>>2

It’s the same situation as the fall of the Kamakura Shogunate here.

Tadatoshi crushed the eastern region during the Battle of Musashino and raced up the Tōkaidō, also crushing the people of the west.

This guy is something, but the Ashikaga Shogunate after this is amazing too.

Even in difficult times, they remain composed and exude a sense of greatness; they are cool.

>>7

In historical fact,

The deputy general who favors his own clan and doesn’t give rewards to outsiders >>>>> Morochan and the victims of NTR and the degree of damage in Basara (wrapped expression) with his fun companions.

That was the reason for the loss…

It might be that the divine power flowed to Nokoshi because of the runaway young ones.

My son and Masayuki Kusunoki don’t really understand, so we just keep going.

Again?

Are you in big trouble again?

It’s okay because I’ll recover even if I lose.

Even if I lose, I will win.

Well, if this happens, there’s no choice but to make this guy the main character.

Could this guy be a big shot?

>>17

I think it’s different from just cutting it off since the execution has been postponed until the monkhood.

>>19

Maybe even the escape youth could do that.

There is also a theory that Uesugi brothers (those dog-like kids) were complicit in allowing the Takahashi brothers to be assassinated on the way home.

>>20

My kids are scary…

>>19

It means being socially discarded.

Well, it can’t be helped that the Takake from all angles is a Hojo Mark II.

>>22

Winning by surprise attack doesn’t change the fact that North Korea’s overall strength is overwhelmingly superior.

>>17

The script is weird, right…?

Is this a sloppy Hollywood…

Historically, after turning the tables and achieving victory, Yoshisada loved his younger brother so much that he started living nearby until the moment of his death.

Nige Wakataka no Tsuji will probably not take action.

>>37

It even goes as far as talking to each other through the wall while living next door.

>>43

Childhood friend, huh?

>>43

I wonder if the fleeing youth will feel like a monster is talking to him day and night from just the other side of the wall…

>>24

Well, it’s just that the butler changed his name.

The Hosokawa clan is putting itself in a similar state of takeover.

>>30

Was the Hosokawa family of the shogunate really doing that well…?

During the period of the three shugo, they competed for power against other families such as the Shiba and Hatakeyama, as well as against major daimyōs like Ouchi and Yamana.

After the Onin War, the power of the shogunate itself was blown away, so there was nothing to take over.

I feel a sense of nostalgia in the fact that Ashikaga Takauji is not in a big pinch after a long time.

Everything has been and will continue to be way too crazy…

>>29

Nobuyoshi also acts quite drastically according to historical facts, so it’s no wonder he’s disliked by Yoshiyoshi.

That butler…

He said that he and that person are of one mind and body, even to my brother…

Looking at the subsequent Muromachi period, it’s quite common for the No. 2 position to be criticized from the surroundings and fall from power, so Moro-chan is just following that trend.

>>31

In the first place, the story of the Nagayoshi-goes-round is something that you started because of a precedent, isn’t it?

Although they are romanticized as young escapees, both Naruemon and Kitabatake have also caused quite a bit of chaos.

Lord Kusunoki is stable, but…

>>33

It’s not so much about stability; that family was originally favored by Go-Daigo, so they have no choice but to follow.

The third son is well…

I think the fact that the defeated Tokiyuki grants rewards is a symbol of complexity, as Masanori was disliked, but Naoyoshi wasn’t necessarily liked either.

>>34

As for pigs, they’ll immediately switch sides to Ashikaga Takauji if Masanaga dies.

>>34

Although it was a young escapee, the main reason for gathering troops was to eliminate Moronao.

So when I, the one who won, am rewarded for my achievements, does that mean you’re going to bring down Lord Yoshimitsu? Then everyone who gathered will turn completely against you.

Even if Nobuaki wins, he ultimately becomes a hindrance to the shogunate, so the only option is to crush Nobuaki.

>>40

The legitimate son Yoshitane was raised by the strict teacher Fuyuki, so he is a staunch supporter of Shinao…

Well, in this work, the interaction between Shi Fuyu and Gi Sen has been cut.

If Yoshimitsu had properly engaged in politics without being lazy, things might not have become complicated.

>>42

I’m doing the top job.

The conflict between Shijō and Naoyoshi was partly due to their positions, but to elaborate, there were also complex grievances between the Takauke, who were the stewards of the Ashikaga family for generations, and the Uesugi family, Naoyoshi’s maternal family.

>>50

I might not be able to endure it unless I completely devote myself to Yoshimitsu due to the immense stress…

Considering what Kusunoki Strike Freedom Masaki is doing.

Aren’t you going to become the rightful successor of the Celestial Being, Kusunoki?

Working diligently on litigation matters under Nobuyoshi involves an excessive amount of effort, and since temples and old powers tend to prevail, it leads to a drop in reputation from those around.

>>48

In the first place, one does not assume responsibility until the enforcement of the litigation result, so in the end, the one with more power has the advantage.

Therefore, when it comes to armed conflict, it is now up to the samurai office’s Master Nobu to dispatch troops for suppression.

If Yamana was trying to take over Ashikaga, then why did Yoshisada side with him?

>>49

It’s not that Noriyoshi is right; rather, since the next shogun, Yoshitune, is in conflict with Noriyoshi, there is no choice but to eliminate him.

Ah, I have to crush this too, or it won’t do. I lost and was exiled.

>>51

I think it’s really inappropriate for the legitimate heir Yoshitsune, who is already in place and doing his job, to have his brother bring in a child born out of wedlock from outside and declare them as an adopted child of our family.

I thought you would definitely think, “Are you planning to become my enemy?” from Yoshikazu too…

>>49

Since Nobuyoshi went to the Southern Court, Yoshisada has no choice but to ally with Danou.

During the time of the Gosho-maki, things were different because Noriyoshi, aiming to repair relations with Takauji, ignored him and instead lobbied the emperor, who was at the top, to eliminate Nishina.

>>61

Doesn’t that completely ruin the dignity of the shogun, who is nominally at the top of the samurai class, known as Sonshi?

>>68

Is that so?

I thought it was terrible to discard Takashina, who had been taking care of me for many years, after this.

I heard that when Inoki was about to be expelled due to a business failure in New Japan Pro-Wrestling, he discarded his aide Shinma and managed to survive, which makes sense to me.

>>52

No way, that’s terrible, Inoki.

It was said that Yoshitsune had no intention of engaging in politics traditionally, but recent theories suggest that he was actually serious about it.

But if that happens, I would become incompetent for allowing Takanori and Takashi to do whatever they please, leading to the collapse of the shogunate, so I prefer the traditional approach where there was less motivation.

>>55

In the first place, the two of you shouldn’t fight.

>>55

I have at least stamped the final decision, so it’s not that I lack motivation.

I will insert turns when I regularly lose motivation.

The actions of Nobuhiro before the full-scale conflict also seem to be provoking Yoshimitsu and Yoshitsune, which is troubling.

It seems like there’s a theory that I was doing just the bare minimum when necessary, but I don’t think I was really doing it seriously the whole time.

During the Musashino battle, it seems that serious efforts were made to negotiate and incorporate local forces, otherwise they would lose, and many letters were written promising rewards.

This area is from the historical drama “Taiheiki.”

When he tried to transfer power to Nobuyoshi, he faced opposition from people like Sasaki Doyō.

After exiling Nagayoshi and switching to Yoshinori, this time Masanori started to exercise tyranny and tried to kill Nagayoshi, so I helped Nagayoshi, and now Nagayoshi is rebelling…

His actions are backfiring one after another, and I thought, what is this guy doing?

>>60

Even if I bullet-point the historical facts, it would only result in “What is this guy doing?” when it comes to this part about Yoshitsune…

>>60

In “Taiga,” it is revealed that Masanao’s lover was a Southern Court agent who incited ambition and almost pushed him to the brink of killing Yoshisada.

Tokiyoshi was in a frenzy because he didn’t want either Tokiie or Toko to die.

Moreover, Yoshinobu is seriously trying to make Naoharu the second shogun, unlike Yoshitsune, who is just distracted by cockfighting, in the “Taiheiki” correction where he has an original development of being close friends since childhood.

After reading “Shinkuro Hashiru” recently, I thought that the Onin War of later generations also seems pretty incomprehensible.

It is unreasonable to try to study the Northern and Southern Dynasties solely through the Taiheiki.

It’s quite common to turn against allies of those you dislike and try to eliminate them.

>>64

The Taiheiki has a relatively low source credibility.

Godai is incompetent and free-spirited, and the lower ranks get into fights without settling down, so he generally ends up in a pinch because of those around him.

In the first place, everyone was wary because the Kamakura shogunate was taken over by the Hojo clan, who held the regency.

Takaharu Nariyoshi, who started making moves like the Hojo of the Muromachi shogunate, is being way too reckless.

As expected, it perished.

>>66

But being one in heart and soul…

It sounds just like the author of Taiheiki wrote it while drunk…

>>72

(The sudden emergence of Yuuki Souhira’s misdeeds only in that volume)

There are people like Shiba-san who are doing lateral hops at the time of the first confrontation between Takauji and Naoyoshi, so those around them are also terrible.

>>70

In this era, actions are fundamentally driven by where one aligns to gain an advantage for their faction.

So, this faction is not necessarily composed of family, which can lead to conflicts even among siblings in times of severe blood ties.

Honestly, I’m looking forward to the Yoshimitsu part more than the younger part.

>>78

To be frank, after Emperor Go-Daigo’s death, the Southern Court seems like a place where the losers of the Northern Court rush to…

>>81

It’s okay, Yoshinobu and Takauji will be coming soon.

>>90

It’s slightly different.

First, after Naoyoshi surrendered to the Southern Court and expelled Naritoki, he returned to the Northern Court.

Then, Kuniyoshi and Yoshitsune would surrender to the Southern Court with the Northern Court as a bargaining chip.

At that point, Nobuyoshi was technically aligned with the Southern Court, but in reality, he had become part of no faction.

>>94

(The Southern Court team coming to kill Yoshitsune, casually breaking promises)

>>98

Kitabatake Chikafusa: “There’s no way we can trust that guy. Let’s kill him quickly.”

>>98

Of course that will happen.

>>102

Well, when I poked the hornet’s nest, Yoshimitsu awakened and knocked everyone down in all directions…

The Taiheiki often features inexplicable revenge tales of some family’s child that don’t connect to the rest from the very beginning—do we really need that?

>>79

In the historical drama, I was connected to a ninja master who became the adopted child of Mr. Isshiki…

If anything, even with blood relations like direct siblings, power struggles can become intense.

There are indeed close brothers.

I really like the interview with Hiroyuki Sanada, who played Ashikaga Takauji in the NHK Taiga drama.

I can’t believe that the funny face was an act.

Kyushu is also a refuge for losers, so people come regularly.

And we take the central haters who are gathered for the counterattack operation.

>>84

Both Yoshitsune and Naoharu-kun made a comeback in Kyushu, and they really are father and son!

>>84

Fire-blowing Daruma: “Saigo will become Taira no Yoshitomo.”

>>163

“If the body is like Ashikaga Takauji… then isn’t it fine if the heart is like Kusunoki Masashige?!”

When viewed from future generations, there are too many situations that make you go “Why?”

When I ask “Why?”, even the people involved often don’t really understand… Even in today’s world with advanced information networks, there are still many things that make you go “Why?”.

In this area, in the drama “Taiheiki,” Naoyoshi seems to be targeted for assassination by Yoshinao, and it is dangerous to keep Naoyoshi alive if Kazumitsu helps him!

Then Shijitsu said that, and five minutes later Naoyoshi started a rebellion, causing Sonshi to flee, which made me think it was an unusually fast pace.

The impressive thing about the storytelling of the runaway youth is

Leave the messy, nonsensical chaos of historical facts to the distant past.

I think it’s a place where Waka doesn’t participate.

The participation of the Jump protagonist will occur once the situation is organized.

>>91

To be honest, I want to see the younger one being tossed around by the chaotic historical facts.

If you have energy, you can do anything!

Because he is a person who embodies it, Ashikaga Takauji.

It’s a shame that the anime ended after the first season because the Kamakura Reclamation War in “Nige Waka” is so interesting…

>>97

The second season has already been decided.

It seems that the battle with the infused version of Masamune Yoshimitsu will end with the public announcement of his real name, and the recovery of Kamakura might take three terms.

Organizing the chronological context of history is usually painful for people who aren’t history enthusiasts, so it’s perfectly valid to gloss over it with “a strong character caused a huge mess!” and to move the main narrative along with the youth’s micro stories, making it extremely appropriate for a manga meant to attract a large audience.

The fact that Yoshimitsu and Naoyoshi are not particularly enthusiastic about mutually excluding each other is causing things to become excessively complicated.

You don’t have any intention of regaining power, do you?

Why are you fighting?

>>103

Inertia

The deprivation of Tadaoki’s divine status is probably not being taken seriously anymore.

>>103

Aren’t you saying that focusing too much on Yoshitoki is making the divine power unhealthy?

I thought it was a great battle that divided Japan during the Northern and Southern Courts, but it turns out they are really close neighbors.

>>104

It’s like the Onin War, where both camps have their main bases nearby, but they are fighting all over Japan.

>>108

Isn’t it a bit bothersome?

>>119

Very annoying.

Even if we charge into such an incomprehensible battlefield with a small force like ours,

It can’t be helped because there’s nothing we can do about it.

It would be fine to wrap it up with a win for the Hojo by taking Masashige’s head amidst the confusion!

After this, both Takauji and Naoyoshi, who should have both benefited from the Northern Court, are attempting to surrender to the Southern Court ahead of each other.

Dr. Kameda was saying, “What are these guys doing?”

I can’t imagine at all what this author will draw next after “Nige Waka” is finished.

>>111

It seems like I might be released in a youth magazine soon.

I probably won’t draw historical manga anymore.

What is divine power?

>>113

The power to come to Kyoto with a large army after being treated like crap and exiled to the western region.

Such a surprising and entertaining character show is something you can only find elsewhere in the era of the Five Barbarians and Sixteen Kingdoms!

I mean, it’s just because it’s Hojo that we’re fighting; we can’t govern this chaotic world, right, young one?

>>117

It seems that over time, everyone has started to forget about Hojo’s rule.

The Southern Dynasty is looked down upon as weak and foolish, but it’s actually the Northern Dynasty that will perish first.

>>121

There were too few people who found meaning in continuing North Korea.

In the Taiheiki, when I see that Yoshiyuki’s editing has been incorporated up to a certain point and Yoshitsune is explicitly brought down…

>>125

Editing is just as important as jumping.

Kamonji defeated the Kamakura shogunate at the age of 30, which is seriously amazing.

I thought the Southern Court was an exile government, but they managed to last until the end.

Marching to Kyoto with a large army from Kyushu.

Marching to Kyoto with a large army from the Kanto region.

The only one who has done both is Yoshimitsu!

>>128

Is it a bargain sale for going up to Kyoto?

Even if the North Dynasty perishes, a new North Dynasty will emerge…

>>129

Establishment of North Korea!

Collapse of North Korea!

North Korea’s revival!

Isn’t it amazing that all of this is done by the same person?

The North and South Dynasties are kind of like New Japan Pro Wrestling and All Japan Pro Wrestling; if one side loses its place, they’ll just go to the other organization, like Riki Choshu.

>>131

If you think of the internal conflicts in North Korea as similar to the struggles within New Japan Pro-Wrestling, it makes sense.

Well, normally, the game is set when you surrender and hand over the three sacred treasures.

“Those three sacred treasures I gave you are fake!!!”

Well, I can understand why the Southern Court is supported; it’s just that the Northern Court is so obviously a puppet that it’s unbearable.

Yoshitane must really dislike Naoyoshi, who is making all sorts of moves to take over the family.

The three sacred treasures and the imperial family were all taken by the Southern Court, and both Kyoto and Kamakura fell at the same time.

Isn’t it incredible how Takauji turned it around from here?

>>135

Because Yoshitsune has a sword and Nijō has a magatama…

>>139

And is the heart of the unclouded people the Yata no Kagami?

>>145

Did that really happen in the end?

I heard that it ended at the place of Taira no Yoshitomo and Nijo, so I thought, “Wait, that’s one short.”

>>135

As mentioned above, the North Korean side is overwhelmingly more powerful.

So even if it’s raining in the southern dynasty, I think it’s the kind of mood where I would hit you and make you listen.

The Southern Dynasty is a troublesome existence that the later Southern Dynasty doesn’t really want to touch.

People whose parents were killed by the Tokuso family started to escape and began a negative campaign.

This thread is about to end here as well.

This guy is the true master of escape, isn’t he?

>>140

It is mentioned in the work itself.

The last chapter of the Taiheiki is about the fall of the Kamakura shogunate.

Chapter 2 ends with the fall of the Kenmu Government.

If Ashikaga Takauji had lost at the end of Chapter 3 and the Muromachi shogunate had fallen, it would have made for a much better conclusion.

It didn’t perish, so it ended up with that kind of abrupt ending.

If you don’t commit suicide, you won’t take it seriously.

To put it bluntly, at that time, all the samurai couldn’t care less about the emperor’s legitimacy.

What embodies that is none other than Tokiyuki.

>>146

Despite not really caring, I fully utilize it, and I think it’s a unique aspect of Japanese history that no one does “standing in heaven.”

>>149

I will stand in the heavens, and there is peace until then.

>>149

In that regard, I think it’s unique that Yoshimitsu, who is hesitant to establish a regime in the North until he loses once and goes to Kyushu.

>>149

My name is the new emperor.

>>160

It was still a time when the Genpei could just barely claim to be the former imperial family…

>>160

It’s not that I don’t know about Masakado, but rather that since then, no one has done anything like that, or that it has nothing to do with the imperial lineage and is unrelated to any kind of easy surname revolution where someone proclaims themselves as king or emperor. That’s what I wanted to say.

>>160

The assumption is that the new emperor is also a descendant of the imperial family, and the purpose is the establishment of an independent government in Kanto, which does not deny the emperor.

It’s a bit of a given since we know that Yoshimitsu ultimately wins.

Just before the Battle of Musashino, the samurai of the Kinai region all fled or defected to the Southern Court, forcing Yoshiyoshi to escape from Kyoto with his life.

I read it this week, but isn’t Masanao-kun breaking down? Are you okay?

Ashikaga Takauji said something like being one body and one mind with Uesugi Noritake, didn’t he?

“There’s a sword called Yoshitomo.”

The actor Koichi Yamaji as Jien Sojo in Kamakura-dono to Emperor Go-Toba.

“The samurai shogunate itself is the substitute for the Grass-Cutting Sword that was lost in the Genpei War.” That is the origin.

Well, I just made up some suitable arguments to persuade them to appoint my grandnephew as the regent general.

I’m sorry to say to the author, but the Takauji part is definitely more interesting.

>>157

If it’s interesting, then go ahead and take the survey.

It seems correct to see it as Takauji participating on the side of Masanori, rather than a conflict between Takauji and Naoyoshi.

>>158

I fought thinking it was against Yoshitsune, but I lost.

It became a confrontation between Takashi Nobusada and Tadayoshi.

Mr. Matsui’s next work will be a straightforward sports manga or a romance manga, at least in terms of appearance.

I got rid of Masanori because he was annoying, but even with Yoshisada included, Moro was even more disliked, and if losing was a creation, I think there would be people who would get angry about that development.

>>165

Well, if you’re in the position of the household head and you’re criticizing your younger brother (who is doing a decent job) mercilessly, it’s only natural for there to be some creation…

While researching, I understood why the tone dropped during history classes in junior high and high school… I’m grateful for “Nige Waka,” which became a gateway for that.

Nitta is going to conquer Kamakura twice with his father and son.

I’m a resident of Gunma Prefecture, but I didn’t know that.

Could you perhaps reduce the portrayal of arrogant rise-to-power characters in dramas and manga that are set in silly rural areas a bit more?

>>170

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>>170

Looking at the evaluations since Kenmu, it’s hard to change the assessment that even Yoshisada was too clumsy in navigating the world, isn’t it?

The ancestors who made our house a poor rural one are even more so.

Trying to draw connections from the Nanbokucho period to modern times is really a huge pain in the ass…

Nitta is doing his best as a member of the Nitta clan, but it’s hard to say anything other than that navigating this era as a named character is tough.

Are you saying that I stand in heaven like Dokyō?

Nitta’s character is basically either a fool or an arrogant, annoying country bumpkin.

Sometimes it can be when both attributes are present.