
The taumazine has been increasing, hasn’t it?
The heliocentric theory is properly connected, so it’s a happy ending.
?
🤔
The last two episodes really ended with what, what, what?
I don’t really understand why the content of the message sent by Duraka’s last pigeon appears, even though the world has changed.
How should I interpret this…?
>>6
Chapter 3 and the final chapter were stories from the same era, right?
Until now, it was difficult to understand because it was handed down along the historical vertical axis.
I think the final chapter of the anime could have done better.
There may have been some color (or controversy) that the world doesn’t know about, but sooner or later, someone will arrive at the heliocentric theory.
>>8
Most characters die like dogs.
>>179
The relay that moves the Earth should have reached Albert.
Is this… what they call a throwaway ending?
The focus on a half-heartedly real historical figure instead of using fiction and original characters is puzzling, why didn’t you just stick with that?
>>12
The pursuit of truth connects to unrelated places, and by the way, it’s just an excuse to say that C religion and Christianity are different.
It’s confusing for someone who suddenly appears out of nowhere without any explanation.
It’s Thaumazine.
Having the teacher be Rafau is way too confusing.
Go check the note.
>>23
Is additional material needed to interpret the story?
The second and third Rafaus appear in various countries, don’t they?
It felt like the scene where the character dies was the finale, and everything after that was just an epilogue.
That’s not really Rafau; it’s an expression of the danger of continuously seeking knowledge, depicted through Rafau’s character, showing that he could easily have ended up like this if he had made just one mistake.
I think it would have been better not to include a character like Rafau at the end because it complicates things.
>>27
I understand that you wanted to depict things like this, but…
It was the climax where I thought this character must be the protagonist for the author.
Is it really necessary to have this section about donations in chapters 2 and 3? I was surprised that only that part connected.
The last two episodes serve as a cooldown to return to reality; the death of the thread’s main character is essentially the final episode.
No matter how many times I loop, Rafau ends up in ruin!
Well, even if I understand what the story was about,
I think it ultimately comes down to unnecessary additions.
It was the connection of efforts woven by people.
Honestly, how does it feel that the world has changed and everything has become nonexistent…?
>>36
It seems that the letter addressed to Pototsuki-san has arrived, so it hasn’t been overlooked, right? I don’t really understand that part either.
>>36
The world hasn’t changed much because there is a final letter.
>>42
Huh, is it the same world!?
>>36
It’s a common story.
>>132
Well, it’s not like it never happened or anything.
>>141
I think the history of heliocentric theory research began in the P country world even after that in the P country world.
Did you think it was about passing the baton of knowledge or something equally precious as life? It turns out it was just a story about a villainous old man fumbling around! If it ends there, then that’s fine, I guess.
If that’s the case, the structure of the story isn’t very good, right?
I like the final chapter, but I was a bit confused because it doesn’t connect well with the Duraka arc.
Is there anyone who talks about it with the premise that the author only knew that the heliocentric theory was suppressed and executed, and started drawing, but changed it after being questioned midway?
>>39
People like that criticize authors for being ignorant and not facing oppression, but in reality, it’s all been in the author’s control, so they can’t pull back the hand they’ve raised.
There was someone who was really losing it and causing a scene around the time of the final episode of the original work.
Exactly
>>47
I thought I could see what comes after Duraka, but that wasn’t the case.
If it’s the same world, then what the heck is Big Raphael?
Isn’t the last part reality and everything up to that point fiction?
The only noise that can easily mislead you into thinking the world has changed is the existence of young Rafael, so if you ignore that, it becomes clear, right?
>>46
What are the Kingdom of P and the Kingdom of Poland?
To put it another way, Pototsuki’s house should have been in Kingdom P, right?
>>50
It has been made unedited.
>>54
Uh… huh???
The noise is too loud.
While I was reading it with the feeling that it was created as entertainment in a fictional world, it suddenly alludes to real historical events at the end, which feels a bit strange.
Who was the priest in the confession room?
The last line sounds familiar, so it should belong to an existing character, but I just can’t remember.
>>51
A person who burned their friend.
>>51
Notice me by my voice.
I’m a friend of the guy who missed Yorelta.
The heliocentric theory is beautiful… it was too forced to push this narrative.
Isn’t it okay for whether the world is different or not to depend on an individual’s perspective?
There are elements that can be interpreted in both ways.
Even if there are high-context meanings and interpretations, it’s just too confusing! The final chapter!
Is the monk in the confessional one of the characters that appeared in the past?
I understand that if Rafau were to grow up, he could potentially become a dangerous person in his quest, but that’s something to discuss in side stories, not in the main story!
On the contrary, what remained from those who wouldn’t be remembered in history and risked their lives was just a single sentence in the title, but that itself pushed the backs of those who have made it into history, and I really like that flow.
Rather, I think that in anime, the fact that adults have voices that sound just like they are can create a sense of discomfort and make it more noticeable.
I just found out that the world has changed.
I thought it was just someone who looked a lot like you.
Wasn’t it good that we were in Kingdom P until the end?
>>66
Since we are landing in the history of the heliocentric theory, I think it is meaningful precisely because it was changed to Poland.
So, what exactly is the Great Rafau?
I think the fact that the former mercenary Sre-gra has become an Inquisition officer, and that the scale of the heretic hunts was kept strictly under wraps from the beginning, wasn’t something that changed midway but was rather decided from the start.
There was no original anime, huh?
I was a little hopeful, though.
It became the Kingdom of Poland from P.
I was thinking that it might be something like the reality line has changed.
Great Rafau is nothing more than an image in my memories…
Then, can’t we just not choose Rafa?
>>73
If I didn’t do it with Rafael, then what was the point of chapters 1 to 3!?
I understand that you want to show something unexpected at the very end, but…
Huh??? It feels more like confusion winning out.
So this is where I’m getting criticized like this…
I felt a sense of losing momentum, but it was still generally interesting.
>>75
Well, overall it was interesting.
The last two episodes are hard to understand, that’s what I’m saying.
>>75
It was an interesting and worthwhile work to watch, but there were parts towards the end that left me confused and not fully able to connect.
>>82
That is exactly what Thaumazine is.
>>75
It depends on the mood of the thread.
In the live commentary and impression thread, it’s the opposite.
It’s the same as what was depicted in a certain work.
>>91
To be honest, the atmosphere in this thread is kind of off compared to the thread that was active during the real-time viewing yesterday.
>>91
I think it’s simply that time has just passed.
It was an interesting movie! I thought as I left the theater.
It’s common to think, “Huh?” after returning home and reflecting on things.
>>124
This is precisely the theme of this work.
It is important to keep thinking.
>>75
Well, to be honest, there’s really only one person or so who is criticizing.
The opinions leaking from those who have read the original suggest that the latter half is meandering, unnecessary, and ends abruptly in a bad way.
I had the impression that it was like that, but I thought it was actually quite neat and organized.
>>76
I also started with the anime and couldn’t hold back halfway through, so I read the original work, and it was like this.
I actually prefer an ending where, instead of a successful publication leading to a completely unrealistic happy ending, it has just a slight impact on the people of history, and that ultimately becomes a significant turning point. I really love that kind of conclusion.
>>76
Negative comments spread more easily on the internet.
Was there any reason to weirdly cover up C teaching from the start?
>>77
It’s not that I’m hiding; it’s just that C religion is not Christianity.
The internet users who were excitedly shouting “It’s Christianity!” are just being foolish.
>>77
This is a story of a fictional world where the heliocentric theory is being suppressed.
It was a story that pretended to be one thing but was actually about freely oppressing people in the countryside.
That’s why the mosaic was removed and it became Poland in the final chapter.
Well, to be frank, the reason I changed the notation is…
I think it’s the publisher’s circumstances that they are being criticized for cracking down at a stage where they simply don’t understand the full picture of the story.
It’s okay to bring it up after discussing that it’s just a historical event done by a few oppressors that isn’t even recorded in history.
I love the work, but when I see the author smugly acting like they’re in control, it makes me feel disheartened.
>>87
I don’t dislike it, but the way it can be said that it’s in the palm of your hand makes me realize that a larger majority had such an intention.
>>87
Is what you wanted a bat?
>>87
Well, I think it’s only natural for those who are stubbornly stuck on historical facts to be told off.
If it had been the Kingdom of Poland from the beginning, it seems like there would be even more people who would get upset saying this isn’t history!
The title is also meant to encourage each reader to think for themselves, so it’s intentionally made somewhat difficult to search for.
The theme is thinking.
I wonder if the things I wanted to draw with Novak are finished.
I thought it would be better for Rafau to have a male voice actor to create a sense of being a different person with the same name.
Maaya’s adult voice is nice, but since the voices are the same, it gives a sense of continuity even though it’s the parallel world of Rafau.
Child Rafau, Adult Rafau → Look-alike
Kingdom of P, Kingdom of Poland → It’s just that the name restrictions have been lifted in the same country.
Is that what you mean?
>>95
I think that what the viewers see here might just look like the same face as a performance, but in reality, there are much different possibilities.
Chapters 1 to 3 are 100% fiction.
I really like the structure where the final chapter is 99% fiction…
The most frustrating part of the entire story was the execution of the young Rafau.
Even if that guy grows, it’s shown that he will end up with this kind of conclusion anyway, so I actually feel relieved.
I think the strong impression at the end of this work tends to overshadow the whole.
Because the content is likely to provoke real religions and countries, they probably used C Church and P Kingdom as substitutes.
However, the repression was not due to the state or religion but rather the rampage of a few individuals, so both Poland and Christianity were liberated.
>>100
There’s no way I would get angry about that now.
It’s not like we’re dealing with China.
It was conveyed that the Earth is moving.
I just read between the lines of the flag and expanded on it.
I feel like it would have ended more beautifully if it had concluded with the Novak reflection meeting.
>>106
If it had ended there, it would have left a frustrating feeling of complete defeat for the heliocentric theory…
It’s not exactly a great victory, but I think it concludes properly as the beginning of the history of the heliocentric theory thanks to that final chapter.
>>106
It’s not a comic about a strange inquisitor, so if it ends there, the theme will get muddled.
>>106
The symbol that is both wielded and wielding is Mr. Novak.
As mentioned in the story, this isn’t a tale where Mr. Novak is the villain.
So if that ends there, it’s really just a story until Mr. Novak reflects on it.
I think most people end up with insufficient impressions for the story they want to draw.
I feel that the highlight of the work was at the part with Okuzhi-kun and Badeni-san.
>>107
Finishing the book, applying oil, and my daughter running away are all just so emotional and dramatic.
It feels like everything gathered here and then separated again.
I always thought that there was no need to turn the real Rafau into an asshole!
At the end, it writes the fine line between fiction and historical fact.
Both demanding too much and doubting too much cannot be wholly affirmed or denied; it is essentially about balance.
Since a story like that was already presented by Yorenta-san in the Duraka chapter, it caused a huge noise with the young Rafau.
I began to wonder if it was worth repeating a story that is similar but different.
I think it’s good and I like it to clearly present the conclusion as a summary in the final chapter.
Is what makes you think the world has changed a mislead?
>>112
There are aspects that make it seem like things have changed, and aspects that suggest they haven’t, so I feel like it really depends on the viewer’s perspective.
The belief that the heliocentric theory was suppressed and resulted in the death penalty is largely a misconception of modern people, and that’s the kind of different world represented by Country P and the C religion.
>>114
Is it a reflection of the vague view of the Middle Ages held by modern Japanese people?
Many people seem to talk about that person as if they know, but their knowledge about which country they are from and what countries existed at that time is quite vague.
I want to confirm, but is it correct that the original work is completed and the anime hasn’t particularly changed anything from the original?
>>118
I think it was animated just as it is at the same level of perfection.
It is complete.
The original work has a lot of room for interpretation, so it’s somewhat chaotic, but it’s as planned.
Personally, I like works where the discussion continues even after the story ends.
In a world where Novak and strange people were oppressing others, there exists a world with the P Kingdom and C Church.
The last Kingdom of Poland appears in the world of historical facts.
So there was someone who spoiled that it’s not historical fact.
I feel like that’s where the meaning of the story so far has existed, and I really like it.
>>125
I really like that it ended with a question mark.
I also like the dialogue between Novak and the hallucination of Rafau.
Well, the most interesting episode was the Oguzie arc.
Could it be that this was a work intended to make one feel the taumazein?
The final chapter is quite a beautiful story, isn’t it? The fact that someone who didn’t make historical records with the heliocentric theory was able to pass on the title to someone else, and as a result, it became someone’s question.
>>129
That’s the crucial part, isn’t it?
It connects to the story that Yolenta told about Duraka.
>>129
I think that’s probably fine.
Rafau and the country name are too noisy.
But I was involved in the original concept of Dr. Muscle Beetle… and it kind of hit me.
I have the impression that it has been divided towards the last part since the serialization.
The technique of masking what you really want to convey is a story that is quite common throughout history.
If they’re doing that in a manga or anime, it’s hard to understand right away!
As for Rafau, there’s no way dead people can come back to life, and it’s impossible for someone to look that much like him without being related, so I think it’s clear that it’s just for dramatic effect…
>>137
It’s like a chimera of Rafau, Badeni, and Okuzie, right?
Albert was Copernicus’s teacher and the person who told Copernicus, “Isn’t the heliocentric theory a bit strange?”
So there are no records of this person’s childhood, and it’s unknown.
Therefore, there is a slim possibility for the fictional character Rafał to fit in.
It seems like there have been similar directorial approaches in the past where the final scene or the last chapter is summarized independently, but maybe that’s not the case?
Because the boy Raphael chose death for the beauty of truth.
I thought that perhaps that appearance was given as a symbol of such a person.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be Rafau; it could be anyone else.
I read that it’s someone who is an advocate of the widespread pursuit of knowledge, so this time I chose Rafa for service.
The final chapter is fictional, at least to the extent of a historical drama.
>>144
I thought it was essential that Rafau, who was on the side of the oppressed, could become the oppressor if times and circumstances change.
Pursuing intellectual curiosity alone can lead to such dangers.
The part of the fictional character that was not recorded in history is country P.
The historical figure part who received Taumanzen from those guys is Poland.
I thought it was super easy to understand.
>>149
It is often observed that people consider something that can be interpreted sufficiently through the elements of a work but is not clearly explained to be poorly addressed and lacking explanation.
Because it’s a part of people who haven’t been recorded in history personally.
I interpret it as becoming P country C religion.
Alberto existed in the Kingdom of Poland, so the notation is correct.
It’s just hearsay, but I like the abstract interpretation that the final chapter isn’t about something concrete like the world changing or parallel worlds, but rather that the imaginary has crossed boundaries and reached reality, or that the story has been passed on to history.
>>151
Because I don’t feel like I can reach this conclusion on my own.
I’m glad there was someone anonymous.
I understand that it’s necessary to cool down in the epilogue because ending with Mr. Novak is a bit too high in calories.
I understand the feeling that it makes sense for Mr. Rafau to be in the final chapter.
But it’s a source of confusion, and I feel like it might not have needed to be Rafau-kun.
I thought it was really good.
When I look at some unfamiliar reviews, I wonder if it was such a difficult story.
The last four-panel comic of Look Back does something similar, right?
>>160
There were properly laid clues all over the place.
I misunderstood and thought that the hallucination of Raphael had changed to another world because he was saying things like, “what if I had a different role in a different era?”
The Pototsuki 10% meme has been passed down to future generations.
Rather than being trivial, people make mistakes like that and cause tragedy, as shown by the buildup from the first episode, which hits you hard.
On the contrary, it’s like they changed it to Poland representation instead of country P because they want to make Albert the main character in the end, right?
I loved the scene of the night sky transitioning to the dawn with the four main characters in the final episode.
It was really great that you expressed it so beautifully.
I was wondering if it’s something like the cat box from Umineko.
The part about P country is one that doesn’t exist in history, so I can draw it however I want; it’s mostly just a story.
Perhaps there really are people like this who have connected with each other, you know?
I’m really glad I was able to watch it until the end without getting spoiled about the heliocentric theory being persecuted.
It is not suitable for those who cannot be satisfied without absolute truth or absolute evil.
This is not limited to this, but I need to reflect on whether I said things like it’s sloppy, has an unexpected turn, or lost momentum because I didn’t really understand it well.
I felt like the role of a seeker of truth was given a mask of a face like Rafau.
If the world were different, Raphael would have killed people too.
>>182
I thought that, but there is also the interpretation that the world hasn’t changed.
>>178
There must be a punchline.
No matter how much persecution there is, the fact that someone might think “?” can’t be stopped.
They say it’s superfluous, but I think the story includes even Albert’s final “?” at the end.