However, after the revolution, even the noble spirit of the revolution gets swallowed up by bureaucracy and the masses, so the intellectuals dislike this and withdraw from society and politics to become recluses. In that case…

You say that, but what does it mean? Isn’t there no other way?

There is no revolution without radical actions, you know.

What you’re doing is a bit like mass murder…

>>3

If you don’t die here, everyone will die in the future.

Isn’t it absurd for someone without a family to worry about the future of humanity?

When an era changes, blood is always shed, and while it’s fine to criticize that, those who are making the change don’t have to listen.

Violence is a theme that is said to be unacceptable in creative works, but the actual history is shaped by violence, so it ends up being a distorted statement.

That’s why Tomino treats Amuro like a fool.

If you start saying that transformations with bloodshed are not acceptable, it would be a complete denial of human history.

If someone is going to die, saying “stop it” even if there are no other options is quite a funny story.

I think they’re just saying it randomly to distract Char.

Sometimes when you try to express what you’ve been vaguely thinking about on a daily basis, especially under the influence of a drink, it doesn’t come out coherently.

In “Giren’s Ambition,” there is also a route to become a politician.

It’s completely ridiculous for someone wielding a violent instrument to say something like “Let’s all just get along somehow.”

It is also a fundamental strategy of response battles to not express one’s own opinions and only deny what the other person says.

Amuro doesn’t have any solutions in the end for what he should do.

All they do is spout idealistic notions that violence is not good.

Just a daydreamer.

Well, it’s fundamentally impossible to have a revolution without violence, but the Axis drop has too many casualties, so it’s hard to say anything.

>>21

First of all, there are many people who do not properly consider that this sacrifice is too great.

In the first place, if it doesn’t become an uninhabitable place, no idea of humanity can be replaced.

But someone who has only lived happily won’t start a revolution.

In other words, it’s because they are on the exploiting side.

It feels impossible to build a foundation; it seems like it would break the moment I try to do so…

>>24

The result of not imitating in haste is the true history, so Char was just facing reality.

Unlike Char and Kamille, Amuro is a character where the director’s manipulation can’t be seen as much.

It’s hard to grasp what kind of character it is when viewed from a bird’s-eye perspective.

If you have never liked someone, the option of dropping a meteorite might also come up.

Given the flow from here on, this was the only place to really make a change.

You’re the one who’s wrong about Amuro’s point that you’re rushing too much.

It’s just a matter of hindsight, though.

If Char were to become a politician in the Federation… it’s possible, but he’s too young for that.

>>29

It’s already proven by Houzeri that such things can’t change anything in the first place.

>>29

I’m not that smart either.

>>30

I think that when civilization was buried, the level of people dying was unmatched compared to Axis.

>>30

It wasn’t successful, so it was buried…

I feel like I want to see the route where the Axis drop was successful as well.

Using that, the new work will end up becoming a setting that is ultimately hopeless, filled with corruption, bribery, and backstabbing…

>>33

It is often misunderstood, but Char doesn’t drop Axis to create a pure and peaceful world; he does it to eliminate the various troubles that people on Earth face.

The criticism that dropping Axis will just start another war is off the mark.

Char’s method is simply wrong, but from Amuro’s perspective, it feels like too much of a sacrifice, doesn’t it?

Even when buried by the moonlight butterfly, a considerable number of humans had already gone into outer space, so it’s just those who remained on Earth who messed up, right?

>>39

Only a handful have ventured into outer space, and it seems that those who did ended up at war, so they aren’t exactly winners either.

Even if I think about humanity’s future on my own, in the end I can’t handle it, and it ends up being “It’s all your fault, Amuro, you idiot! Give me back Lalah!” So, teamwork is really necessary.

For Tomino, it probably feels like both are extremes, being too hasty and too leisurely.

Violence isn’t the issue; the point is that even if you have a revolution, the power structure ultimately doesn’t change.

Char argued that he only wants to revolutionize, regardless of the outcome.

If you want to ensure the success of the revolution, you should have brought Amuro into your group or something like that.

As a result of choosing a route that balances the desire to confront Amuro directly and settle things, it turned into quite a situation.

To be blunt, this line is indirectly referring to Char, who individually left AEUG, right?

There are sometimes people who say that since Turn A leads to G-Reco, we could have had peace without dropping Axis.

I think it’s either that the perspective is not human, or that they don’t fully understand those two things.

Ah, the true meaning of “I’m not thinking about fixing the world!” combined with the subsequent flow seems to be that “the true intent is to drive humanity off the Earth and not that I desire a reform of the social structure.”

>>47

That’s a whole other story, but why are you doing something like this?! It really makes you wonder if Char is a bit strange.

>>48

Isn’t it true that the Earth’s environment is the real issue?

The one who made fun of Char is now making fun of Amuro, huh?

Even if you’re told to stop since you can’t clean up afterwards, the goal is to make a mess anyway.

>>50

What a nuisance…

I thought that the conversation happening during the process of luring someone in with bare flesh, trapping them, and seeing through it was just a way to throw smoke, buy time, or randomly say things to grab attention.

When I first saw it, I thought that if Char’s response that he wasn’t thinking about things like fixing the world was really true, he wouldn’t have gone this far.

Well, you should understand why I’m doing this.

The various conflicts are happening because the Federation continues to remain on Earth.

After this, the Jupiter Empire will come.

>>58

What don’t you understand?

Do you understand that because there are people on Earth, conflicts arise over that?

>>62

There’s probably no one who wants Earth other than the Federation living in the organizations of the Universal Century.

Aside from the Federation, everyone else aims to kill humans, including those on Earth.

>>74

The reason why those with such goals are emerging is probably because there are people who, despite having the resources to live in space, continue to live on Earth.

Aren’t you just stating the conclusion yourself?

>>83

It’s because those who live on Earth have a sense of privilege that allows them to meddle in the universe.

>>87

In the era of Char’s Counterattack, that level can be ignored, right?

In reality, Char is completely ignoring everything and dropping meteorites left and right.

>>94

Char is…

Ordinary people can’t be ignored.

>>86

Because incorporating the Earth into the structure of human conflict gradually destroys the Earth.

Actually, after this, there were some who wanted to strip the Earth bare with nuclear weapons.

In short, it’s just saying to take responsibility until the end, right?

>>53

That’s something Amuro, who has zero intention of taking responsibility, would say.

>>53

If you pursue a way to take responsibility, the only option is to spend time with others, but I don’t want that…!!

The Moonlight Butterfly is exactly undergoing an even more radical reset.

There are people who criticize Char without realizing that Amuro also agrees with the part about needing to expel people from Earth.

It’s because of those who are always holed up on Earth that nothing changes! That’s why we have no choice but to destroy the Earth! That’s the kind of desperate attitude we’re facing.

Well, the reasoning might be sound, but that’s still not good.

That aside, dropping Axis is an extreme opinion beyond extremes.

>>61

So what are we going to do? Right now, I answered that there’s no plan, and that’s Amuro.

One of the core principles of Zionism is that humanity must leave Earth, so the question is whether or not we can resonate with this.

You say you haven’t despaired of humanity as much as I have, but is that really true?

>>66

If I had been making kids, this statement would have had some degree of persuasiveness.

>>66

It’s not to the extent of resorting to mass murder, at least.

>>66

I think there are differences in our positions here.

In Dakar, I witnessed an incredibly frustrating show right in front of me, along with Char and Amuro, who was piloting an MS.

The federation that offered a sacrifice in Dublin, and Amuro who wasn’t present there.

It’s not good if there are people on Earth, and we’ve talked about that during Z, so even if you say you don’t understand, it’s understandable.

>>67

The argument is consistent, but whether that means it can be understood is a different story.

However, the lawmakers were listening, and in the federal assembly, there might be some sympathy for that assertion…

>>80

There’s nothing to say to someone who can only say they don’t understand, even when logic is being explained to them.

If you say you don’t wish for peace or social reform, but just want to expel humanity from Earth, then the Axis Drop would truly be the ultimate form of symptomatic treatment.

At the very least, you’ll properly guide us through the chaos that follows the downfall as a leader of humanity, right?

Just because we leave Earth doesn’t mean we won’t have wars…

>>71

So I haven’t said anything about doing it to end the war.

It’s not something that solves the dissatisfaction of people living in space, and when it comes to being for the sake of the Earth environment, you have to wonder if there is any evidence for that. If conflicts are caused by those living on Earth, then using meteor strikes is not an appropriate means, as it would just lead to chaotic outcomes.

Even if we become moonlight butterflies, humanity still lives on Earth.

It means that it’s still not enough to take all of humanity into space.

If you were told to impart the wisdom of all humanity right now and can’t do it, it’s evident that Char knows this, yet Amuro, who is aware of it, can only say that he will do what he must first before that can happen, highlighting the sadness of Amuro’s position and his virtue.

It clearly says, “Withdraw from society and become a hermit! That’s what you are!”

>>77

Not every actual revolutionary becomes a recluse, and well, it’s really about Char as an individual.

For Char, it feels like Amuro demands too much while doing nothing in return.

The last Lalah is often spoken of only in terms of lingering feelings for Lalah, but…

In terms of the flow of dialogue, it’s a question of why you didn’t become the father that Quess was looking for, and in response, you, who took away Lalah from me when I was seeking a mother, say that?

It feels like a backlash against the demand for me to take on all the roles.

If you mix reality and the Universal Century together, I think you can’t help but stop thinking halfway through both Char’s Counterattack and Hathaway’s Flash, and won’t be able to enjoy them even halfway.

Although the director agrees that the matter regarding the child has been dropped,

The backbone that would serve as a substitute is not particularly reinforced, which makes Amuro from Char’s Counterattack look somewhat fluffy.

Will humanity improve once we leave Earth?

>>89

First, let’s leave because Earth has its limits.

The original purpose of the Earth Federation is to raise all of humanity into space.

Space immigration, which began from a sense of crisis regarding the Earth’s environment, came to a halt once the Earth’s environment had partially recovered.

>>90

And what was left were only the rich.

It all started from the resentment of being treated like the forgotten people.

In the first place, it was the federal government that initially promoted space immigration.

It’s not strange that there are politicians who agree with Char’s speech in Dakar, is it?

I don’t think the director thinks that far ahead.

I understand that Char is starting a half-hearted revolution just because he wants to settle things with Amuro, so he should stop this foolishness.

I don’t have any noble ideals, but there’s someone in front of me who is provoking a fight for even more trivial reasons.

>>95

If you ignore the director’s intentions, anyone can say whatever they want.

>>97

I believe it’s mentioned in the work that they should take a little break…

>>110

The Earth is not the kind of place that would be ruined by a few hundred years of human habitation, right?

>>110

It is important for that person to reach a level where they cannot live.

>>118

I think that’s a crazy idea that only a chunk of rock like Earth is important.

>>135

That response doesn’t mean that, and having such a strong personal bias makes it impossible to have a conversation.

>>110

A thousand years is just a short time for Earth.

>>106

I wonder if it will be just a little…

>>106

I don’t understand the reasoning behind this at all.

Carozzo and Kagachi are more logical.

>>116

If humans can no longer live for hundreds of years, is it really such a difficult question that people won’t be tied to the Earth anymore?

The Earth Federation believes that in principle everyone should go into space; it’s just that the privileged class is the only one using the exemption.

Char, prioritizing a sense of crisis over demonstrating evidence or broadening understanding, is unable to present like Frontar using psycho-image visuals.

>>99

Now that you mention it, Frontal was quite serious about the presentation…

Even if you try to be a proper politician and push for reforms in Flash Hasa, you’re hinted that you’ll end up assassinated.

It’s sad that the moderate route is almost completely blocked.

I’m not thinking about saving the world; honestly, it’s not good to indirectly reveal that I’m planning to disappear again after dropping Axis.

>>105

Given the scale of the troops, it is impossible to survive and retreat after being captured in the first place.

>>105

Once someone becomes the top, control will begin, and it will probably turn into something like a federation again…

Which is better, the era of the space wars or this?

It’s humanity’s fault for not leaving Earth unless they do something foolish.

They were originally almost forcibly made into space immigrants, so they probably have some sense of belonging, even if it’s not much.

There’s a trend suggesting that if we become a generation of formula (or formulaic), it might not matter if we aren’t attached to the Earth, right?

When it comes to the root of it, it is the Side Space people who harbor resentment.

I don’t care about the opinions of slaves, but the federation has been at a standstill.

>>109

And the ones suffering the most are the Earth citizens who are not part of the privileged class.

“I understand how you feel, but going to such extremes is a no-go.”

I guess that’s the kind of feeling the old man has towards the enemies around Gundam: Char’s Counterattack and Hathaway.

“I totally understand how you feel! If it were me, I would do this! …Well, I shouldn’t, though.”

Oshii

The impact of dropping Axis should recover in a few hundred years.

It’s better than the time when I was completely bald due to environmental pollution, or when Divinidad fell.

How long does it take to rest? Hibernation requires nutrition, you know.

From the perspective of 4.6 billion years, a few hundred years is just a little.

In Earth’s history, ice ages triggered by meteorite impacts have occurred multiple times, so it’s not a big deal if one more is added.

While people are fine, it’s really a disaster for other animals and plants, isn’t it?

>>125

Isn’t it better than humans continuing to lazily pollute?

>>125

It’s not like past massive meteorites caused extinction, so isn’t it better than the increasing number of species on the Red List under federal governance?

>>132

The text is not coherent and appears to have some errors. A possible translation could be: “In the Mafty declaration, it touches on something.”

Even though immigration has started, the red list has increased rapidly.

The answer to this is ZZ where Haman is saying it.

>>156

It didn’t become 100% on the red list.

If it were done by human hands, it’s 100% possible to end up on the red list, right?

>>125

From the perspective of other living beings, just the presence of humans is enough to cause destruction.

Isn’t there a lot of people who didn’t learn that the Ice Age ended and the era of mammals began?

If it’s safe because the environment will eventually recover even if humans can’t live in it, shouldn’t we pollute the environment as much as we like?

Anyway, it will eventually recover.

>>128

The environmental pollution that was pointed out when it was Z is desertification, so if this spreads, it won’t recover.

It’s an extreme example, but the depiction of Chronocler wearing a mask because “Earth’s air stinks!” is one of the representations of Space Noids’ changing attitude toward Earth.

>>130

I want to go back to Side 3 where there are no bugs, so I’m saying time, stop right there; nothing has changed around here.

>>130

At the time of the One Year War, there are Zeon soldiers who want to return to colonies without bugs… and since it’s been 79 years at that point, it wouldn’t be surprising if there had been a change in consciousness long ago…

Perhaps the idea that it would have been better if Zeon won, and that Earth is no longer needed… could be what Giegacks is about.

It seems that Mafty is thinking about things a thousand years ahead… ?

At the point where you say something like “a few hundred years” despite the lines that come after, you should probably be embarrassed about how small-minded your thinking is.

After Char dropped Axis, if he remained and joined the Federation, he would just be swallowed up by the organization, and if he continued as the supreme commander, he would eventually meet the same fate as the Daikun and Zabi families.

By the way, Space Noids’ legislators also use their privileges to go play on Earth.

Even if one is born in space, seeing Earth right in front of them might make them long for it.

Even if it’s said by Amuro, who is specialized in killing, it doesn’t mean much.

Isn’t it a ridiculous argument to say that humans can continue living completely polluted and then leave, and it will eventually recover?

>>140

The federal system actually fled to the moon because it could no longer withstand contamination halfway through, so it somewhat recovered.

If pollution continues to increase the red list and expand desertification, it won’t recover, will it?

>>140

If you start wondering when the perfect timing is, you’ll begin to dawdle.

The policy is to tell them to leave because Axis has fallen and is now completely contaminated.

>>141

I really understand why it didn’t receive good reviews at the time of its theatrical release.

>>141

That’s true.

It’s definitely better to have everyone leave together than to be ruined by indulging in privileges.

Belchiru complains to Nanai that the leadership of Neo Zeon is just like the scum of the Federation.

Char shows glimpses of fundamental distrust in humanity.

>>147

It’s quite something that you, who betrayed your best friend for your parents and suddenly vanished from the organization, say that.

If we think about the Earth, doesn’t it lead to the conclusion that humanity is a bane and we should extinguish humanity?

>>149

I am troubled whether to interpret it as a proper setting or as a concept that humanity in the Universal Century is an explosively increasing species.

>>149

There is a person named East Phantom who was defeated in an argument by Domon on that topic in G Gundam…

>>162

I defeated the argument, but I haven’t solved the issue.

>>149

Kagachi: “I will bet on eradicating Earth’s organisms so that the Earth can create new life.”

It’s a violent argument, or rather just violence.

>>152

Revolutions are always accomplished through violence.

There is no social change that is not like that.

In a place where the surface has completely turned to desert, it will recover in a period that is “not a big deal for the Earth” anyway.

>>153

If it becomes completely desertified, it won’t recover.

There’s no water either, huh?

The Federation’s method is to contaminate the valuable nature of Jaburo in Guyana with nuclear bombs.

>>154

The way you’re saying it makes it sound like Char’s method will cause climate change and pollution by dropping meteors on our precious Earth.

>>154

The Zeon blew away 16% of Australia’s land with colony drops, raising the sea level by several meters…

Desertification does not recover, but the damage from weather changes during a nuclear winter can be recovered, how does that work?

Is desertification solved by dropping the axis?

After all, it’s just an armchair theory thought up by the Zeon aliens.

>>158

The problem is that global warming has been solved by dropping Fifth Luna…

>>158

Since it is the result of the federal activities, there is no reason for it to stop if people disappear from Earth.

It’s like the vibe that since it’s impossible to enlighten humanity, we have no choice but to push them into an irreversible situation.

The fact that there are privileged classes that are voraciously consuming the Earth everywhere makes it impossible to address the situation, so there’s a significant aspect of wanting to solve this by turning the entire planet into an uninhabitable star.

In the Gundam world, there must be fanfiction where the Axis drop succeeds.

With the double punch of radiation contamination and climate change, there’s no way the environment can rest, enough is enough.

Well, young space dwellers at the time of the One Year War didn’t know about Earth’s environment…

It’s a story that some elderly people remember just a little bit, right?

>>176

Fool

If the Federation had successfully completed space colonization as originally intended, everyone wouldn’t have had to fight these pointless wars.

Amuro, who is acting as a vanguard for the regime while setting aside the federal’s negligence, is a bit petty.

It’s one thing to just drop a meteorite, but since they were also planning to simultaneously detonate nuclear bombs, the concern for the environment is just a bluff, right?

The federal space colonists are also doing their part to restore the Earth’s environment.

Although things have settled down, the complete immigration plan has been canceled…

What Char wanted to achieve was accomplished by ∀…

The mention of the natural environment wasn’t something Char suddenly brought up; it was also a part of the ideology of Zionicism that Dykun advocated.

From Char’s perspective, there is also the desire to inherit his father’s ideals.