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I’ve been watching from the beginning recently, but which work is this colony drop from?

>>29

It’s just someone who doesn’t understand simple storytelling, whether it’s anime, movies, or documentaries…

>>4

It’s the result of new inflow that the veterans have continued to hope for, right?

It seems like a judo technique, doesn’t it? The colony drop.

If it were Mr. Monkey, he would probably write about a special move called “colony drop.”

Inazuma Eleven

It looks like an image with some kind of context, but can someone explain it to me, a beginner in Gundam?

>>12

It’s quicker to watch since it’s just the first few minutes of the scene.

The original Gundam is available on various subscription services.

>>18

You’re good at emulating.

>>32

The idea that Zeon dropped colonies is a retroactive setting; there are no such depictions in the original 1st series (smugly).

Please provide the Japanese text you would like translated.

You’re dropping the colony right at the beginning, aren’t you?

Please provide the Japanese text that you would like to have translated.

…There’s no depiction of that being done by Zeon!

Isn’t it?

>>67

Wasn’t Zaku guiding in front of that one illustration…?

>>67

Please provide the text that you would like me to translate.

Yasuyuki Tokumitsu: “Huh? What? Are you talking about the Universal Century? Let me join in!”

Is it an image of X?

Huh, was it blamed on the Federation…?

>>17

The Zeonists argue that just the depiction in the first generation does not definitively prove that Zeon carried out the colony drop!

There’s no description of how the colony was planned and dropped, so all I can do is think that’s just how it is.

I mean, imagination is really amazing in so many ways.

>>28

I can’t understand visual works, is that what you call it?

The Federation’s upper echelons had detected the colony drop in advance, but they overlooked it for the sake of justification.

>>31

It looks like the upper management is shining like a prosthetic eye!!!

>>31

It’s not Pearl Harbor, you know.

Well, even living on Earth, there are people who hate the Federation and love Zeon.

When we were suffering from the colony drop, a Zeon soldier provided us with a little bit of support.

Well, there are stories that more and more children are unable to understand that Gon dies in “Gon, the Fox”…

Is it not that the evil Federation was killing Space Noids and destroying colonies, and in their momentum accidentally fell to Earth?

>>38

Many people believe in the theory that the Federation is exploiting the colonies, but what benefit does the Federation gain from destroying those colonies?

It will reduce the targets of exploitation.

It seems to be a theory that the Zeon from the colony wouldn’t drop the colony, right?

>>45

It’s really crazy that even the neutral people in the majority were killed.

The notice before the massacre indicated that if they did not comply within a few hours, they would be killed.

That’s right, that’s right, says Seema as well.

>>43

It would have been easier if I could just convince myself of that…

It’s just an after-the-fact setting, right? It’s the type you really shouldn’t deal with in first-principles thinking.

If you’re arguing about whether it’s an additional setting or not, there’s nothing you can do but ask the bald guy.

>>48

Director Tomino has been adding retrofits even in recent years…

One of the causes of the One Year War was that the patents for space technology were held back on Earth, which I can understand.

>>48

There are those who reject all inconvenient things (the direct depictions of Zeon dropping colonies in later works) as being retroactively added, right?

Given what the bald man said, there is no way to hear an answer other than “the federation dropped it.”

>>114

It’s tough that the saying from Gundam maniacs has been that the bald man is the least trustworthy since long ago.

Even the Geonist people acknowledge that Ghiren is an evil presence, and that Rar-san and other soldiers are the true Zeon army…

>>53

That’s right, Char.

The defeat of the Japanese education system.

Fundamentalists don’t call it a Zaku.

>>59

I don’t want to believe that more people are incorporating conspiracy theories into their values, but I wonder if that’s really the case…

Aren’t you mistaking it for Solar Ray?

I think the British operation is a name you come across fairly often, but I wonder how it actually is.

>>62

I think only Gundam enthusiasts would know.

I guess people like that can’t understand unless characters are constantly saying things like, “I won’t forgive the Zeon for executing a colony drop!”

>>64

Because the number of people who can’t understand has increased, Anno made it so that in the Shin series, characters talk at a level where visuals aren’t necessary…

If you want to silence someone with a response, remember that the side playing with sophistry is also interpreting based on information both inside and outside the work.

If you poke there, it’ll be over.

I’m not remembering all the lines, but isn’t there a part in the 43 episodes where they talk about the Zions dropping something?

>>66

The idea that colony drops are just a later addition because they’re happening is flawed from the start.

Even if the Federation is evil, it does not contradict that Zeon is a menace.

In the Gundam world, there are people like this even among the production staff.

>>72

It’s an illustration of a Zaku bravely trying to stop a fallen colony.

>>73

First of all, the interpretation of the conflict between the Side groups and the Federation is already outside of the main story, so it can be easily broken down.

It’s the level of understanding where you might as well have just listened to the audio without watching the video.

If you’re going to say “maybe,” then try writing it up like a virtual war chronicle, like Zikuakus.

I feel like most people who like the Universal Century are generally biased towards Zeon.

>>77

I don’t like it… because I’m an Earthling, I can’t understand the feelings of aliens.

The first generation is undoubtedly the fault of Zeon.

From Z, only the remnants of Zeon remain, and for the sake of moving the story forward, the Federation is becoming quite terrible.

Exhausted from a battle with no victor.

>>79

Is there any evidence that the subsequent Gundam works are correct?

>>97

Is this guy… invincible…?

>>79

There are people who don’t understand that just looking at the depiction of the original doesn’t convey everything!

Even if it wasn’t understood at the beginning, was it not mentioned in the story?

The adhesive here has this kind of aspect too, doesn’t it?

At first, they made a fuss out of misunderstanding, got heavily criticized, and then, unable to back down, started making deliberately foolish remarks to claim that they were actually doing it for trolling purposes from the beginning!

There’s something called the One Week War…

After that was the Rum War…

In the British operation, there was a failure to achieve the actual operational goals and immense damage to MS pilots…

I didn’t set anything up because Side 6 was truly neutral…

Other sides were probably in a state of opportunism compared to the federation, or there were cold eyes towards those who were playing at being independent by themselves.

But I can’t help but wonder how many people actually watch all the episodes in detail and verify them without any prior knowledge or preconceived notions.

Isn’t there absolutely no reason for the Federation to drop colonies on Earth in the first place?! Even someone who has only seen the first season can understand that, right?!

>>91

This guy doesn’t realize that committing a self-made colony drop provides the Federation with a justification to crush Zeon.

>>118

It’s too unreasonable!

If Zeon is not allowed, then why are Bright and Amuro hitting it off with Char? He’s part of the crew that dropped the colony, right?

>>93

I’m not sure whether to dig into the topic of Char’s Counterattack…

>>124

That’s all the more reason for Amuro Ray’s lack of discernment.

Beltorchika had seen through it.

>>93

It’s become a trend to blame the Zabi family for planning and executing the colony drop, rather than blaming Zion itself.

>>134

The Zeon remnants seriously have this mentality… They think it’s unfair that they end up in such a situation just because they were caught up with the evil Zabi family!

>>134

It’s unclear whether Zeon thinks that they’re so shady that they would deceive someone like Seema, creating inconsistencies on their part.

>>157

Well, that’s probably forced to make it rootless for three years.

If they were decent soldiers, they would surrender to the republic.

It might be possible to set up a narrative later where the Federation is also seen as bad for the colony drop…

>>99

The federal persecution is involved in the trigger for the colony drop.

However, it was only Zeon that went on a rampage from there, killing all the other colonies.

>>117

There was pressure applied against independence.

In response, it was Zeon Zum Deikun who tried to resolve it through dialogue.

It was the Zabi family who presumably assassinated that.

Colony drop from above.

>>145

This is also suspicious, isn’t it? From the perspective of the bald man, he’s just an agitator, a man who gets his ladder pulled out from under him by the Zabi family.

Play the original G Generation.

>>101

Was it Gihren or G Generation that had the scene of crushing a colony with Zaku’s nuclear bazooka?

Let’s watch at least one episode…

At first, I thought historical revisionism should be taken to a moderate extent.

It was just a madman with low comprehension running wild…

The Zaku appearing together with the colony at the beginning

Was it the appearance of trying to support the colony that the Federation dropped on Earth?

>>108

It’s his fault for being such an idiot that he can’t even see the poison gas.

I dislike that making characters incompetent to progress the story feels like something Tomino would do.

Just looking at the beginning, it was definitely Zeon that did it.

>>112

After you! After you!

It’s not a problem of comprehension; it’s that there are people who aren’t even properly looking at the screen and are consuming it at double speed, not really listening to the dialogue.

>>115

Because it’s made by a sci-fi nerd.

I’m properly looking at points like L.

>>115

I saw someone who, without knowing about Lagrange points, thought it was a Gundam term and called it an afterthought.

>>166

No way!?

I’ve only seen the 1st and Gquuuux, but did you drop the Neutral faction’s colony too?

>>116

I didn’t just drop it, I broke it.

It has become the case that humanity was halved due to this.

Episode 15 explains the positioning of each colony in relation to Earth and where they have collapsed.

Of all episodes, it’s the episode of Cucuruz Doan!

It’s a claim that someone with a debate mindset would make.

They only think about winning by words without admitting their misunderstanding.

But it seems that conspiracies like this have been increasing since around UC 110.

I guess I’m making excuses because I know that admitting it would make me look foolish.

The more you complain, the more you’re just saying you’re stupid.

>>128

The moment you introduce yourself, even if you can’t speak Japanese properly, you can still do it, and it’s a profession where you can’t make a living just doing it full-time, so that makes sense.

The combination of the content of the response battle and the jokes within the thread has resulted in something terrible.

First of all, with that theory, it would be impossible if there isn’t any hint of self-directed performance in the story!

Isn’t it non-existent!?

Well then, shall we discuss whether colony drops are really a bad thing?

>>133

If the colony drop had gone according to Zeon’s plan, the Earth’s environment would have improved, but let’s say it failed because of the Federation.

>>133

The massacre caused by the injection of toxic gas before dropping it is undeniably heinous, no matter how you look at it…

Did you drop the colony to Earth for the Space Noid massacre…?

This kind of thing makes it so that kids who seriously say “Zeon aliens” or “Zeonists” are born here…

Well, Char is just garbage…

Was it because that time and space had a perspective like that of a protagonist from Zeon?

Isn’t it silly for the Federation to drop a colony on Earth and then seem like they’re about to lose a war?

At this point, for the people involved, it’s not about “what the truth is,” but rather “how to avoid embarrassment.”

Aren’t you foolish?

(Although he doesn’t physically exist) if Char after Char’s Counterattack was trying to get along, you would think, “What’s up with this guy, is he crazy?” But Char after the One Year War is just an incredibly capable soldier, nothing more.

If you had dropped many like X in a grand way, there wouldn’t have been any disputes over interpretations.

I saw claims that a colony fell to Earth due to stray bullets during the battle, but I think there’s no way they would install a colony that close!

If you’re saying this retroactively, since they mentioned transfer accidents in 0083, it’s possible that people could imagine the colonies floating near Earth…

It might be that the colony fell on its own, I laughed.

I don’t think liking Zeon means blindly believing that Zeon is a righteous group.

I don’t understand why they want to pretend there was no sin.

>>161

If there are many, a certain number of peculiar ones will be mixed in.

>>161

The origin of the origin, when looking only at the original and Zeek Axis, makes you question if Zeon is really that bad, so the problem lies in the depiction of the original.

It’s a self-performance by the federation, isn’t it?

I dealt with it using explosives.

Is the story about targeting Jaburo and failing mentioned from the original series? Is that something that’s been added later?

It’s said that you can’t definitively say which is which just from the scenes in the work, but it’s an animated piece, not a documentary.

The principle of visual imagery is to not put anything unnecessary on the screen (only putting what is necessary on the screen).

Think about what it means for the Zaku to be near the colony.

It would be easier to understand if there were more depictions of dropping colonies with a vibe like an evil empire, hahaha.

This is how it turns out because no one mentions anything.

>>170

Well, you can tell just by watching the first episode, right!?

There’s no way we’d put a colony in a position where it could fall so easily!

I think that when you engage seriously with something like this, it can lead to discussions, so that’s a win in itself.

The Federation stole a lot of Zaku and staged it themselves, right?

I didn’t really understand the “Geldorva aiming” when firing the solar ray.

But you know… the tragedy started because the Federation imposed tyranny on the Space Noids…

It’s not like Zeon wanted to do it either…

But there’s no reason for Zeon to drop the colonies, right?

Using the land where my comrades were slaughtered as a weapon is not a sane thing to do.

>>178

It’s true.

Even if they say it’s an afterthought, I can only hope they do it in a way that prohibits discussing anything other than the original broadcast anime of the first season…

I don’t know if it exists or not.

I didn’t know that at all~~!!

Well, I understand why it feels weird to hear the narration “Humanity lost half of its population in the war and was filled with fear over its actions,” when almost all the deaths were caused by Zeon.

At first, they might have been thinking of a setting where the Federation was doing a bit more bad things, you know, at the very beginning.

“Is it the modern version of Gaia Gear that says it was Char who prevented the Axis drop?”

It’s not too strange to think that some people imagine space colonies floating at a distance similar to that of a space station…

It’s not an anime that explains things in such detail, and it seems to be made in a way that doesn’t cause much inconvenience even if you don’t know.

It’s terrifying that every time a new Gundam release becomes a hot topic, strange people who have been fermenting for decades emerge from under a rock.