters in the late stages of the thread are truly indefensible.
In “Mobile Suit Gundam I,” humanity will naturally dominate space. As excellent beings, we shall rule, and the Newtypes will eternally prosper among us; we are insufficient. “Me?” “You know the name Adolf Hitler, right?………. You are a tail of that Hitler.” “Father…!” “Newtypes are different. At this time, Ghiren will faintly become a father. The ambition of Zeon Zum Deikun to establish Zeon: Does humanity create humanity? To control the overabundant humanity is not enough for us? Power-hungry humans are, after all, remnants of a bygone era.”
If my son were like this, of course, I would oppose it.
>>26
I guess they did respect Daikun’s will, after all…
>>26
After all, the contradiction of genocide for the sake of humanity is truly a sincere feeling, huh?
>>26
The novel version does not kill, so in the end, I suppose it is decided that my aging father is at peace.
Let’s get along from now on ♡
>>27
GAME
OVER
Children grow up watching their parents, so it is largely a case of their own making.
Garma’s death was also used to boost the morale of the people.
When I learned that the image board went to peace negotiations with Revil, I would have incinerated it with a solar ray.
He’s the kind of guy who only sees his own flesh and blood as a stepping stone, Gihren.
>>29
Because of this, I might end up dying this time…
If it wasn’t even used to boost morale, then it would mean Garma died in vain.
It’s Degwin’s fault for leaving on his own without consulting anyone in such a hopeless situation.
>>29
Even though he tells Dozle to use the Big Zam as a decoy to escape, Degwin doesn’t even care that Dozle is dead, which makes him internally furious. He doesn’t really think Kycillia, whom he’s supposed to have a bad relationship with, would actually shoot him. Despite being a cold-blooded dictator, Gihren is surprisingly lenient only with his family.
>>37
The government of the homeland was able to negotiate for an immediate armistice.
In other words, since the Federation was assuming peace negotiations at that timing, it’s not too late.
It’s just that Giren gets irritated at the lack of reaction in the thread when Dozle dies.
>>32
I love my siblings because they are sweet.
What can be used only explains death.
>>70
The matter with Garma is also a jab at that damn old man from my brother.
>>85
Garma is telling Iselina that the Supreme Commander isn’t as scary a person as everyone thinks.
I think he was a kind older brother.
Considering that Garma and Giren are handsome, it’s possible that this person was also a beautiful young man in their youth.
Moreover, Ghiren has a high level of charisma, so even after death…
There are not a few factions that remain and carry on Gihren’s ideals.
In the Zeke Axes world line, they’re still alive, right?
>>35
Is a bamboo art thread going to come out…?
Given the already considerable disparity in national power, the front lines have become stagnant, giving the opponent time.
If the Commander of the Earth Sector Army is killed in action, we have no choice but to use it to maintain morale!
I had seen stories suggesting that people were disheartened by Garma’s death.
In reality, when you first watch it, Garma is already dead, and it only comes up in the story then.
It feels like the time when WB, after coming down to Earth, showed a wilted attitude and then went back up to space.
There weren’t enough opportunities to understand what kind of old man he was.
In the world of Zeke Axus, it seems like I would be doting on my grandchildren.
>>41
Because she is the daughter of my dead son, that’s why…
>>41
Is that Minerva, Dozle’s daughter?
Still, I can’t believe such a cute Mineva was born from Dozle.
When my wife’s keepsake Garma died, it’s no wonder I became apathetic…
Like the children who are said to have mature faces, I am surprisingly young at 62 with this appearance.
If nothing happens in the Zieg Axis world line, I can live for another twenty or thirty years.
I’ve thought since childhood that I have a face like Katsuya Nomura.
I guess he must be retired and taking care of bonsai.
I don’t know if it’s because he doesn’t resemble me and isn’t cute, but his attitude towards Dozle is too harsh.
I think it’s quite the lowest as a parent.
It’s a bit late now, but what should I watch to understand the circumstances that led to Zeon declaring war and the relationship between the Zabi family and Daikun in Gundam Episode Zero?
Is it the thing called GeoOrigin?
>>49
Well, the closest one is probably Origin.
Basically, Daikun declares independence → the Federation conducts economic blockades and threatens with military force, causing harassment → transitions to a principality system and secretly increases military strength → leads to war.
Speaking of which, what kind of woman is the wife of the uniquely individual Zabi family?
Could it be that maybe Revil is more hawkish…?
>>51
If anything, you are a staunch hawk, Revil.
I thought they were over 80, but they were much younger.
Politicians are at their peak in their 60s, yet they are already retiring.
>>53
Because Gihren is here.
The personalities of the other kids besides Garma are too harsh.
I feel like there was a mobile suit with a silhouette like this.
>>58
Zokku
Abigol…
In the Zabi family, only Degwin and Mineva have middle names.
The other auxiliary pilots of the Big Zam have also escaped.
If it’s just the anime, you can’t tell what Deggin is thinking.
Just because of that, the novel version and the origin version aren’t just high-resolution versions of the TV show.
Giren being family-oriented in that atmosphere, what’s up with that?
It’s not so much that I’m not sad about Dozle’s death, but rather that I’ve become so emotionally detached that I’m withering away.
Since I’m in a state of depression that’s as low as it can get, I probably could only say, “Oh, I see…”
I interpreted the scene where Giran, who was having a blast with Daikun, is truly disappointed by the spineless old man.
>>71
It’s the third time with the deaths of Sasuro, Garma, and Dozle’s son, so they’ve probably gotten used to it by now.
>>79
It’s not so much about getting used to it; Duzuru has been a hardcore soldier for many years.
Well, given his personality, he would probably choose to die a noble death… As a general, I can respect that, but as a father, it’s too shocking to comment on.
Looking at it this way, the fact that Garma was killed first has caused discord, so Sharr’s influence is enormous.
Will we see the close-knit Zabi family in the main story of Zakuas…?
>>73
Wasn’t Dozle dead…?
>>80
I’m being killed by Seira.
>>86
Is that official?! I haven’t been able to buy the pamphlet, so I don’t know anything outside of the main story.
>>97
I’ll watch the work again and properly listen to Char’s lines.
>>97
In the main story, Char said that the white light cannon was defeated, right?
There might be several people who are not Seira’s personal color, but it’s questionable whether it’s necessary to set up such a complicated situation.
>>73
I think that unless Dozle or Garma stays in the country, the relationship between Kycilia and Gihren will be impossible to resolve…
Even though there’s a game where Gihren is the main character, I still have no idea what kind of person he is.
It’s true that Gihren’s ideology is dangerous, but still, is it really okay to call his son Hitler’s tail?
It’s tragic, but it’s largely a case of their own making, so I can’t sympathize.
In the first anime, Kycillia is depicted as getting angry after her father is killed, but over the years, it has become more of a justification for her actions.
>>78
I really love that emotional moment in the TV version where Zeon loses.
I think the first one was consistently written between people’s emotions and the logic of war.
If Dozle had reacted a little more before dying, Zeon would have won.
It was a bad move to demote Char, who killed Garma.
There might have been a scene of Gihren looking downcast, mourning the death of Dozle…
If only Kshatriya had changed and calmed down due to Casval’s actions…
Is this person the one who killed Char’s father?
>>90
That’s right.
Even if Dozle has popularity, it’s difficult in politics because his influence is weak.
What they did feels like the evil Zeon aliens, but I think the interesting aspect of the Zabi family is the humanity that can be felt among them.
It is true that Degwin assassinated Daikun.
That said, from the Jinbaral perspective, there is no evidence.
>>94
No, it’s unclear and not explicitly stated.
So the depiction of Origin is that he died from being overly excited.
Degwin is so shocked that he decides to cease hostilities, but from Gihren’s perspective, he thinks, “What the hell is this guy compared to Garma?”
>>95
If Gopp falls to Solomon, it seems that peace talks with Zeon will occur, and even Revil is following along, so Degwin’s way of thinking is more reasonable.
Giren still thinks he can win, so he’s wondering why he hasn’t avenged Dozle yet.
From Kiciria’s perspective, she knows that the clever Gihren sending the Big Zam to Dozle would lead to Dozle’s actions, and if Degwin has already been eliminated, then the next one is herself…!
If I’m going to do it, there’s no time like now! I just took the gamble on the only path for me to survive.
I like how when I laugh at Gihren’s nobility play, I get told that I’m also calling myself a prince.
Deging in the Zieg Axes world seems to be eagerly looking forward to the grandchildren of Garma and the others.
Giren trusts his sister too much, even though he assassinated his father. He’s a bit scatterbrained.
>>101
Because I’m your older brother.
An older brother is supposed to protect his younger siblings.
Hey… why is Dozle dead…
>>101
I didn’t think they would rush things to that extent, even if they were coming to kill.
>>106
I didn’t think they would come to kill.
That’s because Gilren is a big brother who loves his younger siblings very much.
Zion Zum Daikun, being a charismatic cult psychopath, certainly has a son who can’t possibly be a good person like Casval.
>>105
Is it a head Zion?
It was Head Zeon.
It sounds like Kim Il-sung when I write that a political-type dictator in his later years was having his power usurped by his son.
I thought Ghiren was soft on his siblings because of his personality.
>>108
It’s a sweet one.
>>108
If you’re so popular that you’re plotting a dictatorship, then you should let Garma, who will likely become your political enemy in the near future, do as he pleases.
You won’t doubt it until the moment you are shot by Kshiryia, who is lurking so much.
I feel a little annoyed at my father’s lack of reaction to Dozul’s death.
It’s an origin, but when Sasuro died, he looked extremely shocked.
When it comes to family, Giran is extremely sweet.
In the world of Zeek Ax, it seems like Gillen would report every single action of Garma.
It was mentioned in the pamphlet about the internal conflicts within Zeon; I wonder if there are plans for internal division in the main story.
>>111
I don’t think the story in that area of Zeon will come to the forefront, you know?
The original character wouldn’t be dragged out like that.
>>111
A Zeon that doesn’t experience internal division isn’t a true Zeon.
>>142
What’s terrible is that whether going to Axis or Mars, they always mess things up.
The balance between being sweet and arrogant is peculiar.
I’m sweet to my younger siblings, but the way I spoil them is strange, so it’s not getting across.
>>113
Maybe it’s being conveyed to Garma.
“He says, ‘Giren brother isn’t as terrifying a person as everyone thinks.'”
Anyone who names a battleship “Great DeGinn” can’t be normal.
In the first place, killing Degwin is because if he isn’t killed, a peace treaty will be made without permission, and even if there are good and bad relationships, Gihren really doesn’t intend to kill his own family until the very last moment.
>>118
It’s not that peace talks are bad, it’s that peace talks at that timing are bad.
The white one from the Federation who killed Dozle.
Even though my little sister is making a lot of strange private soldiers, I just leave her be with a feeling of “what a mischievous kid,” but it’s weird, brother.
Duzur is dead!
Why?!
Is this world really happening?
>>122
Casval saved Zabi, but Artesia is no good…
Sasuro: “Um…”
>>124
Someone who can be rational, passionate, suitable for clerical work, skilled in manipulation, resembling Dozle, or resembling Garma.
>>136
Too much of a chimera…
In Tomino’s novel, Degwin was somewhat assassinated.
In Abiko’s ORIGIN, he died from a pre-existing condition.
What can be said about both is that Dikun is just a charismatic agitator and a good-for-nothing.
>>126
At the point of throwing away the rosella, you know…
Well, if I end up with a face like Mamo’s, uhn.
After all, it just won’t do without Garma being alive.
>>127
The difficulty of a soft landing after the war has been said for a long time to vary greatly depending on whether Garma is present or not.
>>127
Is Ghiren Kishiria also afraid of being scolded by Garma?
Although it’s an afterthought, it feels like the presence of Sasuro completely balanced things out for those brothers.
Since we are no longer together, the discrepancies between us have grown larger.
I remember that in the novel, it was clearly stated that Daikun was assassinated.
As you know, it may not be helpful as it is far removed from anime.
The mystery of why the Degwin faction is absent while the Gihren, Kycilia, and Dozle factions appear.
>>131
Well, this next king is definitely this person… I should join a faction while I still can…
Due to that, I don’t really get attached to those who are on the verge of retirement at my age.
>>131
It seems that Ginias, who is directly entrusted with the Apsaras project by Degin, is the likely candidate.
>>131
That person is Dalcia Baharo, the first Prime Minister of the Republic of Zeon.
My son Monahan is a member of the Dykun faction, who has a deep hatred for the Zabi family due to the resentment from the moment when Kycilia killed Gihren in the command room of A Baoa Qu, turning victory into a defeat for Zeon.
>>131
If Degin reached a peace agreement, the home country government planned to follow it, so it would be involved in the political and bureaucratic circles.
The reason we quickly reached peace after the fall of Aoba Ward and became the Zeon Republic was because of those guys.
In the anime-based novel, it is explicitly stated that Degwin was assassinated.
By the way, are the settings of a novel and a secret meeting the same?
>>137
The novel version of Gundam is that world line.
Secret meetings are in the world line of anime.
I think you’re someone who knows the strength of the federation the best.
>>138
Unlike the young children and dreamers of the Dykun faction, they have been in a realistic position facing the Federation.
The brother who resembles Deggin the most is probably Giren.
If only the Federation was burned by the solar ray, could we have technically won in space?
>>140
The fleet that was holed up in Luna 2 to prevent the colony drop is now fully committed to Operation Star One, so Gihren’s strategy is to gradually destroy it, secure air superiority, and then proceed with the colony drop in order to win.
>>140
It’s not a weapon that can do something so skillful.
>>140
If the purple grandma doesn’t go on a rampage as in the main story, we’re winning.
>>167
It’s subtle.
Isn’t Gihren someone who would go as far as to kill his own brother?
If we take on these guys as enemies, it’ll completely turn into a story about the Zabi family…
>>145
Conversely, it might mean that if the story mainly revolves around Machu and the others, the civil war won’t become that large-scale.
It’s impossible to achieve complete victory when our national power is 30 times that of the Federation… Huh!?
>>147
Well, in reality, it ended with the independent acquisition of Side 3 even in Zeek Axis…
It seems like they have a lot of influence but no money, just like the Soviet Union.
>>159
The federation has lost its influence and tax revenue in space, but in a way, the reduction in military spending has made it more energetic. Yeah.
>>168
The most important helium-3 is being transported by a fleet that can independently establish a base under the jurisdiction of the Federation Army, so there is no damage.
…unless the captain does something in two years.
>>184
I knew that guy is too much of a nuisance!
>>147
Thank you, Casval boy…
>>147
Despite the massive damage caused in Loom, we achieved our goal, yay!
Revil escaped.
Continuation of the war…!? It happened.
While struggling to find the Federal Command, we were hit hard by a strengthened federal force.
I want to see the Zabi family getting along as siblings, but it seems like it would be difficult to make that the main focus.
Dai Kun died there, so he was deified as a hope for the Space Noise, but if he had lived and remained the president of Zeon, it seems that eventually the truth would have come out.
>>152
If the child is a child, then the parent is a parent too…
>>152
As expected of Char’s father.
Gihren didn’t intend to purge his brothers, though.
Kishiria, having witnessed the death of her father, trembled in fear thinking that she might be next.
I wonder if I was on fairly good terms with Daikun?
If Gihren had realized the theory about assassinating Kyshiria, then it wouldn’t be just a joke later on.
I wonder if there was no suspicion towards Kshyria, without it being irony or anything, just asking for her to rest in peace…
After all, being hated by the youngest child who is much younger than me is really tough…
Looking back like this, the Zabi family is a mess.
😊
For the nation called Zeon, Kishiria is truly an irredeemable war criminal.
Because it is the direct cause of the defeat.
If the Zabi family had properly communicated… mainly if Gihren had reported, contacted, and consulted, they could have won.
If things don’t go this conveniently, Zeon can’t win, and even if they do win, it’s a tight squeeze! That’s just unnecessarily overly serious, Gundam fans.
>>175
The overwhelming national power of Zeon isn’t even Zeon…
>>180
What are the remnants that keep popping up after that?
Even if there is a 30-fold increase in strength on Earth,
We have to get it out of the Earth!
Sasuro seems like he would be killed somewhere even if he was alive.
Father! The reactions at Garma’s time and Dozle’s time are way too different! You’re angry, aren’t you?
As a child, it would be the worst if my dad openly treated his children differently.
I want an older brother like Gilen.
It seems like they might give me a nice, easy, and profitable position.
After the defeat, the Republic emerged, and Darsia made a lot of money, so it was quite capable.
However, the money earned will later be invested by Monahan into Char Aznable or the sleeves.
>>186
Everyone’s son is no good…
It is said that if Garma had been alive, the discord among parents and siblings could have been eased.
Giren seems likely to assassinate.
Kishiria, huh?
I wonder if I could reach an agreement if I could win against Gihren to some extent?
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