
Death penalty
Daigorou?
Betrayal of the family is punishable by death!
Everyone was surprised and it wasn’t good.
In reality, there are stories like “I was stepping on it because I was taught spells that could cancel it out later” or “I had used it so much that I had no resistance left and it felt like nothing.”
Also, it’s troublesome if Christians come out, so the officials should just step in like in the image from the thread… it’s better that way… that’s how it was too.
The government saying “I’ll forgive you as long as you step on it!” is a huge concession, isn’t it?
What kind of reaction does everyone have at the end?
>>7
(Really… with both feet…?)
I used to think it was sad when I was a child.
Once you’re an adult, you think, “It’s scary to let someone who chooses death when they could be saved just by stepping forward live…”
>>8
There are probably monks who are told that just stepping on a Buddha statue will save them, but still can’t bring themselves to do it.
But when I made eye contact with the white-cheeked starling, I couldn’t step on the Soka rice cracker and confessed to being a Saitama resident; GACKT was so cool in “Fly Me to Saitama.”
By the way, if you actually stepped on a fumi-e, would that mean going to hell?
>>11
What is reality…
>>11
They said it was fine for that much.
>>14
People who are revered really have big hearts.
>>11
There’s no one saying they stepped on it and went to heaven.
>>11
Shouldn’t art, being right at the center of idolatry, be destroyed instead?
There are stories that all the crew members would gladly step on something like this if it meant they could do business with foreigners who have come for trade…
I may have made it too interesting with my creation.
I told you not to engage in idol worship.
>>18
As expected, the god knew that something like this would happen.
I want all anonymous people to watch it.
Director Scorsese’s “Silence”
I’m saying something quite casual, but the cross and statues of Christ or Mary are symbols of faith in the four characters.
Originally, it’s said that one shouldn’t have faith in that itself, so there’s a level where one can’t step in with their life on the line.
Isn’t it more like a level of disbelief where Moses would break the tablets? That’s what I often think.
>>22
Moses would be absolutely furious about the very existence of Christ.
>>104
Jesus renewed the covenant with Moses from the old covenant.
The religion itself is different.
The heart change of a heretic is terrifying!!
Every time, I laugh at how fluffy the knowledge of Christianity is for an anonymous person.
>>25
It’s funny that even those who are laughing are being vague without specific points.
Since the officials also don’t want to increase their workload, it seems they decided on some strange sect of Buddhism, saying “Great! No Christians!”
When someone like that appears, it causes the entire village they live in to be investigated, which troubles other Christians as well, and it was also difficult for the local officials conducting the investigation.
A god who loses it when their portrait is stepped on is basically a dictator, isn’t it…
>>28
In the first place, there are no portrait paintings in four characters, so it does not apply.
God has not prohibited anything.
Do not seek reason in faith.
I understand, but idol worship is really profitable…
I heard that if we keep using materials so carelessly, we won’t have enough for taxes, and I thought that makes sense.
It’s a person who is crucified for salvation.
I won’t get angry just because I got stepped on a bit more.
Even if I live by stepping on things, I’m still going to be taxed with crap, so I’m going to die…
>>36
“There’s no need for that…”
Reporting 40,000 koku as 100,000 to the shogunate and just doubling the tax and other levies…
>>53
I won’t grant you the honor of seppuku.
Decapitation, decapitation.
>>59
In Japanese history classes, it’s often discussed how the Edo Shogunate failed in its reforms and suppressed people, but those living at the time were actually quite reasonable…
>>73
Well, it’s a clear example of governance failure, as we started an armed uprising without realizing the incompetence of such foolish lords.
>>53
This is a case where the shogunate must bow to the people.
>>62
That can’t be the case.
>>62
After suppressing the Shimabara Rebellion, they intended to keep the rice quota unchanged, right?
The successor dispatched from the shogunate protested with seppuku, and it was finally reevaluated.
>>74
After all, the Tokugawa are… evil!
>>74
That’s a legend that was born because Mr. Suzuki put in so much effort!
>>90
I’m glad… the rice yield and taxes have been kept the same…
>>92
As a result of repeatedly petitioning, the land survey was redone during my son’s generation and improvements were made.
>>53
I understand the feeling since the treatment changes for daimyo with over 100,000 koku.
As expected, it’s impossible to raise 100,000 when I only have 40,000!
>>63
But maybe there’s a chance it could go well…
>>53
Beheading
If I were Jesus, I would just want girls to step on me.
It seems like they don’t care at all about being trampled on, as if they are just a person being crucified.
>>42
Compared to being sold for three silver coins by a disciple and being crucified, having my picture trampled on is nothing…
But it’s scary to step in because you might get punished just for laughing at a bald person or for not having figs.
>>44
I don’t know where the landmines are…
From a Christian perspective, of course, it’s a no-go and you’ll end up in hell.
Because you are agreeing to the act of abandoning God’s teachings.
It’s unfair for the side that made someone step on it to be amazed.
Was this “Lone Wolf and Cub”?
But if you think about it calmly, isn’t kissing quite disrespectful?
>>50
It’s like kissing a photo of an idol in modern terms, right?
It might be gross, but isn’t it not disrespectful?
>>57
It feels more like it’s dirty.
In ordinary companies, when the president changes, it’s quite common for similar things to happen, especially in small and medium-sized businesses on the Japan Sea side.
>>54
What is that, scary?
Where?
If I step on it, I’ll forgive it!! No, wait, who is this kid?! Not a villager, huh?!
If it’s that easy to step on, I feel like the word martyrdom wouldn’t even exist in this world.
>>56
This is because Japanese Christians were quite heretical regarding this, so the story is a bit different.
In relation to this, the premise is that even if one lives, it would be a worthless world.
Christianity grows robustly under oppression.
So this guy had nothing to do with it at all…
In an environment where I might not live to see tomorrow, dying for faith might actually be a kind of happiness.
I love the story about Johnny Depp and the stepping mat that Amakusa-kun gave me.
Read the silence.
If there’s someone who steps on this flow, I’d be shocked.
>>72
If this guy had been chosen first, it seems like the flow would have changed.
Even if it’s a bit reckless, forceful reclamation has some charm, but simply increasing taxes is a bit…
https://www.sukima.me/book/title/BT0000282487/
In “Lone Wolf and Cub,” there’s also a day to purge the evil spirit in Volume 13.
There’s no way to confirm local circumstances other than through reports, so who would have thought the reports were a big lie…
Is it the thirteenth public tax – the three people, or something like that?
>>83
With a tax rate of 130% and a cut of 30%, there’s no choice but to revolt…
Buddhist monks are also making money in various ways, and it’s not good in this era.
Matsukura was such a problem that the successor, Mr. Suzuki, who came to take over, had an incredibly hard time.
After entering the Buddhist priesthood, I called my older brother to help calm the disturbed hearts of the people, and I repeatedly petitioned the shogunate, saying, “It’s impossible to collect 100,000 koku of annual tax in this land!”
He returned to Edo in place of his son when he got old, but he worked so hard for the common people that a legend was born saying that Suzuki-sama even committed seppuku to directly petition for a reduction in taxes!
Considering the history up to this point, it’s surprising that after World War II, there wasn’t a push to completely crush Japanese Buddhism and turn all Japanese people into Christians!
>>86
No matter how thoroughly religion is repressed, it will not disappear; Christians know this better than anyone.
>>86
Blowing away churches without a care in the atomic bomb, that’s just impossible…
>>102
I wonder what kind of impression that leaves on believers from overseas.
>>110
On the European front, they are blowing up the Monte Cassino monastery.
It’s nothing special.
>>143
They even sprayed machine gun fire throughout the city of Rome.
When searched, Daigorou, who is not even a Christian, stepped on it without hesitation, so if he is not a Christian, it makes sense that he would step on it, right?
If we don’t keep them alive but not let them die, there will be no future profits, and the public order will go to hell, leading to no good outcomes.
When you exceed 100,000, you are certainly treated as quasi-national status, but… 40,000 is impossible… even double that wouldn’t work…
Even the Tokugawa during the time of Yoshimune.
Let’s retract the decision to frequently visit the farmland to determine the taxes.
Since we can get this much here, the tax will be decided by this!
Because of what was done, the hell during the famine accelerated even further.
It can be said that the reason not to engage in idol worship is precisely because idols hold such power.
From the perspective of an uneducated and weakened human, it must have tremendous magic power.
>>94
The figure moe tribe has existed in every era…
>>94
It’s not God’s teachings, but just praying to an idol of God, which leads to corruption.
Daigorou is quite the wolf, isn’t he?
Since the fumie is under the management of the authorities, if it is damaged or lost, the head of the person who is making others step on it will be in danger.
“It’s an image of bearing sin and pain on behalf of others.”
I think the person who came up with this is way too out of touch with Christ, and I wonder if the believers have stepped on it too.
I wonder how it actually is, since I’m just an air player too.
>>97
In the end, believers are not just Christians, but their faith is mixed with traditional Japanese beliefs.
The values of idol worship that cherish shrines and Buddha have not been lost, so it was accepted.
On the contrary, Dutch merchants normally go through the necessary procedures.
>>124
By the Meiji period, it would be regarded as a Galapagos-evolved indigenous faith different from European Christianity…
It’s difficult to continue believing in something formless… I’ll create an image.
The shogunate summoned nearby daimyo for a large-scale disturbance, but Matsukura is so despised by those around him that it’s impossible to do anything, so Chie Izu was dispatched from the shogunate.
This guy can do anything…
I don’t consider myself a Buddhist, but if I’m told to step on a tablet for the deceased, I wouldn’t like that.
>>100
I don’t like any of them, regardless of the religion…
>>100
“Let’s make it public ‘That’s out, so show me, okay? (I won’t mind if you believe in weird things behind the scenes as long as you follow along)’.”
It’s fine if you step on it even reluctantly.
“If someone starts saying, ‘It’s faith that matters more than the authorities! For the sake of faith, I and my family can die too!’, there’s no way to overlook it, no matter how hard you try.”
By the time of John Manjiro in the late Edo period, when people said “Step on this!” it was already too worn out from being used too much.
I was wondering what I stepped on…
I saw on the wiki that it says it’s exaggerated to double reality at the point of 40,000 koku…
If you’re told to kick either a Buddha statue or a rock, most people would probably kick the rock, even if they aren’t believers.
I don’t think there are any big places that prioritize the original form of religion anymore.
Buddhists and priests are both desperate to live.
If you are defending the shogunate, Mr. Matsukura might have thought that the rule before Shimabara wasn’t that bad, so he might have felt it was okay.
I think we should conduct an audit since it has suddenly more than doubled.
If I’m told to step on or break my family’s gravestone, I would hesitate quite a bit.
If I’m told that not doing it would mean death, I’ll do it, but afterwards I’ll probably try to make amends.
>>112
Thinking about it that way, it’s difficult to say whether our ancestors would demand that we die without stepping on them.
>>112
It seems that a certain number of Satsuma people, who want to bring down officials trying to impose the death penalty at any cost, could lead to the very system itself disappearing.
Persecution of Christianity has occurred in other countries as well, and the designation of martyrs for that has become quite a topic of discussion.
Originally, Rome itself was initially persecuting Christians, but there is a history of it becoming the state religion.
There is no benefit in forcibly converting to Christianity.
Basically, both gods and Buddhas are likely to be generally compassionate.
“I think you would feel that it’s okay to step on the painting rather than die…”
So I’ll step on it.
For now, I’ll let it slide as long as you at least put on a show for the officials.
>>115
It feels like a doctor when something foreign gets stuck in the butt.
>>115
It depends on the timing as well.
In Kyushu, they were seriously executing people in the early stages, and in Tohoku, the Christian population faced repression at a level that could be described as eradication.
>>120
(Oh… savages…)
>>126
After all, people who are accustomed to executions and public executions are like those from the Middle Ages.
The pregnant woman rolling in the water prison who seriously pissed off even those people became the catalyst for the uprising.
Katsukiya-san is seriously Japan’s Vlad Tepes.
I like that both the government and the people are skillfully managing things as per the rules… though sometimes something serious comes up.
It is a religion that is concentrated and united in the aspect of idolatry or monotheism.
“Paradise with the whole family…! The interpretation of teacher Koike Kazuo is a bit different.”
A religion where faith is above martyrdom and benevolence.
The faith of Japanese Christians leans quite a bit toward Buddhism, so the idol directly becoming an incarnation is extremely heretical.
I wonder if the concept of “karma” that existed in the first place has made people stubborn.
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I wonder if Itakura wanted to raise his ranking among the daimyo… Even among daimyo, there are differences in official ranks between those who hold provinces and those who are castle lords…
>>129
I heard that they wanted to raise their rank because they wanted to attack Luzon… but I didn’t take it seriously because people around me were saying foolish things.
https://japanmystery.com/iwate/okago.html
Even though executions are done normally, there are still unnamed people who think it’s all compassion.
After a long time since the last battle, Nabeshima gets excited and acts on his own, snatching the first strike and getting scolded.
Tachibana Muneshige, who is respected and advises caution, says that the daytime attacks are weak, so we should be careful as they might launch a night raid.
I only know about “Lone Wolf and Cub” with a vague understanding, so isn’t it normal to just step on it since it’s not about Daigorou the Christian…?
I only have that impression, but everyone is surprised and shocked.
Is it the people on the ground who take responsibility for the shogunate’s mistakes?
>>136
Even in modern times, banks and governments cannot take responsibility if they fail.
>>136
In today’s companies, it’s common for the top executives not to take responsibility.
>>136
It depends on the content and level of the mistake, or rather.
Of course, the shogunate has supervisory responsibility.
Wasn’t the premise that idol worship is a no-go from the beginning…?
>>139
Christ is not God himself, so it’s a close call.
I feel like there was a denomination that considered it unacceptable from the perspective of the Holy Trinity.
>>145
Any kind of idol is originally out, so it’s not good.
Personal portraits are originally not allowed.
I thought this was Nagasaki.
Hita, huh!
In Japan, it’s loose enough that you could release a game where you fight against gods.
>>148
If you think it’s not overseas.
You really are ignorant, aren’t you?
>>153
I wrote “Japan” specifically because I don’t know the situation overseas…
>>158
?
If dying from this means going to hell for stepping on bugs, then that’s Buddhism, isn’t it…
I tried to come up with a good metaphor in modern times, but…
It’s natural to inflate taxes about four times on your own and not be able to collect them.
Imprisoning and confiscating citizens, and if they resist, committing acts of genocide.
I have no idea how to illustrate it in modern terms…
>>151
Khmer Rouge regime
>>156
Well, I tried to illustrate that in modern Japan but failed.
For example, if the governor of Hyogo Prefecture did the same thing, it wouldn’t all be the responsibility of the Japanese government, of course.
It feels unreasonable not to hold Governor Saito accountable, but the premise is just too unrealistic.
Did Kuroda Kanbee change his faith?
But the Tokugawa people said that farmers can get as much sesame as they squeeze…
There was a modern Japanese translation of the hidden Christian Bible on Kakuyomu, and it was interesting, so I read it without a name…
There are also stories that at that time, Christians came to watch the act of stepping on the picture in order to see God (the image on the fumie board) with their own eyes.
Because there were few proper idols.
Not stepping on it is quite counterproductive, isn’t it?
It’s like the means have become the end.
It seems there were quite a few cases of human sentiment judgment.
>>161
Finding new Christians means that the local officials who have been neglecting them until now are being lazy.
There were quite a few cases where they would find Christians and intentionally judge them on different charges.
I wonder if they used the believer’s thing or made it to step on it.
I don’t know what is right in religion, but I understand that apart from what I believe, everything else is vague.
Everything in Zen has Buddha nature, and dogs also have Buddha nature.
Perhaps it’s because I’m Japanese that the phrase “Only humans can notice it and attain enlightenment” resonates more with me.
I like the sound of “Maria Kannon.”
What are you mixing?
A graceful break spent responding to a figurative ‘stepping on the image’ on a Sunday afternoon.