Finally, this episode has arrived…
What is about to begin?
>>2Even though we lost, we are starting to reward the winning side ourselves.
>>4？？？？？？
>>16Of course, I was ignored.
>>4Are you saying that even though you were treated unfairly, Nobuyoshi was able to push through solely with charisma and momentum?
This person lost, right?
Hmm… can I say it’s divine…?
>>5Not only is the audacity to do that surprising, but I also think it’s an inconceivable situation that the side that received the reward accepted it without question.
Retire.
Is this the one where the rumor has it that they start handing out rewards on their own?
Um… that crazy guy…
Logically speaking, it seems that the content of the reward was reasonable and the recipient was satisfied with it.
>>10Even though they won, it’s suspicious that the younger brother’s side was fully opposed, and they have smoothly returned to power, so it feels like they never intended to topple Tokiyoshi’s administration from the start and have just fabricated a way to settle things.
>>10In the first place, Yoshitomo’s side was only calling for the expulsion of the Takahashi clan, which was exerting its tyranny within the government, and did not actually consider seizing power.
There is logical legitimacy for the top figure, the shogun Ashikaga Takauji, to decide the merits and rewards.
It’s just that you lost after supporting the higher side…!?
>>10It was reasonable, or rather, it was simply fast.
Without complaining about bringing things back all rattled, they gave me what I wanted right away.
Sometimes I would book and give the same land to both of them.
In that case, the individuals involved should just kill each other, and that is simple and, conversely, good for the receiving side.
“The idea of ‘cutting it off as soon as there is a dispute’ was very appealing in this era.”
A story that you don’t really understand even after reading the spoilers.
An example of what can be done when divine power is high.
Someone push back on this story for being too unrealistic.
It was said that the reason for defeating Masanori was for Yoshimitsu, so it wasn’t strange, and I understood various arguments about it.
This guy has such thick skin, doesn’t he?
From the flow of things, it can be understood that Yoshitsune is, in a way, not an enemy.
>>13
Do you really acknowledge your neighbor’s rewards and promotions?
No matter how absurd it may be, we have no choice but to believe in this Chronicle of the Great Peace…
Is that thing that the anonymous users often talked about finally coming?
The president sided with the executive director in the internal conflict with the managing director, but the managing director won.
However, since the managing director did not request the president’s resignation, the president handled the follow-up after the executive director’s resignation.
>>20Well then… isn’t that just ridiculous…?
>>20If anything, the justification for the executive gathering allies is to not allow the senior managing director’s tyranny, which deceives the president and does whatever he wants.
>>47It doesn’t seem so unreasonable when I write it like that…
>>51Do it properly.
>>55It doesn’t matter whether you firmly support it or not, because Naoie has approved it and is returning to it…
Honestly, how is this person rated outside of this manga?
>>24Incredible guy
>>24I don’t understand.
>>24A position that created the behavior of samurai connected to the Warring States period during the Edo period.
During the Meiji to early Showa period, there was a villain so notorious that a minister who made supportive statements was forced to resign in shame.
>>30Naso
nin
>>24The imperial lineage of the imperial family was thrown into disarray, resulting in a very poor reputation until after the war.
>>24Wasn’t it synonymous with evil people?
If you’re going to spoil it, at least reveal the content.
Stop making that face.
What are you thinking?
Isn’t this a cartoonish exaggeration?
>>31It is quite famous as an episode that represents Masakado’s insolvency.
The historical facts lack too much realism…
If I break it down properly one by one, I might somehow understand the meaning of the action… I can’t get it… what is this guy…
In the whole history of Japan up until today, this is the only one that has managed to survive by splitting the imperial family into two.
Well, the actual situation is that it would have been fine to have Yoshimitsu as the top, or rather, they probably didn’t want to make Yoshinori the top.
I’m looking forward to this manga because it’s clear that it’s going to get wild.
If Yoshimitsu hadn’t been Yoshimitsu, this shogunate would have fallen apart by the third generation.
I know that Taiheiki is not based on historical facts and has a high degree of fictionality, but if it’s fiction, the development of the story is even more incomprehensible.
>>40In fiction, you think about consistency and such…
I can feel the vibrant presence of the author’s brush.
In the late Muromachi period, families with direct vested interests were still active, so I was really told to cut the nonsense.
During the Warring States period, it was said, “The founder of the Ashikaga did reckless things, causing trouble for his descendants, leading to the shogunate’s demise in such a disarrayed manner.”
“From the early Edo period, in the context of Mito studies: ‘This guy is really a terrible bastard, he’s an incredibly bad person.'”
By keeping it as an evaluation, it works well for the Tokugawa family, so I’ve been able to write whatever I want about them.
It’s fine to quell the chaos, but they are not a person suited for governance.
Isn’t it fine if the appearance here looks like Sanetomo, but the heart is like Kusunoki? I’ve seen that occasionally. Is that the kind of feeling?
>>46The figure of Kusunoki was treated as an ideal of loyalty, having devoted himself to the Southern Court.
>>46I always think, “That’s 100% Yoshimitsu.”
The samurai of peaceful Edo, the samurai of the Warring States, and the samurai of Kamakura are truly different beings…
I’m looking forward to finally being able to read the story I learned about in the thread since the escape of the young ones began.
If we are talking about historical facts, there are people saying that it actually doesn’t seem to be managed, or that the way it was translated is bad, right? It’s something that has various opinions on it.
The theory of Ume-Matsu is more credible, but because it favors Ashikaga, it doesn’t depict aspects that are inconvenient for them very well.
As a result, one has no choice but to believe only the exaggerated stories of the Taiheiki that are disadvantageous to Ashikaga.
It refers to the Meiji and Taisho periods, or the period of the rule of the Empire of Japan.
– The Minister of Commerce and Industry of the Cabinet
“Even Ashikaga Takauji wasn’t such a devilish figure to be written about like that; didn’t he have some kind of troublesome issues back then?”
The text I wrote was dug up by the opposition party.
“I’m being attacked for protecting the traitors who shook the foundations of the state back then,” and he resigned as minister.
When the film law that censors movies was enacted
“Violation of the certification standards is this and that~~”
The person who made a movie that glorifies an asshole like Ashikaga Takauji should…
“From now on, actions that would mislead younger generations learning about Japanese history regarding the concepts of right and wrong in national history will be severely punished.”
It was specially prohibited by being assigned a specific clause.
>>54Up to that point…
>>69Well, we split the lineage of rulers that has continued since ancient times right in half…
Even though we won, for some reason Uesugi-kun ends up taking the blame for the annihilation of the Katsu clan.
>>56I showed off well this week…!?
>>60Uesugi and his companions defeated the Takeda clan and achieved a victory, so let’s reward them.
Hmm, let’s do this, execution by beheading.
Then, that’s what Tokiyoshi said.
>>56Well, in this analogy…
It is only natural to punch someone who is taking advantage of the internal turmoil caused by others.
I can understand if the president reflects on it, but somehow they start to take charge with confidence.
>>57It’s because the president has no choice but to do it.
>>59The structure is like that, but it’s more about the attitude…
Allowing such a ridiculous name to pass means Shueisha is done for.
He is a level of talent that even Mr. Matsui, who was beside the Hajikerist, struggles to handle, Yoshimitsu.
If any other more accurate documents had come up, we probably wouldn’t have adopted such a chaotic process.
As expected, it turned out that the escape party couldn’t win against the real oddball, it exceeded our imagination too much.
It’s not the cause, it’s the responsibility.
Since after World War II
“It’s not quite like the evil demons of the pre-war era, but…”
“Isn’t it the case that every time this guy finds documents, he creates such chaos that the administration is thrown into complete disarray?”
“If you bring that up, the situation around the time of the Northern and Southern Dynasties is completely chaotic.”
A political policy that has continued to avoid situations in an ad-hoc manner without a clear strategy.
“I think it’s about as strong in war as a ridiculously powerful rich uncle.”
“To interpret the randomness of this situation and the intense fluctuations of emotions”
“Isn’t this guy suffering from schizophrenia or bipolar disorder?”
“We’re historians, not doctors, so we can’t make that judgment.”
Such an evaluation.
In reality, it’s interesting that Yoshitsune starts to move with all his might from around here, but if it’s based on the Taiheiki, that part is almost completely cut.
>>71In this work, that second generation is a puppet manipulated and used by various factions…
>>71Politically eliminate Tokiyoshi, who sided with the Southern Court.
Takauji also used the ultimate technique of Nyoji, “Southern Court Surrender Enemy Certification Reversal,” which was produced by Yoshitane.
>>71Are you having that lover boy do the part where this guy was operating in the shadows, Matsui-sensei?
Is it okay to raise the stakes by saying that this reward conference is more divine than the counterattacks of the early generations and the battles in Kyushu?
>>72Because victories and defeats can be reversed, a phenomenon occurs that is rarely seen even in battle manga.
I don’t understand why the historical Uesugi accepted this situation in the first place.
>>107That’s easy to understand.
Since Naoyoshi has no intention of opposing, there is no one who can object to Takauji’s decision.
>>113Break away.
Both Hojo and the Southern and Northern Courts have been betraying each other easily.
…but in modern times, it would be…
>>116The content of the admonition that Tokiyuki was discussing this time is exactly that.
…When I was told, “Even if my beloved boss, a dark elf, goes crazy, I can’t abandon him,” it made me go, “Oh… oh…” as a reader.
>>113It’s probably also because the important figure of the opposing faction, Brother Takahashi, has died.
Originally, there is an aspect that Yoshimitsu became the leader somewhat by default because Emperor Go-Daigo, whom he supported thinking he was the right person, had poor governance ability.
It’s possible that historical records were left behind, but it wouldn’t be surprising if they were burned at some point in time due to various circumstances…
To be blunt, the idea that even if the leader is a good-for-nothing, one should silently obey orders and die was extremely convenient for rulers from the Edo to the Meiji period.
It’s quite an exaggeration to say it’s anonymous, but I think the interpretation based on the Taiheiki is interesting.
Well, it might be more impressive that the materials from 60 years ago are still properly preserved.
Heh… don’t worry.
If Yoshitoki arbitrarily advances rewards and punishments, no one will die.
It simply means that the way of thinking in Taiheiki becomes the same as that of Go-Daigo.
>>83I don’t want to…
The historical evaluation and recognition are far greater than that of Nobunaga.
>>84That’s absurd.
>>84The Nanbokucho period was a mess, that’s absurd!
Everyone worked hard to kill me!
I know your hard work well!
Continue to do your best for me from now on!
I don’t understand why Naoaki’s biological child suddenly appeared and then died.
Was it like that from the original source?
>>91Originally it was a very cold period, so the story goes that they died because of that, but in this case it feels like they died because of Taira no Yoshitsune’s divine power.
But Yoshitsugu is the shōgun, right?
Well, is that good?
Nobunaga’s popularity has risen recently.
>>94Here we go again with that hearsay knowledge from the internet…
There is no one more famous as a samurai than Yoshimitsu, right?
>>95It is always impossible to surpass the popularity and recognition of Yoshitsune, no matter the era.
I’m relieved that the Kanno Disturbance seems to be given an entire chapter.
It’s not Yoshitsune, it’s Kuniyuki.
There is no doubt that Yoshitsune is a huge fan of Yoshitsune.
Since Shogun Ashikaga Takauji hasn’t lost, he will reward his merits.
The popularity of Yoshitsune is due to the legendary stories, just like Yoshie and Raiko.
It’s only natural for the shogun to handle rewards and honors.
If we’re talking about popularity, there’s no one who can beat Tokugawa Ieyasu.
If we’re talking about popularity, the popularity of the Nanboku-chō period itself comes first…
That’s just because it’s not popular in modern times.
Suddenly, someone named Takashi without a title has shown up, proclaiming to be the best in Japan, Ashikaga Takauji…
>>106Indeed, Nameless likes married women and men who are a bit crazy…
I am the shogun.
You guys, subordinates.
I am on the side of reward and punishment.
OK?
>>109Uh-huh.
>>109You lost, didn’t you…?
Please say something, Nakayoshi-san!!
Even if we say it’s godly, to be honest, given the flow of the manga, it feels like the neighboring person would normally continue the brother’s influence, so if they start taking charge, it wouldn’t be surprising, right?
>>110However, they accept the punishment that is given to them.
It is evident that Takauji understood the importance of not relinquishing his rights to reward and punishment.
In fact, from around here, wouldn’t it be fine to temporarily defect to the Southern Court? This common understanding will lead to chaos.
During the Sengoku period, the topics that came up were mostly about Takauji or Masashige.
I like the summary-like thing that the anonymous person made this time.
After all, it’s my younger brother’s fault, isn’t it?
>>122If only my younger brother said he would become the Shogun.
According to someone who seriously researches historical facts,
“It is certain that after this, Yoshimitsu came out, said what he wanted while being carefree, and left satisfied.”
“However, there are no traces in the historical records that indicate that Yoshimitsu’s demands were seriously fulfilled.”
“That’s why I think Naoyoshi just brushed him off lightly and sent him home.”
“Then, it would also serve as a pretext for Takauji to protect his subordinates…”
Had written views like that.
>>123That’s unrealistic.
If you think about it seriously, that’s not the case at all.
>>134How can I come up with realistic and reasonable opinions?
It’s like an existence that wears the skin of a person with such absurdity.
There are way too many lies exposed.
I guess Yoshitsugu will be exiting here.
Toki wasn’t silent about anything!
Uesugi-kun, who had a policy of beheading, was pardoned with exile!
>>126You are the buyer, right?
It’s a civil war, so it doesn’t matter which side wins; the power dynamics won’t change regardless.
My brother is not cut out for the top.
Wasn’t the Uesugi exile after they clashed again?
It was supposed to be separate from this penalty.
>>133I think this is the right time because it was a punishment for the genocide of the Takai clan, which was supposedly exiled under the pretense.
Elves are well…
Although it was tacitly approved, it will end up looking like an explosion.
Well, it’s just a way of saying you should go through some punishment, I guess…
Nobunaga is indeed at a level where 91% of Japanese people can match his face (portrait) with his name.
I can still understand if you want to provoke the opponent with maximum power as you retreat!
This guy is serious about it, so I don’t understand the meaning.
The Legendary Conference
Looking at the thread, it seems that if you want to, you can come up with a pretty good rationale for the future developments.
The anecdote I heard from my parents has finally…
>>142Listen more to your parents’ praise and rewards.
Are Uesugi’s mad dogs going to be beheaded?!
>>143Of course.
Otherwise, I can’t fully commit to such malicious depictions.
I want to hear more stories about my parents.
Looking back now, the term “Nanboku-chō period” is quite an extraordinary phrase…
>>148The more I learn about the existence of the emperor, the more I think, “This guy who messed up is really crazy, isn’t he?”
>>152Well, there are quite a few factors that make you wonder why the emperor is still safe and sound…
>>162It’s quite a ridiculous life hack to maintain one’s own lifeline by fully committing to the ornament of authority.
If anything, during the Showa era, by discarding even authority and becoming a symbol of national unity, it became even less targeted.
>>148It is fascinating that, regardless of the era, no matter how many power holders like the Fujiwara clan or the shogunate appear, none seem to think about replacing the emperor.
>>156Kyoumon: “Did you call?”
>>159You haven’t taken over the world yet…
The Nanboku-chō period in Japan isn’t anything great, though.
The Northern and Southern Dynasties period in China wasn’t much good either.
If you’re interested, please look it up.
>>149I understand that once the dynasties are divided, there’s nothing but conflict!
In the end, isn’t it wrong that Naoyoshi, who holds the violence, and his subordinate warriors have given in? Why did they give in?
>>151He never intended to crush his older brother in the first place.
Even if it’s not Yoshitsune, I’ll use it skillfully.
The Kamakura period was not very different just because it was not divided into two.
On a different front, Yoshimitsu dealt with it forcefully, but the embers had been smoldering all the way back to the Meiji period…
My lord!
>>155That’s only your brother making that face.
Even during the Bakumatsu period, there were discussions like, “Wouldn’t it be great if we could just install a convenient emperor for ourselves and have him issue decrees?” “Stop it, stop it!” It’s a lawless and reckless maneuver to establish the court.
If the useless court serves no purpose, it can be discarded or eliminated and changed.
I’ve been doing that for a long time now.
Half of the emperor’s blood is Fujiwara, so there’s no need for me to become one anyway.
Because Ashikaga Takauji is the Shogun of Conquering Barbarians, no one can oppose the meeting?
If your actions are like Ashikaga Takauji’s… but your heart is like Kusunoki Masashige’s… then it’s fine, isn’t it?
>>166Both are the completely nude type.
From now on, shall we use Ashikaga Takauji instead of Ishikawa Takuboku…?
>>168Kazushi is incredibly capable.
I have too much variation in my motivation.
From this week’s Naoyoshi’s lines, I’ve lost all the faction executives I chose.
“I’ll leave the future to Yoshinari and retire myself… That’s probably what everyone at that place is thinking, except for Motonori.”
Even if you only look at the talent for poetry, Takuboku is indeed capable.
>>172Takuboku recites poems.
It’s not that I’ve become a great creative figure by exaggerating.
Did you really do it?
>>174Although there are various theories, it is undeniable that Kageyama’s victory was achieved regardless of the process.
If the emperor were not a puppet of the warrior class or the regent families, he would have been crushed by someone a long time ago.
I’ve often heard the phrase that the original work lacks reality, but…
Isn’t the consistency pretty messed up rather than the reality?
What’s going on, original author?
The motto proposed by Nobuyoshi was far too convenient for Tokiyoshi.
Fundamentally, the Emperor has survived because he is good at flattering the strong.
This skill has been demonstrated without hesitation even after World War II.
I was so curious that I looked it up, but I didn’t understand the meaning and ended up laughing.
Indeed, it is a rebellion, but…
It’s a strange king that has power for generations but lacks actual strength, isn’t it, the imperial family?
>>182Therefore, this is the power to protect the emperor, which allows the samurai to rise in status.
Although my talent for poetry was overflowing, it wasn’t because I wanted to be a poet.
I wanted to become a novelist, but I didn’t really have the talent for it.
Someone who regretted the loss of poetic talent helped me anyway.
The person’s level of happiness was not very high when they died.
The life of Ishikawa Takuboku.
Well, Kusunoki Masashige has always been treated as a hero.
I think it was also convenient for making this guy the villain.
>>184No, what’s great about Masashige Kusunoki is exactly that.
It’s like I worked myself to death without changing jobs, caught between a charismatic super boss, a crappy boss who dislikes me for coming up from the field, and a rich kid who graduated from a low-ranking university.
It’s the kind of greatness that I would definitely want to refuse if asked if I wanted to imitate it.
The reason is completely unknown, so when creating something around this area, it’s often attributed to the fact that Naoki’s mental state was disturbed.
I can only say that I’ve lost my motivation…
Furthermore, Yoshinobu has no original intention of managing the world without a brother…
In this manga, even if Yoshimitsu does something absurd, it just makes me think, “Oh well, it’s divine power.”
Since Moro-chan exited quite gracefully, my younger brother’s future seems to be in jeopardy.
Isn’t my older brother’s understanding way too low? Are you okay?
>>191Love is blind…
There’s someone crazier than Six in real life, so it must be easy and fun for the teacher to draw them.
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