The purpose of this man at this meeting is…!? The innocence among the people peeks out…! The adept young master, Chapter 206.
What is going to begin?
What?!
The most nonsensical meeting.
What is written in the Taiheiki really makes me lose my mind.
>>4This is an anecdote that can be found in other materials as well.
>>6I feel like I’m going crazy.
What is it?
You.
I’m serious…
The final boss whose victory is already determined.
I lost…
Well then… I’ll take charge of this situation.
I lost, but I’m the rule, so you are all the criminals!
This is one of the strongest developments even in ability battle manga.
In theory, it’s not impossible to do.
Don’t do it.
In the early days, I was saying things like “Send everything over” to Moriyoshi-kun, and it was a bit more straightforward, right?
I understand the reasoning.
But why does everyone around me acknowledge this? Ehh?
Why is something like this allowed?
The one who lost is the Takakuma clan, and I have no connection to it.
As the head of a warrior family, it is only natural to distribute rewards accordingly, isn’t it?
Please use my voice as Zunda-mon.
There is absolutely no documentation that the decisions made at that time were carried out.
It is said that Taira no Yoshinori just acted as he pleased and left, while Nariyoshi merely intervened with the intention of bringing down his brother.
>>20That’s scary, isn’t it?
>>20This is still strange…
>>20It’s a situation where it wouldn’t be surprising for the territories originally belonging to the Yoshitoki faction to be taken away and distributed to the Noriyoshi faction, so by saying ridiculous things to protect his supporters, he’s actually doing something incredibly advanced.
>>20That would make it a horror that Nobuyoshi has exiled Uesugi, right?
Using divine power to brainwash is more convincing, after all.
>>20Why are you just leaving it as it is?!
Isn’t it natural for the shogun to preside over the war achievements meeting?
Well, if you haven’t actually lost your position, then it certainly becomes a story where you can say that…
That’s amazing!
Historical facts should be taken more seriously.
Is it… really that incomprehensible?
>>26Receiving a reward despite losing.
>>26It may be unclear, but if we consider whether Naoyoshi can do something about Yoshisada beyond the pretext of defeating Shijō, the truth is that it’s actually impossible.
So in the end, it will probably be led by Yoshimitsu, but it doesn’t make sense for him to take charge all of a sudden.
>>26The president and vice president had a quarrel over the managing director’s tyranny, and although the president took the position of managing director, the vice president’s faction won.
The executive director has been let go, but since the goal is to exclude only the executive director, the president can remain as is.
Well then, I’ll handle the cleanup since I’m the president. I fired you from your position as executive director, didn’t I? Off you go to a demotion! And then the vice president got drunk.
I don’t think it would be that funny in this manga.
Nagi is too much of a brocon.
Th-this is happening…
Is this kind of thing really allowed…?
Eh?
The character “っ” does not have a direct translation as it is a Japanese character used for various phonetic purposes.
But from here, I am further the guardian of the Southern Dynasty.
It’s Ashikaga Takauji! Right?
Supreme Commander of the Ashikaga Takauji Subjugation Army, Ashikaga Takauji.
Because I am a god.
Even now, it is venerated, and it has truly become a deity both in name and reality.
Shoji is probably ruthless.
Upon closer inspection, it turned out it wasn’t the editor’s added margin note.
Well, it was because we fought a war to subdue Yoshitomo.
It is only natural that the decision on rewards and punishments should be made by Ashikaga Takauji, the shogun.
Is there a problem?
>>40Since they insist that it was a battle between Sadaie and Naoyoshi, the actual claims of Yoshisada are a bit more coherent.
Although Yoshitsune seems to want to retire and dislikes politics, he is remarkably politically skilled, being very careful about maintaining power and the delegation of power to Yoshiakira.
>>42He has the ability to shut down Prince Moriyoshi without moving a single soldier, and if he gets motivated, his political combat skills are also high.
>>42I initially planned to retire, but since Naoyoshi has gained so much power, it would be reckless to hand it over to Yoshinori, so I became serious from here on.
When I think about it, I can somewhat understand the movements before and after.
Ashikaga Takauji
Taketaka Miyashita
It’s at the level of erotic games that change common sense.
Eh! Lord Uesugi is being exiled?! From there?!
>>47Since my younger brother has already lost his mind, he probably thinks it’s unavoidable to do whatever big brother says.
>>47Originally, I said let’s cut off its head.
My younger brother mediated and reduced his death sentence to exile.
I’m glad!
Each shogunate’s first shogun had incredible political power.
It is believed to be one of the pieces of evidence that the hypnosis uncle exists.
It is ultimately an internal conflict between Nagau and Takashi, so it is the superior, Yoshisada, who is in charge.
Well, it makes sense, but is it okay to let this pass?
>>51If only Tsunetane had not joined the army of Nobunaga!
This week, Lord Uesugi said he would distribute rewards to Hojo Tokiyuki…
>>53I hope there’s enough left to divide.
In this manga, it isn’t depicted in that tone, but breaking promises and killing surrendering people is the worst move, Uesugi.
>>54It’s an implicit assassination between true feelings and façade, but since there are significant faults on the surface, it’s impossible when confronted with reasonable arguments.
In this battle to subdue Takauji.
Reward the 42 military commanders who followed Takauji! Punish Uesugi for killing the Takau clan of Takauji!
>>56As expected, brother.
>>64You’re the one who started the war.
>>56As expected, this is like a command seal or a Geass.
The flow is that after Nariyoshi returns quietly after accepting the orders, Yoshitsune rushes to crush him, but it’s based on Taiheiki, so we can’t expect much from Yoshitsune.
The Uesugi clan rose to power after this without any significant achievements, solely relying on their connection as relatives of the Ashikaga shogunate.
>>62Yoshitsune & Motohira “He was kind when he was a child…”
Toughening up editing
I guess everyone will be swallowed by divine power…
What’s terrible is that reality without divine power is more godly.
>>66Uesugi is disliked, but Naoie is also disliked.
>>74No, but… that guy is a defeated general…
>>79There is a theory that he himself recognized that he was a defeated general, and another theory that he was not aware of such a thing.
However, it was still Yoshitomo who held the authority to grant rewards, so without Yoshitomo, the work cannot proceed.
>>91Either interpretation.
“Th… Takauji thinks of himself as the victor! And he’s furious with me! Scaryyyyy!”
“Y-You know, although Takauji-sama is pretending to be a defeated loser outwardly, he is probably furious with me on the inside! Scaryyyy!”
Poor Hosokawa-san, who will become that way.
>>74There are quite a few retainers, and it’s not simply that they are disliked, so it will be troublesome after death.
>>66The sense of balance to discern practical benefits, formalities, and true intentions is divine.
>>75In reality, if even one person comes to kill me saying, “You lost, so Lord Naozane is more suited to be shogun,” then I’m done for.
Did my brother have some kind of preliminary meeting or discussion with someone?
Is there a future where Masanori can be happy from here on out…?
>>68Please provide the Japanese text you would like me to translate.
>>68No way.
>>68It’s about time to wrap things up.
There are so few things that the young person has gained that I wonder if there really will be any gains this week.
>>71I think this is the setup for that.
I don’t know if it’s interesting as a shonen manga.
I think the situation would have been different if you were willing to take the place of your older brother, who is Yoshinori.
The troubling thing is that Naritaka had absolutely no intention of that (well, he was able to eliminate Shuichirō, so it’s fine) and that’s what led to this historical fact.
I wonder if this guy really had some kind of superpower.
How can we make this story end like a shonen manga? What?
>>80The blow that Naoto delivered to God was actually a fatal wound!!
It’s fine because it can be ended.
>>80I have been stripped of divine power and have become normal.
By the way, I assassinated my younger brother.
After various circumstances, the Hojo survived until the Sengoku period.
That’s all okay, right?
Ashikaga Takauji is strange, but it’s also weird that Naoyoshi just goes along with what his older brother says…
The character Uesugi, who looks like a dark elf in this manga, is actually Yoshitsune’s cousin, you know?
It is difficult to expect the younger brother who was continuously exposed to Yoshitsune’s poisonous influence to maintain his sanity.
Feeling marked by Nitta Yoshisada.
The annoying butler is dead, but I’m still the only shogun, right?
I see what you mean, and when you say that, I can’t take action.
After fighting hard and not being rewarded, but instead being punished, no one will follow Noriyoshi in the future…
Since the original fans have been chattering from the beginning, I’m looking forward to seeing how they will arrange it.
>>89The original work should come up with a more reasonable development.
If Nagayoshi was seriously threatening Yoshinobu, then Konoji would have also crushed him more seriously.
Sonshi: “I don’t want to be hated by the Emperor! The enemy is ultimately Nitta, who deceives the Emperor!”
Nagi: “I don’t want to be hated by my brother! The real enemy is the treacherous Shinao who deceives my brother!”
They say we’re complete opposites, but could we actually be similar siblings?
>>92It seems that the younger brother of Yoshimitsu was really important, so maybe they just oppose output, but at their core, they might be similar like brothers…
In this turmoil, the eldest brother’s family was taken over by the Takahashi clan and became foolish, so both Yoshisada and Yoshitomo will be killed.
If Naoyori had been positioned as the guardian and in control, then my younger brother might have survived in the years following.
But that didn’t happen.
>>93Maybe impossible.
Specifically at this stage
>>93If Yoshimitsu hadn’t been born, it seems like the lifespan of the Muromachi Shogunate would have been incredibly short.
Tsunetaka boldly turns things around, so it’s not that he is unaware of his position.
Are there really so many materials that make me wonder if I’m going insane?
>>98At that time, people must have thought, “No way…?” which is probably why many wrote about it.
Young master, how many more years do you think you’ll live from here?
The original work is bad, no seriously, the original work is bad, what is this original work… it’s the kind of original work that makes you want to say that.
>>100I’m feeling like the original work has successfully passed the comic adaptation project!
It is understandable that historians would throw up their hands at this collection of materials.
>>101I haven’t thrown in the towel! Seriously, I’ve been really motivated lately and uncovering quite a few new facts!
In the original work, after killing his brother, he completely changed and worked properly until he died from illness.
I’m going crazy.
>>109Isn’t it just that I’ve eliminated the simpler right and left hands that used to do the work, so now I have to do it myself?
>>109Isn’t it common to see purges of executives after coming into power?
I didn’t understand it well from the manga, so I looked at the original.
What is this…?
A manga that researchers also highly endorse as the closest depiction to the materials.
>>111I think it’s interesting, but it’s a bit old and doesn’t seem very close.
>>111It’s terrible that only by adding occult elements can it finally become convincing.
In simple terms, the SS (A) and the National Defense Army (B) are in a factional struggle, and the leader of the country sided with the SS but was defeated by the National Defense Army. The leader of the SS was executed, but the leader of the country himself did not lose, leading to a scenario where he delivers judgment.
It’s not that I particularly want to exclude Yoshimitsu, so it might be established in that sense, but honestly, I don’t really understand it at all…
I think that Yoritsugu’s complete lack of intention to undermine his older brother at this point is only adding to the chaos.
The world is the toy of the Ashikaga brothers, cha-cha-cha.
Even if the president’s puppet loses in the power struggle, the final decision-making authority still lies with the president, right?
>>118I guess I understand the formal stance.
It depends on how you depict it, but isn’t it possible that the younger brother’s foolishness due to his brother complex could be worse than the older brother’s craziness?
>>120It’s not just my brother, my younger brother is pretty messed up too.
If we compare it to Gundam, it’s like the EFF and Titans are fighting, the Titans lose, but the EFF also gets punished by the Earth Federation.
The annoying butler is dead, but I will naturally reward those who followed me.
That aside, Uesugi, who attacked unexpectedly, should die.
It’s a rough conversation.
The problem is that no one expected it.
Exceeding authority with tyranny is a bad thing!
That said, rebellion is a bad thing!
Oh… it seems that I am the only one who is right.
No matter how much the executives kill each other, I’m the president, right? So it’s not strange when applied to organizational theory.
The problem was that everyone, including my younger brother, could see that they were all my sympathizers.
Everything you do is too random.
Please respect the original work more!
>>128(doing)
>>128If we respect the original work, it seems like Kusunoki and GODAIGO should be holding the vengeful spirit parade soon.
I didn’t study Japanese history properly, so I don’t know, but are they going to do something awful again after this…?
>>130It’s nothing… I’m just organizing the rewards for the battle that Nobuyoshi won as the Shogun.
>>135Having a position is really strong, huh?
My younger brother drinks water now.
I’m scared.
The idea that he killed his brother makes more sense to outsiders! But in reality, it seems like a genuine illness.
>>134It seems more like this manga’s Yoshitsune for the younger brother and children to die on their own terms.
In the original work, the reason it makes no sense seriously and no one can explain it is…
Even though it’s a losing battle, something happens where the enemy suddenly turns into an ally or something like that…
It’s too much of a source of chaos and disturbance…
Just not having this guy makes history easier to understand… but it really doesn’t.
>>140Well, if you trace back the incomprehensible events that occurred during the Northern and Southern Dynasties period, they can largely be attributed to Yoshimitsu, so I think it becomes quite understandable.
Because of what Yoshimitsu did in scattering the territories, it also became a distant cause of the Onin War.
In the drama “Taiheiki,” Godaigo uses his wit to outsmart Yoshisada, and I thought to myself that people from this era must be a bit crazy…
According to Mr. Kameda, suddenly appearing in a bad mood, Yoshitoki said something incomprehensible and left in a good mood; it was good that the people of that time were normal.
>>141Only Yoshitsune is still crazy as ever.
Well, that’s fine…
>>148This is definitely a red-faced crap poster.
It’s already the end, and if we don’t discuss things like “I have no choice but to die” in the meeting, it seems that we’re in a dire situation that’s not just a fun little game.
The solution is crazy.
What you’re saying is nonsensical, but it at least makes sense logically.
Moreover, Naoyoshi-kun is disliked.
>>144The decisive battle between Takashi Naoyoshi, the most disliked person in the shogunate, and Naoyoshi, the second most disliked (note that the rankings for first and second place can change frequently).
I hate Chofuyu too much.
What I can’t really understand, or rather, isn’t this a typo? It’s because of the Onin War, so this era is still better.
The Onin War was originally such that allies and enemies changed sides day by day, so who even recorded it?
>>147The Onin War is straightforward because the Eastern Army, led by Imagawa Yoshitada, fought and died while attacking Tōtōmi, and since everyone is only seeking their own interests, there is no distinction between friend and foe.
It’s not like what Yoshimitsu decided here is being accepted; it’s really just someone who barged into the meeting, talked a bit, and then left.
Because of that, we couldn’t eliminate Kōen as a loser, so it’s more like a Win-Win?
In this era, while forces that become complacent towards morning emerge, I think it’s impressive how it shifted towards raising the banner of brocade from here.
>>151At this time, since there were two courts, the value of imperial recognition has also halved.
>>153Since there are two, it’s declared a morning enemy! The morning enemy barrier is effective, but…
After this, because Tsunetomo surrendered to the Southern Court, the enemy barrier against him became ineffective, and he was surrounded by enemies, putting Tsunetomo in a great crisis.
Well, Yoshimitsu will defeat all the enemies and resolve it.
>>151Since the Kamakura period, there was a belief that if one prince were supported, it would be possible to kill others, so it rather spread the idea that supporting a prince legitimized killing.
>>155And after seeing the various matters of the Muromachi shogunate, it was decided that it would be best to refrain from establishing two imperial courts!
During the Bakumatsu period, a dual imperial court was considered in some areas, but it was not realized.
Learning is admirable.
In the prep school class I attended when I was younger, the instructor said that the content of “Taiheiki” is so far-fetched that even esteemed scholars have yet to reach a consensus on many detailed interpretations.
So, I commented that difficult parts will definitely not appear on the actual exam, so please don’t worry, and the venue burst into laughter.
I’m savoring the meaning of those words right now…
I can almost see them cheerfully starting to take charge and say, “Well then, let’s get started!” in the next first panel.
It looks like an explanation of a charisma skill from Fate.
This guy is definitely a fictional character…
>>159The Taiheiki is a military record based on propaganda, so it’s a kind of fiction, to put it simply.
Regardless of feelings, actions are recorded in other records…
The Sengoku period is a good example of something that was really easy to understand.
In the Sengoku period, since territories were basically divided among each domain, the relationships were extremely clear.
>>160It was Yoshitsune who scattered that territory among his ancestors…
The Nanbokucho period is too unclear.
The factions have changed so much that I can’t tell which is the Southern Court and which is the Northern Court.
Well, no wonder it doesn’t become popular…
>>162Moreover, there are many people with similar names, so Japanese history in general is complicated.
>>162Creative works are being done quite well, and saying they aren’t popular is an exaggeration.
Even when Antonio Inoki failed in his business and could no longer pay salaries, leading to a coup by people like Kotozawa Yamamoto that almost got him kicked out of New Japan Pro Wrestling,
“You guys can’t do it without Inoki! That’s what the sponsor said, and in the end, Inoki ended up staying.”
Well, it’s not such a mysterious development regarding Yoshimitsu, is it?
>>164Rather, why are events like those in the Taiheiki happening relatively recently?
>>164Stop with the developments I only see in the Ashikaga Shogunate and New Japan Pro-Wrestling.
>>164I guess it means that big names have always been strong.
“This is a fact that is undeniably recorded in common records!” … so the “Taiheiki” asserts strongly, and everyone should believe it.
What was it like in big historical dramas?
I think it’s quite common around the world for someone who is very articulate to start maneuvering in diplomatic settings when the diplomatic protocols are still not fully established.
Although the diplomatic protocols are in place, I think there are quite a few situations where really skilled people at reasoning can navigate changes in circumstances.
The protagonist’s presence is！！！！
The new sponsor of New Japan: “Can you guys manage without Inoki!”
New Japan people: “Indeed… (Inoki’s close aide, Shinma, was held responsible and fired.)
A North Korean official said, “Can you guys manage without Sonshi?”
The warriors of the North: “Surely… (Taka Moronori, the close aide of Yoshisada, was held responsible and executed).”
In other words, it means there were sponsors who could only be dictated by the Ashikaga shogunate.
>>174The leader of the Ashikaga family, the richest and landowning family in Japan.
Yes, that’s right, it’s Sonshi.
I would like it if you could stop treating everything as divine power, as it gets a bit discouraging.
>>175But… historical facts…
>>175Well, shall we go with Inoki’s mysterious human power…?
When Inoki got involved in a dubious business, at first those around him tried to stop him, but in the end, they ended up saying, “Let’s do it!” and putting in money.
>>185The author of Baki is a person who shouldn’t be involved with humans.
I would also lend money if Inoki told me to.
I was just saying that, and it’s exactly like that.
>>175Rather, if everything isn’t treated as divine power, then Tokiyuki’s legitimacy in defeating Yoshimitsu in this manga won’t arise.
I actually think it should have been made more of a monster with divine power.
>>175If it were just that, it would be a different kind of crazy person and phenomenon.
>>175The biggest reason for the conflict between Tokiyori and Taira no Kunitsune is that theme, so it could be said that it’s almost lacking.
Editor: “What is this man’s purpose…!?”
Reader: “What is this man’s purpose…!?”
Author: “What is this man’s goal…!?”
Historian: “What is this man’s purpose…!?”
People of that time: “What is this man’s purpose…!?”
Upon closer inspection, isn’t this the Aoriax?
What is this?
>>180Tough Mark
Nobuyoshi is a guy who loves his older brother too much.
Taira no Yoshinori really loves Naoyoshi too much…
It’s a force of human power that goes beyond strategy and cunning.
The strongest charisma.
Since this story is quite complicated, it was necessary to create a main character with a clear position to make it easier to understand.
>>187Well, it’s not like he’s any different from those warriors who switched sides between the Southern and Northern dynasties.
This work doesn’t have any particularly easy-to-understand aspects compared to the previous works about the Northern and Southern Dynasties.
>>187There’s no time to twist things out while prioritizing clarity.
It’s a minor role, so ordinarily, it would be the first to be rejected.
It’s just that it becomes troublesome when delving into issues like the legitimacy of the imperial lineage or the notion of an unbroken line of emperors, so it has been avoided.
Taiheiki-san
Please make my response feel nice.
If you compare it to Inoki, it’s understandable that the Taiheiki was faithful to historical facts…
Tadakatsu! Bombaye!
Toshiyuki! Bombaye!
The president of Sekisui House, the original source of the ground fraud scandal, is the one who messed up but also kicked out the chairman.
Maybe he was someone with an aura like Shigeo Nagashima.
It’s like a reverse rage move or something.
When asked who the easily understandable protagonist of that era is, would it be Yoshimitsu…? But I also feel like he isn’t really the protagonist…
>>200In a way, you could say that the protagonist will turn things around from a big pinch next time with the bond with his brother.
>>200Antonio Inoki is full of charisma and has appeared in various works, but
There are no works in which Inoki himself is the main character.
I think it’s like that.
It’s a bit too unconventional to be treated as a protagonist.
>>204Legend of Professional Wrestling Superstars…
>>200Well, since the historical figure seemed to be indecisive, I think emphasizing that aspect would make it more fitting.
Since both Tokiyuki and Yoshimitsu are dead during the era when the imperial lineage is being organized afterwards, I think there are no clear elements in this work that depict the circumstances around that.
In the first place, the depiction of the imperial family is really lacking.
What did you think was easy to understand?
It’s relatively understandable when compared to modern times.
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