
I am still affiliated with the North and the claim that I surrendered to the South is false!!
Uesugi has it tough, doesn’t he?
The moment the Southern Dynasty became the refuge for the Northern Dynasty’s losers.
>>2
After this, it’s terrible that Yoshimitsu also rushes in.
>>5
Why…?
>>5
What are you doing coming over here too? Don’t mess with me!!!
>>28
The development is too bo-bobo…
>>5
I want to see the young man’s pitiful expression when he witnesses it firsthand.
>>2
For now, it’s terrible that there are quite a few people who escape to the Southern Court, beat up the annoying ones, and then return to the Northern Court feeling refreshed.
No way, lol.
Uesugi (Really!?)
>>22
Because the North Korean leader and Tokiyoshi are quite close.
I wonder if the Southern Dynasty managed to survive because Go-Daigo was there.
>>9
That’s true.
>>9
Conversely, you could say that the Southern Court was centered around Emperor Go-Daigo, so after his death, it was like a shell.
>>9
Kitatake Chikubo was still strong while he was alive.
>>22
Because the Masako faction grew larger.
It’s not too late to kill the thread now, right?
They’re saying things like this…
>>13
We can’t win against the Tokiyuki faction…
Well, if the other Southern Dynasty faction hears about this, it won’t end well…
>>13
Don’t worry.
After this, Yoshinori will also come to the Southern Court and kill his elder brother.
Why…?
My younger brother is quite creepy.
>>14
In the past, it didn’t feel unpleasant.
>>17
There was nothing that was eternal and unchanging.
It’s the butlers who are so bad, isn’t it?
This original work… something feels off…
Emperor Gomurakami, who succeeded Emperor Godaigo, is also quite hawkish, so he won’t easily be defeated.
>>21
After all, when it came to the peace agreement, Murakami overturned it, saying that such a thing couldn’t be done.
You have made Masanori Kusunoki, the one in question, so furious that he became half-crazy, just once in your life.
Is this the prologue to the betrayal act plan I saw last month?
It seems that from here, Yoshisada says something like “The Three Sacred Treasures are in my heart!”
By this time, it has become a conflict between the Northern Court versus the Southern Court, or rather, the mainstream of the Northern Court versus those who oppose the mainstream of the Northern Court.
Well, it’s common in history for the marginalized to rebel against the mainstream.
Acha Moro, isn’t it Uesugi who kills the brothers?
>>25
After the post-war cleanup, ambush and kill during transportation.
>>25
The brothers given to Waka are rampaging.
>>31
The Young Lord Who is Good at Escaping
Kyushu is in a worse situation, leading to a three-way conflict among the Northern Court faction, Southern Court faction, and anti-shogunate faction.
Cry a little.
Mount Fuji is beautiful~
“Will you really go for the third reclamation of Kamakura?”
>>32
Since there’s less than a year left in the story, I assume it’s already been decided to proceed.
The Musashino battle is set, and the actors are all gathered.
The manga is trying hard to conceal it, but it seems like the images have deteriorated.
In reality, it means that the Southern Court is no longer functioning as an organization to the point where such disrespectful actions can be taken against it…
I no longer really understand the victory conditions…
>>34
Actually, it’s rare that during this time, Yoshimitsu is not doing anything strange; rather, he was trying hard to rein in the excessive rampages of his brother, son, and steward…
If I had seriously held down the butler and my brother instead of leaving them alone, they wouldn’t have woken up.
For a young person who wants revenge, it’s the worst kind of bizarre behavior that even their older brother shows up.
>>36
You six people, huh?
>>36
It’s often seen when you put a boss character pulled from a limited gacha in a mobile game event into the starting lineup.
I want to see where Yoshitsune rushes in soon.
The race to defeat Sonshi feels too much like a mobile game.
Is it true that after this the North Korea will be destroyed and become Neo North Korea DTMK II second?
What is this era?
>>46
There are stories about the post-apocalypse, right?
This is just the apocalypse happening right now.
Why does North Korea have to disappear as a result of the conflict between North Koreans…?
This era is strange…
>>47
It’s like the Onin War, where the struggle over shogunate power ultimately led to the disappearance of the shogunate power itself.
Is the Muromachi sword ver2 not out yet?
Since Tadayoshi, who only had loyalty during the Southern and Northern Courts period, has lost that loyalty, it’s only natural that he has deteriorated.
Festival activities are all about the live experience.
If you’re not strong in war and lose even your loyalty, then you have nothing left.
>>52
There is loyalty to North Korea.
Everyone is singing and dancing.
The fact that I imposed my son on him means that he might end up getting involved in this.
>>56
The only thing left to do if Yoshiyasu is killed is to brainwash him into taking revenge on Tadayoshi.
The once psycho-mad elf is now completely being led around…
I heard that the Southern Court ended up getting beaten, and everyone feels too sorry for them.
Although Nagayoshi switched sides, he underestimated the Southern Court too much and acted as he pleased, which is why it makes sense for Yoshisada to accept him.
This area is simply that Nobuyori is terrible.
The Southern Court is basically a personal store run by Go-Daigo, isn’t it?
Well, to be honest, what Naoyoshi is doing around this time is all over the place…
If I’m worried about something like this, I’ve achieved the unification of the Northern and Southern Dynasties!
No way we’re allowing unification of the north and south…! The terrible trend of the birth of the Later Southern Dynasty will leave us behind!
The fact that Yoshinari is coming to Nanto means that the brothers will reconcile.
I’m glad.
>>65
Well, as expected, the story should depict Yoshisada as the ultimate scoundrel who nonchalantly kills his brother while laughing at the end…
>>69
“Well, after poisoning someone, you’re asking ‘Why did they die~~~?'”
It would have been great if the Six Holy Fists of the Southern Dynasty were here.
Poor Emperor Kōgon…
I can’t believe I was still able to be in a country like Japan.
>>68
No matter how far you go, it just ends up being a civil conflict.
If there had been an invasion from outside like the Mongol invasions, everything would have been blown away.
>>68
There is a precedent where Masakado, who created an independent state on a whim, was instantly killed, so it has become a common understanding that it’s important to remain within Japan (the imperial court) even if one is to create an independent government.
In the historical drama “Taiheiki,” this part about Naoyoshi was also intense.
He was sent an assassin by Takashiryu and escaped with the help of Takashi, realizing the bond between brothers, and just five minutes later, he rebelled against Takashi, leaving everyone wondering what he was doing.
Those who hold the banner of brocade cannot be defeated by those who do not have it, no matter what.
So, by preparing the second one like this, we can make the situation equal.
The fact that when I come to the Southern Court, there will be no enemies to face.
It is a wonderful thing for a war to end without fighting.
Kōshijirō, will he be abandoned by Takauji after this…?
I want you to carefully write about whether one dies despairing or dies without knowing.
Dark w
Too much… w
There is an unsettling feeling about Sasaki Dōyō surviving and living out his natural lifespan.
Doesn’t it feel like that guy will be executed even if he’s lightweight?
When you think of the Northern Dynasty and the Southern Dynasty, it seems like a grand matter.
In short, it’s like All Japan Pro Wrestling and New Japan Pro Wrestling.
Being poached from All Japan to New Japan, or something like that.
Choshu Riki, who lost his place in New Japan, went to All Japan and then came back again.
Even though he was a founder of New Japan, Inoki was fighting against New Japan.
Well, that’s about it.
The Kamakura shogunate is not treating the emperor like a tool…???
>>82
No, the Emperor is not that bad.
The treatment of the general is really terrible.
When a manipulable child starts to have their own ego, they replace them with a new one.
It’s not brainwashing, it’s persuasion.
Somehow, they’re making it seem like Yoshitsugu was crazy or that the thread image has fallen from grace.
Wasn’t it really just a chaotic hell as an organization or even as a country?
>>84
The reason the country became such a mess in the first place is due to Go-Daigo and Takauji…
The Great River portrays Yoshimitsu as a wise and gentle young man who was properly tossed around by the times…
>>85
No… even in the Great River, this area was in chaos, Takauji.
>>89
Everyone is a mess…
“Help me, Naoyoshi!!”
“Brother, have you returned to your senses? Now, let’s fight the Takahashi brothers together!”
Even if I try to depict something as righteous, I can’t help but think, which mouth is this person saying that from?
>>88
There was a thread like this earlier, but I really don’t understand which specific descriptions you’re referring to and what makes you feel that way.
I can only think that treating the prince so casually shows a disregard for the emperor, but it doesn’t mean that the emperor is being treated as a mere tool.
This week, I still love my big brother as usual, so I guess I’ve built up the foundation to accept Yoshitsune when he comes over later, huh…
Could it be that the Nanboku-chō period was just a pathetic exchange of grudges and power struggles?
Was it an era that left both the populace and talented individuals in ruins?
>>94
It is an era of significant national power growth, with agricultural production thriving, the monetary economy becoming established, and many cultures flourishing.
The root of this mess, the dual throne problem, began with the Kamakura shogunate saying, “Wait, are we dealing with such issues while the Mongol invasions are happening…? It can’t be helped, but let’s seriously come up with a way to answer that won’t create friction…”
I don’t think it’s a time when summary sites can exaggerate like that…
Wait, is Takashijiro going to die after this…? I didn’t get the feeling he was going to die at all, especially with that really strong-looking nephew showing up.
It’s becoming like a poorly forced original character that shouldn’t exist.
>>100
They appear regularly and are somewhat involved in history, but in the end, they can’t change the overall flow and eventually fade away, so there is a sense of being an original character in a historical story from the start.
The Takeda drama’s Yoshitsune here is definitely ridiculous.
When I went to lecture Sasaki Motoyoshi, who burnt down the royal family’s temple,
“It’s your fault for not participating in politics, and I was yelled at to get Naoyoshi out.”
Taking that at face value, they tried to have Takashira surround Nariyoshi’s residence, putting themselves in a pinch.
Although they succeeded in exiling Nagi, now Takashi’s tyranny began.
When I was told that it would be better to handle Takashi’s affairs directly, I got angry.
Naoyori was protected by Master Taka’s assassination squad, but then quickly betrayed by Naoyori and became the target of Takakiyo’s murderous intent.
>>101
It’s too incoherent.
It’s already past my mid-20s, isn’t it?
At the same age, Tokiyoshi was governing Kamakura.
I’m not interested in young boys who have stopped being little.
It looks like Neuro after solving a mystery.
Actually, you’re looking at information around here, right? Didn’t you just go to the Southern Court earlier? Then it gets confusing that Yoshimitsu is on the Northern Court side???
Stop the delays with your nephew and quickly show the scene of the high clan massacre.
It seems like high brother, who foresaw that paper currency and other things were too ahead of their time, is quite capable.
There are attempts to depict Waka as a person suitable to be the protagonist, but there doesn’t seem to be any intention to portray Hojo or Waka as embodiments of justice at all.
In other words, the work depicts both the merits and demerits, and the character even says something like it would be better for the public to forget about Hojo.
>>110
I think that due to the consideration of not being able to depict justice but also not being able to depict villains, various portrayals have become distorted.
The straightforward emotional arguments and instigations of a child, like during the era of the Middle Generations’ Rebellion, wouldn’t hold up at this age.
Although there was a bit of a misunderstanding, if it had remained in the era of the Hojo, the young ones might have eventually been turned into puppets. It’s also fair to say that it was thanks to Yoshisada that we avoided that fate. Isn’t it about time we apologize to each other and make up, so that we can all unite to defeat our arch-enemy Takashi Shichiro?
Even if they lose in the power struggle of the shogunate, a flow has developed where they can just switch sides to the Southern Court, so the civil war never ends and the strengthening of shogunal power cannot be achieved.
The flow in which Yoshinari exhausted his lifespan and switched sides was stopped, so the grown Yoshimitsu achieved the strengthening of shogunate power, but Yoshimachi overturned it.
Because Yoshimitsu is indecisive and wavers, the one who last whispers in his ear wins in the end.
It’s a mess because of that.
It’s one thing for Tokiyori to ignore the orders of the Southern Court despite being on their side, but I thought the young man who suddenly said, “I’m joining the army and not listening to you!” was really asking for a fight.
>>114
Well, since we were just fighting each other until recently, it’s only right to give it a shot.
Nobuyoshi’s craziness surpassed everything.
In the first place, you are no longer of an age to be called a young lord.
When Yoshimitsu was about the same age as Waka…
There is no justice in Hojo, or rather, in Waka.
>>117
It is not acceptable to speak as if there is justice in Go-Daigo or Yoshisada.
I thought this was a huge distortion of history, but it’s surprisingly faithful.
Isn’t it amazing that Yoshimitsu succeeded hugely in such an incomprehensible era?
>>120
It was stable until Yoshimitsu, but after that…
The irony that the Kamakura period was much more peaceful.
>>123
Was it peaceful?
>>127
Despite the fact that the northern rebellion of Ando and the western rebellion of Go-Daigo were occurring at the end of the Kamakura period, and the Kamakura shogunate couldn’t pacify them, people were saying it was already done for.
That kind of feeling is constant from the Northern and Southern Courts to the Muromachi period…
>>123
Still, it’s better than the Heian period…
>>123
Peace isn’t everything; as times progress, the treatment of the common people is improving.
Was it good that there were few upheavals during the Heian period?
>>132
During the Heian period, commoners still lived in pit-dwelling houses…
>>132
Life has become rich enough for non-noble samurai families to gain some power.
Takahashi is strong because he can skillfully use those around him.
There’s not even a blade of grass growing…
The immaturity that seemed to pass during my boyhood has been carried over without particularly changing at all.
Why didn’t you let me grow?
>>125
Weren’t you taught to correct immature sentences that omit the subject at school when you were a boy?
I can’t understand what you’re trying to say.
It’s a complete mess from top to bottom!
The Kamakura shogunate fell as it was destined to fall, and it is entirely untrue that it fell solely because of the Ashikaga.
>>129
Ashikaga basically just read the situation, betrayed everyone, and took advantage of it.
It’s problematic that loyal characters from the past, like Yoshishige getting sand thrown at him or Uesugi getting sand thrown at him, are increasingly becoming clowns.
A completely unsettled Heian period.
>>131
Isn’t it because we are not at peace that we pray for peace and name it peace?
>>138
Originally, it was planned for Nagaokakyo to be the capital during the Nagaoka period.
The reason behind the naming of the city as “Heian-kyo” comes from the fact that Fujiwara no Tanetsugu, a close aide of Emperor Kanmu who went on a site inspection for the transfer of the capital to Nagaokakyō, was inexplicably shot dead, causing the plan to fall through. Consequently, Emperor Kanmu lamented, “The state of the world is too chaotic… I will at least name the new capital Heian-kyo for peace,” so the very reason for the naming is steeped in bloodshed.
Japan was in a somewhat continuous period of conflict for roughly 500 years from the late Heian period until the establishment of the Edo Shogunate.
I liked my younger brother quite a bit, so I felt the same way as I do about this young man.
I don’t know the original work, but I wonder if it’s the original that’s at fault.
>>136
Ah, because of Yoshimitsu, Nakahira is broken…
Well, that was kind of how it was portrayed in the historical drama too…
The Hojo’s governance of Kamakura was going well! I think there are parts where they are desperately defending that.
Kamakura will end with the extermination of clans because everything will be prepared before the chaos of war begins…
Yorishige ended up using the pure heart of a child, as it was assumed that he hadn’t aimed for the recovery of the realm from the very beginning.
>>141
Wasn’t the fact that he was trying to reclaim Kamakura with his own will, not as a puppet, a counter to Yoshisada’s future prediction?
It’s a bit shaky, isn’t it?
>>141
This is really terrible.
Rashige was a good character, though.
>>148
It was a good character, but it was also a really crazy character.
The Southern Dynasty was said to be in a state like the Eufors, and I understood, “Oh, that’s how it is…”
In the first place, the young people today have clearly given up on the reign of the Hojo, and it feels like they are fighting without any sense of justice, driven by their obligation to those who supported the Hojo and their resentment towards Yoshitsune.
The wavering of Yoshimitsu and Naoyoshi is due to the original work being flawed.
The reason why Hojo Tokiyuki in this manga is inconsistent is simply that the author can’t portray the character consistently.
It wasn’t a puppet of Tadayuki; since Tokiyuki is the leader, what was the Jinno Sendaigumi uprising about…?
Kusunoki said that Takauji is not evil but a huge vessel that contains everything, but there is no trace of that anymore.
Both Yoshishige and Kusunoki were just mere frauds who spoke nonsense!
The history of humanity is way too interesting.
It’s fine to compete, but I would like you to keep the structure simple for studying in future times.
The lives of common people began to show signs of improvement and development starting from the Edo period, which can be said to have finally emerged during the Muromachi period.
>>155
It’s quite a bit better in the Muromachi period, so it’s scary.
Until then, the common people had no self-defense ability, let alone a hometown.
The vibe of the replies seems to have become noticeably unpleasant, resembling the kind of comments you’d find in threads about curses or jujutsu.
I felt that both Nagayoshi and Toshiyuki had an attitude of starting a war to take back the world from you after reclaiming their homeland, but perhaps that was just my impression.
So, what are you aiming for, Tokiyuki?
>>160
Aren’t you going to lose by coming to that conclusion in the final reclaiming of Kamakura?
>>160
It would be enough to take revenge and preserve the honor of my clan and loyal followers, and after that, I can live in seclusion in the countryside.
The period just before settling in Heian-kyo was really marked by too many capital relocations.
I don’t like it… I’m quitting here… Stop saying that!!
Ultimately,
I know it’s already impossible to reclaim Kyoto, but…
I want to return to that land, even just for a moment.
“Then they might just start a temporary occupation operation of the capital based on the intentions of the court nobles on the Southern Court side.”
After having a 4P with a woman, I guess things like the world don’t matter anymore.
That’s how it is.
If you feel pain in your conscience for tormenting the people, then you know it’s impossible for you to continue governing. Stop the reclamation of Kamakura.
Rather than trying to depict Tokiyuki as a figure of justice
I get the impression that you are desperately trying to position Tokitsukaze as a pure and untainted existence, struggling in the process.
It’s an era where everyone is, to some degree, a villain.
>>167
What are you saying now to a shonen manga protagonist who commits murder?
>>169
But the act of plundering to supply provisions was made to be blamed on Tokiyuki while someone else took the responsibility.
>>173
It’s unthinkable not to use Kitabatake Akiie, who left behind various historical materials, in that scene.
Their argument is falling apart because they want to be critical so much.
>>177
Aren’t you reading it?
Even Kiyokedo showed reluctance and said that Yuki did it on his own.
The Southern Court’s submission to Yoshimitsu was for the sake of resolving the morning’s issues, and it wasn’t that he fought alongside them.
At that time, people were aligning themselves with the South (North) based on preferences and strategies regarding freedom.
From the perspective of medieval people, actions that aren’t considered bad may seem extremely barbaric to modern people, making it difficult.
There must have been many people who lost their lives in the battle that Waka started to reclaim Kamakura, but it seems he doesn’t seem to notice them.
Rough saging stands out, so even if you’re going to do it, try to do it a bit better.
Actually, I didn’t really understand the logic behind the time table this week.
During the Nanboku-chō period, there was a lot of switching sides going on, and in the first place, Tokiyuki himself disliked Takauji and was aligned with the Southern Court.
I thought it would be quite difficult to make someone criticize.
The scale of responsibility placed on leaders typical of war stories and the characterization of the young lord in a shounen manga style were somewhat mismatched.
It seems fairly obvious that the historical facts, especially the topic of the Northern and Southern Dynasties period, were quite challenging.
It was interesting until the Jokyū uprising, but there are many depictions added that contradict those stories.
It feels like I’m being shown a bad sequel.
I always think that historical stories and shonen manga are difficult.
It would be nice to lean more towards fantasy, but this manga has supervision.
There are many threads that resemble Tone Village.
This guy has been getting attention since moving from our company to another. If this continues, it will make us look incompetent, so we have to hit back hard—doing things like pretending to be an anti-supporter to generate hate and pollute searches—criticizing new series that seem interesting to lower the quality of other magazines, while boosting the chances of boring series staying around—doing the same with surveys—well, it’s a minor operation, but magazines that rely on popularity polls are more susceptible to the effects of information manipulation. What I’m really suited for is this kind of information warfare.