Heroes of Earth
I panicked because I was scared of the dragonfly, yeah…
The beam from the Wodom is excessively strong compared to the lightness of the trigger, yeah.
I think the person who chose and sent this guy is bad.
>>4Did Lady Diana say something bad?
>>9…Yes
>>9The security forces can pursue Diana’s butt.
It’s a bit reckless for an officer, though.
It seems that they might be a rather easygoing character, like a Diana counter.
Who the hell was the idiot that put me on this stupid Wodom?
Too much of a crybaby…
“Are biplanes really so reckless!? In a fit of confusion, I burn down an entire city with a mega particle beam.”
Thinking with my *ahem* and then staging a coup.
>>10Phil is quite the idiot, too…
>>10It wasn’t incomprehensible, really! It felt kind of like “barbarian!”
Firing beams towards the core.
Please give me the Sun Belt of the grain-producing region; I can’t wait any longer, says Lady Diana, who has been depicted as politically incompetent throughout the story.
>>13If the heir had taught about that, it could have been resolved.
The Sunbelt is an irreplaceable land for the current Earth, and it would have been great if I could have explained that properly.
The biggest problem is that even though there was a two-year grace period, I still have no understanding of the land that overlaps with my own territory.
>>13Regarding the Sunbelt, the Knox collapse and Kiel postponing the declaration of independence have occurred.
Diana can’t wait any longer or can’t even do something like that.
>>13If negotiations were to be cut off, it would have been better for both sides to have overwhelmingly taken control of Knox from the first move, resulting in fewer casualties.
I feel like Nguyen would jump at the chance if we put the civilization power of the moon on the negotiation table.
Regretting after firing a gun repeatedly at an opponent who is fleeing with a nuclear weapon.
It’s the worst to continue lazily just because I got caught up in it, even though I’m clearly not suited for being a soldier.
It’s a problem that a powerful person on Earth’s side impulsively shot and killed a key figure of the opposing side to dispel their anger over their own family’s misfortune just because they were attacked.
I might be satisfied, but it’s a bit contradictory to act without considering that the overall situation of the Earth will worsen afterwards.
After the coup, you showed up nonchalantly pretending to be an ally in front of the general, and in the final episode, you were portrayed as a mountain climber taking on an apprentice, right?
>>18It’s not right to nonchalantly say that they are carrying out orders to meet up properly and directly assist when Diana and the others returned to Earth.
This makes it problematic that MS piloting skills are among the top ranks in the story.
I wonder what happened in the end that made me feel like a disciple of Grandpa Sid…
Because it’s a big-nosed slut…
If Diana directly sees and understands the reality of Sunbelt,
Ah, it’s something like saying “Even if I ask for this, it’s impossible.”
If the heir had properly explained about the Sun Belt from the start, there wouldn’t have been any culture shock.
Even if it’s explained as an agricultural region in the story, the Earthlings instinctively understand that it’s the place we plan to return to, which is why the population is small; that is the Moonrace’s thinking.
To be honest, the original source, the Israeli, is arrogant…
>>27I understand that Diana said it would be impossible if she saw the sunbelt with her own eyes, so the lack of explanation is indeed the cause.
It seems that the production staff intended to portray someone who is good-looking despite being not very smart.
Well, it’s true that there are parts where the thread image has messed up.
I think it’s inappropriate to nitpick over things that are properly depicted or explained in the story.
If you’re going to join the conversation, you should watch the main content first.
What is the heir who hasn’t communicated anything after having two whole years to negotiate directly?
>>32The impression I get from watching the main story is that there are too many cultural gaps, leading to constant conflicts.
I think if the heir had conveyed the current situation of Earth and the cultural differences with the moon within those two years, we could have communicated a bit more smoothly, right?
Wandering aimlessly
Isn’t it weird that this guy is acting like a friend after the coup? Every time someone says that, I love how the attempted assassins Yakobb and Bruno are said to be the most ridiculous.
The Sun Belt has improved only in recent years, so Ngugen probably doesn’t know about it (not checking the recent situation was a complete mistake).
Diana intentionally doesn’t explain much about the Sun Belt and grain-producing areas (this is probably because it would cause disputes if told).
According to Nguyen, the Sun Belt has particularly strong sunlight, which is not good for the body, and he only knows that very few people live there.
According to the explanation in the complete records, Diana is demanding all the land in Sunbelt, but as Harry said, it would be fine to have half.
It is written that they were planning to request half as a final concession.
It’s consistent that Korenn Buruno Yakopp is being told that if he reflects on his actions and properly contributes, he will be forgiven.
Those who are defiant like the Ginganamu and Agrippa factions are not to be forgiven.
It’s unrelated to Agrippa’s personnel… even though this guy went wild, they kept sending more to make it even worse…
In the first place, whether it’s a granary area or whatever, there’s no way I’m just going to hand over the land to people I don’t even know.
>>39So there, we were negotiating while intertwining each other’s claims.
It just became a situation where unnecessary interruptions got in the way.
Since there is a sunbelt in your own territory, saying you haven’t investigated it won’t fly, will it, young master?
The Sunbelt was considered uninhabitable wasteland until just before the Age of Aquarius.
I wonder if the past colony drop had an enormous impact.
Burning down the city is the same for Bruno and the others, and the difference in hate value may be due to the strong gag character adjustment, quickly becoming an ally, and the difference in enemies until the end of the story.
>>42No, it has nothing to do with that.
Bruno Jacop has joined the group without any purification events, just by deceiving Mr. Horace and Roland, so there is a lingering frustration.
However, even with such an impression, the conversation progresses normally, so there’s no point in being conscious of it.
It’s not a properly trained unit.
We’re going with a group of amateurs recruited from the citizens…
>>44You’ve trained a little, right?
Because of the idiot who used the mega particle cannon right at the start, it makes no sense to have specifically organized a civilian army and brought them along… even the viewers are about to lose their minds.
Which episode does the mobile suit with the fence appear? I guess it’s the Gaza model after all.
Every time I see a thread about Pou, I think, “Wow, it really grows well.”
I’ve always thought that even though it was an unsuccessful attempt, Bruno and the others really messed up.
Although it was the Moonrace side that messed up first, at the meeting, the Earth side immediately retaliated by taking out the Moon’s high official, so it’s a matter of give and take.
It’s obvious from just a little conversation that the people from the moon completely misunderstand Earth, so I can’t really defend the young heir who didn’t convey that in advance.
I was introduced to Roland by Mr. Horace!
Mr. Horace was introduced by Roland! Bruno Jacop managed to deceive everyone and join the group, and I was like, seriously, these guys…
>>51Didn’t those guys attack Diana?
It’s too loose…
The mastermind Agrippa and the most dangerous commander make their appearance! → It has a feel-good ending where everyone who was at odds cooperates to defeat them, but since the story wraps up without digesting various elements, it leaves some things unresolved.
>>52Well, since both sides have their own faults, let’s continue the conversation with that in mind.
However, it’s only natural that things will progress positively once they’re gone, as they were just causing interference and continuing to clash due to Agrippa’s sabotage and the oasis strategy.
Bruno Jacop has no apologies, which is amazing.
I’m completely pretending that I never did that.
Well, I can’t imagine that other Moon Race members who only see it as barbaric would be able to understand or explain what Lady Diana has realized by disguising herself and experiencing it firsthand, even though she cherishes Earthlings.
Guen wanted to create the United States of Amelia (where he would be the first president).
If there is a separate faction from Amelia, I think they wanted to utilize it to gain a justifiable reason and unify the country.
The people of the moon, with genuine future technology, realized the overwhelming disadvantage and found themselves unable to handle the situation.
Well, I get motivated again with the engineers like A and Roland.
Bruno and the others were actually trying to assassinate Diana, incited by Tetes, so it’s really a bad situation.
It’s just that I happened to fail and ended up in a good position.
Because Mr. Nguyen still carries his ambitions.
The young lord’s territory is also a bit affected by Sunbelt, so he probably has the right to negotiate.
There are places ruled by other lords that are mostly like the Sunbelt, so there are times when I think it would be better to give those areas to them.
“You could have also approached other lords, young master.”
>>62Whether the self-proclaimed people of the moon are real or fake, if I can handle negotiations with them successfully at my young age…
I think the young heir had the ambition to rise even further.
Honestly, I feel like I was born in the wrong era…
I can only think that the person monopolizing the main negotiation role intends to devour the profits when things go well.
Seeing that overwhelming ambition run wild in the second half of the main story,
We had two years to talk through communication, yet we knew nothing about each other. What were we doing?
>>65The misunderstanding between the Moon side, which only sees the people from underpopulated areas who don’t want to part with their land as savages, and the powerful individuals from certain regions on Earth who want to secretly contact the Moon people to monopolize profits.
I didn’t really believe that there were people on the moon.
I was fully aware that there are insane people out there with amazing communication technology who just throw it to you, you know, young heir.
Well, I guess they were acting based on profit and loss.
The young heir’s ambition gets twisted and leads to failure, which has been depicted for a long time.
Even if we are confronted with over-technology that allows interplanetary travel, it’s a different story when it comes to whether we would relinquish our land, just like the transition from horse-drawn carriages to automobiles.
I’m pointing out that you’re making a bad move knowing the technology gap between here and there.
I know that the guys who call themselves Moon Race have incredible technological capabilities, so the young heir before the main story.
>>71I thought that if they gave me a radio at a level that could be understood with Earth’s technology, it meant that their technological capability was only that high.
So I was expecting that the militia we prepared would be enough to counter it.
In reality, there was a completely different scale of technological disparity, so in the early stages, it really felt like Earth was in a precarious situation.
I was trying to resolve things peacefully, but I couldn’t control the militia I prepared.
The opposing agent messed things up, and nothing went well at all.
Regardless of whether we let go of the land or not, I think we usually try to bridge the cultural gap between each other.
If only the advancing side had properly investigated and negotiated logically instead of resorting to military force after ending the negotiations.
From the perspective of the people on the moon, they wouldn’t understand Earth’s sensations even if they investigated, so it’s something that Earth’s humans need to convey.
It’s the same for the Tsuki side, and on the heir’s side, it felt like they only really heard the other person’s claims after meeting in person. What’s that all about?
It felt like we were finally meeting for the first time since the main story started.
What the hell is up with a moon that doesn’t even investigate the position of a young master? It’s getting too stupid.
If the young heir knew about the opponent’s over-technology, he might mistakenly think he could counter it with militia enhancement and waste money, but it would really be a single option to unearth black history. The lunar side is probably only showing something like radio communication.
>>77It’s clear that with such insane communication technology, there’s no way to make it work even if you stretch your limits on Earth, so it’s a serious case that needs to hit the mark, and I think the heir who just ended it with military expansion is being careless.
Well, it’s like, resolving misunderstandings through chatting is super easy and doesn’t cost any money or effort, so it’s kind of strange that we neglected to do that, right?
>>82It’s impossible even for modern people.
>>87I didn’t say we have to understand each other completely.
Your claim is difficult for us because we have circumstances like this on our side.
The systems between the Moon and Earth are different, and the scale of what needs to be done is on a whole different level.
In the end, what the moon side did was a military invasion, so even if the young master’s response is poor, the degree of wrongdoing is different.
Guenn: “(I organized it, but) I have no command authority over the militia…”
It’s not good at all to have not gathered any information on the mysterious force.
Both were careless.
The Moonraces were just those confusing guys who had only communicated over the radio at that point.
Both sides have their faults, or rather, skipping the step of sending a messenger and suddenly coming down is too much.
Their claims show that they don’t understand the Earth, right? It’s clear even from a short conversation that they need to be explained things, and the fact that they haven’t even done that…
In the novel, there was a check and monitoring of “outsiders” like Knox that started two years ago.
I don’t think such a setting existed in the anime.
In the novel, Gwen says that when she met Keith, she had been keeping track of such people’s comings and goings for two years.
The young master really hasn’t communicated anything at all, judging by how things have been since the negotiations started.
>>90Which side is more barbaric, the Earth side that unilaterally ends negotiations and descends with battleships and weapons without permission, or the Moon side?
>>94There is also responsibility on the heir who has been idly going along without even being able to exchange valuable information for two years.
I mean, why does the Diana Counter only have MS like the Wadom? It’s way too overpowered for sure.
>>91Wadd was there too, right?
Moonrace has a technological advantage, but it doesn’t mean they have an abundance of MS, so there are no options available.
Flat used up the advance team led by Roland and borrowing MS from the Ginganam fleet is also not ideal.
>>92Perhaps what we’re doing is the same as the Earth side, which looks down on us as barbarians, just because the repair technology remains.
>>99If I had the time, I’d dig up MS on Earth and put it to use! But I’m not doing that…
>>99There are various theories because it depends on the materials.
It is written that the spacecraft on the lunar side was directly maintained and used as it was made during the black history era.
It’s a ship-to-ship weapon created during the Wodom and the Black History era.
>>99In the end, it’s just about what will come out of the mountain cycle.
In the era of the main story of HIGE, neither of them is in a generation that develops super weapons on their own.
>>91I thought the big one would scare the savages away…
It’s a story where there are many characters who are brazenly flipping between allies and enemies.
Given that G-Reco seems to be a result of Tomino’s later habits, it can’t be helped.
Well, F91 is probably a different matter.
Even the heir seemed to have a vague understanding of the Sun Belt, which is just too lackluster.
Vadd is made of paper, to the level that he gets shot through by a real savage with a longbow, so if Wodum is a tank, then that’s more like a Humvee.
Generation of the Ice Age
Given the discrepancy in each other’s perceptions in the main story, it makes you wonder what the young master was talking about.
If I’ve wasted two years just stalling, of course I’m going to get mad.
It’s not great for a lord to casually share information just because an alien says they want to live on Earth and asks for agricultural land, right?
>>102The information, or rather the claims that the other party is making, are essentially not valuable to people on Earth since they originate from the land we live in, right?
No, that’s not it. It’s important for us, so let’s at least say that.
>>106I have no obligation to teach those guys, whom I’ve never even met in that world of technology, that much.
It’s like giving out a contact number for the network just because someone asks, even though there might be a possibility they are an intelligence agent from another country.
>>114Even if we haven’t met face to face, the fact that those who possess amazing technical skills are showing interest means we really need to respond seriously.
The young heir is actually given communication technology that is impossible on Earth.
>>117That’s why they’re even more on guard; they don’t understand the true intentions of the other party.
Why are those guys only able to communicate via radio without coming to see us?
>>128It’s a waste not to engage since it’s clear that I’m aware of how different the other person’s words and culture are from ours.
>>102The Earth side does not know that the Sunbelt is a granary area.
That being said, no matter what agreements may have existed in the distant past, they are unacceptable to people in the present.
Some people seem to know about the agreements in that area, though.
“You guys are the descendants of those who ran away from Earth in the first place, so there’s no land to give to people like you!”
There are people who say that.
>>112It’s understandable for those who know that the number of settlers is increasing and that it’s extremely useful as a granary area.
The young heir simply hadn’t even done a little bit of research.
There’s also one made by someone who dug up a mobile suit from the Moon’s mountain cycle, right?
>>104There is nothing being made.
I’m using and maintaining everything that has been around since long ago by repairing it.
>>104I think the gold sumo was produced by Mountain Cycle and the silver sumo was made through reverse engineering.
It might be just a baseless rumor from an anonymous source.
You have to at least explain why you can’t hand over the land…
>>111Even though the moon is advancing, it seems they don’t understand the importance of land to live on.
>>116Of course it is.
The moon puts citizens into hibernation on a regular cycle, creating food in specific areas, resulting in a completely different culture.
So you have to say that the Earth is different, okay?
>>119Did Tsuki explain all of that and make the young master understand?
>>125I don’t know.
But if both of them were talking about themselves, the heir probably had plenty of opportunities to interject.
If you really think that we can eliminate the discrepancies in our common sense just by talking with a people who have the technology and money to settle on their own, you could become a hero by going to Palestine in real life, you know?
That’s exactly the kind of people, those who are about to be evicted from their land or have already been evicted, who form the militia.
To be honest, if negotiations weren’t progressing, the Moon side should have changed their negotiating partner or looked into the young heir.
Why are you getting mad on your own while leaving everything to the other person?
>>120I don’t understand what the young master was saying, so I can’t really say anything.
There’s a possibility that they said something appealing to pull people in, or they might have considered the Concorde effect.
Isn’t there an excessive number of people who don’t understand the premise that life on Earth and the Moon is different?
But… but Lady Diana is nearing the end of her life, so she can’t wait any longer…
The young master said that the reason why not many people live in Sunbelt is due to harmful sunlight and such.
According to Roland, it is said that the barren land has become fertile relatively recently.
(The people who lived there fled when the war started.)
It has only been recently that it became usable as agricultural land, so the young heir probably knows nothing about it as it is.
It might be that I didn’t research anything as mentioned above.
You say that the discrepancies between us can be understood through words, yet…
It’s hard to understand from the perspective of an heir that it’s impossible to distinguish between the nameless ethnic group that merely showed wireless and the one that uncovered a dark history.
Around episodes 3 to 5 in the early stages.
“I would like to put the negotiations on hold because the civilizations and cultures of Earth and the Moon are too different.”
The young master is making an offer.
During that meeting, the elder fired a crossbow, and both Colonel Aji and the elder died, making things even more complicated.
Just because the other person is like that, there’s no need for a young heir to stoop to the same level.
There are many parts that I think are strange, so go ahead and point them out.
It’s the land where our ancestors lived during the mythical era, so please return it. Not many people live there, right? It’s good to take it over with a foothold and shut out the indigenous people.
>>131I’ve heard something like that in reality!
>>132In reality, the invaders are not descendants of the moon, so it’s a much worse bug.
>>131Due to the ongoing chaos, Knox moved away to near the Sunbelt and established a nation there for the time being.
The DC side ultimately did not go as far as Sunbelt.
In any case, Kiel, who had once stopped the founding, was taken over by Phil, who ultimately established the nation.
I think it’s even more complicated because it was done outside of the sunbelt.
It means that you’re wasting the opportunity to gather information.
As a negotiator, the amount of depiction between Colonel Aji and the young heir is so different that it tends to appear as if the young heir is failing.
Being a scion, he properly recognizes the importance of radio and has reached the level of negotiation, which is a testament to his civilization level.
There may be others, but at that point, it was rare, the heir.
>>136The young heir was both good and bad, a little too smart.
The original problem is so full of points to critique and so complicated that it’s impossible to resolve, so it’s only natural that a creation modeled after it would also have points to critique. It’s not a simple matter of what could have been done differently.
The complication arose mainly because Agrippa devised various plans in the early stages, so I don’t think the faults on either Earth or the Moon have any relevance to that.
Did this person really think they could become a queen?
>>140B…because the mastermind of the coup said in bed that they would make me queen…
>>140I thought I could become it because I’m an idiot.
If this guy hadn’t been around, things wouldn’t have gotten so tangled up, so he’s a bad person.
>>142Well, it became even once Elder Il was burned!
Then, we had a reconciliation to the point of holding a friendly party, didn’t we?
It was because Agrippa and his gang were instigating.
Because Agrippa interrupted, we were about to restart the negotiations.
After that, they continue to harass DC and manipulate things to steal Earth’s resources.
It’s not that the situation became critical because of Pou.
It’s true that I was forced to take my seat because of the beam cannon, but I think if we were on the same level, we would have gone straight into war.
Since Milan, who is Diana’s close aide, is in contact with Agrippa, it’s already hopeless at this point.
The heir had prepared a militia as a rival organization, but he has no command authority and is running wild, so this isn’t good either.
>>149Unlike DC, the militia was just out to crush the moon guys without any political struggles involved!
Agrippa: “It seems we’re in quite a predicament. If the queen is in danger, I shall send a large supply of ammunition and a rather aggressive Kolen to Earth!”
If Pou wasn’t shooting a beam, the elder of Il wouldn’t be shooting a crossbow either.
I understand that you have resentment and your anger is justified, but…
I wish the elder of Il had refrained from burning the great person of the moon because it would be disadvantageous for Earth afterward.
If it’s someone important enough to be at the negotiation table, even more so.
Aggripa interfered with the supply shipments, which led DC to start pillaging on Earth, resulting in a bad impression and causing returnees to defect; it’s truly a traitor within the ranks.
But I understand how Phil feels about liking this guy.
I think she is the best woman if treated like a fool and regarded as a lover.
>>155As long as it leads to the trigger of war, yes.
Agrippa and Gingernum, after having caused so much trouble themselves, say something like, “Oh, it seems like things aren’t going well for Diana!” which is just the worst.
Gingaman shouldn’t be engaging in interference operations for the return mission (can’t do it).
Disruptions on Earth are probably mostly orchestrated by Agrippa.
Well, Ghingham and Agrippa are in communication, so they understand the situation.
Even if you’re riding in a tank, it’s scary when Indians are shooting arrows at you.
>>159“I kept saying for two years to just give me the land after handing over the radio.”
>>164If we talk to each other, we’ll understand, and although that’s properly addressed in the main story, it makes you wonder what the young heir was doing for those two years while things dragged on.
>>159Forgetting that you are trampling on Indian land with your shoes, and then firing tank shells and killing a large number of civilians, of course, negotiations will get complicated.
My boyfriend, who seems to be quite high up, is hundreds of times more stupid than the one in the thread image…
There are plenty of crazy guys with light triggers in the militia as well…
Society is amazing.
Even in the final stage, people around are like, “Socia, come on…”
Even Roland would go “hmm…” at this level.
About Gaban?
From a god’s perspective, nuclear weapons would be dangerous, but there’s no way someone from that cultural level would understand something like that.
>>167If it’s Gaban, they are attacking recklessly not just with nuclear but also with sheer force, right?
>>170Civilians in the Bolzano territory are also being plundered by DC.
It’s a toss-up.
Regardless of ignorance or whether we can fight or not, we are both attacking each other, aren’t we?
Gavan is doing the same, and Sergeant Yani is using the ceremony to carry out surprise attacks, it’s serious…
There is a fear that a declaration of nationhood will be made if the ceremony is not disrupted.
Well, it can’t be helped; it’s normal to just go through with it.
Not understanding the seriousness of invading someone’s territory with battleships and mobile suits without permission is quite a foolishness on the part of the Moon side.
The militia’s lower ranks were running rampant enough to give the heir a headache.
What got me thinking “Is this for real?” was the collapse of Knox caused by Colin.
It’s at times like these that Gundam comes! I can somewhat agree with that.
Well… since Lady Diana says it’s allowed, I will permit it…
Since almost all of Earth has become a battlefield, it’s unfortunate for the ordinary citizens of Earth who got caught up in it.
Most of the people who died in this war were soldiers, right?
>>181There may be dead settlers, but their numbers are probably incomparable to the citizens of Earth.
>>181Some repatriates who accompanied the return operation did so with the promise that they would be free to do as they please after returning to Earth.
The flow is that I escaped after being pushed into a residential area when negotiations didn’t go well… but I think many probably die caught up in the war.
It seems that there were instances of camps being attacked or something similar.
In the early stages, Korren was really…
There were plenty of scenes and dialogue showing that the Earth side is doing what it needs to do.
>>186There is a structure that makes it absolutely impossible for Earth to invade the Moon.
No matter how far we go, the actions on the side of Earth are nothing more than defensive measures against the invaders.
The fact that a significant number of non-combatant lunar returnees have become victims means that nothing is being done, right?
It’s a bit much to involve people who are not even part of the military.
Militia isn’t that beautiful, you know.
I understand that the heir has ambition, but it’s unclear why the soldiers who went with him are also going along with the rebellion.
On the Earth’s side, if we go through the proper methods, we are guaranteed to lose, so we can’t afford to be picky about the means. If we win, we can obscure it, and the Vietnamese would understand that.
Since there are also depictions that make one wonder whether it’s really mutual or if there are underlying motives…
It seems unreasonable to interpret that everything the Earth side does is absolutely correct.
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