Before the One Year War…
A malicious politician, but within the scope of common sense.
Humans on Earth are just raising the sea level a little bit…
Is it confirmed that Zeon was assassinated after all?
>>4Light gray.
It is confirmed that a major purge was carried out centered around the Daikun faction in order to seize power thereafter.
>>7I feel like it’s stranger that the origin is saying, “This is white,” while doing this.
>>157I don’t think I’m doing anything white.
I think it’s just written that they can’t see anything and are fools.
You’ve been betrayed by Revel and are throwing a terrible fit.
>>157However, I think that the original Gihren Zabi was a bit too much of a cliché, so even if he had lived, it probably wouldn’t have resulted in anything good.
>>221In Origin, Zion is clearly depicted as just a rabble-rouser and portrayed as incompetent as a politician in peacetime.
>>4In ORIGIN, it’s almost white.
Everything else is consistently gray.
There should be no works that definitively conclude it is Kuro.
>>8Well, that red guy who went ahead and took revenge, even killing his few close friends, looks like an idiot, doesn’t he?
>>174It is unclear whether he killed Daikun, but it is certain that he neglected his wife and children afterward, indirectly leading to her death. Since then, numerous assassins have been sent, so it can be considered a legitimate revenge.
>>174Well, regardless of whether they are truly the assassin of Zion or not…
It is undeniably a fact that the Dykun faction, lacking a party leader, was subjected to a massive purge.
The reason Casval Daikun had to become Edward Mass and go into semi-exile is because of this raccoon-faced old man.
>>174Even if he wasn’t involved in Daikun’s death, the subsequent large-scale purge of the Daikun faction was clearly led by Degin, and it’s also true that the siblings had a hard time during that process…
>>174As for Garma, he is completely not involved in the assassination of Zeon Daikun or the purging of the Daikun faction, so he’s just foolish…
But killing Garma is the most effective harassment for the Zabi family, and since there was an opportunity, damn it!
>>188Why are you lingering at the bar, you!
>>192Somehow… it hurts more than I expected…
>>188Astraea was killed even though she wasn’t involved in politics, so this is retaliation.
Not everything can just be criticized indiscriminately.
>>4Well, it feels almost certain given the situation.
However, it feels like Gihren led the war against the Federation.
Did you kill Daikun?
The political struggle regarding Daikun’s death is still just a suspicion, so it’s not so bad.
It is inexcusable to leave hawkish Gihren as he is.
>>6But isn’t that just because it’s an authoritarian state?
Let’s make the cute Garma the head of the family here!! If we learn from history, it’s a flag.
No matter how you look at it, there’s no one but Gilen to be the successor, so it’s inevitable that we can’t stop it.
>>9Wasn’t Garma, who seemed to have virtue, enough?
>>11If I were to make Garma the successor now, Gihren would definitely assassinate Garma…
>>11In fact, Garma is connected to the influential people on Earth.
If Garma had lived, the American continent could have completely become part of Zeon’s sphere of influence.
For some reason, I ended up going on a suicide attack with Gao.
Why?!
>>36The thread image is bad, isn’t it?
>>54Response written by Casval Boy.
>>36Because he’s a boy.
Grandpa loves Galma too much.
He was an ambitious man, but he burned out after climbing to the top following the death of his boss, Zion.
Did you do this on a whim thinking it might work out by chance?
Whether or not he assassinated Zion, it is certain that he purged the Dykun faction and established a dictatorship in every work, so he is not moderate.
It feels like I’ve burned out and become all rounded.
>>16It seems that Gihren also respected his father when he was young.
After seizing power and becoming Prime Minister.
It’s amazing that he became a almost absolute monarch.
I believe the citizens have recognized this well.
>>17What’s up with the popularity of the Zabi family in Side 3?
Zabi! It’s not Zabi!
>>19No, more than that, Daikun’s popularity is also amazing.
The origin of Zoom City is the same, and the popularity of the Zabi family is based on the prestige of Dikeun.
>>19In an era where everyone in the family is capable and a strong leader is more desirable than anything, it’s no wonder they become popular.
I think it’s amazing how everyone in the Zabi family found Garma so cute!
Giren, are you really like that…?
Deggin dropped his staff.
Didn’t Gihren or Kishiria doubt anything when Garma died?
Giren is also just using Garma, but he doesn’t harbor any bad feelings towards him.
>>21It seems like you really like Dozle a lot too.
What was sent with the Big Zam was not a command to charge in, but rather a suggestion to escape while it’s causing chaos.
I should have enclosed a letter with it.
>>131I should have revealed my feelings more explicitly to my cute younger brother…
>>135That’s that, big brother! To that extent about me! I’m getting fired up, so I’m writing a reply letter asking for my wife, but it really feels like I might end up taking a plunge, that’s Dozle.
In Tomino’s novel, it is written that Daikun died of an illness, but in the secret meeting, it seems to be described differently.
Whether or not you assassinated Daikun, you took over Daikun’s position and raised the banner of independence.
When my son starts taking the best steps for independence, backing down is truly pathetic.
>>23Mass murder targeting non-combatants is not the best strategy.
>>237There is no other way to wrest independence from the federation, so this is the best move.
If you don’t like it, then don’t even mention wanting to be independent from the start.
>>242“Don’t even mention independence.”
>>322“Hey, nuclear attack.”
With this, the will of the universe has become one!!
Well, it’s only natural for the factions and people who were pushed down to think that Deggin must have been behind the assassination.
Garma cannot be seen as an object of caution, for better or worse…
>>25Not stupid or incompetent, but too honest…
>>29The youngest…
I think it’s designed to be more of an evil boss than Gihren.
If the Federal blunders before the war in Origin were part of the official history, then it makes sense that the popularity of the Zabi family, or rather the lack of popularity of the Federation, would be so.
In later side story manga, it is said, “I wish at least Garma from the Zabi family had survived…”
After all, Ghiren does have some feelings for his family…
If there wasn’t, I wouldn’t let Kyshiria do whatever she wanted like that.
It would have been good to disown Girell and have Kshiria marry instead.
>>34Hehe… stop joking…
Despite the fact that it has only lasted for at most three generations, the factionalism that resembles a game of nobility is prevalent, showing that people remain foolish even when they ascend to space.
>>37There are indeed some noble families from the old century.
Also, while space immigrants are often called abandoned people, there are also upper-class individuals like Dykun who chose to immigrate of their own will.
Giren is popular because he has abilities.
The relatives that Girein highly values are also competent, which is why they are popular.
Elements of royalty and politicians are mixed together.
It’s pretty much expected that Deggin gets shot by the Solar Ray because what Deggin is doing is absolutely outrageous.
But even my family thinks about Gihren.
That’s so shady, isn’t it…
The ones who hate Ghiren are my father and sister.
The only one Gihren hates is his dad.
>>42I hadn’t given up on him until he casually referred to my father as old and took it upon himself to engage in peace negotiations.
When Dozule died, the reaction was bad, so it has become quite complicated.
>>46Upon reflection, if Degwin had successfully negotiated peace there, I think the Zeon forces could have still been maintained, so it seems like a good point to withdraw.
>>52If Degwin holds all the power necessary for peace while completely ignoring Gihren’s position, then that’s the situation.
>>63The authority is held by Degwin.
The Grand Duke hasn’t retired yet.
Although Gihren holds the real power,
>>52There’s no way that’s true.
At that time, I thought the Federation had a decisive advantage, so if they had engaged in peace negotiations at that timing, they would have ended up with a complete surrender and taken everything.
Since it was determined that attacking with the Solar Ray made conquering Side 3 impossible, Zeonic was able to keep its resources and became one of the winners after the war.
>>65Up until a certain point, I can somewhat understand it, but when they start adding explanations with retroactive settings about Zeonic, it just doesn’t feel right.
>>42Rather, my father before he became senile was more skilled than Gihren, so I hold him in high regard.
Due to overly pampering Garma, they even suggested giving the commander a family funeral.
When I heard the news of Dozle’s death in battle, I took a cold attitude.
I lost my feelings because you unilaterally initiated a poorly timed peace negotiation without consulting me.
Isn’t it that Degwin isn’t loved by anyone other than Garma?
>>43It is thought that Kycilia had some affection, at least.
>>44Regarding the incident with Gihren, I think it was only driven by ambition and self-preservation… h
>>49I think that once Ghiren reached A Baoa Qu, which is like a lid on the main country, and conducted a fortress defense battle to crush the remaining forces of the main country, it was all over for him.
>>58It’s not over just because we have an advantage at the start of the war.
If Kshyria hadn’t attacked, we would have won.
>>68You know,
For example, even if Japan had won the Battle of Okinawa, it ultimately lost the war, right?
It will just end up grinding down the remaining resources.
Because you’re a politician, defeating the enemy fleet here and saying “Yay, I did it!” is not an achievement point that can be overlooked.
I think that aspect fits perfectly with Gihren, who was said to be Hitler’s tail.
>>90The analogy is completely off.
The entire federation’s space fleet was there.
To compare it to the Battle of Okinawa, if we win there, the U.S. fleet will be annihilated, and it will take time for reconstruction.
So until the reconstruction, the Japanese fleet can secure the port and win.
>>96The Zeon is crushing even regular troops and is relying solely on mobilizing students.
>>104What do you mean by “only”? What percentage are we talking about? Can you provide a source?
>>105Let’s watch the main feature.
The Federation isn’t deploying student soldiers, but Zeon has student soldiers fighting in Gelgoog suits.
>>114Amlro and the others are student soldiers, aren’t they?
>>122Is it the worst treatment, the minimum for civilians who were conscripted as student soldiers during wartime?
>>130Isn’t it great that the regular soldier, Ryu, dies first? No, it’s not great.
>>130The boy soldier from the Requiem Gundam is also…
>>164Besides that, there are also settings where militias are involved, so the federation is completely corrupt as well.
Zion is also very dark.
>>170What is it?
I just forced some Earthlings who were traveling inside the colony to work a little, didn’t I?
>>176Foreign Legion! It’s the Foreign Legion!
They no longer have a hometown to return to (because it was destroyed by Zeon), so I’m helping them find job placements!
>>122I touched on military secrets, so I had to choose between operating the secrets as they are or going to prison…
>>137In Char’s Counterattack, I might have been advising Hathaway and Quess not to look too closely at each other because of my own experiences.
>>90Fundamentally mistaken, but the battle at A Baoa Qu is one where the Federation’s resources are depleted.
If we lose there, we can no longer hope for satisfactory supplies; it’s a do-or-die strategy.
In the first place, considering the positional relationship between the Federation and Side 3, launching a counteroffensive would be an enormous burden, so if they lose there, the Federation would be at a loss.
>>100Why do people always say this?
– Zeon is struggling due to a lack of resources.
– There aren’t enough troops to the extent that student soldiers are being fully mobilized.
Both Luna II, essential for conquering Earth, and Solomon are within the Federation’s territory.
I guess they forget that.
>>110This is correct, but it will no longer be an issue once A Baoa Qu is fully defended.
On this side, it was a mistake, and Zeon still had plenty of resources left.
This was not originally because of Zeon or Gihren; they were drawn into it because the One Week War did not settle things from the start.
>>90I used to brush off Father’s harsh words about being called a loser of the modern era, thinking it was just cruel talk.
It’s nice to see the contrast in Gihren getting really angry when father reacted coldly when Dozle died…
>>101I think he’s really difficult to understand, but watching the anime, I feel like he somehow valued his brotherly relationship to some extent.
>>90
Do you know? … Adolf Hitler, Hitler? You are the tail of that Hitler, a dictator. Hmm… a dictator, a figure from the Middle Ages…? A man who changed the world… I have participated in the military establishment of Daikun… I am well aware of what that ideology entails…
I’m really pissed off.
>>128I’ve never seen someone refer to their own child as “lord” before.
>>128Because the trigger for the independence movement now lies only with Deggin, who is without Daikun, yet the person himself started saying it’s too much.
It’s a story you started.
>>128How many months was this war supposed to last, really?
>>153If Degwin let Revil go in Origin, then it’s confirmed that Degwin let him go; if Degwin hadn’t let him escape, it would have been over in a week.
>>153It’s been a week…
>>58It might be a misunderstanding, but the hardest part at A Baoa Qu was the Federation, right?
The Federation couldn’t capture A Baoa Qu, and that’s why they were making desperate attacks.
>>83Zeon had even mobilized student soldiers, didn’t they?
The federation has a lot of professional soldiers dying, but they are not pushed that far.
The neutral colony is starting to lean towards the Federation side.
>>99Before being a professional soldier, there aren’t any usable ships, you know…
We are using everything that can be used, including what was built on Earth, so if that place is breached, it will become impossible to surpass the Zeon defensive positions at that point.
>>111I don’t really understand why you think it’s in Zeon.
>>115That’s how it is set up…
>>119I want you to talk about something that was actually written in the main story, not in an after-the-fact setting.
Moreover, the federation actually has ample resources, which is why the setting for Zeta can be established.
It’s not just because we won the war.
>>43Kishiria standing next to me in a lover-like outfit.
Garma is just too cute.
It would have been nice if I had a face like Dozle’s.
>>45But when you look at a close-up of the face, it’s definitely Giran’s face, isn’t it, Garma?
You probably didn’t think that Dozle would end up dying in battle, did you?
>>47I’m telling you to run!!!
It seems like Girein is thinking that deep down.
If I hadn’t said “Hitler’s tail,” it wouldn’t have been held against me this much.
What are the upper classes managing each side? They are originally the upper classes, after all.
Not all Space Noids are oppressed, even if you refer to them collectively.
I am also a man of the Zabi family! Because my pride was incredibly high, Garma.
>>56It’s difficult not to feel complex about those siblings, isn’t it?
The grandfather cannot keep up with the high awareness of his son and daughter.
>>60A leader of a country moves too much based on emotions.
Rather, I think there was a difference in perception between Ghiren, who thought, “If we just crash the Big Zam, we can escape as much as we want…” and Degwin, who thought, “Given Dozle’s personality, he wouldn’t be able to abandon the fortress and come back in disgrace…”
The result was that Degin was right.
Kishiria thinks of Degwin as just a regular dad.
I don’t really understand Dozle.
If Matsunaga’s manga is considered canon, then he’s a father whose behavior makes him disliked even by Dozle, but I definitely think that isn’t canon at all.
Giren has control over personnel.
Kissyia first needs to search for personnel outside of Ghiren sympathizers.
As Colonel Asakura is assigned as the superior of the Sea Corps under Lady Kycilia, it’s a situation where they hide the use of poison gas from Lady Kycilia and push the responsibility onto her.
I understand that you have a good reputation, but I don’t want to live in that town.
Deggin’s peace negotiations are, to be frank, at the worst timing possible.
>>72Even if Giren were to accept, saying, “If father insists that much, then I have no choice…”
The soldiers on site will absolutely not be convinced, and I feel that the remnants will increase even more than in the main story…
>>72Even so, it is somewhat better than after the fall of A Baoa Qu and Granada.
What I really wanted was to have it be the Degin Duchy, not the Principality of Zeon.
It feels like a sense of obligation to meet the expectations of family and the nation, rather than pride.
I feel like that’s similar to Char, but I guess you wouldn’t understand since you don’t have a family! Also, since I’m stepping on Casval’s last nerve, I have no choice but to die.
Horrifyingly, Gihren has hardly misread the long-term strategy of the One Year War.
Moreover, it was the thread that destroyed the landing point that Gihren had envisioned twice.
Do you have a reason to love me?
>>76If Degwin let Revil escape, that’s really ridiculous from Gihren’s perspective.
Only Gihren thinks that we can win in the Aoba District Defense Battle.
>>77No, I thought both WB and the crew would lose.
Your perspective is just strange.
A person who looks like a typical evil mastermind but isn’t really all that bad.
Is Garma actually excellent at military school level?
Even putting aside that Char was slacking off,
Garma spoiling the cat and treating Dozle poorly as a parent is a bit…
>>85The youngest child born after the parents have aged is either treated like a grandchild and pampered or left to their own devices, combining the youngest child trait with that dynamic.
It’s strange because Revil seems to have quite a bit of substance and looks worse.
>>86He has a face like a calm old man, yet he is the leader of the hawkish faction.
In the original series, Abawooa Kuu is depicted as overwhelmingly disadvantageous for the Federation and advantageous for Zeon from both the Zeon and Federation sides, yet there are still those who claim Zeon is at a disadvantage.
I think it’s probably someone who has only seen igloos.
In the first place, that wasn’t the Aoba Ward conquest battle.
The fleet that was supposed to attack the homeland to escape the solar ray’s beam has been lured into Aoba District.
The original work and the subsequent side story consistently treat the execution of Gihren by Kycilia as a turning point.
If it weren’t for that, I think the defense would have been successful.
I don’t know what happens after that.
>>89The Federation no longer has any fleets that can be sent into space, so it’s going to end with the Federation and Zeon dividing their living spaces on Earth and in space like they did with the Zieg Aks.
Kishiria is such a loser that if she actually held all the power, she would quickly run away.
It seems that in Zeon, Kishiria and Gihren are in a power struggle, but I wonder if Degwin is still alive.
It’s just like the Japanese army, still thinking they can win at the end of student mobilization.
“Aren’t we overwhelming, our army?”
I wonder why they resist the depictions mentioned in the story, what an idiot.
>>102You’re foolish because you resist.
“The claim that ‘a defeat in the homeland battle isn’t a defeat until we lose’ is too reminiscent of the behaviors of the old army.”
The human resources are being crushed by ZION.
No matter how many people and industrial power there are, the Federation lacks the actual weapons and the ships to carry them.
The main forces in space are being burned by solar rays.
I believe that if we had just won at the Abawaku defense line, a ceasefire that was equal or slightly advantageous would have been more than possible.
It’s not as overwhelming as the person claims.
Gundam fans really love to play strategist with information that’s not in the series.
In Origin, I freed Revil, but then he counterattacked and I was so furious that I wanted to kill that bastard Revil, Degwin.
I feel like something suddenly changed.
Did the memory of being out-argued in another thread resurface?
The discussion is mixed with anime, novels, origins, and other works, and everyone is asserting different things.
>>118Not only official works, but also fan-made creations and fan fantasies from the internet are mixed in!
>>118In other words, it’s Yassan’s fault.
If there is a future to draw back to, the Star One Fleet would retreat instead of charging into A Bao A Qu.
Even if you ignore this and say “the federation had room,” I can only say that’s your delusion.
In fact, both Granada and Side 3 still have fleets, so the Zeon side has more leeway.
Supposing there was no execution by Kycilia and the defense was successful, leading to peace negotiations.
On the Zeon side, the conflict between Gihren and his father as well as with Kycilia is inevitable.
The federal side will inevitably see a trend towards rearmament.
I feel that, in any case, the future for the Zeon side is not bright, just like in the official history.
>>127In the flow of official history, Kishiria, who did almost nothing against Ghiren, cannot compete with him, who decisively won the battle with perfect strategy, so Ghiren’s stronghold is solid, and the matter of Deglin will likely remain ambiguous.
The entire space fleet was destroyed, so we lost air superiority and there’s no way to rearm.
If you try to launch it, it will be shot down.
>>134Although it was casually mentioned, Side 6 is still treated as an independent nation, but its space control is being restricted…
To be honest, this is all after we shot the solar ray, and conveniently forgetting that before that we divided our forces to suppress A Baoa Qu and were just about to dominate the mainland with the remaining fleet.
>>132So the story is that the main fleet, including the Revil, got blown away by the Solar Ray and then the tables turned, right?
>>132If they were separated, the main force would be obliterated by the solar ray, resulting in checkmate for the Federation.
In the main story, it was when Deggin was going on a rampage that the solar ray couldn’t be used at the most effective timing.
>>141When they fired the Colony Laser while ignoring Degwin and blew away the main forces, both Degwin and Revil would have been safe, and they could have achieved peace, but they went ahead and fired the Colony Laser! It became a really complicated situation for Zeon.
In Zieg Ask, there is a civil war between Gireen and Kirishia, but it seems like it could be resolved if they have an open and honest conversation.
Though the situation does not allow it,
>>142It’s because I don’t speak openly and I don’t listen to others.
>>149I’m the type that gets misunderstood a lot, and I think I’m smart enough that those around me should just follow my lead.
Despite that, they do have some semblance of compassion.
I have it, but because of that personality, people around me think there’s no way I have any affection, and my little sister hits me with beams from behind.
If only Sasuro was still alive…
Did you die because it would be bad to live?
The members of the Zabi family create a good-natured atmosphere by slightly opposing Gihren, but we must not forget that they are essentially two sides of the same coin.
>>146I can’t believe it… I just spread poison gas on the side that didn’t really join us and massacred them…
>>163Ah… I also dropped that colony full of corpses onto Earth, didn’t I…
>>167In Gundam X, I thought it was quite disturbing that the poison gas released when the colony’s residents were killed was spread from the colony to the ground during the crash, leading to a dangerous disease known as “colony cold.” Doesn’t that show a lack of humanity?
>>146If you seriously rebel against the Zabi family, you will either face purges or be sent on dangerous missions like Ral, where your loyalty is tested. Alternatively, you could find yourself in the Zeon swimming club, which lacks nautical know-how and is feeling its way through, or you might be sent to the Australian continent, where anti-Zeon sentiment is the strongest, especially after a colony falls.
>>146The upper management, including images of the approval and alignment with the war, as well as Kycilia and Dozle, and although Garma is often spoken ill of in the public eye, he is actually a good brother… It feels like they are underestimating Gihren’s massacres.
>>220The only completely innocent Zabi family member is Minerva, who is inside.
Gundam was abruptly canceled because it wasn’t popular.
You were planning to continue until a complete victory for the Federation, unless it got canceled, right?
I can’t distinguish between reality, the depictions in the work, the depictions outside the work, the flow of the thread, and memories from another thread…
What do you want to achieve by defeating an anonymous person in such a debate?
>>150It doesn’t matter.
I want to fight.
Prove which one is better.
It’s a mystery that Kshyria, who gives off a good vibe, is being betrayed by her own family in Zikuas.
I wonder if it’s really that serious.
>>151What if we think of it as a faction leader trying to do something to the world with psychic power?
>>154In other words, it’s Kagachi…
>>154It’s like Psycho Power, just like Vega!
That person is also planning to conquer the world, but…
It would be great if Nyaan dressed like Vega’s elite guard.
>>151Since the supreme leader Gihren is the ultimate authority, Kishiria is at a disadvantage no matter how much she tries.
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