>>3

Wolfenstein!

While a fascination with eugenics is one thing, it’s not like they committed mass murder or anything…

>>9

If we allow the destruction of colonies based on that logic, then isn’t the entire Earth on the side of the Federation?!

>>9

On the other hand, the purpose of dropping colonies, which is the destruction of Jaburo, can be justified, but isn’t the massacre of colonies more problematic?

>>42

The massacre with poison gas is an added detail in later works, so it wasn’t done at the time of the first one.

>>60

Regardless of the means, the massacre and colony drop happened back then.

>>11

In a total war that has become the norm, Kindaichi does not refer to the damage inflicted on civilian populations of enemy nations as genocide.

Or are you the type who calls the Tokyo air raids and atomic bombings massacres?

It hasn’t been specifically mentioned, but there is a possibility that they died in battle (assassination).

Kishiria is alive, but she probably won’t win in the political struggle.

Unless you show a clear mistake like in a historical record.

>>7

But with Ma Kube leading the Big Zam squad and Kshatriya taking in Char, it seems the Dozul faction is completely under Kshatriya’s command.

Isn’t Gihren going to lose with military power after all?

I’ve returned to the present, so I guess it’s fine…

Will this man be satisfied just with having obtained autonomy?

Perhaps it’s because Degging is still alive that they can’t do whatever they want?

Hitler ifs are just a load of crap, it’s fan fiction after all, no worries.

That said, it seems like she’s not all that close with Kichiria, even though it’s only in the movie part…

You might be surprisingly burned out.

Respected person: Gihren Zabi (No to Colony Drops)

Maybe if Zion had remained in the Zion notation, it would have caused controversy overseas, but since it seemed risky, I quickly changed it to Zeon, so it’s safe.

There’s no little mustache either.

Rather, it’s no good because if the Federation wins, as you can see, it’s guaranteed to be a long, messy, and rotten situation all the way to Hathaway.

>>23

It is certain that corruption will continue for about 130 years after Hathaway…

Humanity was (omitted) terrified.

It’s been talked about a lot, hasn’t it!

It seems that Zeon doesn’t have much money either, and since we don’t know what Kycilia will do, they might quietly focus on domestic affairs.

>>26

It’s saying that now is the chance!

>>24

The scene that causes Brother Dozuru to feel heartbroken.

It was Ghiren who was promoting the Big Zam.

When it becomes a Big Zam fight, beams won’t work.

In the end, it might turn into a situation where we tackle each other, shoot claw missiles, and kick each other.

It looks like the battlefield will become chaotic with the Rick Dom carrying a bazooka and its escorting machines mixed in.

>>32

Is that so?

People who still like Zeon in the current trend

I feel like there are many Ghiren sympathizers.

>>41

Please listen calmly.

In the eyes of the world, Gopp is an incompetent fatso.

Actually, it wasn’t portrayed more than that in the first place.

>>152

You should calm down.

It’s strange to call someone incompetent when there is no information beyond being overweight.

>>32

If anything, the director is even the biggest sympathizer.

>>32

The Zabi family’s Zionism is essentially a modified version of Daikun’s original ideology.

I think Zeon, as a dictatorial state of the Zabi family, would likely perish through civil war or something similar even if they became independent.

Even if Gihren and Kycilia take each other out, Degwin and Garma are still alive.

It might be better if we both fell together, as it could lead to a more beautiful Zeon.

Wasn’t Garma the one who deserted and left the military?

>>36

It depends on where you ran off to.

In the Anno plot, they are forcibly brought back to Side 3, but it’s unclear how much of that was fed back into the main story. That said, considering Char’s line about taking care of Garma after he left the military, it seems that at least in the anime’s timeline, the Zabi family is aware of his whereabouts.

It seems that the faction struggle with Kithiria is somewhat holding things back, for better or for worse…

In reality, if it’s a world line where we won, we will have no choice but to devote ourselves to domestic affairs.

The internal situation of Zeon is also in a shambles.

>>38

On the contrary, they even caused the so-called 17 Banchi incident and granted autonomy to Side 6.

>>38

If we lose, we’ll sell our technical skills! That’s how we became a rural colony where we can breathe delicious air even a hundred years from now.

If you win, you won’t be able to manage with deficit government bonds.

I feel like I can still understand Gihren better than Kishiria.

I don’t understand what Kycilia wants to do… Did she want to prolong the war?

>>44

In the novel version, Ghiren took action first because he considered Kycillia a threat, so it was primarily to protect himself.

>>48

In the end, before I can understand Kycilia’s thoughts or objectives, I’m just being pushed aside.

>>44

Wasn’t the brother who killed the father secretly afraid?

At this timing, it becomes difficult to judge that killing is dangerous.

However, there are many depictions in Kirishia that show foresight in various ways.

Giren showed understanding towards Newtypes, but prioritized the tool of propaganda.

The purpose is to manage and operate humanity, so there’s no way I would be satisfied.

Both the Federation and that giant bomb called Casval disappearing is an incredibly high boost in the current situation.

The relationship between Kishiria and Gihren is good, and if the typically conflicted older brother kills their parent, then of course they’ll have to kill him.

Are you doing it at that timing now?

>>53

I made a mistake.

Deggin

>>54

It was Kishiria who sold Degwin’s location to Gihren in Origin.

>>158

If you bring up the origin in this kind of discussion, you’ll get beaten up, so just stop.

Regarding the assassination of Gihren in the anime, it seems our army is overwhelming… Since we started our exchanges from the line “Isn’t it overwhelming?” it’s possible that we had a plan to win even if we eliminated Gihren here.

Doros will stand out! (No one is listening)

Kishiria seems to be moving with vague ambitions.

It might be just right as a decoy, but if that guy is the sole top, it seems like it would collapse immediately.

>>56

Because it’s innovative, I say yeah to conservative people.

So I was in conflict with Gihren and Dozle as well.

I don’t want to destroy the federation or anything.

I just want to manage humanity after purging those who become arrogant due to the excessively increased population, or rather, even after killing half, there are still too many.

During the One Year War, the shitty special forces and operations of Zeon are often blamed on Kishiria.

>>58

Well, it seems that neither Ghiren nor Dozle would be interested in doing that.

>>63

Duzer is also quite driven by personal grudges when directing the Conscon fleet.

>>63

If Dozle were to create a special forces unit, he would probably prefer to use those resources to make as many Zakus as possible instead…

>>79

Despite saying that, Char demoted Garma for emotional reasons after causing his death in battle.

Sending Ramba Ral and Conscon to the White Base to split their forces…

I’m doing quite irrational things.

>>58

If anything, it was Kshiriya’s squad that killed Iselina and brought Garma back with an Anno plot.

Degwin, Ghiren, Kycilia, and Garma are likely alive, while Dozle, who has been confirmed to have died in battle without any depiction…

Is Dozle going to die no matter what?

It seems that Ma-atari might do something in the name of Lady Kishiria.

Do you really want to reduce the population? Isn’t it just that you’ve later come up with reasons for how it turned out that way?

>>62

They’re saying that the population has finally decreased…

>>71

I originally intended for it to be a short war, but in hindsight, it ended up dragging on.

It just feels like they are saying it because there were a lot of casualties on both sides.

Well, at that timing, there’s no choice but to side with Giren! But I can’t really imagine what Kycilia’s political thoughts would be.

Did we ever talk about that?

In other words, most works that elevate Zeon are basically about the Zabi family’s massacre being terrible… but there’s an excuse that says we’re different! So it actually gives the impression that those who like Zeon are more annoyed by the Zabi family.

Is the book or novel version of Century the first to mention the use of poison gas?

Side 1245 being in ruins due to the war is a setting established by the time of the first main story.

You must have known that there was tremendous resentment from Kishiria when you took care of Great Degwin with the solar ray.

As Kishiria said, Giran is surprisingly lenient with his family.

>>70

It seems that older brother is sweet too.

>>70

I think there was a sense that, deep down, she was just as much of a rival as a political enemy, only my little sister.

Also, it’s scary that they are firmly devoted to Daikun.

There’s no malice like forcing Earth-born individuals in space into concentration colonies and then dropping those colonies, right, Gihren?

The fact that Kirishia’s faction is concerned only to the extent of letting Ma Kube launch a water bomb is noteworthy.

Giren has the image of a rational and ruthless man.

Either way, it’s a world that won’t function without massacres, so it’s safe.

If they won while being in a dominant position, they probably wouldn’t be giving a crappy, inciting speech like in the original work, but would instead be more calm, like a somewhat skilled and intimidating older man.

“It’s all about numbers in battle! I understand that in theory, but once I get behind the controls of the Big Zam and charge forward, I can’t help but be thrilled by its performance. That’s just who Dozul is.”

>>85

That’s a typical idea for a military in a disadvantaged position, lacking resources, relying on a remarkable secret weapon for a sudden turnaround.

What would have happened if that colony had actually fallen to Jaburo?

>>86

If it had properly landed on Jaburo and penetrated to the underground, I would have to admit defeat.

>>86

High-ranking officials might be able to escape before the fall, but the fact that the Federal Army fought hard yet still allowed Zeon to achieve its objectives is likely to diminish morale significantly.

>>86

Since I can’t grasp the exact position, I just drop it in a likely spot, so if I’m lucky, there might be some damage… that’s how it feels.

I’m including Kshira in a single ship, you know…

Bring more troops, okay?!

You are mistaken; the colony drop is according to plan for a short-term decisive battle, and at that point, half are already dead.

The conflict between the Titans and AEUG in the official history might be similar to Gihren versus a somewhat more polished Kishiria here.

I think that when Gihren was able to manage things as he pleased, he intended to control human activities in the Earth sphere and push for advancement into outer space with the remaining resources.

If we are to preserve the species of humanity, we need to spread further.

Duzur gives the impression of being the most emotional and unable to see the big picture.

>>95

You are a bit lenient with your subordinates.

Even though I’m complaining about Char, I’m still supplying the Zaku.

>>95

But my big brother is too focused on the big picture and is getting killed by his little sister…

We should thin out humanity in that world.

The increase is too abnormal.

>>96

The one who thins out does not intend to stand on the side of those being thinned out!

>>96

The population explosion occurs only at the moment when one moves from poverty to wealth (due to high birth rates and declining mortality rates from medical advancements), but since the story was drawn during that period, it does not take into account the subsequent low birth rate and aging population.

Ideally, it should be filled with siblings like in Demon Slayer, but that would be strange.

Since the federation has become a mob, if I manage to reduce the population to a suitable number for humanity, I would be a proponent of human happiness theory.

Well, even Zeon ends up like that as an organization due to internal strife, hehe.

>>100

It’s too big…

I don’t think Gillren is someone who lacks any sort of family affection.

The final trigger for Degwin to shoot was his cold attitude toward Dozle’s death.

If the mass driver hadn’t been destroyed, things would have been different.

Kishiria really shoots in that situation…

>>107

If you listen to the dialogue, you’ll understand, but at that point, the Zeon was overwhelming the Federation.

I completely missed the most important report because of a sibling argument, and right after that, the crucial Dross sank, leading the federal fleet to charge in.

>>124

You did it, Kshyria!!!!

Giren is saying something like “stop joking around” in response to Kishiria pointing a gun at him.

Giren feels like that’s that, and this is this.

>>110

Abandoned by Deggin, when I tried to advise him, he killed me.

Being resented by Kirisia and getting shot from behind.

The one who first dealt a decisive blow leading to the collapse was Gihren’s patricide.

Gundam usually has the worst means, but the enemies that are considering the future achieve about 50% of their goals and cause damage before losing to the Federation, so it might actually be better if the Federation loses sooner.

>>111

The means are seriously the worst, so it’s no good.

>>111

That’s right.

The reason the era of space warfare began is that we didn’t lose quickly.

>>111

Unless all of humanity becomes Newtypes, human organizations will generally become like the Federation.

>>111

The way of thinking about that future is about mass murder and reducing the population, so if they win, it might lead to the arrival of an era where people eat people a bit sooner.

>>119

Why are people eating each other when we’re trying to reduce the population?

>>125

If we continue to commit massacres, society will decline and deteriorate, and I don’t believe we can maintain proper food production infrastructure.

>>140

If the population increases, the necessary food will increase and there will be competition for it, won’t that lead to cannibalism?

By the way, I’m not really sure if Sasuro-kun was in the initial settings or if he sprouted up in the origin.

>>112

The name appears at the point in the novel.

>>112

I feel like it’s an origin, but I don’t know…

>>112

It feels like Yasuhiko brought to life a character that was almost just a setting in ORIGIN.

In the first place, organizations will inevitably rot if you take too much time.

It seems like if we take down the federation, the next post-federation will just rot away, which is something Hage has been depicting all along…

Was New York on the front lines with the Federation during the time when Garma died?

It’s not exactly at the front line, but it feels like an accident where the White Base appeared at a different drop point?

>>127

It feels like out of nowhere, we dropped into the territory that Zeon had taken over and unexpectedly defeated Garma.

>>135

Wasn’t dropping it in America part of Char’s plan?

>>142

Even if we can’t destroy the White Base upon re-entry into the atmosphere, it’s Char’s plan to bring it down into the Zeon territory.

I didn’t think you would go from there to being able to take revenge on Garma.

>>127

The Galma Federation troops in North and South America are fighting each other.

Garma is unable to move the front-line troops over there.

I went to fight WB in that state (I had no choice but to do so).

I was somehow trapped and died.

The idea of space colonization comes from the notion that humanity keeps increasing and the Earth is in trouble!

>>128

There may have been such elements, but it’s unclear whether it was really that urgent.

It cannot be denied that the Zabi family was excessively inciting hostility toward the Federation.

>>128

Even in developing countries, smartphones are the best! It’s not the time to be making babies! Lately, I find myself thinking, “Hmm…” about that.

Well, there are issues like environmental pollution and climate change, so there might be a direction towards space colonies as refuges for humanity where a clean environment is maintained with the latest scientific technologies.

Duzel is dead…

>>130

In the beginning of the movie release, the Federation’s white one that defeated Dozle’s Big Zam will appear!

The population recovery setting is the most unrealistic setting.

To be honest, if we’re going to redo “Hagane no Renkinjutsushi,” the most important aspect to address alongside the current declining birthrate would probably be this.

>>131

It would be the most boring if we were to perish due to declining birth rates, so no one creates sci-fi that reflects reality, not just Gundam.

It’s called “real blind” when you insist on sticking to reality and do things straight without considering entertainment.

>>137

Civilization decline → Repeating resets is not unusual in the Gundam world itself.

Well, since they didn’t update it, G-Reco painted its path to ruin based on the basic settings of UC, so it didn’t resonate with anyone.

The population is facing a stagnation due to declining birth rates and aging, but the growth rate in the information and communication sector is far surpassing the future predictions made during the Showa era, and this update is properly reflected in Gq.

>>131

By the time of Char’s Counterattack, the population has recovered, and the population pyramid has taken on an incredible shape, hasn’t it?

The Aoba Ward battle feels like it’s collapsing amidst the chaos, but before that, it seemed overwhelming, which makes Kshyria’s command appear poor.

In the opening narration, it keeps saying that the population has increased too much, doesn’t it?

The Federation has the strength even though they are just lacking motivation with things like V Gundam.

The narration states that humanity’s excessive population leads to population explosion, abandonment, and the decline of civilization due to colony drops. These three factors confirm that the situation in the Universal Century is already predetermined as a failing state.

The same goes for species C.E and X’s A.W, but when a colony drop is successful, civilization reaches its limits and starts to decline.

In the Universal Century, since there is cloning technology, it wouldn’t be strange if the population increased rapidly, unlike in reality.

Was it really overwhelming to the point where it could be said to be overwhelming?

>>148

Well, if a small country can achieve significant results against a large country while paying a considerable cost, then one could say that.

>>148

I was pushing until the time I said that.

They say it’s corruption, but if you ask whether anything bad is happening because of it, the only visible problem is that those at the top are lining their own pockets and doing behind-the-scenes deals with enemies.

>>149

Anyway, I’m just trying to cling to the Earth the whole time.

If possible, the Federation wants to extract money from the colonies in space to enrich itself.

>>149

It’s not just that; it’s explained in the narration.

Well, that’s more than enough reason for the lower side to become independent.

They say it’s corrupt, but in the end, they continued to govern for nearly 200 years after that…

Isn’t it the space warring states period long before reaching a 100-year victory route for Zeon?

>>154

Don’t worry.

There’s no colony to fight over among the rival factions.

Garma and Kishiria were successfully assassinated; has Char accomplished about half of his goal in this timeline?

Is it okay that the communication record of Char saying something about the last father after he trapped Garma has been left behind?

In places like UC, there are actually quite a few people who aren’t abandoned citizens, similar to the westward expansion in North America.

It seems there were quite a few people who went to space by choice, but that’s obviously an afterthought.

The citizens of the Universal Century are multiplying like mice, but why are they increasing?

I can’t really feel the reality of what life is like as a result of the increase because there isn’t a citizen’s perspective.

It doesn’t seem like there are particularly a lot of children…

Being clearly treated as incompetent is something like “mechaa” for example.

>>173

Even though they are incompetent, trying to lead the fleet themselves to resolve the situation is better than the high-ranking officials who were bowing down to Haman.

In terms of appearances, the first Gopp only has Mirai-san talking about being a rich young lady and treating the White Base as a nuisance when Jaburo was under attack, so it’s not really about being capable or incompetent.

Surprisingly sweet, or rather, very human-like.

>>176

Rather, I was shot due to the lack of humanity in people.

The cause of death was forcing through Garma’s state funeral and being too emotionally detached from family.

Corruption is often misunderstood as being driven by powerful individuals indulging in luxury and oppression.

When it comes to Gundam works, corruption means that the organization begins to lose sight of its original purpose and starts to aim solely for the maintenance of the organization itself…